No-one Likes Brexit Anymore: What Happens Next?
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Despite the referendum result being in favour or leaving the EU, polling now shows a majority of people regret that decision. Why has this shift happened and could it lead to the UK rejoining the EU?
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Thats why MAJOR decisions should require a supermajority rather than a simple majority.
Simple Majority: Which pub or restaurant we want to go for our department Christmas party
Supermajority: Stuff that alters the daily lives of several million people.
Simple right?
Ah, just like the super majority we had to be members of the EU...oh yes that is correct, there was no ref for the EU. The EEC is a completely different beast.
@@colmcorbec7031 supermajority?? thats bullshit! when we first joined up it was under false pretenses that it would be a simple trading block then they started interfering with our laws and rights.. if they had have been honest in the 70s about what it was going to entail do you think we would have even joined at all?
I completely disagree. Why should the minority have the say on major decisions? Britain would never have gotten into the EU if that were the case. It's just the sort of technical decision that should be left to representatives. Making these decisions is a full-time job, the average person isn't informed enough to do, and that's why we elect someone to do them.
@@dr.victorvs not a UK citizen but by using a simple majority to vote on important stuff, that results in a frustrated sizeable minority when the vote doesn't go their way. That's my opinion
Multiple EU MPs publicly stated that UK would need to show strong consistent support for EU rejoining, but with the public and across all major parties. Reason being they don’t want a revolving door situation depending on who’s in power in the UK. That means it’ll be a very long time before the UK intention to rejoin is even taken seriously.
We don’t want to rejoin the EU. And remoaners trying to hide behind a Tory-corporate caused cost of living crisis is repugnant and damaging to Tory critics.
Especially when a good deal of you are out and out neoliberals and Tories anyway. This is the politics you wanted…privatisation, finacialisation and racialism.
@@maxpowerii7368 calm yourself down there Max, I’m far from a Tory and wouldn’t trust them to mind a field for fear they’d lose it somehow. I was just stating what MPs in the EU have said and tbh I agree with their sentiments as with all the bad faith and breaking of deals by the UK, the EU certainly is right to want to avoid further drama of a undecided UK trying to rejoin. I don’t see the UK rejoining being seriously discussed by political parties for at least 10 years or if the economy tanks even further, whichever comes first. But unlike the decision to leave the decision to rejoin is not going to be solely a UK decision.
I wonder whether you think it's likely rejoin will become more or less popular as time goes on.
I mean besides "hey look EU actually works, it's nice" moments by all reason there will be more of "look it's been X years of separation and we aren't dead yet, we're doing fine, we didn't need EU". The unnecessary Brexit incurred economic damage eventually fades out and becomes a thing of the past, and while you might not have any real Brexit benefits to speak of, your economic recovery trajectory will vaguely look like a success story, fueling pro Brexit sentiment...
If the UK ever joins they will have no exceptions like before. I don't think other members will allow it.
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever rejoin the EU. The best we'll get is soft Brexit, which itself is unlikely.
Didn't the people who voted for it expect the consequences? For example I'm fom Greece and I used to buy dozens of books from the UK yearly but now I switched to German merchants. The additional tax and customs ain't worth it.
If you are from Greece then you know what the EU is and does. Why should anyone want to rejoin the EU?
@@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc Why shouldn't they?
The EU grants benefits to its members (facilitated travel of people, money and goods as OP described), diverting funds to economically weak regions in member-states, guaranteeing certain standards (regarding workers rights, environment, politics and economy).
Of course not everyhing is perfect on which we need to work on, but seeing how the UK's economy suffered after leaving the EU (and also partially *because* of leaving th EU), staying/joining is the right choice.
Course not. They only voted out to get rid of the immigrants because they’re racists. They deserve what’s coming to them.
😂 so funny
@@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc What does it matter about them being greek have to do with it? Isn't the EU giving them financial aid due to their economic issues?
The UK can apply for membership at any point in time, under the same conditions as any other prospective member: commitment to join the Schengen area and the Eurozone, and of course no more Thatcher discount on contributions.
The Eurozone is optional for every country who wants to join. As you said, they'd start from scratch, so they would still have that option. I think they'd need to show serious commitment, but I don't think keeping the Pound would be an issue.
Do not hold your breath.
@@germangarcia6118 The UK is out, they better get used to it as the UK isn't getting back in.
@@germangarcia6118 the eurozone is absolutely not optional
@@germangarcia6118 it isn't darling.
This is exactly why big decisions such as leaving/joining a union, secession of a region and gaining independence, changing the form of the government or change between unitary and federal should be decided with a two-third majority instead of the simple 50%+1 majority.
(I'm not British and I don't care about Brexit, this is an issue I have with all aforementioned referendums)
Absochuffinlutely. I've been saying this ever since this disastrous decision. Total madness to conduct such a vote in the way that it was. You need consensus to carry the nation with you, otherwise all you're left with is polarisation and division for decades to come. The means by which our country comes to be led by such as those that put this in place also needs serious examination.
@@sheadford sore loser's that's all it is
I bet if Remain won 52 to 48 you wouldn't be saying the same thing
Biggest mistake of David cameron
Or better yet, not left to the people at all. If we elect leaders based on our faith in their ability to make decisions that we aren't qualified to make, then why, in any universe, should we expect to have those decision foisted back onto us? And if the leaders can't make those decisions, then we need to elect new leaders. The whole referendum should never have happened. It was an exercise in sheer lunacy from the start.
Disagree completely. Problem is with most remain voters (bearing in mind I voted remain myself) we say with the vote that close but not turning out in our favour we now want to change things after that vote happened to prevent it from happening in the future. However, if we would have won we then wouldn’t be pushing for that change on behalf of the people who voted leave and more than likely would have a big % of them saying the same thing. Drives me insane when people say this as you all moan about politicians and here you are trying to change the rules to make the system work in your favour. In a 2 way vote, one side shouldn’t have to work harder to achieve a result the other has had made easier for them to win. How any person who voted remain and lost alongside me thinks this is a justified argument baffles me.
"In 2068, the UK was allowed to re-join the EU on condition that they change its name to Very Sorry Land." - Ed Byrne, Mock The Week, Scenes We'd Like to See: Unlikely things to hear on a history documentary.
more like Very Stupid Land
My man cited his sources.
That’s why they just cancelled that show.
The stopped mock the week because it was full of left wing idiots
The people don't want to join European Union
Leaving the EU is like playing world of Catan against three players who play together and expect them to give you everything while they don't need to trade with you to build their empire, but all you have to offer is stone which they already have................
The U.K. merely became a normal independent trading nation again 🤷🏻♂️
@@newblackdog7827a handicapped* trading nation you mean.
@@eveningstar7812
And how exactly are you working that one out? Heads up; when we were a member of the EU, it pretty much bought f*ck all from the U.K. We had an annual trade deficit in goods of €90bn per annum.
@@newblackdog7827 Clearly you are wrong because leaving the EU has tanked our economy
@@eveningstar7812
Has it bollocks! EVERY Western economy is in the same position dealing with the outfall of COVID & war in Ukraine.
Don’t believe me? Inflation rates Nov 22:
U.K. 10.2%
Germany 11.3%
Italy 12.6%
Poland 16.1%
Hungry 23.1%
EU Average: 11.1%
The United Kingdom is like that one friend that shittalks you until they need your help.
Not a friend
More of like the UK is that one kid who was the tallest kid in 5th grade but stopped growing shortly afterwards. The UK is a failed rump state of the former British Empire that sold away its future in WW2. It deserves to be ultimately a satrapy of either the United States or Germany.
It's amusing how some speak of UK rejoining like they could do it at any moment and the EU would unconditionally reaccept them. It doesn't work this way.
We dont want to rejoin.
@@tendrosstoodross2976 Don't speak for the other half that wants to rejoin.
@@israeldepedro7522 You say half?
Why would the EU admit a country where half of the population are fundamentally opposed to your whole concept?
Remoaners need to understand this.
The UK isnt rejoining and thats all there is to it.
@@israeldepedro7522 A growing number of Brits aren't even considering themselves Europeans lool
@@tendrosstoodross2976 Why? For the same reason Brexit started: you guys made a referendum and the Leave option won. In the future you might decide to make another one and the Rejoin option might win. If the results from the first referendum were accepted, the results for a second one would also be accepted.
Another different issue is whether the UK would meet the requirements to start a rejoining process, which is a clear no. Hence my post here.
The UK should just show up at the European parliament and pretend they never quit. Act as if nothing happened, like that episode of Seinfeld.
😄
Brilliant😍🤣
I would pay real money to see that episode.
I don't think UK should be allowed to rejoin. UK is basically US Trojan horse. Allowing UK back into EUbwill mean the EU will always be fucked by America.
Didn't you quit?
It's time to sit down and talk about re-joining.
Waste of time. England nailed G.B.'s colors to the masthead.
not going to happen
thing is its so frustrating living with the consequences, without being able to vote in 2016.
my prediction: climate change won't be add that different.
It's frustrating for those of us who wanted to remain in the EU as well, Joe...
You can't even vote the Prime Minister. That is still done for you by a select elite of Lords. You have no say in it. They want you to believe this is a democratic process. Sunak belongs to a family of tycoons from India who have always despised every country they have lived in. Now in a mere 7 years he ascended the summit and became Prime Minister of the UK. As soon as they were allowed into the country the Indians became your landlords and you must eat at their restaurant. The Anglo-Saxons, founders of England, are fast becoming a minority.
I'm 100% sympathetic. I was a few months too young to vote when the Tory coalition was first elected in 2010.
I got to vote and still living with the consequences is frustrating - felt like half the people in the Uk where just stupid or racist
They could... in theory. Problem is, the that while the EU publicly stated that this is possible, they also added, that they expect a broad public and political support in Britain for this. They will also not allow the UK back in under the old terms.
@Dan Beech Brace yourself for brexit supporters mate
So all this shit and it all ending with the uk to be in an worse position in the EU then when they started. That's fucking comedy.
@@snowthelegowolf4230 it's what they deserve
@@marcosmencaramartin4061
I know you might feel mad (and trust me, I do too), but even outside the EU, the UK has a big influence worldwide. their economy underperforming is bad for all of us
@@snowthelegowolf4230 and it was you, people of UK, that believed your former former PM Boris. Which anyone with a brain would have seen what he goes for.
So yes, it is a fucking comedy, with your former former PM Boris being the clown.
If you are to enter again, expect to get no special privileges like before. You will have to meet the criteria that all the other new countries have to meet, like joining the euro, Schengen area etc. The UK had a very special position before due to being such an early member, that's all lost now.
LOL Who gives a fig?
What "privileges" did we have? Large net-contributions in return for constant contempt?
You are not educated enough to know we guess.
Woooow I hope we rejoin you friendly lot again....... not!
Sounds very inviting 😊
For now, it seems, from a "continental" point of view, that many recent EU evolutions would have been more difficult with the UK in: common debt, European post-Covid recovery plan, discussion on the strategic autonomy (even if nobody agrees on what it could be at the end)... UK was blocking major evolutions to keep the EU as a pure common market (it was their view of what should be the European Union, which deserves respect) while the tendency is toward a more unified political structure. We will see how things are evolving (maybe it won't be good at the end, maybe it will), but the UK will not have its word on it anymore. The question will be: would the UK really want to rejoin the EU, not as it is today, but as it will be in 10, 20 or 30 years (I cannot imagine an earlier return)?
This.
This is EXACTLY the reason I voted Leave.
As far as I'm concerned, the EU is an abomination that wants nothing more than to erase national sovereignty and national identity, and I want no part of it. It was never meant to be anything more than a common market, and I will never vote to rejoin any part of it other than the common market (and even then, not with the restrictions and regulations Brussels imposes. British farmers being unable to sell their carrots IN BRITAIN because they're "too wonky" and not up to EU regulatory standards is ridiculous).
@@reecelongden3500 Ok, good for you as long as it is what the British people wants. About the "wonky" carrot, it is just a scarescrow: this kind of rules were existing before the common market, but with different rules for each countries. The EEC has just unified the rules.
Exactly... The UK had a very difficult time being in the EU as it was in 2016, the EU of the future may be even more integrated and the UK would have no appetite to join such a Union. Maybe an EEA style agreement at the most, and even that is not wanted by any political party in the UK besides de SNP.
I would. I had always hoped that the EU would become more than a Common Market.
@@jeffg3221 Yes, by blanket applying the harshest version of each regulation extant at the time. It should be, and now is, up to the British legislature to determine what is suitable for British farmers to sell within Britain, not some blanket regulation applied by unelected foreign officials.
I'd argue UK was never a full member of the EU club. We never accepted the Euro and I expect if there was a second time round for Britain joining, the EU would want us fully integrated into the EU concept no opt-outs.
Arguably they may get rid of our right to enact article 50 if we did rejoin so if uk was to rejoin, Britain become the only member what can’t leave
I think you are right about that...
De Gaulle said "non" to UK as he knew the British well. And De Gaulle was an anti-federalist, wanting cooperation between sovereign nayional states only.
I'd argue that the UK was never democratically asked to be an EU member state. Its quite clear the UK population would probably have said no.
Globalist and bilerberg conspirators have been working against the will of the British people for generations.
If your going to have globalism and one world government. It's pretty clear you can't do that democratically.
Globalists attack nationalism.
Treat patriotic people as an enemy to be reviled.
Don't mind you keeping the pound. BUT you wouldn't get all the benefits, like lower fees that others didn't got. And we probably want some commitment from several MP before we know it is sincere, and that it wouldn't be like others would try the same.
We don't want to have swing doors in and out of EU. Just sign up last in the queue, after Ukraine and Turkey.
If anyone wants a deeper dive into this, the Financial Times published an excellent video two weeks ago about the effects of Brexit. It's half an hour long and not behind any paywalls, I highly recommend it.
EDIT: people keep asking for links, but UA-cam doesn't like those in comments. It is here on UA-cam, if you just type 'financial times brexit' into the search bar, it should be one of the first hits.
Can u link it?
Yeah dude, lemme see that link
It's a great video, definitely worth checking out!
Second this, great video. I hate our country. (:
Is my link shadowbanned? I can’t tell. I linked the video.
You might consider the development of the EU, since Brexit, as part of the consideration to join, which you haven’t mentioned at all in this video. More countries have joined Schengen and Euro in the meantime. There are further developments in joint budget agreements (also the recent EU decision to intervene in energy markets). You would be signing up to a much more integrated and more proactive EU, while your country’s awareness of the EU is still at a 1978 level…
And in the meantime they decide to rejoin, we would have developed even more, the gap between EU and UK will be unimaginable to fill for the latter.
In the thumbnail it says "Could Britain Rejoin Europe". Britain is and will aleays be a part of Europe, the continent. With brexit, the UK left the EU, short for The European Union. The EU and Europe is NOT the same thing!
Dunno about that. I'm English and I've never felt particularly "European".
What does it even mean to be "European" anyway? Is there a "European identity"? If so, I certainly couldn't define it.
I'm sure Brussels could, but then again that seems to be their whole agenda. To create a European identity so they can erase national identities.
More relevant question would be: does the EU have an interest in the UK rejoining? will they vote for it? And if so, at what conditions? I would argue none of these have such simple answers as UK media seem to think.
Of course the EU would let the UK rejoin. The UK was one of the few net contributors of £££ billions to the EU fund.
@@DW-dd4iw and a very stable political system
@@DW-dd4iw as for the communal EU budget, yes. But the EU is made of separate state entities, several of which (Germany, Netherlands, France, Ireland) are individually benefitting from siphoning industry and services from the UK. So they are likely to NOT want the UK to rejoin.
People have a very deluded sense of the UK's position. We are not some weak crumbling nation like the remainers have made us out to be. Crazy how people will try to convince everyone their country is weak just to fuel their ego and claim they were right all along
@@allisonsteenson3035 They probably simply shifted Britain-bound products to other countries. You're right that they're getting more contracts, though, but having a stronger EU and Euro evens out.
Even in old school RuneScape only recently have they lowered the pass parameters for a content poll from 75% majority to 70%. They take their content updates more serious than IRL voting…
Interestingly, if the vote had been binding (which, though everyone seemed to insist it was, it was explicitly agreed and stated by every party beforehand that it wasn't) it would have required a two thirds majority to come into force. I.e. The U.K. public never voted to leave the E.U.
So the theoretical IRL standards aren't far off the Runescape system you describe, but in practice politics is too messy to make lawyers happy.
@UCC9-k4fLJTVDp7uHygign1g You are making a long-standing change to all the people of the country, and many (if not all) that will come, so you need to know the country actually mostly want that change, small short-lived fluctuations in public opinion should not override the lives of everyone who shortly again change their opinion to against, or the near half that don't want it to happen to them.
Even if you disagree with the above, which is fair enough, the vote didn't ever achieve a majority.
The turnout was about three quarters, so just over half of that is less than half of voters.
Unless you make voting a legal requirement (which isn't necersarily a bad idea) you have to account for a significant portion of the population being on the side of "meh". Anyone who doesn't vote isn't for the proposed change, if a majority aren't for the change, how can you justify forcing it on everyone as "democracy".
You may not like supermajorities in theory, that's reasonable, but you cannot well execute democracy without them.
I don't think we should be relying on polls for government policy, the first brexit vote proved that
Because Jagex actually cares about the players.
The government they live under on the other hand...
@@CoffeeSuccubus Gilenexit would never pass
I had two very similar job opportunities last year, one in Netherlands and slightly highly payed in the UK. I speak English as a second language and not a word in Dutch. I chose Netherlands. I'm Bulgarian and for me UK is gone even as tourist destination, although I'll miss London for sure. I love this city!
May i wonder, do they help you to learn their language? Or you have to do that all by yourself?
@@drcatsville4467 he speaks english, almost everyone does in the netherlands, he wont have problems at all.
Same, same. The idea of the UK outside of the EU is absolutely ridiculous. What did they think? People are so eager to travel to the UK with visa? Or moving there for work when you could work within the EU completely free? The overestimate their position even more than the US-Americans
@@drcatsville4467 The Netherlands is the best country in the world with speaking English as a 2nd language. I find myself poppin in and out of English conversation whenever an expat is near. He will indeed not have problems here.
@@tobistone3188 how do US-Americans overestimate their position?
Brexit will not be undone anytime soon. Only if there is a clear change in the political landscape in the UK (highly unlikely) this could be in the agenda. By the time that happens, the EU could have moved forward and UK may not be interested in joining... In addition the status the UK had (a rebate in the UK contributions to the budget and other opt-outs) would be out of the question a second time around. I absolutely see no possibility of the UK ever accepting to be "just another" member of the EU, without special provisions. Maybe as if ever Scotland gains independence...
UK asking to rejoin EU would be like an ex-boyfriend trying to reconnect with the girl he dumped because he was never satisfied and thought he could do better only to find his life in shambles afterwards while the girlfriend just moved on. Why would she want him back? Especially when he was so demanding and unreliable in the relationship to begin with?
That happened to me once 🤢 I dumped a very nice girl, for a hottie I found out had a lotta issues, we soon broke up, I tried to crawl back to my X, but she had moved on...Served me right, I lost a good thing...Sounds like the British 😨
I’d much rather have the British in than Poland or Hungary, that constantly block European integration and see the EU merely as a money printer that can be exploited by them, while actively undermining democratic values.
Personally I have no hard feelings about Brexit, I just think it was a mistake since the UK could be a serious member of the European family.
@@mate5791 the uk also usex to lock anything todo with further intergration
More like leaving a 40 year marriage, assuming you'd be a hit with loads of hot young chicks and finding they weren't interested in you - and then asking your ex wife to have you back!
Not a bad analogy although I would say that hypothetical dumped girlfriend was dishonest, domineering and abusive. Better to be in no relationship than an abusive one.
You can be sure, that if the UK rejoins, it won't get to keep special privileges like it's power to opt out from certain EU-laws and regulations as it did before. The UK has lost its negotiating power at this point.
Yeah, now they have to beg
@@watersportsbyjamesfitzroy5870 well, I don't think that. Just sign up in the Queue, after Ukraine and Turkey. And a free Scotland. 🙂
Someone who left the community, especially the way it went, can not just stand in line and expect treatment like a newcomer. Brexit hurt the whole EU community and bound an enormous amount of assets, that would have been direly needed to tackle real problems. So before thinking to rejoin, the UK should think about what amends it can and will offer and what the EU community will win by taking in a country that has proven to be a turnhead and stirrs trouble for nothing. There certainly needs to be a lot of humility in the British behaviour and the clear will to be part of and contribute to the community before rejoining could be seriously considered.
And future young genaration
Big Boris screwup
@@watersportsbyjamesfitzroy5870 beg? Lmao, EU would drop their panties for UK if it even hinted it wanted to ''rejoin'' ya nugget.
From my personal (German) perspective, this brexit fail would really be entertaining, if it didnt damage EU economy and global politics. Also I really enjoyed my holidays in the UK, have really dear friends over there and its a pain that travelling and cultural exchange has become more difficult💔
The worst part is, the ones that truly benefit from all of this separation/disunion are authoritarian states like Russia and China.
From my personal (American) perspective this German petroleum fail would be really entertaining if it didn’t damage the European economy and drag down its allies again
@@friendsinmyhead2195 true, our last 16 years of government f*cked our energy sector real bad, making us dependant from russian gas and phasing out nuclear. Our current gov is atleast accelerating RE but seems to keep clinging to the phaseout..
toxx
What pain is there involved in visiting the UK now?. There is nothing stopping you visiting the UK, stop being so dramatic.
And exactly how does Russia and China benefit from Britain leaving the EU?. As long as Germany cosies up to China, as they are doing, then there will not be much unity in the EU, unless of course Germany starts putting pressure on the rest of the EU Countries, as they so often do.
Sort yourselves out and stop looking at Britain for the troubles of the EU.
IF Germany had the same attitude towards those two countries (Russia and China) as Britain, they might start to take notice.
My father,99 years old,said ,when the GB left european community, that this was a good thing. Cause they where only making troubles in Brussels and Strasbourg.
Not for all people wisdom comes with old age...
Your father was 100% right..
@@prof.nakakata6992 Pretty much all of our problems come from Westminster.
@@TalesOfWar all of our problems actually come from tel Aviv
It's almost like leaving an Economic Union could have dire consequences for your economy. Ah well, some people will never admit it was total fuck up, they'd rather go into denial.
I was for Brexit but votes against it because I thought May would screw it up, seemed about right in hindsight, sadly she was no thatcher, very weak leader.
We wete told before the vote it would effect the economy and yet the poorest people in our society voted for it. It wasn't a vote on economics
@@lewis123417 Doesnt mean those 'stupid poor people that voited for it' were stupi dand voting knowing it would make them poorer. They dont know that, there were benefits and negatives to it, it was a risk, and we left with an awful deal due to poor leadership unwilling to threaten no deal from the start to have any form of leverage. So we were treated like germany after WWI
@@IncubiAkster May wasn't even in the picture at the referendum, Cameron was OM at that time.
@@IncubiAkster Thatcher's conservatism was terrible. It was politicians like her and Reagan that helped create the deregulation of corporations and the ultra-wealthy at the expense of the average person.
Why would the EU let us rejoin? We have been unwilling members and unhelpful / disingenuous negotiators since we left. I would have given my 'I' teeth to not have left - but rejoining within 20 years seems like a fantasy.
You're an European country. That's reason enough. Obviously the European commitment of the UK would have to change a lot from what currently is. But if the UK (and I mean not just the government) wants back I don't think there would be any serious opposition.
@@germangarcia6118 being a European country only means we aren't disqualified from joining based on geography. We still have to meet all their criteria and if even one countries doesnt want us and vetoes our application which can take decades to sort then we are right back where we started
@@bt3743 Yeah. I was just expressing the way I see it. It will definitely take a lot of time before both the UK and the EU can even consider it.
The most likely thing I could see is a Swiss agreement form up instead of full membership. We will be apart the eu interms of law and trade but not in name
@@glowtail3744 That will be vetoed by the EU members. The Swiss situation was an exception to try to convince them to join when the EU was forming. EU doesn't like it, and will definitely not want to grant it to a country with no prospects of joining.
The UK shouldn't remove the GBP. It still is stonger than the Euro.
Your team's doing a great job. I follow your channel since the brexit and your explanation is always at a very high level. Greetings from the EU (Münster, Germany) and go on with good content, please ! 🙂
I was once in Münster for a few days, very nice city.
Following this has been interesting. They seemed to have little to no plan from the very beginning. All they said was "we want to leave the EU." Ok, how do you want to do that? "By leaving!" Ok, what's your plan to do that though. there are a lot things we need to untangle. "And we'll do that by leaving." We get it, you want to leave, that's fine but you need an outline of everything you want to do & have it set up before you do something.
Exactly
The Brexit referendum only came about because promising a vote on EU membership looked good as a campaign promise for David Cameron. It's a big reason the Conservatives were elected in 2010. It was never about the future of the EU - Brexit is, and always has been, a political stunt.
A lot of the vote for Brexit, as I understand it, was based on people not being informed and just believing conservative propaganda from selfish conservatives like Boris Johnson. And I think there was a lot of prejudices against immigrants and non-UK citizens that played into it also.
@@50jakecs plus the conservatives seemed like they hand no real/new policies for their constituents to latch on to so they came up with Brexit
Well spotted. If there had been a plan, most BRexiteers would have denounced it as "Not their BRexit". Also, it would have been very simple for "Remain" to tear it apart. It had to remain (?) vague and nebulous.
There is no "rejoin", as far as the EU treaties are concerned. There is just "join". A fresh start like any other new member, without all the super special sweetheart deals that the UK had being reactivated. And that won't happen this decade, and probably not the next. It's just too much for it to swallow.
How about not this century?
@@apveening
Yep, that would give us people in the EU time to breathe.
Rejoin as in they've joined once before.
Not rejoin as the terms would be very different. It is not "hello old chaps, we are back". And as the terms would be less favorable the UK will stay out for at least 2 generations.
Why did the UK need all those deals in the first place? Would the UK being an EU member that’s part of Schengen really be that bad?
Iceland and Malta are part of Schengen despite being islands, and if it weren’t for Northern Ireland, Ireland would have joined Schengen long ago.
I don't think anybody originally wanted Brexit to begin with outside of business owners and politicians who knew that if they stayed in Europe then they would have to face the consequences of going against human rights for profit (the main reason Brexit was announced was because Europe was starting to figure out how to deal with Britain's immigrant/migrant slavery problem which would have cost a lot of rich people a lot of money).
As both an American and British citizen, my combined national identity is a source of tremendous embarrassment for me.
I tend not to mention it immediately in my life far away from both these places in Berlin.
@@jakelittle1261 Oh my goodness if you wanna play Germany VS USA I'm gonna have ask you to hold miene Bierstein
Same goes for Germans visiting France or the Netherlands. You better speak English and tell 'em you're from Denmark or something...
I would hide in shame if I were a German
@@ginaluciano9933 The reason why germans don't need to hide their shame is because they are PROPERLY educated about the atrocities of their past.
In the UK I remember being educated about the British Empire and the Atlantic Slave trade and never having an emphasis on how badly we effed up, and how many other countries we effed up by colonizing them or getting them all addicted to opium. I have very little national pride because so much of the iconic grandeur of British royalty was stolen from all four corners of the globe.. The royal family is also exempted from making tax desclarations so we don't know exactly how rich they are, but you can bet they have a money tree a thousand feet tall.
I still remember that one minister who came to the Brexit-negotiations with EU-representatives without even bringing documents. It just seemed incredibly arrogant and unprofessional. While that might have been a one-off,it can serve to illustrate how much the public image of British politicians has suffered on the continent during the whole process. The talks used up a lot of ressources and valuable time. From the perspective of the EU, Britain would have to consistently prove itself to be reliable, I think.
That was bad, rude and unprofessional. But why would people even think about rejoining the EU. The EU is a hot mess lately. Other countries are trying to leave the EU too. Why would Britain wanna rejoin the EU.
Who was he? What was he negotiating? In what capacity was he there? Did he actually have any power to negotiate on behalf of the UK government or just a lackey taking notes?
Another sweeping statement with no context or verifiable evidence. I am, by no means calling you a liar, it would however be more helpful if you included a few more details.
I've seen a plethora of film and photos of May during the talks with various eu leaders, she didn't have any documents either. How arrogant and unprofessional!
@@penfold9540 I'm talking about David Davis, in 2017. He was "secretary of state for exiting the EU" from 2016 - 18.
@@secrets.295 which countries are trying to leave?
@@dennisdebruijne8044 none of them
The UK rejoining would require a unanimous vote by the EU members. Good luck with that. Some major concessions will need to be made by the UK, and these may go to the level of national issues of member states. Spain, for example, may want to have a say in the status of Gibraltar...
@@N.MacedonianMapping Uhm no, no EU country will vote to kick Spain out of the EU. In general it is very difficult to kick a country out of the EU. Just giving you a reality check. Treaties of the past can be overridden by future treaties, and it is likely that Spain would tie its vote to allow the UK into the EU to the signing of a new treaty on Gibraltar.
Is there a graph on number of people answering? Do we know if it's the same people saying yes and no or is it more or less people saying yes and no? I can't imagine a poll done so often being considered important enough for people to do every time.
People don"t seem to understand that these polls ,usually run by the same people that run the pre - vote in 2016 and they got that completely - wrong !. Two weeks ago the Daily Express ran a vote to see if was true that a lot of folks regretted how they voted ,the result was 78 % was bothered about Brexit and how it was going and wanted no change ,most of those polled and questioned were quite sure things will improve ,at the moment it"s to soon to know for sure .Myself ,I think every left leaning country and organisation will eventually collapse ,as they always overreach themselves with money or growth ideals ,just look at the USSR a massive country but after the war a spiral into oblivion .The only successful appears to be China ,but is possibly because the people have been ground - down and the way their politics are
run ,but there are murmurings ,even there ! . So don"t expect the E.U. to be infinite . .
With the way the UK has consistently agravated the EU with its shambolic approach, agreeing, then disagreeing, accepting and then not acting on what they agreed to, the EU at this point would probably rather see the UK burn as punishment for their behavior.
During research at university, i didnt come across a single academic article or journal predicting positive impacts coming from brexit.
Not even "Giving (some) people what they want"?
Because academics/journalists are bias
Nobody wanted Brexit, nobody that owned a business anyway. What benefits are there to leaving a huge trading block or your surrounding neighbours when your have basically no leverage?
Yes, but we've "HaD EnOuGh Of ExPeRtS!!" 🤡
@@rkan2 If they wanted MNEs to relocate to EU member nations and reduce the influx of foreign workers (who as a unit work more hours than UK nationals) they sure got it
Starmer asked EU officials last year and was told it would not currently be possible, which is why he hasn't been pushing it. Britain has some serious repairing of relationships to do before they'd be welcomed back.
Source?
This is another thing the Brexiteers didn't realise. This isn't a pub you can pop in and out of depending whether you like it or not. Leaving burnt our bridges. We're screwed but there's no going back, even if the Brexiteers were big enough to admit it! (Which most of them aren't.)
The UK will have to wait a long time before the EU let’s them back in, that is true.
However; until then the UK will still inevitably be doing most of its trade with the EU. And at some stage; both parties will agree to easing trade and customs arrangements. And the UK will just adopt as good as all EU standards anyway (as much as Jacob Rees Mogg hates that). So over time; gradually the UK will become more integrated with the EU.
So a when the point comes where the EU allows the UK to rejoin; it won’t be any big massive sea change again.
@@mt508 source 🤓
Very unlikely. EU officials have no say on what the EU does anyway.
Uk will not get a member of EU again. Some decades ago, a similar situation occurred. Not all members of EU will agree, to accept UK again as a member.
How many brexit voters have you asked if they don't like leaving any more because i have not heard one person say they regret it or want to rejoin.
This is what happens when you do before thinking
100% it was rushed, and no plan just walking forward blindfolded
I agree it was rushed but I don’t want to go back into the EU
Bingo bango.
@@kso4vfl I mean yea it could have been better if UK actually thought what to do to stabilize itself after leaving
@@adamwestbrook1409 Yea. I would have got the UK economy out THEN leave the EU if I were handling Brexit.
i imagine if they were to rejoin, it would include joining the Eurozone and Shengen. Full EU or no EU basically.
Well that’s what you get if you remarry
Yep, or the UK could join a further tier like Norway or Switzerland
Ask Poland! They will join Euro in errrrrr
Sounds good to me....
@@ad_astra468 So a rule taker with no say in the rules.
Also what hasn't been mentioned is the UK would probably lose the EU vetos it had previously and the exclusions. eg. we would probably have to adopt the Euro.
Using the euro is not compulsory. See Sweden for the proof.
How many of those people are factoring in the fact that we would have to sign up to the single currency, Schengen, and we would lose our rebate? Very few. Most think we can rejoin on the same terms - we can’t!!
You don't have to sign up for these things - please do some research and see there are EU states who do not use the Euro
@@lenawagenfuehr53 All new joiners must agree to full adoption of these elements. Please do some research.
I"m french and feel sympathy for my fellow neighbours. The saddest thing in all this is that the british democracy failed: of course, they legally voted out, no question about that. But the way huge lies were repeated and finally got the 'no' to win, is very sad and a defeat
As as German I feel the same.
I think brexit was a russian coup and Europe needs to send a special military operation to free Britain from Russia.
3 day operation really.
I am American. I admire both Socialists and Communists who fight for increasing workers' pay and working conditions at the expense of CEOs and everyone else in society who benefits off those workers' labor. They use government laws as their tool.
And I also admire Anarchists & Separatists - anybody should be allowed to separate from any greater entity (nation, EU, whatever) that they were forced into, at birth: if government/nations etc won't serve workers, citizens equally fairly, then those governments/entities have no right to exist. So I support Britain Brexiting the EU, just as I support Scotland and Norther Ireland and ANYONE ELSE WHO IS IN THE UK to BREAK APART from the UK WITHOUT PHYSICALLY HAVING TO MOVE ANYWHERE.
Nobody is entitled to a nation. Nobody is entitled to the status quo. There is nothing sacred nor important about the status quo.
So while I support Brexiters Brexiting, I am disgusted by MANY of them because they have the infinite hypocrisy that they never got arrested i.e. kidnapped by the EU police or authorities for advocating separation from the EU. The EU never physically violently deported them for lack of loyalty to the EU. But many of these same Brexiters turn around to anti-nationalists and separatists in the UK and anti-monarchists and DEFEND the unjust illegal arrests/kidnapping of people in the UK speaking out against the stupid childish freeloading unnecessary monarchy, and advocating getting rid of the stupid monarchy.
Sorry, Brexiters. If YOU had the right to separate from the EU which was the status quo for 20 years WITHOUT PHYSICALLY CHANGING LOCATION, then everybody in the UK has the right to separate from the UK/monarchy which was the status quo for a thousand years.
No British democracy did not fail. Unless you count the anti democratic remoaner politicians who said they would implement what we voted for and those that were and still are anti democratic losers of the vote. Apparently it's only democratic if you voted remain 😂.
First ask - is French economy doing better than the UK economy ? The answer is no, both are doing okay.
The EU wouldn’t want the UK back. It’d be like getting back with an ex: awkwardly tiptoeing around what caused the breakup while waiting for it to inevitably happen all over again.
nah money talks
Maybe, but if we get back, no way would we leave the EU again after the mess caused by leaving.
The EU is not an ex partner but 27 countries uniting with the wealth of their diversity. So the comparison doesn't stand.
Countries are not single people, different rules applies
@@namesurname2958 Well, after a lot of time has passed and after the political system in the UK has actually changed, So, you are looking at at least a generation before that happens, if at all.
No way would the EU current members and the UK government be able to come to joining agreements that the UK public would ever agree to allowing this to happen, not in my generations lifetime anyways.
No. We weren't wrong to have an opinion to leave. We were wrong to trust a parliament that majoritively wanted to remain to handle us leaving.
The UK has, unfortunately, landed itself in a position where it may never be in a position to rejoin. The old agreement worked out fairly well because it had a lot of carveouts that benefited several sectors that are key to the UK service and banking industry, which are big important parts of the UK economy. Unfortunately, it's unlikely the UK will ever have the ability to get those carveouts ever again. For instance, the UK benefits from being able to regulate its own currency in relation to its banking sector. Such a move would assuredly not be allowed if they rejoined.
Honestly, if the UK does anything EU related, it's interacting closer with the common market if they can stretch it, but from where we stand now, the UK has lost any benefit to being the EU and not for the better.
I am a Brexit supporter and Voted Leave.We will never rejoin the EU.We are too divided to do so and the EU would never fully trust us.
Rejoining is a non starter.
@@Robbiewa-bg4lu And what will you do now, especially with the threats of Scotland's first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, to secede from the United Kingdom, and will the United Kingdom join the Kanzuk Economic Union with Canada, Australia and New Zealand ?????
@@ziadbe9970 I don’t think Scotland will leave the United Kingdom because if they want EU membership they would have to join the Euro.I think we will one day have a CANZUK alliance.
@@Robbiewa-bg4lu If Scotland leave the UK, why would they keep the pound sterling, where they have no power over ? Serious question.
@@AslanV380 They have said that they want to keep the £.I don’t think they should if they break from the U.K.
I wish it were easy for UK to rejoin, but I fear it's not up to the UK to decide. Firstly, EU has every right to say no. Also, when UK left they also sacrificed a long list of exceptional benefits and vetoes.
Didn't appreciate when they were well off.
It won't happen.
Personally I don't believe enough clear facts were given out about the pros and cons of leaving or staying, the parties just put their own opinions while trying to point score against each other, it didn't seem to me like there was enough constructive dissemination of information to give people a clear enough picture of either side of the coin, they just ended up muddying the waters. They only concentrated on one or two issues that they considered the most important. The public were treated too much like idiots and not expected to understand a more broader range of issues
Is this poll as accurate as the one done before the referendum? UK is not the only economy in the world having a hard time in the post covid world recession. Loony energy policies are the cause of most of Britain's woes, if everyone is spending all their disposable income on heating and eating, after filling up their car there's nothing left to spend.
The problem is: On the same issues, the UK is doing worse than its neighbours, especially the Europeans in every area, and the gap is mostly widening. When there was the economic rebound: the UK was lagging behind. In the future, the UK will grow, but still lag behind the EU or the US if those two blocs continue to function more or less normally.
And this is something that most experts have predicted. For example, in a world where it is increasingly necessary to implement common or sophisticated standards to anchor the economic world and guarantee political stability, "GLOBAL BRITAIN GOING DEREGULATE THE ECONOMY" is not a good idea, nor is it attractive to the partners with whom the UK was hoping to open up trade (China, India, etc.), leading to little progress on the famous trade deals promised by the Brexiters and supposed to counterbalance the gradual loss of EU-English trade.
@@ryzziktrognesou1 But the USA and Europe also have high inflation and raised interest rates, in many cases higher than the UK's. Germany is in a world of hurt at the moment.
@@entropy5431 What about what about. German inflation is going down but the UK's going up and don't forget that their GDP is going up and the UK's going down.
@@edwardbernthal160 German inflation at 11.6% which is higher than the UK. Forecast for recession in 2023 and 400% energy costs.
@@entropy5431 but their inflation is going down,the UK's is going up. Which is best, going up, or going down.
The short answer is "No, the UK will not re-join".
The long answer is that "Re-Join" implies that the UK would be granted all previous exceptions and special agreements the UK had prior to 2020. That won't be the case. The UK would "Join" the EU and be an equal peer like Romania and Bulgaria. (or Ukraine, if they have joined by then). But the UK can't join the EU, largely because the UK does not adhere to the minimum standards for democracy an applicant state must fulfil, as outlined in the EU Copenhagen accords, largely drafted and pushed for by... well the UK. So after a large constritutional reform (namely abolishing Erskin May and replacing it with a written constitution and reforming the House of Lords to be elected by the people), could the UK join?
Well, no. Because there are certain issues that were "shelved" during the TCA negotiations that would have to be resolved. This is namely the return of Gibraltar to Spain, something that spain was silenced on during the negotiations with the promise of billions of euros from Brussels. And if Argentina wants to throw a spanner in, they will lay claim to Las Malvinas in the UN, creating an "unresolved territorial dispute" that would prevent ascension to the EU. Same goes for any other colonial leftovers that could arise such issues.
Ok, we have resolved all that, no the UK can "join" the EU, right? No, joining requires a unanymous vote. And while some countries will be in favour, the EU has been running a lot more smoothly, passing a lot more European focused directives in the almost two years since the UK left than in the 20 years prior. Largely because the UK is not able to leverage their veto right to blackmail the EU into "special concessions". There are multiple countries that would veto the UK joining until the EU abolishes its veto rights. And thats before we consider that the UK is not perceived as a reliable partner by any of the EU states right now, let alone considered to be member material.
Ok so membership in the single market and customs union? I'm afraid not. That requires a unanymous vote in favour by the Single Market member states and Norway announced that they would veto that. That was BEFORE the UK insulted under than DEFRA secretary Rt.Hon. Geoge Eustice. The UK joining the SM would undermine Norways position as the dominant nation in the EEA.
Ok so membership in the EFTA than? Well Norway has veto rights here as well, but doesn't have to leverage them it seems. Switzerland has clearly stated, at the beginning of the TCA negotiations that they would not vote in favour of the UK joining EFTA. Their primary motive is likely to be that they are glad to see the competition on the financial services sector from the City of London leaving the EU.
And there you have it. This isn't a gym membership, where you fill out a form and transfer the membership fee. You need to be friends with the members to join and the UK hasn't behaved like a friend in the better part of two decades, arguably never really.
okay pedophille... i mean Europhile
Thank you for explaining to other people that this is not "i want to join" but "could you let me join, please?"
@@warbrain1053 I think that fact gets lost in the British media.
All pro EU propaganda. You traitors are shameless.
That is so blatantly stated as a for all eternity given fact that I cannot help but proof you wrong:
Point 1 Copenhagen criteria. Can be made to be fullfilled by any UK government at any given time. In fact Labour even wants to hold that constitutional convention.
Point 2 the Gibraltar question. That is a no brainer there are several ways to deal with it. A referendum, a condominium, european territory. Pick what you want there are solutions to that. Furthermore territorial disputes only matter for NATO otherwise Greece, Cyprus and Croatia would not be in the EU. Also argentina is not governed by the military junta since decades anymore. As if they did not have more pressing concerns than some sparsely inhabitated island group near antarctica...
Point 3 no more special veto rights. The UK is not ruled by the Tories after all this turmoil is over they are fully intent on falling apart. Furthermore that newly drafted constitution could have articles to prevent that from happening.
Point 4 veto of membership. The veto rights are already seen as a problem by several major EU members and will certainly be tackled soon.
Point 5 norway veto on the EEA. Did Norway ever say something like that? If yes please show me.
All in all none of this concerns you hold are valid or unsolvable.
Please, Never stop the Brexit debate. Instead of the depressing climate, virus and Ukraine news, the Brexit debate in the UK is the joke that keeps on giving 🤗
link the yougov graph please
I like how rejoining EU is made sound as if UK decides lol.
Knock, knock...
Who's there?
Literally no one is saying that, however, to actually rejoin, we have to get to the point of getting our "leaders" to accept that it is a shitshow, it's suicide to push through with a stupid choice and that the question needs to be asked again.
we get to decide if we even want to ask
@@graveperil2169 Thats a lot of power and control taken back out there...Lots of sovereignty too... My pockets just bursted from the extra cash I get from these new and better trade deals with Australia. I also look younger as finally NHS got back 350m week, and I get to spend more time with my NHS provided nutritionist and GP. This is all sarcasm btw.
@@chrise202 then get off your are and start working instead of moaning
2 points to consider:
1) The UK had a lot of "special adavantages" while in the EU that no other country had. After Cameron negotiated to remain he gained a little bit more of these advantages. If the UK was to return to the EU it´ll probably lose its special advantages.
2) When the referendum took place many youngsters didn´t vote, who were more in favour of remain. When you do recently these polls, everybody is taken into account (young and old) but now there is even more young people than the old people at time of brexit (as some they were even below the age to vote).
YOU GET THE IDEA 😂
So said the snake in paradise
Well obviously, thats just how voting works. If youre not old enough to vote at the time you can’t vote.
Nice idea that there are more young and ignorant people in the UK who could now naively vote for rejoining the EU. Unfortunately, the replacement rate is 2.1 children per woman and the UK's fertity rate is 1.75 now, and has deviated very little from this figure over the past 40 years.
Get a grandparent to help you with the maths.
you are praying on the naive inexperienced youth
@@markcynic808 my grandparents are dead, all those old people will be dead in the next decade so their opinions don’t matter, a 16 year olds vote matters more than anyone over the age of 60
I must point out that Truss was not a Brexiteer, she campaigned or remain. Sunak is a Brexiteer.
At this point Russia is more likely to be a EU member than Britian.
My entire family thought I was off my head for emigrating within in year of the referendum. Now I'm safely dug in in the south of France and the reasons I left are manifesting, I feel like some sort of courageous seer. The downside is having to watch my family in the U.K. struggle and suffer.
@Big Ed bruh have u even seen the economy
The UK now is down in the line after Russia! 👎
@Big Ed Facts may not be your thing, but I can assure you that here in France we are not struggling with inflation to the same level that the U.K. is. My electricity bill has gone up 4%. Good luck!
@Big Ed 75% hydro where I live. I wonder, have you looked at the rate of debt to gdp increase over the last three years for the U.K. versus France. Also, mad deposits of Uranium in the Massif Centrale and we still make things like, for example, nuclear reactors. 4th of February you are scheduled to go to level 3 of ELECTRICITY SUPPLY
EMERGENCY CODE (ESEC.) Level 8 on the 20th. Good luck
@Big Ed If that's the case, please explain why the UK inflation rate is close to 11%, when Germany, which is the most reliant on Russian gas, is at 8%. UK trade is down compared to pre-covid levels by 10% (logical, as trade with the EU is down 20%, and the EU represents half of UK trade), when all other G7 economies have rebounded to pre-covid level. Same with business investment down 15% vs. pre-covid, while all of the G7 economies have rebounded. The UK economy is in a bad shape, and the lack of investment will make it worse over time.
Britain may not have any means to rejoin the union even if 100% of the population wanted to be a part of the EU again. There are EU nations that have benefited from companies that moved from England to EU and they might block any idea of rejoining.
Nobody in the EU wants the UK back...
I hope every country vetoes any rejoin attempt!
That's not at all a strong reason to oppose. Do you really think companies emigrating from the UK to EU have that much of an impact on a country's GDP (spread over the entire EU btw) and that it outweighs benefits of a stronger EU block that much for countries to veto?? Makes very little sense.
@@flybeep1661 The moves never happened. They are just brass plates. Stop reading headlines people its just attention seeking.
@@engineeringvision9507 brass plates with fully stocked distribution warehouse. I think you need to stop with the gb news and other fantasy pedalling news outlets.
@@verystripeyzebra I don't watch GB news. The companies people talked about moving didn't even have warehouses, in Britain or anywhere else. You need to work on the background of your fake news / conspiracy theory to make it more believable.
Undo it. Stop this madness.
What happens when you're the cause of something bad happening to you after everyone warned you of the dangers?
In Italy we say "ti attacchi al cazzo"
Wish you guys the best and that UK will be one day back in the EU
not going to happen
"Ti attacchi al cazzo" lol. Same idiom here "Agharrate do carallo"
@@abelbouza1229 Brothers lol
AIUTO JAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The Brexit debate is over.
Sometimes the only way to learn is the hard way. People won't listen until they see the shitshow happen before their eyes.
the EU is europe under one flag
who else wanted that?.......
i think it was an austrian fella
@@jimmyhackers8980 What you described is the United states.
The EU-union is nothing like what you're describing.
@@The-Cat von der levyn.....comes from one of the largest slave owning families in europe....
I could point out the numerous similarites between the 3rd reichs plans for europe and what the EU has installed for its european captives.
But ill let you go and dig a little deeper than "the surface"
They just listened to the wrong people 😂
Conservatives learned nothing. I guarantee it.
Another reason not mentioned is (assuming those polled are those eligible to vote, ie. uk nationals over 18) that Brexit was voted for primarily older people and remain was generally younger. People who were 12/13 at the time of the brexit vote and werent able to vote have aged into the voting population and some of the oldest Brexiteers have died.
The first poll taken after the referendum indicates the a larger proportion of the older voters actually voted for remain than leave. In any case you really should ask yourself why older people would have voted leave, perhaps you haven't been around enough or been lied to enough to realise.
Alex- have you considered that the “ oldies” were the “ youngsters” who voted to join a Common Market in 1975 were disillusioned with what the EU became ? The EU came into being in 1993 as a result a political stitch up by Major with no public vote on it. This continued until Lisbon . Again no referendum vote despite new Labour promising one in the 2005 GE manifesto. Brexit was baked in then.
Still yet to see any benefits of leaving
@@2dradon2 The Remain camp had 42 years of the Common Market, EEC, EC and then the EU foisted on us in 93 to convince everyone of the " benefits" of membership. But couldn't
This is also true of every vote in existence though isn't it?
There is always group differences whether that's age, sex, income, race, education level... and people can move in and out of these groups ans have their opinions change as they do. doesn't mean a vote is invalid though, or all votes are invalid.
Im interested to see people's opinions on why it was such a bad idea? Inflation in the UK is below the EU average. The EU has no jurisdiction over UK decisions. We rolled out COVID vaccines much faster than the EU. Im not defending Brexit as having made loads of improvements, but it didnt really change much, which begs the question- what was the point in staying in and paying for the privilege?
Well, at least the discussion point is back on the table.
I just love how all the farmers and fishermen in the Uk found out that they are nothing special and no one will give the Uk the deal they want. I feel their pain, but thats the consequence of their actions.
They voted to scxew their coleges in other EU countries so they got what they deserved.
I've gotten to dislike farmers, having worked on farms in Australia as a backpacker.
Many are extremely self centred, arrogant, racist loud mouths that think they're a gift from god.
Who employs the most illegal labour and uses illegal labour practices?
Which group was the most prominent in employing slaves until that became outlawed (UK and USA)?
Yet, how do they live?
On their huge estates with expensive cars and many even owning private planes?
How did they get to be farmers?
Ah right, inheritance. Not because they're working hard, but they inherited the property....
The only reason we give them that voice is: bEcAuSe ThEy GrOw FoOd. You see the stickers: "If you ate, thank a farmer"
Completely ignoring that they're only able to do so that efficiently because of science and technology. Who engineered their tractors? Who came up with the formula for their fertilizer? Who delivered their consumables and what massive chain has made it possible that their products are sold in in stores?
Brexit was most popular in the country side in the UK and the majority of farmers voted in favour of it. Of course now they're vocal again because they always are.
While labour parties always put up policies to support farmers (again, popular because food), the vast majority of farmers wouldn't vote for a labour government since that support the rights of their employees.
As an European (not British) the American politics is equally intriguing and interesting to follow as this brexit saga. 😊
What are you talking about? How is this relevant? The US not even mentioned one time in this vid.
The US saga/situation is far more dangerous for the world at large than the UK Brexit.
@@flybeep1661 : …..aaaaand?
@@flybeep1661 I think Kristof was referring to the earlier comment by someone else, from America, who said following the Brexit saga is fun. Scroll up or down and you'll find it.
American politics is a bunch of self-righteous pretending-to-be-religious morons, bought and owned by the companies who supported their campaigns. It's a puppet theater.
there are strict guidelines for any country to join the EU. the UK left the EU, which was a first, and there are costs involved in that. those costs are to be paid first, before any other decision is to be made. since admission is a lengthy process and proceeds over a number of years, the UK cannot expect different treatment. also, the old rules do not apply any more. if it was that easy to join or leave the EU, the whole concept of it can go straight into the trash.
Maybe recently the population got the shits about being asked the same survey question time after time only recently.
It can join, but it can never RE-join
It starts from scratch now, no special opt-outs
I’d say a super majority is need to opt out
there's no way there would not be some opt outs , even under the strictest & most conformity based arrangement , such as for any future military shifts within the eu , & in areas where opt outs are acceptable for eu nations & don't affect the others , as is the case for most of Ireland's , opt outs would appear rather likely , what the UK would more likely lose & certainly would not get back would be it's vetos , though currently any nation has some veto power on certain kinds of policy just by being a standard member anyway , in addition the UK is simply different enough to most european nations that some specific opt outs others have no interest in but which would be entirely acceptable to any prospective eu nation if they did becomes reasonably likely , just off the standard operation of EU beurocracy outside of actiobs based on sentiment , the uk would even eventually end up with large rebates again just due to economic weight given enough time
however , what seems more likely is that by such time as the UK would join again , if it does, the EU itself would be different from it's current form after significant time has passed , and it may be that none of this may apply then
The UK would have to adopt the Euro and Schengen which I cant see going down well with the electorate
Err NO just NO to the Euro. We are British We like our pound. plus keep our measuring system.
Formally yes, member states are expected to adopt the euro. Practically a lot of the members didn't and it's not being enforced.
Given pound's recent performance, UK wouldn't qualify for ERM2.
@@voidvector euro isn't doing any better I thought?
@@misslanapaulford And this, Ladies and Gentlemen explains why the UK has been reduced to an international laughing stock.
The title is wrong
That’s why you don’t ask the public on important matters…
I would say that the recent polling is more a thumbs down to the Conservative party in general rather than Brexit
We wait until the fire burnt out and then buy the UK for a bargain.
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A lot of other countries have the same idea: China, India, USA. The UK leaving the world's largest trading block to go it alone in times of political and economic uncertainty has left them weakened and exposed, and exports of shortbread, money laundering for the wealthy and tourism won't keep them safe.
@@diverguy3556 What? UK has been an hotbed for Russian and Chinese oligarchs for decades and not just after Brexit. It was sold out post ww2
@@singularityraptor4022 correction 1820s Nathan roftchild
Its just a poll of the moment, within a year the public opinion will be totally different
That's why getting independent is stupid when you were already in a comfortable zones and living with ease. Hoping to get the same treatment even after gaining independent is stupid, of course all of the benefits will be gone and many many cost must be paid
Thank you for including a mention of the EU's perspective on accepting the UK back. So much -UK based news, esp around Brexit, talks about what Britain wants as if everyone else will just go along with it. "Fog blocks channel, Europe stranded" is very much alive and well.
"Fog blocks channel, Europe stranded" - absolutely brilliant :) :)
don't do that, don't give me hope
There is NO hope for remoaners.
There is no hope. They squashed it in their own video ( 6:28 ). This was just clickbait.
@@tendrosstoodross2976
No hope, brexit have to do full damage and dead end.
No hope in short term.
Learn another language and move
EU is currently laughing rn….
So some of the comments suggesting it should have been a higher vote for leaving the eu not just by 4 % but how come we never had people’s vote on joining the eu ??
They had such a good deal while part of EU. You should do a video on how many benefits they had over late comers such as Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania.
Glad they are out. F'm
What? A good deal for all UK to subsidize 10 per cent of economy to trade inside a shrinking trade block? I think you need to study some economics!
@@MrSimeonk I'm a workforce provider from Ireland, we used to bring cheap workforce to UK from Eastern Europe. We withdrew in 2021. We keep getting calls and requests from frustrated businesses that are suffering because no brit wants to do that job anymore.
@@MrSimeonk I've a masters degree in Economics, Brexit contravenes economic theory
@@MunsterNox perhaps no brit wants to do those jobs at those low wages.
I think we will sooner have independent Scotland in the EU than the UK. (That's very important to me: tariffs and expensive transport of single malts are killing me. 😀)
Yes, and Scotland probably could get back in EU faster then UK. Way faster.
@@AndersJackson Yes, but not automatically, as some enthusiasts seem to believe. But, sooner they start, sooned that will get back into the fold. Of course, there will be problems with Schengen and open border with England (which they will probably wish to retain), not unlike the present Northern Ireland problem. But we will work something out.
I wonder about this and how an EU country like Spain would like to see a newly independent country just rock into the EU without any problems. They wouldn't want to give the Catalans much encouragement
@@Chilavertish Yes, that's why EU does not particularly encourage Scottish independence movement, to put it mildly. And even if independence succeeds, it will take the new country years to (re)join, with all the problems with open border with England etc. At least in that respect Catalunya's case would be simpler (not that this would make Madrid any happier.)
I am American. I admire both Socialists and Communists who fight for increasing workers' pay and working conditions at the expense of CEOs and everyone else in society who benefits off those workers' labor. They use government laws as their tool.
And I also admire Anarchists & Separatists - anybody should be allowed to separate from any greater entity (nation, EU, whatever) that they were forced into, at birth: if government/nations etc won't serve workers, citizens equally fairly, then those governments/entities have no right to exist. So I support Britain Brexiting the EU, just as I support Scotland and Norther Ireland and ANYONE ELSE WHO IS IN THE UK to BREAK APART from the UK WITHOUT PHYSICALLY HAVING TO MOVE ANYWHERE.
Nobody is entitled to a nation. Nobody is entitled to the status quo. There is nothing sacred nor important about the status quo.
So while I support Brexiters Brexiting, I am disgusted by MANY of them because they have the infinite hypocrisy that they never got arrested i.e. kidnapped by the EU police or authorities for advocating separation from the EU. The EU never physically violently deported them for lack of loyalty to the EU. But many of these same Brexiters turn around to anti-nationalists and separatists in the UK and anti-monarchists and DEFEND the unjust illegal arrests/kidnapping of people in the UK speaking out against the stupid childish freeloading unnecessary monarchy, and advocating getting rid of the stupid monarchy.
Sorry, Brexiters. If YOU had the right to separate from the EU which was the status quo for 20 years WITHOUT PHYSICALLY CHANGING LOCATION, then everybody in the UK has the right to separate from the UK/monarchy which was the status quo for a thousand years.
They still haven't fully done it yet
Not the same, but reminds me.... as a younger Aussie I had quite a few Pom friends. After a year or two, they'd be missing the UK, and return. Six months later they'd realise why they left the UK for Australia in the first place. 🤣
Id way prefer to live in Europe than Australia
@@bobsmith5441 A lot of people who migrated from Europe to Australia would disagree with you. As would my Swiss ancestors.
The reason for BREXIT was to avoid the EU's Anti Tax avoidance directive that would have exposed and taxed the British elites illegal off-shore accounts, so I doubt that torries will want to bring that back
the torries were pro EU Labour was pro EU only the people was anti EU
If I were to put money on it, I'd say the UK will be back in the EU within the next 30-50 years. It's just good economics. However in the next decade or two I see it as unlikely, bit of a sunk cost fallacy in that we've already done it, we should live with the consequences kind of idea. But again, I think it's inevitable we rejoin eventually, just depends when that is.
Big combines, of supranational technocracies are the past. Top down utopianists have only ever destroyed that which they control. Believing that the Commission will guide us to peace and prosperity s the most deluded assumption of europhles
If the EU doesn't implode in 2023, it will no doubt limp on.
You assume the EU will still be there in 30-50 years.
I don't think it's inevitable if the UK is able to find an alternative economic union or partnership as historical speaking Britain doesn't like a more united Europe
Best take so far, lets meet us here again around 2045 to check in on the status :)
Love your channel. But I preferred when your videos were without the screen split with your image on the left.
Making a dramatic change in a society takes a lot of thought. Surely the side that's pushing for change should be burdened at the outset with a higher result than 50% + 1.
I think we just make the most of this situation instead of trying to do a 180. I don't see a reality where we are let back into the single market with no strings attached. The people that were crying about our lack of sovereignty under the EU will be losing their godamn minds when they see how we are treated *this* time, were we allowed back in.
Exactly, also with the hole thing about having the new king and having to mint new coins, I think you would be pressured to go full Euro.
We need a period to get our shit together a few dacades to pretend we don't need them, then a few decades of growing support for one another, then maybe start rejoining
Thats the best outcome for everyone
All I see is a mental picture of a guy standing on EU's lawn with a boom box blasting sad/romantic music, holding up a sign saying he's sorry, and asking us to take him back.
I admit, the thought does bring me a certain amount of sadistic pleasure - but at the end of the day, if up to me, I would take Britain back - if only because Scotland is awesome, and part of a package deal.
@@armedgarach
Which is a good thing.
Yeah, I don't see it happening. From a non-Brit's perspective, UK was the EU's golden body in regard to opt-outs and placation. Not saying that with a grain of bitterness, btw, just stating facts. Kudos to UK politicians for flexing their muscles to gain these benefits while the UK was still a member. The problem is, and I don't think a lot of people in the UK realize it, none of these will be on the table should the UK decide to rejoin. And it has nothing to do with EU spite or getting back at the Brits. It would simply be illegal. That means, like any new member Uk would have to eventually join Schengen and the Euro zone. Those were special opt-outs for old members. New guys don't get the same benefits (I'm Bulgarian, I should know :)).
Scottish Independence, I hope
if UK goes back to EU you can forget about it since not being part EU is the strongest push for independence.
@@Rihardololz you forget the SNP have no opinions of there own. Only ever the inverse opinion of Westminster.
The SNP were massively pro leaving the EU untill England agreed with them.
@@Rihardololz The UK leaving the EU has weakened the argument for Scottish independence as it would involve hard borders and trade tariffs with Scotlands biggest export market.
@@tendrosstoodross2976 sea has borders? or Scottish have no decent ports?
@@Rihardololz 64% of Scottish exports cross the English border whilst a mere 18% is shipped (at greater expense) to the EU.
SAM.....how about a follow up video analyzing other middle east state owned football clubs. i.e., PSG, City, Newcastle, etc. and see what changes they have done and their progression. I mean Newcastle recently just got purchased and they are already sitting comfortably in 3rd. I shudder to think they can legitimately give City a run for their money so quickly all because of oil money
UK rejoining EU? Sure. If they fill out the application forms correctly, wait for some time while these are checked, and they don't even think of mentioning a UK discount in memory of Maggie Thatcher.
The badly behaved child threw its toys around and decided to leave home.
After being out in the cold for several years it thinks it can come home and will be welcomed with open arms.
Unfortunately the locks have been changed.
Its on its now own for better or worse. Mostly worse.
the badly behaved child? have you looked at who had the most actions against them in the ECJ, it wasn't the UK by a long ways
@@dxpa6818 My analogy referred more to the “cake and eat it” attitude of the British government in the Brexit negotiations which was firmly rejected by the EU in the Brexit Agreement.
The consequences and reality of a poorly negotiated hard brexit is becoming a reality and the British public are slowly waking up to what their government has done. and what they have lost.
However,it’s too late for a complete entry back into the EU and any concessions to the UK as an “outside” Third Country for changes to the Brexit Agreement will have to suit the EU.
Put simply “ If you are in a club you can have a place on the committee and help formulate the club rules. If you are an outsider you have to comply with the rules to ( re)join, and have no say what those rules are or if or when you are allowed in.