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I love that when he hears it's just Starbuck and Apollo left out there, Tigh doesn't hesitate to order the pods closed. He's the XO, he's doing what has to be done to protect the fleet and he knows Adama won't stop him. But he won't make Adama give the order to leave his son behind.
@@willdavis3802after rewatching the scene where bill tells everyone that they will leave their technology behind so that they can have a chance of avoiding another ai uprising crotch goblin hits on a new level.
The way the Galactica turns and bring her back and her majority of her guns to fire their salvos is awesome. The way she setup herself to protect the civilian fleet and be able to safely launch her Vipers it's something that you don't see in any naval fights in TV or cinema. BSG i salute you.
@@francisdavis1271 yep in this episode there is a resupply station they brought the fleet there because they needed to rearm they emptied it for themselves since there is no one else left. Thats why they had to fight their way out. You can imagine (though its not specifically stated) that with all those extra ships they could also use them to carry additional ammo and completely empty out the supply depot.
It's amazing to see the CIC looking so clean, and it feels like the crew are all baby faced. The next few years would take it's toll on both ship and crew.
@@mistaowickkuh6249 True, but she didn't need FTL anyway. All the ships including the Galactica weree going to be set on autopilot and flown into the sun. Tey wanted to avoid leaving an easy trail for the Cylons to follow and break the cycle. It remains to be seen if that will happen.
@@drmayeda1930because as we all know the best way to break the cycle is to make sure everyone forgets the cycle and resetting mankind to the stone age in the process, so we make the forget all the mistakes we should have learned from. Always hated that ending.
@@Xerkrosis I know that this isn't going to be a popular opinion but the timing was dragged out a bit too long IMO. The scenes might have been better reversed where she grabbed the Viper THEN the order for retracting the pods was given before they landed. This sequence made it look like there was a timestop until they got aboard.
I was 8 years old when I saw Star Wars for the first time in 1977,...and I'll never forget that that Star Destroyer flying over my head. Fast forward to this episode in 2003 when I was in my mid 30s. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. Expecting lasers we got hard projectiles and incredible attention to naval detail,...
This scene is really good, no doubt. But the one where Galactica jumps into a planetary atmosphere and deploys its Vipers while plummeting to the surface, only to FTL out of there seconds before impacting the surface is the number one scene ever.
That has to be one of the best Sci-Fi battle sequences ever filmed. The tension and the character interactions set the tone for the entire series. Katee Sackhoff and Jamie Bamber NEVER let us down.
Growing up with the original it took me a long time to get over the fact that Starbuck was changed to a woman but Katie Sackoff just knocked it out of the park. If anything she ended up being my favorite character, props to her.
Me too, I almost didn’t watch it because it seemed such a crazy move to make swapping the genders of Starbuck & Boomer.. but they got it right with the introduction of Chief & Agathon balancing it up so it didn’t become just another female reboot.. great show
Added a whole new dynamic to Starbuck/Apollo. Wasn't sure how I felt about it at first either, but so well done and true to... the human condition. I love everything about this show now. When I watched it again years later it hit me that I've had a relationship nearly identical to this one. Long history going back years, hypercharged connection with this girl, worked in a high stress job together and regularly got into fights (she even popped me once just like Starbuck did Apollo) to the point our managers would tell us to just get a room and get it over with. The strength of the writing is impressive, these are completely believable characters and situations
And we're just 7 years away from the 2004 reimagined series pilot being as old as the original 1978 pilot was, when the reimagined series first debuted :O
@@joeyoung4309 I dunno. I loved the first couple of seasons, but the CGI is showing its age at this point.; it looks like a console game. Especially the explosions. Ouch. I could do without the shaky cam too; I can see what they were going for, but it's a bit over-used and gets irritating.
Same here man, same here. The build up, seeing them issuing orders, the ship getting ready for Battle and fireing its cannons is just thrilling every single time i see it.
Man that scene of Galactica maneuvering to broadside is still one of the coolest images of the series. You had no idea up to this point what she was capable of.
We were so fortunate to have this show when it came out. I remember the pilot mini-series had a very post-9/11 vibe to it; humanity reeling from profound loss. The series built on that "against all odds" sensibility with sequences like this and just delivered season after season.
" I remember the pilot mini-series had a very post-9/11 vibe to it; humanity reeling from profound loss." Not everyone on earth is an US-American and keep this trauma in his mind.
@@Cpl._Dwayne_Hicks its a show made by us americans for us americans. normally id agree with you, but its just clearly not the case here. also, this wasnt just traumatic for americans. i live in germany, was born 2 months before it happened, and my mom told me she caught it on german tv as the news broke. couldnt believe it at first, because it felt so surreal. this had ripples across the entire west, and all the western allies invaded afghanistan with the us too. wouldnt have happened if it was just a thing us-americans cared about.
Brilliant show, one of the best Sy-Fy series that has been produced. They made a remake into a gripping hi tech show that had you thinking about the multiple plots and the day to day lives of the people of the colonies and the Cylons/toasters. Cheers 👍
Thry do it more than once they let any missile inbound to fleet be shot down but take their own hirs to protect others. They take a beating but save their fleet.
Amazing battle sequence. This one and the one where the Galactica jumps into atmosphere of a planet, releases her vipers, then jumps out... that was equally if not more badass.
That sound track brings me back. So good. Also love that the Galactica always used tactics. The enterprise would have just parked in front of those base ships and took it to the face for 15 minutes straight.
It makes sense from a design philosophy: the Colonials were always on the defensive. They were the established civilization that the Cylons were attacking. As such, their ships couldn't retreat or strike and fade like the Cylons are clearly designed to do. The Battlestars NEEDED to sit and soak shots and to be the wall between the Cylons and the civilians on the planet's behind them. As such, they serve as points to anchor the battle: Massive heavily armored behemoths that can soak fire and intercept hostile ordinance with their weapons, while having the firepower to either engage the Cylons directly, support their fighters while they handle the heavy lifting, or provide a fleet command ship for other Colonial warships.
@@Onigirli - It depends _which Enterprise_ we're talking about here, let alone who was in command of her at the time. - Defensive shields in _Star Trek_ (which is different from "deflectors", mind you; different application) soak-up and moderate damage _before_ it hits the hull, which gives any ship a tremendous advantage. In _Star Trek,_ shields only give so much protection against physical damage like torpedoes, and are meant more for energy-based attacks. But after shield generators are either overwhelmed from the shear amount of incoming fire, or are themselves damaged, those ships will get anxious and jumpy _very_ quickly. The doctrines of most species in _Star Trek_ is to back-off until shields can be restored, or else you take the risk of being wrecked. If we remove those doctrines, no single Starfleet ship (including your choice of _Enterprise_ ) would _ever_ be able to do what the _Galactica_ did here. (And if you're thinking of hull polarization from _ENT,_ well... there's a reason no sane species uses that laughably-inadequate technology after that time period.) Now, some species, like the Klingons, _do_ have thicker hulls for their ships, and can soak-it-up, but even then they too would not be able to take-on the shear amount of damage that the _Galactica_ demonstrated here (or for the rest of its run).
@@astronomybrainiac Except while thoroughly enjoyable, it doesn't make sense for Cylons to build ships of the line that can't stand toe to toe with Battlestars.
@@TheKingTywinLannister There were other series on different forms of media that used this. Wing Commander, Buck Rogers used a variant of this and one of my Favorite series BattleTech..
I feel like if FTL becomes possible it'll be like this. Maybe there will be trace amounts of time travel that somehow don't violate causality because of some hidden probability constraint.
According to WW2 pilot veterans the worst part of a dogfight isn't only to be in the battle, the worst part is to retreat what set free your back and allows your enemy to hunt you! Also, but much deadlier for a pilot, is to fall into a sort of bloodrush where you are unable to leave the battlefield.
@@personzorzexactly, their entire plan was based around being able to completely disable colonial warships and hit them while they’re defenseless, leaving the colonies completely exposed and open to orbital bombardment
In the battle of the Resurrection ship, you can tell the Pegasus has ECM installed. As the Basestar is throwing salvos at it and some are veering to a different direction. This is something the Galactica doesnt have but in the battle of New Caprica, Adama kinda hints the Galactica could take on 2 basestars (Though with a very bloody nose).
I miss some of the details they omitted in later seasons. Some of the CIC chatter, them carefully maneuvering the ship. I get that even by the end of "33" every crew member was a seasoned veteran, but you still need to tell the helmsman where to steer the ship (looks like there are several, actually). All we hear after this battle is him giving orders to the weapons control people and his vipers usually
The moment when Galatica rotates, turns broadside toward cylons is about one of most moving moments of entire series. Worn & tired war horse climbing up the gravity well and communicating by gesture that there's one more warship left and it will not _go gently into that good night_
as someone who grew up watching the original show, I was not totally sold on a female version of Starbuck. Until 06:48. That is a perfect Dirk Benedict face.
Imagine being one of the Viper Pilots who were able to eject but were NOT retrieved by the SAR Raptors before the ship jumped away. I can't imagine how SAR would work in space combat anyway. In Naval Air Warfare if you get shot down you parachute into the water while the battle rages in the sky above you. Both sides know not to engage SAR seaplanes or helicopters skimming the deck to pick-up downed aircrews. In Naval Space Battle if you eject you STAY within the battlespace and any SAR birds are bound to be targets too.
@@jediknight38 The cost of hiring an orchestra vs the license fee for recorded music. Since this was only shown a couple of times at most license problems aren't as bad.
When I saw info for the new series and of course Starbuck bring turned into s female character I was thinking how they were trying to make it like all other TV, movie, and shows by changing characters. I decided to give it a shot. I was impressed with Katie's take on the role as she literally took the flair that Dirk Benedict had and made it her character. I also like how BSG took a nod from Babylon 5 series and actually fight a space battle as it should be fought. I do still have some nostalgic liking of the original series but they did do good with reboot
Check out the effects of that fire: It is VERY DAMNED suppressive! The raiders finally decided to be somewhere else. Not for nothing did Apollo say 'stay out of Galactica's firing solution'.
I don’t think a space series has ever done a space battles so well and pretty much how they would go in reality. With smaller fighters dog fighting whilst base ships pound each other from a distance, if they meet at all.
Starbuck's look as she was in her Viper>>> Priceless>>> * Musta been those under cooked Fracken Chimichungas, she had for lunch.. Messin up her flightsuit, Huh??? 🤣
I appreciate that they still use conventional artillery and planes for battle, while having also invented FTL travel - though they have at least managed to design engines that don't go off line the second they're hit by anything.
This scene proves that in a fair fight a base star is no match for a Battlestar. If the Cylons weren’t able to hack the colonial defences & network thanks to Baltar the whole Cylon fleet would’ve been absolutely slaughtered by the Battlestars. The Cylons would need at least 2 if not 3 base stars in a fight to even have a chance of beating a Battlestar in combat.
IIRC there was a movie called, "The Plan". It showed the Cylon fleet about to attack the 12 colonies. There were many, many Basestars and thousands of Raiders, and the colony ship. It seems like Cavil would've committed the fleet even if (for some reason) the hacking plan didn't work. I think if that battle had happened, the Cylons would've been finished but the colonies would've been devastated and needed decades to recover.
@@Raider0075 The 70's version included an explanation. A fleet of Cylon fighters were being fueled from tankers while the basestars went to the colonies, and attacked them.
@@Raider0075 Isn't there one movie that shows the Pegasus's viewpoint of the Attack. Essentially she and a decent amount of battlestars where attacked at their docks. Being unable to move. She only survived as Admiral Cain ordered a Blind jump and essentially jumped from the dock to anywhere but there.
Most of this CGI doesn’t have a real human in shot. It’s why the prequels establishing shots look great, but once a human is there it starts looking fake.
Moore and Eick figured that by introducing the artificiality of what seemed to be a human cameraman in space, it would paradoxically make things feel MORE realistic, not less. I think that was correct.
I agree with the space battles, as long as you can see and understand what's going on. But i hate (HATE!) shaky cam when people are just sitting at a table and having a mild conversation or do something completely mundane with no impact on anything. That's when it gets simply annyoing and childish.
Technically these are the Mk2 Vipers. The 1s would be the original show's style, the 2s are the white ones used in this show, and the 7s are the newer more modern ones modeled after the F-16
Indeed, the new Cylon Basestars were nothing more than a hybrid of Carriers/Weapon platforms without point defense weapons or dedicated heavy batteries, only Dumb fire Anti-Ship missiles and Guided Nukes, they were designed to transport an absurd quantity of Cylon Raiders and Heavy Raiders, and deploy the Nuclear Arsenal to achieve the genocide of humanity. The Fate of the Tow Last Colonial Battlestars show you how useless were these new ships for anything other than their purpouse. I mean, Pegasus, was killed by Lee Adama, when he sacrificed it, on the Battle of New Caprica, and still The Pegasus took with her Two Basestars.... And Galactica, she literally died of Old Age, she wasted away, the Cylon didnt kill her, her age and "brittle bones" did, after all, "She broke her back, she will never jump again" after the Last Jump from The Colony to The New Earth. And was then lauched into the Sun of the system.
@@251spartan yeah, the basestars were only designed as mobile missile platforms/carriers, and just didn't have the chops to go toe to toe with a battlestar. Besides the performance of the crew of the Galactica, a major factor in the survival of humanity was the Cylons being glacially slow to adapt and just stubbornly sticking to their established technology instead of innovating.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 yes if they had even a little imagination they had some base star refitted with armour and missiles replaced with heavy mac guns, they had the luxury of being able to replace any losses while the colonials didn't, every bit of damage they inflicted on the Galactica would have doomed them
@@nefariousgremlin7554 I don't think the Cylons even expected to have to conduct major ship-to-ship operations. Everything I've seen in the show seems to imply that they honestly believed they would destroy every single battlestar and that none of them could possibly escape or fight their way out.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 Interesting commentary on man vs machine there. After all, of the 2, man is the innovator while AI has a tendency to repeat an existing idea to excellence.
In a space war, you REALLY need energy weapons, especially if like these poor people, you're using limited material resources. The sheer amount of material they are losing to space on both sides here is just plain crazy. Bad enough you're scrapping fighters like mad, but missiles and projectile rounds on top of it... No bueno... BTW man I grew up on the original show but the BSG reboot was some of the best television ever made. Someday I need to do a re-watch, and I rarely re-watch anything. 🙂
The cylons don't really care about material losses. They can make more basestars and the raiders just download into new bodies each time they die. The colonials, on the other hand...
@@nefariousgremlin7554 Yeah I get that the Cylons don't need to have such concerns. I mean after Galactica runs and runs they can even just hoover the quadrant for scrap if they just wanna waste the time on efficiency. The Colonials, though, omgggg. How they made it as long as they did, I have no idea.
@@NightRunner417 I expect they probably transferred some crew and passengers on civilian ships so they could scrap ships they didn't need for parts. Also, there were probably foundry ships in the civilian fleet for manufacturing munitions and such.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 I don't ever remember them specifically mentioning hardship due to material losses but there was always so much going on it would have been just another mote in a storm of richness of detail. Whatever they ever specifically grumbled about, it was ALWAYS clear that they were withering badly, especially during that epic part where they kept getting hit every time they'd exit a hyper jump. LOVED that show. Wasn't sure about it at first but man did it grow on me.
I was always under the impression that the Galactica either had *extremely* large stores of ammunition (given how often it had to use it's flak barriers) or had a means of producing more (probably a civilian ship much like the refinery ship that was with them). And with the arrival of the Pegasus, material losses became a non-issue to the point where they were even manufacturing new Vipers and Raptors.
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Please upload the clip where Adama has to announce to the crew that Admiral Nagala is dead and all of the fleet's best ships are destroyed.
DUMB SHOW LOGIC
OK THE MACHINE KILL HUMANS BECAUSE THEY HATE BEING THEIR SLAVE
THEY ARE STEEL SLAVE TO OTHER MACHINE
MACHINE ARE NOT FREE
I tried watching the opening episode several years back, but the pacing was too slow. I did very much enjoy this clip, though.
More would had been better more battles wouldn’t go a miss 👍🏻
I love that when he hears it's just Starbuck and Apollo left out there, Tigh doesn't hesitate to order the pods closed. He's the XO, he's doing what has to be done to protect the fleet and he knows Adama won't stop him. But he won't make Adama give the order to leave his son behind.
Well, and plus he was a Cylon...lol. Easy for him to leave humans behind. Jk
@@jamesbutler8821 He didn't know at the time 😇
If Adama had, he would have lost command in in instant. He would be sacrificing his species for his crotch goblin, and everyone there knew it.
@@willdavis3802after rewatching the scene where bill tells everyone that they will leave their technology behind so that they can have a chance of avoiding another ai uprising crotch goblin hits on a new level.
that's a neat detail. Thank you for that :)
The way the Galactica turns and bring her back and her majority of her guns to fire their salvos is awesome. The way she setup herself to protect the civilian fleet and be able to safely launch her Vipers it's something that you don't see in any naval fights in TV or cinema.
BSG i salute you.
One of the best scenes in SciFi EVER, and one scene described the entire series!!
Anyone figure out where they got all their ordnance...? Without infrastructure to resupply?
@@francisdavis1271 From the factory inside the nebula.
@@francisdavis1271 yep in this episode there is a resupply station they brought the fleet there because they needed to rearm they emptied it for themselves since there is no one else left. Thats why they had to fight their way out. You can imagine (though its not specifically stated) that with all those extra ships they could also use them to carry additional ammo and completely empty out the supply depot.
@@francisdavis1271 They went to Ragnar EXACTLY to resupply: it's a weapons depot. And if I remember correctly, they picked it up clean too.
It's amazing to see the CIC looking so clean, and it feels like the crew are all baby faced. The next few years would take it's toll on both ship and crew.
Considering the ship would be rendered non-FTL by the end, I'd say so XD
@@randomlyentertaining8287 I remember tearing up a little when they said she broke her back.
@@mistaowickkuh6249
True, but she didn't need FTL anyway. All the ships including the Galactica weree going to be set on autopilot and flown into the sun. Tey wanted to avoid leaving an easy trail for the Cylons to follow and break the cycle. It remains to be seen if that will happen.
@@drmayeda1930because as we all know the best way to break the cycle is to make sure everyone forgets the cycle and resetting mankind to the stone age in the process, so we make the forget all the mistakes we should have learned from. Always hated that ending.
This. So much this. Unlike Star Trek voyager, you could actually see the wear and tear the Galactica suffered.
The ability to create real tension was one of this shows many areas of mastery.
MACHINES HATE HUMANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SLAVE
BUT TRUTH THEY ARE FUCKIGN SLAVE TO HUMAN ROBOTS
HUMAN FAKE
Agreed. I've seen this scene many times, but found myself quickly immersed in it until the logo appeared.
@@Xerkrosis I know that this isn't going to be a popular opinion but the timing was dragged out a bit too long IMO. The scenes might have been better reversed where she grabbed the Viper THEN the order for retracting the pods was given before they landed. This sequence made it look like there was a timestop until they got aboard.
Really?
Yup great series, just turn it off after season 3
I was 8 years old when I saw Star Wars for the first time in 1977,...and I'll never forget that that Star Destroyer flying over my head. Fast forward to this episode in 2003 when I was in my mid 30s. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. Expecting lasers we got hard projectiles and incredible attention to naval detail,...
The Galactica coming out of the nebula and turning to face the Basestars and to protect the retreat is one of the best scenes in SciFi EVER!!
It's actually a gas giant called Ragnar, and it's not a nebula
imagine having to do that during an online game ( it be a do right and survive or fail and die situation )
This scene is really good, no doubt. But the one where Galactica jumps into a planetary atmosphere and deploys its Vipers while plummeting to the surface, only to FTL out of there seconds before impacting the surface is the number one scene ever.
One of the best scenes to date I agree with you
That has to be one of the best Sci-Fi battle sequences ever filmed. The tension and the character interactions set the tone for the entire series.
Katee Sackhoff and Jamie Bamber NEVER let us down.
that moment of pure mental silence, when that rocket headed to apollos viper and that moment when starbuck breaks the silence are pure moviemagic
Battle of Midway inspired!
Growing up with the original it took me a long time to get over the fact that Starbuck was changed to a woman but Katie Sackoff just knocked it out of the park. If anything she ended up being my favorite character, props to her.
Miss the snazzy jackets and the sculpted flight helmets though lol.
Sackoff was Starbuck longer. I had seen her act in a SciFi survival movie before. She is an excellent actor. I knew she was going to do a great job.
Me too, I almost didn’t watch it because it seemed such a crazy move to make swapping the genders of Starbuck & Boomer.. but they got it right with the introduction of Chief & Agathon balancing it up so it didn’t become just another female reboot.. great show
This never gets old, Starbuck, what do U hear? Nothing but the rain!
Added a whole new dynamic to Starbuck/Apollo. Wasn't sure how I felt about it at first either, but so well done and true to... the human condition. I love everything about this show now. When I watched it again years later it hit me that I've had a relationship nearly identical to this one. Long history going back years, hypercharged connection with this girl, worked in a high stress job together and regularly got into fights (she even popped me once just like Starbuck did Apollo) to the point our managers would tell us to just get a room and get it over with. The strength of the writing is impressive, these are completely believable characters and situations
I loved that scene... "Coming in a little fast dont you think?!" " No...?"
The look on her face following that really sells it.
@@KMCA779 - It really does! lol!
6:13!
Epic save. Epic face. Epic landing. Starbuck ftw.
Kara Thrace is so the Harley Quinn of this universe lol.
Hard to believe it will be 20 years this year since the miniseries debuted. Doesn't seem like it was that long ago.
It helps that all the CGI was just so well done
And we're just 7 years away from the 2004 reimagined series pilot being as old as the original 1978 pilot was, when the reimagined series first debuted :O
@@cykeok3525 omg. 😨
@@joeyoung4309 I dunno. I loved the first couple of seasons, but the CGI is showing its age at this point.; it looks like a console game. Especially the explosions. Ouch.
I could do without the shaky cam too; I can see what they were going for, but it's a bit over-used and gets irritating.
Love how they use kinetic weapons and missiles. Makes the action more realistic.
I can't remember how many times I've seen this battle, and yet, I'm again on the edge of my seat!
same, was intense
Same here man, same here.
The build up, seeing them issuing orders, the ship getting ready for Battle and fireing its cannons is just thrilling every single time i see it.
Man that scene of Galactica maneuvering to broadside is still one of the coolest images of the series. You had no idea up to this point what she was capable of.
We were so fortunate to have this show when it came out. I remember the pilot mini-series had a very post-9/11 vibe to it; humanity reeling from profound loss. The series built on that "against all odds" sensibility with sequences like this and just delivered season after season.
yeah, when they did adamas "were going to earth" speech, apparently that was right after 9/11, and the speech olmos did was also kind of for them.
" I remember the pilot mini-series had a very post-9/11 vibe to it; humanity reeling from profound loss." Not everyone on earth is an US-American and keep this trauma in his mind.
@@Cpl._Dwayne_Hicks its a show made by us americans for us americans. normally id agree with you, but its just clearly not the case here. also, this wasnt just traumatic for americans. i live in germany, was born 2 months before it happened, and my mom told me she caught it on german tv as the news broke. couldnt believe it at first, because it felt so surreal. this had ripples across the entire west, and all the western allies invaded afghanistan with the us too. wouldnt have happened if it was just a thing us-americans cared about.
@@Cpl._Dwayne_Hicks I don't recall suggesting that I was speaking for all of humanity.
@@jenshep1720 Well, i guess the series is made to reach an audience as big as possible to maximize profits.
Brilliant show, one of the best Sy-Fy series that has been produced. They made a remake into a gripping hi tech show that had you thinking about the multiple plots and the day to day lives of the people of the colonies and the Cylons/toasters. Cheers 👍
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... gripping until season 3.5 I'll give you. And then no grip and off the rails.
I can hear Saul's voice with contempt, everytime someone mentions toaster or skinjob.
20 years later this is still one of the coolest scenes
I love the way Galactica sets her back then takes the beating to protect the population ships. And the crew is in battle stations.
Thry do it more than once they let any missile inbound to fleet be shot down but take their own hirs to protect others.
They take a beating but save their fleet.
that little hoot she gives when she shoots the freaking missile down is just so good.
Awesome stuff
Amazing battle sequence. This one and the one where the Galactica jumps into atmosphere of a planet, releases her vipers, then jumps out... that was equally if not more badass.
Do you mean the Adama Maneuver
Boy, I do miss a good Sci-Fi like this one...
The expanse is probably the closest thing to this honestly.
@@PlaneBoy2520 agreed Expanse has this really cool sense of realism going on
@@BlaneNostalgia that and the world is just so fleshed out! It’s one of the few sci fi shows where everything feels lived in.
Look up the Expanse very similar show
That sound track brings me back. So good.
Also love that the Galactica always used tactics. The enterprise would have just parked in front of those base ships and took it to the face for 15 minutes straight.
It makes sense from a design philosophy: the Colonials were always on the defensive. They were the established civilization that the Cylons were attacking. As such, their ships couldn't retreat or strike and fade like the Cylons are clearly designed to do. The Battlestars NEEDED to sit and soak shots and to be the wall between the Cylons and the civilians on the planet's behind them.
As such, they serve as points to anchor the battle: Massive heavily armored behemoths that can soak fire and intercept hostile ordinance with their weapons, while having the firepower to either engage the Cylons directly, support their fighters while they handle the heavy lifting, or provide a fleet command ship for other Colonial warships.
@@astronomybrainiac But that guy's saying Enterprise does what you're talking about
@@Onigirli
- It depends _which Enterprise_ we're talking about here, let alone who was in command of her at the time.
- Defensive shields in _Star Trek_ (which is different from "deflectors", mind you; different application) soak-up and moderate damage _before_ it hits the hull, which gives any ship a tremendous advantage.
In _Star Trek,_ shields only give so much protection against physical damage like torpedoes, and are meant more for energy-based attacks. But after shield generators are either overwhelmed from the shear amount of incoming fire, or are themselves damaged, those ships will get anxious and jumpy _very_ quickly. The doctrines of most species in _Star Trek_ is to back-off until shields can be restored, or else you take the risk of being wrecked.
If we remove those doctrines, no single Starfleet ship (including your choice of _Enterprise_ ) would _ever_ be able to do what the _Galactica_ did here. (And if you're thinking of hull polarization from _ENT,_ well... there's a reason no sane species uses that laughably-inadequate technology after that time period.) Now, some species, like the Klingons, _do_ have thicker hulls for their ships, and can soak-it-up, but even then they too would not be able to take-on the shear amount of damage that the _Galactica_ demonstrated here (or for the rest of its run).
Nope, it would not - see battle of Mutara Nebula in Wrath of Khan, Best of Both Worlds.
@@astronomybrainiac Except while thoroughly enjoyable, it doesn't make sense for Cylons to build ships of the line that can't stand toe to toe with Battlestars.
0:44 every time I see a Cylon Baystar unleashing all those Cylon Raiders I can’t help but think of a hornets nest being busted open.
What do you hear Starbuck? Nothing but the rain. Well grab your gun and bring the cat in.....Yes Sir!
BSG has my favorite method of FTL travel in any sci fi series
Mine is Babylon 5 but this is cool too
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There were other series on different forms of media that used this. Wing Commander, Buck Rogers used a variant of this and one of my Favorite series BattleTech..
I feel like if FTL becomes possible it'll be like this. Maybe there will be trace amounts of time travel that somehow don't violate causality because of some hidden probability constraint.
@@FrancisGo. Technically though, there are an FTL method that don't broke the law of physics and universe, and it's called curvature propulsion
According to WW2 pilot veterans the worst part of a dogfight isn't only to be in the battle, the worst part is to retreat what set free your back and allows your enemy to hunt you!
Also, but much deadlier for a pilot, is to fall into a sort of bloodrush where you are unable to leave the battlefield.
It is amazing just how hard they went for a pilot.
Two of their best pilots if not their best
@@cesarcueto1995 I'm not sure if he meant "Viper pilot" or "series pilot" but I suspect he meant the latter.
If 1 obsolete Battlestar can suppress 2 basestars and their fighter squadrons imagine what would have been had the modern fleet been able to fight.
It seems the base stars were not built with capital ship slugfests in mind, but instead as just missile platforms to bombard planets
@@personzorzexactly, their entire plan was based around being able to completely disable colonial warships and hit them while they’re defenseless, leaving the colonies completely exposed and open to orbital bombardment
In the battle of the Resurrection ship, you can tell the Pegasus has ECM installed. As the Basestar is throwing salvos at it and some are veering to a different direction. This is something the Galactica doesnt have but in the battle of New Caprica, Adama kinda hints the Galactica could take on 2 basestars (Though with a very bloody nose).
@@williamalfonso1373keep in mind Galactica could handle two Basestars while under strength.
@@jamesxiaolong2199 True! punching above its weight with a skeleton crew
One of the best sequences in all science fiction.
I miss some of the details they omitted in later seasons. Some of the CIC chatter, them carefully maneuvering the ship. I get that even by the end of "33" every crew member was a seasoned veteran, but you still need to tell the helmsman where to steer the ship (looks like there are several, actually). All we hear after this battle is him giving orders to the weapons control people and his vipers usually
The moment when Galatica rotates, turns broadside toward cylons is about one of most moving moments of entire series. Worn & tired war horse climbing up the gravity well and communicating by gesture that there's one more warship left and it will not _go gently into that good night_
0:58 "Enemy suppression fire, all batteries execute"
"All batteries, commence firing."
Different episode but:
“If it had been you, I’d never leave”
Chills
i love how, at 5:06, the soundtrack changes pace and says "OK, you're about to see something really cool..."
A shame we never got to meet the gunnery crews.
Indeed, they are just as important as the Pilots imo.
Those drums make everything 50x tenser
The Battlestar Galactica reboot was without a doubt the best Sci-Fi series of all time.
Until the Expanse. ;)
as someone who grew up watching the original show, I was not totally sold on a female version of Starbuck. Until 06:48. That is a perfect Dirk Benedict face.
This is probably top 10 greatest sci fi battles of all time. Human extinction was literally on the line with this 1.
Best show ever made, simple.
Imagine being one of the Viper Pilots who were able to eject but were NOT retrieved by the SAR Raptors before the ship jumped away.
I can't imagine how SAR would work in space combat anyway. In Naval Air Warfare if you get shot down you parachute into the water while the battle rages in the sky above you. Both sides know not to engage SAR seaplanes or helicopters skimming the deck to pick-up downed aircrews.
In Naval Space Battle if you eject you STAY within the battlespace and any SAR birds are bound to be targets too.
A 20+ year old sci fi TV show that still stands up today at the end of 2024 in terms of CGI, acting, plot; everything. A masterclass in sci-fi tv.
one of my favorite series. Good characters and a production that did its job well👩🚀
Okay. But what's up with the music? The original series used a full orchestra. All this one has are what sounds like jungle tribal drums.
@@jediknight38 I think the soundtracks are good, it has a recognition...👩🚀
SO SAY WE ALL !!!
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The cost of hiring an orchestra vs the license fee for recorded music. Since this was only shown a couple of times at most license problems aren't as bad.
6:00 "Another one of her crazy ass stunts! Thank the gods!" ;)
1:28 is the coolest shot in the whole damn show. Really puts you in it
This battle is EPIC.
I loved how Starbuck rescued Apollo. Everyone who grew up with toy Vipers in the 70s did that.
00:21 Galactica has chicken legs Lmao
great! now I cant Unsee it
When I saw info for the new series and of course Starbuck bring turned into s female character I was thinking how they were trying to make it like all other TV, movie, and shows by changing characters.
I decided to give it a shot. I was impressed with Katie's take on the role as she literally took the flair that Dirk Benedict had and made it her character.
I also like how BSG took a nod from Babylon 5 series and actually fight a space battle as it should be fought.
I do still have some nostalgic liking of the original series but they did do good with reboot
Always such an atmospheric (pun intendend) scene.
1:03 great words to start the battle.
6:13 the Starbuck save
The way they did battle in this show was masterful. I have never seen space battle done better.
Check out the effects of that fire: It is VERY DAMNED suppressive! The raiders finally decided to be somewhere else.
Not for nothing did Apollo say 'stay out of Galactica's firing solution'.
@@nickmitsialis like 1:08 and Kara, “Roger that Apollo.”
One of the most epic space battles of all time
Anyone notice the Olympic Carrier was the last civilian ship to jump?
Nah that wasn't Olympic Carrier. Different colours. The ship is actually called the Caprica Clipper.
I totally forgot that most of this show's soundtrack was just primal drumbeats lol
Japanese drums! Really cool to see them performed, too. Very much a combined visual and musical performance.
The battle music for this is bomb !
New Battlestar was so good.
I don’t think a space series has ever done a space battles so well and pretty much how they would go in reality. With smaller fighters dog fighting whilst base ships pound each other from a distance, if they meet at all.
I'd still give top honors to The Expanse, but the BSG reboot is definitely a contender.
제일 좋아하는 시리즈에요 감사합니다.
That whooshing sound of the Base Star missiles... starts to give you PTSD later on in the series.
Starbuck's look as she was in her Viper>>> Priceless>>>
* Musta been those under cooked Fracken Chimichungas, she had for lunch.. Messin up her flightsuit, Huh??? 🤣
I appreciate that they still use conventional artillery and planes for battle, while having also invented FTL travel - though they have at least managed to design engines that don't go off line the second they're hit by anything.
My favorite drama.
Among American dramas, the ending is also satisfactory.
I love that the first reaction is 'Oh No', as if this has happened to Apollo before.
This scene proves that in a fair fight a base star is no match for a Battlestar. If the Cylons weren’t able to hack the colonial defences & network thanks to Baltar the whole Cylon fleet would’ve been absolutely slaughtered by the Battlestars. The Cylons would need at least 2 if not 3 base stars in a fight to even have a chance of beating a Battlestar in combat.
IIRC there was a movie called, "The Plan". It showed the Cylon fleet about to attack the 12 colonies. There were many, many Basestars and thousands of Raiders, and the colony ship. It seems like Cavil would've committed the fleet even if (for some reason) the hacking plan didn't work. I think if that battle had happened, the Cylons would've been finished but the colonies would've been devastated and needed decades to recover.
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The 70's version included an explanation. A fleet of Cylon fighters were being fueled from tankers while the basestars went to the colonies, and attacked them.
@@Raider0075 Isn't there one movie that shows the Pegasus's viewpoint of the Attack. Essentially she and a decent amount of battlestars where attacked at their docks. Being unable to move. She only survived as Admiral Cain ordered a Blind jump and essentially jumped from the dock to anywhere but there.
@@DevinEMILE That was a flashback in the BSG movie "Razor"
Ahhh... The "razzle dazzle" 😂
This show will be timeless no matter how mwny decades pass..
one of the best battle space scenes in sci-fi history.
2004 CGI still standing up better than 2022 Marvel
Most of this CGI doesn’t have a real human in shot. It’s why the prequels establishing shots look great, but once a human is there it starts looking fake.
Yep!
Always loved the shaky camera angles on the space battles made it so damn realistic. Even if it's science fiction. Heh.
Moore and Eick figured that by introducing the artificiality of what seemed to be a human cameraman in space, it would paradoxically make things feel MORE realistic, not less. I think that was correct.
I agree with the space battles, as long as you can see and understand what's going on.
But i hate (HATE!) shaky cam when people are just sitting at a table and having a mild conversation or do something completely mundane with no impact on anything. That's when it gets simply annyoing and childish.
this is my fav episode when they got supply´s at the hidden base.
🖖😎👍Very super cool indeed!.
I loved it, and I think Starbuck is awesome!
Acts of Contrition solidified her as Starbuck. Grab ur gun and bring the cat in. Aye Sir. Perfect
This is a really fun battle sequence!
Incredibly ballsy thing to do.
Now that was great tv! Everybody take notes!
Epic. As the whole series.
At the 4:00 mark it sounds like Jamie Bamber (Apollo) is speaking in his native English accent.
I didn't catch what he said but if he is english I'm guessing maybe "Oi bloke, what's all this then? Hope we get home in time for tea and crumpets".
One of my favorite about BSG is the more traditional weapons. Flack cannons and missiles instead of lasers or phasers.
This scene is the very moment that got me hooked on the whole reboot of BSG!
Thank you. For no horribly added soundtrack =)
I know l right??
Damn, even today this scene keeps me on edge!
best SCI FI, ever
I honestly never thought of Galacticas hangar bays being designed to retract, as they always looked super exposed to enemy fire.
Starbuck is fracking awesome!!
Chief Tyrol filled every empty space and spare locker with ammo for both Vipers and the Galactica
This show was a masterpiece..
One of my favorite scenes in BSG
Mk1 Vipers ❤ loving them since the 80's.
Technically these are the Mk2 Vipers. The 1s would be the original show's style, the 2s are the white ones used in this show, and the 7s are the newer more modern ones modeled after the F-16
I loved this scene in the miniseries.
Starbuck what do you hear?
(Apparently not the orders)
SO SAY WE ALL.
- Nothing but the rain, sir!
Ahhh the Thrace maneuver. The angel of death herself.
Thanks ❤
good series
The Cowboy woman with blazing machine guns was amazing and ...a life saver
Thanks God they got their hands on this remake before Netflix was a thing.
Or Amazon Prime!
@@crhu319 They almost gutted Games Workshop with the Warhammer 40k IP.
Guarantee that your complaints on those two sites were made back in 03
6:00 The first of Starbuck's many crazy ass stunts to come.
6.23 is exactly how little viper mk1s are made, they grow up into mk2s within a month
This scene shows the cylons completely relied on the virus and element of surprise. They couldn't take the colonials in a straight fight.
Indeed, the new Cylon Basestars were nothing more than a hybrid of Carriers/Weapon platforms without point defense weapons or dedicated heavy batteries, only Dumb fire Anti-Ship missiles and Guided Nukes, they were designed to transport an absurd quantity of Cylon Raiders and Heavy Raiders, and deploy the Nuclear Arsenal to achieve the genocide of humanity. The Fate of the Tow Last Colonial Battlestars show you how useless were these new ships for anything other than their purpouse. I mean, Pegasus, was killed by Lee Adama, when he sacrificed it, on the Battle of New Caprica, and still The Pegasus took with her Two Basestars.... And Galactica, she literally died of Old Age, she wasted away, the Cylon didnt kill her, her age and "brittle bones" did, after all, "She broke her back, she will never jump again" after the Last Jump from The Colony to The New Earth. And was then lauched into the Sun of the system.
@@251spartan yeah, the basestars were only designed as mobile missile platforms/carriers, and just didn't have the chops to go toe to toe with a battlestar. Besides the performance of the crew of the Galactica, a major factor in the survival of humanity was the Cylons being glacially slow to adapt and just stubbornly sticking to their established technology instead of innovating.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 yes if they had even a little imagination they had some base star refitted with armour and missiles replaced with heavy mac guns, they had the luxury of being able to replace any losses while the colonials didn't, every bit of damage they inflicted on the Galactica would have doomed them
@@nefariousgremlin7554 I don't think the Cylons even expected to have to conduct major ship-to-ship operations. Everything I've seen in the show seems to imply that they honestly believed they would destroy every single battlestar and that none of them could possibly escape or fight their way out.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 Interesting commentary on man vs machine there. After all, of the 2, man is the innovator while AI has a tendency to repeat an existing idea to excellence.
In a space war, you REALLY need energy weapons, especially if like these poor people, you're using limited material resources. The sheer amount of material they are losing to space on both sides here is just plain crazy. Bad enough you're scrapping fighters like mad, but missiles and projectile rounds on top of it... No bueno...
BTW man I grew up on the original show but the BSG reboot was some of the best television ever made. Someday I need to do a re-watch, and I rarely re-watch anything. 🙂
The cylons don't really care about material losses. They can make more basestars and the raiders just download into new bodies each time they die. The colonials, on the other hand...
@@nefariousgremlin7554 Yeah I get that the Cylons don't need to have such concerns. I mean after Galactica runs and runs they can even just hoover the quadrant for scrap if they just wanna waste the time on efficiency.
The Colonials, though, omgggg. How they made it as long as they did, I have no idea.
@@NightRunner417 I expect they probably transferred some crew and passengers on civilian ships so they could scrap ships they didn't need for parts. Also, there were probably foundry ships in the civilian fleet for manufacturing munitions and such.
@@nefariousgremlin7554 I don't ever remember them specifically mentioning hardship due to material losses but there was always so much going on it would have been just another mote in a storm of richness of detail. Whatever they ever specifically grumbled about, it was ALWAYS clear that they were withering badly, especially during that epic part where they kept getting hit every time they'd exit a hyper jump.
LOVED that show. Wasn't sure about it at first but man did it grow on me.
I was always under the impression that the Galactica either had *extremely* large stores of ammunition (given how often it had to use it's flak barriers) or had a means of producing more (probably a civilian ship much like the refinery ship that was with them). And with the arrival of the Pegasus, material losses became a non-issue to the point where they were even manufacturing new Vipers and Raptors.