Game of Thrones - 8x5 The Bells [Part 2] - Group Reaction
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Does this moment feel earned or properly built up to? Let us know what you thought about Daenerys the Mad Queen burning thousands of innocent men women and children alive to death. This is The Normies reaction to Season 8 Episode 5 of Game of Thrones - The Bells! Part 2!
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Missandei: Did you do it?
Dany: Yes.
Missandei: What did it cost?
Dany: Everything.
😂😂😂
Dany to Jon snow: "I hope they remember you"
🔥😂😂😂
Hahaha, hell yes
Dany : I am the Queen.
Jon : And I......KNOW....NOTHING.
"The bell doesn't dismiss you, I do" - Daenarys Targaryan
This comment underrated af
EPIC COMMENT, fam... #Greatness
0:11 "They're finally gonna liberate Kings Landing!!"
Me: Oh my sweet summer Child.
"""""liberate"""""
USA politics like to liberate other countries this way. For freedom and democracy!
*obliterate
10:50 "no, this is some shit you dont understand... this is hip-hop" hahahahah that killed me
"Starks just run in straight lines" omg 😂😂😂
Starks are an honest, straight and narrow family
@@iandragooo Literally
Dany was alone, for the first time in her life, truly alone, with no one she can trust, with no one she loved....and you know what maester Aemon once said: “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing”
I thought more people would realize that she's going crazy.
@@Ascadex I think a lot of people realized the potential for it, but the show has focused a lot on the good in her throughout the seasons and thus we didn't expect her to actually go completely mad like she did. Especially not in such a short period of time like she did. Had they made it more obvious that she was losing her grip on reality throughout the last few episodes it would have been easier to accept.
There was plenty of clues since season 1 / 1st book, but you know, people sticks to death to youtube and reedit theories and they fail miserably
No
@@Ascadex right everyone fucked her over
The episode where Pat get's to say, "I told you!" for a full 30 minutes, lmao.
It’s honestly incredible that he is the only one who predicted that.
They’re still claiming “it came out of no where” lol
Yea, I was like, Pat is gonna have a field day with this episode! LOL
He annoys me sometimes, but I was right there with him on this one. Dany isn't even mad, she's a genocidal maniac.
@TSAR BOMBA guy right next to the black guy
As a Stannis fan im having a great day laughing at all the reactions lmaooo. Now the Dany fans will know the meaning of pain :)
Cersei: "I'm the most vicious queen in all of Westeros."
Dany: "Hold my Starbucks."
danny is not a queen she's a Khal and she did what every khal promise to his people burn and destroy city
😂😂😂
@@SasukeUchiha21072011 she is the literal queen of westeros, recorded history.
@@thetruthofit398 Nah,Gendry is!
"Hold my dragonfire."
Missandei: "DRACARYS"
audience: "YAAAS QUEEN, SLAYYY YAAAAS"
Dany: *actually goes through with it*
audience: shockedpikachufaceHD.jpeg
True
Its so sad this is true
You know Missandei's Dracarys was meant for Cersei and her army, not all the inocent people. Funny that Dany did exactly the oposity she killed everyone BUT Cersei. lol Fucking D&D, thank god there's still the genius GRRMartin to tell the real and complete story.
Is this so hard to understand:
1. Missandeis message was that Danny should go through with killing innocents to *get to Cercei*. Not just jump 120 units on the crazy meter and start burning everything and everyone she wants to rule.
2. As the Normies said: It would be fine to have all this happen had we gotten some time to build it up or had they executed it better.
She was definitely leaning this way and I don't doubt that George plans for her to go a similar route, the problem with this is that it's horribly rushed. It needed a full season of development and context, not a 20 min difference between her trying to resolve it peacefully and torching the whole place down while purposely ignoring Cersei.
I'm all for Mad Queen/full Azula Daenerys, but it being rushed is criminal. (Still, episode had some stellar cinematography and sound design so at least this season looks pretty while it burns down)
To all the parents who named their daughter Khaleesi/Danaerys:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...WE GOTTEM
Lmao, named their kids after an insane fictitious war criminal. There was always a big risk with her. Her whole story arc was overcoming her father, the mad king.
Its just a tv show why are yall making it so deep lmao
What kind of bad parents would even call their daughter Daenerys in the first place like wtf people xD
@@malekith3344 Because the tv show explores very deep ideas.
@@malekith3344 it's the biggest TV show in the world, a phenomenon of popular culture.
People take Star Trek way too seriously, why wouldn't GoT be any different in the digital era.
Them: She would never do this! They just ruined her entire character arc!
Me: **Robert Baratheon laugh**
BOBBY B WAS THE MAN!
Her character arc was not ruined. Everyone she trusted or loved either died or betrayed her. She snapped, and for a Targaryen, the coin was flipped and it landed on the madness side. Just like the Mad King before her. Only she actually finished what he started. Targaryen style!
Can't blame D&D for the main characters ending, This is Georgie boy. xD
@@Andyhandz You don't know that, he just told them the ending, doesn't mean they followed it. That being said if this happens in the Books there's definitely actual build up for it, it wouldn't come out of nowhere.
@@Andyhandz Nope George said himself the Books will be completely different to the shows. Even now it's completely different. You guys are fools for believing that shit. Obviously they would do that because many fans watched this show because of GRR Martin
"Be a dragon"
Dany: "Olenna sends her regards"
This dumbass thought she killed everyone for messande, what an idiot . He clearly had no clue
"You burned a little girl alive!"
"I only do what my Lord commands. "
"If he commands you to burn children, your Lord is evil"
Ser Davos Seaworth and Melisandre s6.
Want to guess who's evil now?
Where did Davos go
I think after this Davos is done with war.
Lmao atless ser davos doesn't wipe out the entire city full of people😂😂😂😂
The difference is Melisandre did it execution style. Dany did it in the midst of the battle. Shit happened in battles. Why peoples still gullible on Cersei is beyond me. Just coz they ring the bell doesn’t mean they’re going to totally surrender. What if she is just trying to lure the army in and start burning them all with wildfire once inside the city? Cersei is very much capable of that. And wdyk there’s a few green wildfire afterall, after Dany set them all up with Drogon ofc. I’m proud of Dany now, she’s so stupid in the few previous episodes. She knows what really need to be done to get the throne, but play all nice about it. Welp, she did it now and gj for that.
Dany is beyond evil her reign is over
Now listen, I agree this was rushed and totally stupidly smashed in. But saying she was never like this isn't true. In the very beginning she swore she'd burn cities down when her dragons were grown. She may be lovely and put on a pretty face and may have good intentions, but she always had this authoritarian mentality. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all it takes is one bad day.
All her actions were the opposite of this. She only was brutal to brutal people (like slavers).
Oh yeah, let's selectively remember her character arc from season 2 but not from season 7.
@@michaelhenry3234 The Tarly's? The Dothraki that sent her to the widow house because that was their tradition?
They've been hinting at her becoming a tyrant for a veeeeeeery long time now. For several seasons. Losing Missandei and Jorah was the last straw.
@@michaelhenry3234
Oh yeah, like how she convinced drogo to invade westeros, and in order to do so, he went on a rampage of killing, looting and rape against 100,s of thousands of innocents, in order to finance the acquisition of ships for her invasion?
She was only brutal to people like slavers? what about those that spoke against the violence in mereen? what about her loyal subject that killed the harpy, despite his please of mercy and that of her people she executed him.
What about her threats to destroy Qarth and all its people?
Jorah warned her about all this....he advised her to have mercy because if Ned Stark had executed Jorah, he would not have come to serve her.
Se Barristan advised her to have mercy, but she crucified everyone.
she always had an authoritarian view. she has always been for "breaking the wheel" as long as she gets to be the axle that remains at the center.
She did not come to Westeros to institute Jeffersonian democracy.
She came to take what his hers, with Fire and Blood.
No she is truly the Queen of the Ashes
@@michaelhenry3234 Slavers who were crucified without trial which later came to light that some of them were against the brutality of the slaves.
'Why are they killing the civilians?' Ask season 3 Jorah: "There's a beast in every man, and it stirs when you put a sword in his hand."
@Juliana Silva man = mankind is the "classic" meaning of the word. Quote the definition: In traditional usage, man (without an article) itself refers to the species, to humanity, or "mankind", as a whole. (hu"man"ity")
@Juliana Silvalol no, but the soldiers slaughtering the civilians are
@Juliana SilvaWoman simply means female man. (wif-man) The word "man" wasn't used to create the word "mankind" and "humanity", it's the other way around. Which I assume is what you mean by "defective" (i.e. based on a male-centric worldview or whatever)
I think the reason they didn't show Dany's face when she started burning the city is they were trying to show that she had lost her humanity. She was just the dragon in that moment.
King Robert was right all along....
based robert
The whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooore was pregnant.
"Do you think it's honor that's keeping the peace? It's fear! Fear and blood!" - King Robert
How To Speed Run that’s what I’m saying
so was Joffrey...
Pat annoys the hell out of me sometimes
This time Pat was the only one I enjoyed, and the rest of the normies were acting like this is a Disney movie.
Yeah, anyone who is shocked at this unfortunately hasn’t been paying much attention.
Season 1: Dany burns Mirri Maz Duur
Season 2: Dany burns the house of the undying
Season 3: Dany burns Astapor
Season 4: Dany crucifies the Masters of Meeren
Season 5: Dany burns Mereenise noblemen
Season 6: Dany burns Vaes Dothrak
Season 7: Dany burns the Wagon Train
Season 8: Dany burns Kings Landing...
Fans: “She has always been a saint and a victim, she is different from all other kings...”
Yep. Same boat. Pat sometimes is too cocky but he was great this episode lol
I totally agree, on both points. "Came out of nowhere..." Seriously? Have they been watching the same show.?
Ripy but all of those have been people that have wronged her she especially in essos all those places and people you mentioned were slavers and evil people she never targeted innocent civilians she only destroyed only who she had to nothing more so it doesn’t make sense that she completely obliterated kings landing and everyone in it
Daenaerys has absolutely been crafted to be on a knife's edge of morals/megalomania from the very first season of the show, and the very first book in the series. To have her just get what she wants and still be a 'good person' would feel like a betrayal of everything Game of Thrones is. This isn't the kind of story where the good guy wins or even stays the good guy. It never has been. Someone said she was in control and still cared about the citizens prior to her break when staring at the Red Keep, but she was not in control of her emotions. Ever since she went North, the show made a point to show her increasing frustration with the people of Westeros, when they didn't want to bend the knee to her. That frustration and anger at being met with such opposition only grew. In this same episode, Tyrion begged her to reconsider burning everything, and her reaction was 'Meh, my mercy will come after. When the next generation is free.' She had already given up on Tyrion's advice and the people of King's Landing. In her mind, she'd worked so hard to get to Westeros, for this dream of being a savior, and the people there still didn't love her. The tragedy here, is that like Dany feared, once the gears started moving in favor of Jon OVER Dany, a lot of us saw this coming and knew it was going to fall apart for Daenerys.
Dany's story to me, is a more human and tragic look at the development of a tyrant. We had always seen tyrants, prior to Game of Thrones, from an outside perspective or their own AFTER their descent. This is the first time we've seen it happen to someone we could like and understand. That's why it punches you in the gut. Not because it's character assassination. This murderous 'fire and blood' rage was always in Daenerys, and she finally got pushed too far. She felt alone, she felt like all of the citizens hated her. In her mind she had no reason to love the people of King's Landing, and in her battle lust madness, they too became threats to her reign. It's fucked up, it's terrible, but it is true to what has been built in her to this point. Missandei wasn't the only thing to push her over the edge, but she was the last real straw.
That's my take on it anyway, though I do think had there been more episodes or another season, a lot of audiences like yourselves, would have felt that this progression was more organic, and it wouldn't feel so abrupt. Because it IS abrupt, due to the rushed pace of Season Eight. In that, HBO definitely did us all, and the characters, a disservice.
You're right.
Valerie Verith YOU NAILED IT!!Thank you!!
Very well said. I think you conveyed what the writers have completely failed to do so in the show, and THAT is ultimately my biggest issue with this turn and why I can't even bear to watch the last episode anymore because I do feel her character has been assassinated as a result of their poor handling of the writing and pacing. I don't think they did a good enough job even conveying that she had this madness in her up until this point. Dany is rash, but people forget she's also young. A lot of her threats in the past have just been that...threats. She always listened to counsel when it comes down to it. I think she's well within reason to be angry with everyone right now which would drive her to make even rasher decisions, but she shouldn't be looney-bin insane like they're depicting her to be. I will still maintain that that part was not earned at all and if anything, we should actually feel bad for a previously beloved and sympathetic character being forcefully driven to the edge and over rather than feeling gleeful at her demise.
A beautifully articulated, lucid and mature response in the middle of a stormy UA-cam comments section! What an unexpected treat! A knowledgeable person who gets "GoT" as the tragedy it is, not as the epic fantasy that the majority needs to justify the horror of war and the reality of those who feel entitled to rule humanity!
And I agree with your statement that It might have benefited from a longer season or another one. But almost nobody realizes how ambitious as a TV series "Game of Thrones" is, and how demanding has been to write and produce a season a year, or two years for this extra epic one, for the production team, the cast and the crew.
EXCELLENT.... I've been saying the whole time. Everyone talks about her father like he was crazy, just because he was crazy. But here we get an origin story of sorts. Her character traits, combined with the cruel world around her, and her delusions of deserving to be ruler of a place she's never been.
the mirroring shots between Arya and Clegane aka. choosing Life and choosing Revenge were so powerful!
But makes little sense since arya litteraly murdered douzens if not hundreds of people in revenge lol........
@@jangloeckner9421 not in that episode tho... she WAS consumed by revenge, and then made the active decision to choose life. (although tbf, they really fucked up the season either way, It's like 4-5 seasons compressed into 6 episodes)
Bran worged into the horse and ubered to arya
more like he Lyfted her to safety mate
horse already died. its the horse of golden company commander. it is now revived. I think arya is dead and a version of night king.
well you see birds flying just before she bacame full Mad Queen, so he could be watching all along
Nah, Gandalf sent Shadowfax to give her a lift.
I HOPE that’s what it is cuz it would make Bran more useful and less of a let down.
Who said she was angry?
She said in the first half:
"Let it be fear then."
Hard to rule people through fear when you burn pretty much all of the people. She easily could have done everything the same up to the point of burning down the whole city and just went straight to the red keep and burned that down. It would have instilled a great deal of fear without destroying the whole city.
@@cobra7282 KL is the first example, she's going for the rest of the cities. If they do not submit, she will burn them all down one by one. That's what's going on episode 6. "Let it be fear then" - She has no legitimate claim to the iron throne. Varys sent out the news to all the lords in Westeros already. The only way to keep her position is through fire and blood. She did not go mad. It was a calculated move on her part to raze KL to demonstrate to the rest of world that she means business.
@@cobra7282 All she burned was Kings Landing. There's plenty left to rule.
@@noelcrenshaw7969 "All she burned" KL was a huge percentage of the Westeros population. Especially after the war against the Night King.
This also doesn't address my other point and that is that she could have instilled fear just fine by destroying only the Red Keep. Killing all those innocent people simply reduces her number of followers.
@@roastpork5437 "If they do not submit, she will burn them all down one by one" If only that's how KL played out, but they did submit and she burned everything anyways.
That is Dany. She didn't flinch at seeing her brother brutally murdered. She embraced the Dothraki. The better people around her checked her. That's gone now. She's a warlord with a dragon. She loved the slaves she freed insomuch as they loved her. You don't love her and bend the knee, she'll roast you. They've set this up for a long while. We just loved the idea of a dragon queen laying waste to the assholes in Westeros we came to despise for seven seasons. It still came to a head quickly, but given the time they had to work with, it was going to be rushed. But to say this goes against her character I think is way off. They haven't undone everything about Dany. This is the payoff.
Exactly.
Yup
It goes against her character. In this same episode she agreed to stop if the bells are rung. This is just lazy writing and against her character arc
Rushing is going against the character. They are related. Rushing prevents being able to properly communicate to your audience; without that communication you have a seemingly warped character. There is little difference between the two. The general reactions are clear that some sort of communication fell through. They chose this shortened format so they don't get to use that as an excuse. Writing is communication and they've failed on that front based on these kinds of reactions; I don't think there can be much debate about that. A sizable chunk of your audience reacting this way says something about your ability to translate which is the essence of writing, especially considering these issues have only begun recently which might not be a coincidence.
@@HalcyonCinema That dry ass nod was just her trying to get Tyrion off her back
At the end of the day, Targaryens are known for horror. But Olenna Tyrell didn't exactly help this ship along. "They won't obey you unless they fear you." "You're a dragon. Be a dragon"
You understand that Olenna used Daenerys so she could destroy KL with the Lannisters inside and have her revenge after what happened in the Sept of Baelor with the Tyrells, right?
Man, I guess nobody gets the main point of the massacre. When the bells rang Dany realized she hasn't "won" anything. No back up of the people, no claim to the throne, so she chooses terror. Dany doing things for terror is in line with her whole character arc. She ruthlessly burned thousands of men in uniform, slavers, oppositions. There is not THAT MUCH more necessary to run amok. It's just the state of denial most people are in. Also, even history told us so many times how ruthless the "good guys" can be: The completely unnecessary destruction of Dresden in WW2 (flames!) or the nuclear strikes of the americans. That is all GoT is about. So sad no one seems to get it.
It's not that it's difficult to grasp. It's that her decent into darkness was written WAY to suddenly this season. It was whiplashed in, thus it makes it feel cheap.
She took 2 seconds after the victory to assume all that?
It's because it's part of popular culture. Crazy fans are justifying everything the "good" characters did.
Master Key Completely agree, sad to see legit everyone hating the ending. It was a little rushed sure but it’s the ending of the story that makes sense.
@@syedmazhar8427 Exactly. People are complaining about the journey, which I completely understand, but the moment itself wasn't bad writing. It was just how rushed it was.
There were SEVERAL points where Dany was about to ''awaken the dragon'' but the people around her convinced her otherwise. At this point, she had nothing and noone.
Even then she would’ve just went and killed Cersei, her killing innocents first makes no sense? Make dany made queen is cool but show her descent into madness better ffs the writing is fucked.
EXACTLY
@Joe S the problem with it is how they butchered the execution. it was so rushed
Exactly! What's even more hilarious are the folks who claim the TV show ruined her character when it's even more clear in the books that this is who she is (at least in part). "A dragon does not plant trees".
@@DDPK Finally someone who has a brain. I've been saying for a long time now, its not poorly written, only the execution lacks. People shitting on the whole story simply because it didn't go their way is triggering.;
You guys were predicting MAD QUEEN for weeks and now that she's there you guys are so surprised.
I know right?! I loved the episode. YES I feel it was rushed, I feel there could have been more episodes leading up to this but you know what, this is what was always supposed to happen. Since season one, when Dany didn't even blink an eye when her brother died, I knew she would go mad in the end. There have been so many clues, so many.
Season 2 flashback, when she's in the throne room and every thing is ash, we thought it was snow at the time but no, it was always known to GRRM and D&D what was going to happen.
MsGigijenjen literally. they scream of joy whenever she says shes gonna take her revenge and then they go like why??? Why??? when she does just that
It’s not about being Mad Queen, it’s about the sequences that lead up to Mad Queen.
lmao exactly! its so cool to say and see the destruction from far away when our heroes commit but when u go on the ground and SEE it from different perspective, you see the reality of what it ACTUALLY looks like! Dragons are cool until u realise that they literally are like atomic bombs.
It’s the way they made her mad, you win the war and some bells drive you insane so you kill everyone? You have to see shitty writing when it’s in front of you
Thank you Rory McCann for the best character in history....THE BLOOOODY HOOOOUND😭😂
look at me... LOOOOOK aT mEEE
tied with Tormmund
Now what coward shit in my pants??
@@HablaCarnage63 Excuse me for a moment....."kind sir"??? Shit i feel so confident usually on these quotes lmao
Oberyn Martell That would be Tormund Giantsbane.
Holy shit Robert was right! Robert Baratheon was always right.
So was Joffrey...
Well..... he wasn’t right to kill Rhaegar Targaryen. The good Targaryen. None of this would’ve happened.
As Bran said “Robert’s rebellion was built on a lie”
So was Mirri maz duur...
**Robert Baratheon Voice*
GODS I WAS SMART
What part lol
Kinvara called it way back in Season 6, Episode 5. "The dragons will purify nonbelievers by the thousands, burning their sins and flesh away."
LOL, this whole video is just one smorgasbord of delicious quotes:
"Go park Drogon somewhere safe!"
"She went to tthe Prometheus school of running away from things."
"The whole Stark family did."
RIP to a fookin legend, SANDOR “THE BLOODY HOUND” CLEGANE.
"I will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!"
Who said this all the way back in season 2?
A. Dany
B. Dany
C. Dany
D. All of the Above
She said that as a starving 17 yr old orphaned widow who just walked hundreds of miles through the desert hiding from rapist slave traders. She didn't have an army, her dragons were infants the size of cats and couldn't breathe fire yet. She was powerless, trying to appear tough since pleading with the Thirteen wasn't working. "If you don't let us in, we'll die!"
Oh that's foreshadowing for you? Lol
@@maverickassasin1514 Her actions came out of no where for you? LMAO
Travis Mattson yeah and we spent 8 seasons of her growing and learning and being good just for it to mean nothing.
@@Goomyx1492 Yes. Give me one example where she killed innocents without any reason.
“She would never do this in the past”
This a quote from her in season 2
“When my dragons are grown we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground “
here's a quote from season 7, "I did not come here to be queen of the ashes" LMFAO
@@michaelwood9559 that's usually are called "Character Development"
She crucified masters when sir barestein told her to be merciful Burned innocent nobles in marine shed always been psycho
Christian Evik it’s called poor writing
X probably if you’re a nerd I like it shit writing still enjoyable
Dany was never a just person, only in her own mind. Her advisors through the time were the ones stopping her from going full Targaryen. Everyone should have seen this since season 3.
She always overreacted. She's vengeful, jealous and full of spite.
Something else that came from S3: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
Exactly
She also cried and chained her children up in a dungeon when ONE peasant girl was killed by Drogon.
How the fuck was she not just? She started out wanting to free slaves. She imprisoned her own children in the temple because drogon killed one child and she was so devastated by it. Get tf outta here with that shit. She started off with good intentions but sometimes those with good intentions are the ones who can fall the farthest from grace.
Exactly what I think
Dany at Quarth: when my Dragons are grown, we will lay your city to waste.
Dany at Yunkai: do what I want or I will kill you all.
Dany at Meereen: * crucifies 400 people without checking *
Dany at Westeros: I know nobody asked me to come over, but you're mine, if you
disagree, I excecute you. But I'm not a tyrant, so it's K.
Dany fans at King's Landing: ThIs Is CoMplEtElY oUt of hEr ChARacter!
actions speak louder than words. She has always chosen freeing her people over ruthlessness. Until now and why? because Jon doesnt love her romantically? Seems silly. The arc made sense to her character but they needed more time to develop it. It just felt forced and out of the blue because of it.
@@rozz1864 Maybe for you. She's been a tyrant for a few seasons already, it was more than predictable that this would happen. Fans are more annoyed than surprised.
Rozz well she lost her best friend Missandei, lost 2 of her children the dragons this has been building up and plus she’s a fucking Targaryen their words are literally “Blood and Fire” her father burnt people alive for fun and her brother molested her all her life and tried to cut out her baby I’m not surprised. Also I was hoping for a bitter end fuck a happy ending since this is Game of Thrones makes no sense for a happy ending.
Rozz Dany is even more brutal in the books , GRRM confirmed her mad queen arc. Also if you watch back the seasons Dany has always killed with fire right after she has already conquered. Unfortunately this time she had reached her breaking point with everything that’s happened to her ( jonsnow is at the bottom of that list)
@Pro Jey96 What? She hasn't been learning, she very obviously got progressively worse over the seasons. They've been showing her becoming more and more entitled about the throne and characters have even explicitly been SAYING IT OUT LOUD half of season 7 and the entire season 8 that there's a problem with her she doesn't listen to anyone, if before she could be talked out of some of the murder (even so, only one instance she was talked out of it I can actually think of, the wise masters). A person believing that they know the truth and they have all the right answers and starting by killing those who are objectively "bad people/enemies", but eventually coming to justify the killing of anyone in the name of their "greater good, that only they know" is the oldest tale in the book. And it was obvious from a mile away. Dany fans are just bitter that the show stopped doing fanservice and finally cracked the delusion.
Its funny how people only accept the bad writing of this season when their favorite character gets fked over
I didn't really understand how Dany switched to Mad Queen all of a sudden, but I am glad more people are seeing into this dumb writing with this.
It's also funny how people blame D&D for EVERYTHING even tho GRMM completely stated he gave them the plot points of the end of the series which means Dani going mad is totally going to happen in the books too and people won't be able to blame D&D this time...
@@tunderdiamant8651 That's not what that means actually. GRRM has repeatedly stated that the show is the show and te books are the books. He's said they'll end differently. Look it up.
tunderdiamant dany going mad is not the problem, but going mad after the already won
@@ihateintroductions5808 Also since the books have literally chapters written from Dany's pov, GRRM has tons of ways to indicate this "turn" better and to build it up better than that.
Dany: "I will rule by fear."
Normies: "What is she doing!?"
Vansco exactly what I was thinking
Rule by fear /= Kill all civilians, lmao.
There too soft and stupid
Well, who is she gonna rule now?
@Juliana Silva What do you mean? Take the city, hang Cersei, become a saviour queen. She had a lot of options since they were surrendered
Dany was always going to be the mad Queen. Her character wasn't assassinated, they just rushed the progression.
Yep, this in a nutshell. In the books she has always been questionable, but in the show they give her fanservice moments constantly. So now there's whiplash. And her downward spiral will take two books instead of two episodes.
No ones upset that she became the mad queen it’s how it all unfolded ! Dumb and lazy writing.
That's what called bad writing ..it was so rushed that it become so fucking unbelievable
@@TheReDeeMeR1988 "kid" lmfao.
Dany is literally mad. Go be condescending somewhere else.
@@Hash_kw Nah, rushed. Her character may seem butchered because her arc was rushed. But make no mistake, once the books come she'll go mad just the same.
It'll be done much better, that's for sure.
Dany every season: " I will burn cities to the ground"
Dany burns KL
Normies : Pikachu Face.
its not what happened its how it happened. how do some people not see that just from watching it.
When she said that she had been mocked by a ruler of Qarth.
Dany was trying to scare him. Nothing more.
SHE NEVER HARM AN INNOCENT BEFORE!!!! Just quite opposite.
RUINED GOT for shock value and starky fan service.
@@rozz1864 i disagree she snapped and the show has literally forshadowed it since s1 bro get ur shit right and gorge rr martin helps direct the show and he has been planning this for years. If u disagree .... Come at me bro! Her story arc has been leading up to this from day 1.
Go back and read the books or watxh the show again its right infront of ur eyes! And yes it was a little rushed but money isnt everlasting and it would be waaay to expensive to show every detail. IMO executed perfectly with the budget that they had..... Except for the ghost and jon scene... Couldve done better yeslol
Mike Hoot
Yes, she did harm innocents. Not all the masters she crucified wanted slavery, some were against it. When one of the sons of the masters told her she did not care.
26:30 Dany only showed compassion to the slaves because when she liberated them they loved her completely. In Westeros people aren't won over that easily and she couldn't handle the fact that people were not bending the knee at the mere sight of her.
She didn't even give them a chance, the real reason is lazy writing.
@@Marz2727 dumb and dumber at work. nothing more to say about how the show was butchered with shit writing.
Dany doesn't care about them bending the knee she just wanted to defeat the NK by Jons side and take back her birth home, kingslanding.
@@Marz2727 lazy writing or just a conclusion that you were not happy with? lol
@@zer0phasez Kings Landing is not her birth home..
I just think it's funny how the people who rooted for Dany and were totally ignoring her red flags and now they way this was stupid and out of character when, if they paid attention to her character, they should know it really isn't and her "fall from grace" mirrors how her father turned into who he was in the end.
That's why I never rooted for Dany. She's just power hungry. "I want my throne!". "I have dragons" through all the seasons. I like her when she's in late Season 7 when she toned down a bit because she fell in love with Jon. Though she become Mad Queen now, I'm not mad. It's clearly rushed. But did not butchered her character like everyone said.
She was one of the most delusional characters throughout the story. Everything she ever talked about and fought for was the iron throne. The only time she fought for anyone else was Jon, because she loves him. But the moment he revealed the truth about him and he became a threat to her claim, she started to work him and tell him not to tell anyone and it became all about her again. She was always power hungry and violent.
Exactly. It was definitely rushed but the end result was always going to be the same.
People keep acting like certain hints meant this would've happened. This is beyond rushed. Of course they could've done the mad queen arc, but take you time. This is pointless
100%, they refused to listen to every single red flag and criticism of her character.
Now they act shocked when she does the thing that has been hinted at since season 2.
I’m amazed that some people are shocked at this.
The reason Dany didn't eat was because she knew Varys was poisoning her food
Holy shit!! that never ocurred to me
Wow I didn’t notice that.
Was he actually? I thought he was just trying to keep up to date on her condition. W o w
Great catch this. Didn't give it a second thought when watching it live. 👏👏👏👏
I think she was just too upset. She isn't an all knowing God.
You can also tell that after season 6 they completely gave in to fan fiction. You can totally tell the difference between the early seasons. It felt more “Hollywood” after season 6
Or just a little rushed... they squashed probably two extra seasons into 6 episodes
The series is based on books, five of them, and there are still two more to come. Until the fifth season, the scriptwriters, who are also the directors, were guided by them, and then they had to give continuity to a work they were not up to. They mischaracterized and ruined several characters, including my favorite and most damaged: Daenerys and Tyrion
@@brunaribeiro9246 I've head that few many times... but you've actually got to have been discombobulated to just simply ruin a series based off a lack source material. I wouldn't say D&D are that bad since we enjoyed a good 6 seasons of the one of the best TV series in history. Apparently they talked with GRRM before they even figured out the ending and started planting the seeds. The ending was always going to be like that, just that it wasn't compelling, rushed and they thought they could get away with shockvalue...You don't transition a treasured character like daenerys, pretty much loved by everyone in two episodes, it should take half a full season at least. Even if it makes sense on paper, it doesn't on screen for such a small window, so I agree in a way..
@@Epicsandmore24 It's not so much about what happened, but how it happened. It needed more development, she has burned people alive before, but it is different than burning an entire city
@@brunaribeiro9246 'she has burned people alive before, but it is different than burning an entire city'
Oh, really? How is it different?
This should be interesting.
It's funny how everybody seems to say; 'wow Dany the bad guy- that's a twist.'
When I'm like. 'You really didn't know?''
“When my dragons are grown we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground” in season 2 outside walls of Qarth but now everybody wanna act surprised. 🙄
@@missliss2581able and she said during the battle of the bastards that she would return the Masters cities back to the dirt. Only reason she didn't was because Tyrion said that's basically what her father wanted to do and that was the reason Jamie killed him. When she said return cities to the dirt did these people think there wouldn't be any Innocents in those cities?
I don't think she's a bad guy... The rules are different in Westeros. This isn't 2019 Earth with the Geneva convention. All I can think of right now is that song "He had it coming". This applies to all of Kings Landing. Justice was served today.
All of King's Landing. Varys, protector of the realm, would disagree with you. A lot of people would disagree in fact.
they rushed it all in this season. she was NEVER this bad.
LMFAO even pat who usually enjoys seeing some chaos and characters dying was like "Shes still going?"
16:52 I think she's (Arya) going to kill cersei
Bricks : Hold My Cement please!
That’s because she was never prophesied to kill Cersei. She was prophesied to kill Dany Targerian. She has green eyes btw
There is NO PROBLEM with the storyline. Only an optimistic fanboy/girl would fail to see that this was always on the table for Danaerys. The problem is with HBO's insistence on making the last 2 seasons 'LIKE MOVIES' instead of having standard 10 episode seasons, which would have helped build up the story nicely. GoT went Hollywood.
HBO? They insisted nothing. They offered 3 more season, D&D said no. They offered 10 episodes in this last season, D&D rejected and said they needed 6. Do not blame HBO at all. Also by your second sentence, I assume you are the same type who said "OMG I KNEW IT S1E1 THAT ARYA WAS GUNNA KILL NIGHT KING XD"
I feel like its the opposite people who always hated Dany is blinded by this, She was never in my top 10 but this was unnatural and bad writing just like the rest of the season. Its probaly gonna happen in the books but its gonna feel 100x more natural and make more sense.
True. Dany becoming a mad bitch isn't that much of a surprise. The show has much bigger problems than that...
The issue isn't the story, just how fast it's bring rushed, both this and the NK story needed a season to themselves, or at least more than a episode.
@@Scottyjscizzle dragging it out doesn't make it better by default. Plot holes/conviniences and the bad writing of characters (and their dialogue) is a much bigger problem.
The show is rushed, that's true but giving these events a few more episodes would only help if the writing overall benefits from it.
"She would have never done this before". She already wanted to destroy the slave cities (with the innocents) but was stopped by Tyrion.This is no different, except that this time she didn't listen.
No, it was established that she wanted to destroy the Masters and Tyrion stopped her. Your rewriting the plot for your own benefit.
@@CheddahSlammer So are the normies in saying her character arc was thrown away when it's been building up to her go mad.
Cheddah Slammer “I will burn their cities to the ground”
She wanted to kill the masters, not the innocents. She was advised against it.
@@CoffeeAndTowels What about all the quotes about protecting the innocent.
"If you think this is going to have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention"
Ramsay Bolton
Fits this season very well
D Colwell *well written ending
D Colwell agree
Markeeta in denial. I love it
But the dislikes don't.
i think everybody was, since the 4th episode it was going downhill for all characters yikes
Dany turning into the Mad Queen has been foreshadowed since the very beginning of the show. The problem is that her actual turn feels rushed because we got 6 episodes instead of 10 this season, so we don't really get to spend much time watching Dany's sanity deteriorate. The concept of Dany turning into a villain is good, but the execution leaves to be desired due to a lack of buildup.
That's what happens when you have directors who can't write decide they should continue a good story with their own version.
At least they know how to make some good scenes
[Spoilers] “When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”
Basically all I am hearing from people is they didn't do what I wanted so it is bad. They set this up the whole time yes it was rushed but comparing it to Dexter and just saying the whole series is trash now is just dumb
No just last two seasons are absolute garbage.
Bobby Explains It All peoples who have WRONGED her how did the kids and innocent people wrong her you’re a bloody idiot
I agree, I feel like people are just so ready to jump on the "bAd wRitInG" bandwagon. Her change in character is actually very realistic. She's lost everything she cared about, know one loves her and would rather Jon Snow as ruler. It makes sense for her actions imo. Her advisers had constantly told her to not go on a rampage, and because of this, her loved ones keep on getting killed (dragons, missandei. jorah). This is her saying fuck my advisers I'm sick of this shit BURN EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND!
@@Sageboy13 She planned to commit genocide against several of the largest cities in Westeros, which were inhabited mostly by common people and slaves. Tyrion had to talk her down from it.
@@Sageboy13 They didn't rise up against Cersei.
They didn't accept her.
They didn't love her.
That's how they wronged her, at least in her mind.
People: Dany why did you burn all the
innocent people
Dany: I said ROOT & STEM!
Root and stem doesn't nessesarly mean innocent people, her whole arc before s8 was defending the poor etc and going against the aristocracy and nobles.
"Breaking the Wheel" is supposed to be breaking the previous political system and creating a new one.
She is now the ruler of nothing. She has no subjects to create a new system, She is the Tyrant now.
“Doesn’t necessarily mean” however in this case Root & Stem clearly means Kings Landing as a whole. Dany was set on revenge this entire episode. When the episode started it began with many voices talking to her throughout the season.
Vicerys saying “ you don’t want to wake the dragon”
Cersei saying ,” every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin”
Well it turns out she is indeed the mad queen. I find it baffling how people are shocked or surprised she turned out this way. Lol
That is no justification for her actions. Not something the "breaker of chains" would do. I thought she'll remove Cersie's root and stem, not the people's root and stem.
@@akashr9215 scenarists rushed the serie to go to the star wars serie and get some Disney's monney
@@mattpask5594 "I will burn cities to the ground!" -Daenerys Targaryen.
She told us all a long time ago, that this would happen.
“This is hip hop”
😂😂😂😂 yo Chris kills me with these one liners lmao
“She would never do this in the past...”
And in the past she was loved, and worshiped.
If they don’t love her, they burn. They always have.
She's always wanted to burn cities down since season 2.
when?
@@noops99 Quarth
Harrison Chewe she burned slavers, that is very different to burning innocent civilians after they have all surrendered
@@askechadd2473 they are talking about qarth not astapor... When she had that tantrum outside the gates of qarth
Normies: “I’m glad she didn’t have to burn children”
GOT Writers: you sure about that
Sonny Johnson Well... she didn’t have to, she just chose to
@@Whitmore_17 For shock value
Maverick Assasin Nope, because she’s buck nuts cray cray
"there goes her entire character arch" Well no if you actually read the books and watch the show with a brain, shes shown for years she had this inside her, her advisors kept her in line.
The advisors kept her in line until in on night out of nowhere they didn't
@@roberth4321 When she saw her dragon and her best friend killed in front of her, aemom said that a Targaryen alone is dangerous
@@roberth4321 "out of nowhere they didn't" They tried! But enough was enough for Dany. She could only listen to them for so long. They had to constantly counsel her about NOT doing this, eventually the dam was going to break.
@@roberth4321 All her advisors either tried to talk her out of doing it, or are dead. There's no 'out of nowhere' here. Missandei? Dead. Jorah? Dead. Selmy? Dead. Varys? Betrayed her. Dead. Jon? Betrayed her. Tyrion? Betrayed her. But STILL TRIED to talk her out of it. Through the entire episode.
No she hasn't, in the books she is going dark but we don't know if it will be permanent or another arc for her to go over. You know? Like every male character has?
And in the show the only "signs" were early in the season. If she was always like this, she wouldn't have connected with the entire world who loves this character and is hating what they are doing to her
I dont know how you guys are this surprised that Dany went full Targarayan. The plot was rushed but who didnit call this from season 3 ?
Hanna Phe apparently most people
imagine knowing that dany would be the mad queen. imagine knowing cersei would die. ill use that as an example. of many. if cersei tripped down the staircase trying to run and hide fast from danny- and thats the reason she died would you have actualy been satisfied with how she went out- tripping. i mean we all saw it coming. she was gonna die. its not about the end note of what happens to a character. its the delivery of how u get there. she was alla bout saving innoncets for 7 years and in a matter of two episodes she goes full murder everbody mode i mean commmon thats garbage writing
Right? So many people are mad at this episode, but it was so obvious! Are we even watching the same show?
Hanna Phe Exactly. The mad queen theory has been floating around for 6 or 7 years now. Either they weren’t paying attention or were in complete denial.
Reasons (off top of my head) why everyone should have seen Dany heel turn coming:
1) No emotion or care when her brothers face melted off from crown and killing him (S1!)
2) Loss of her love Drogo
3) Loss of 2-3 of her kids (dragons)
4) Loss of Jorah
5) Loss of Meisende
6) Loss of her armies (unsullied & Dothraki)
7) Ruthlessness in Meereen
8) Ruthless killing of House Tarly (father and son)
9) No remorse telling Sam of killing father and brother
10) She has never shown remorse in killing anyone
11) Betrayed by Varys
12) Betrayed by Tyrion
13) Betrayed by John Snow
14) Turned down TWICE by the new person she loved John Snow
15) Seeing how everyone around her LOVED and respected John Snow after the battle of winterfell but nothing towards her
16) She’s Targaryen, it’s sort of in her blood...
It felt rushed due to less episodes, however it was definitely not out of nowhere and out of character.
This needs to be pinned. I can't believe how oblivious people are lol.
So many blind dummies ignoring all of the clues blissfully.
*House Tarly.
There are a ton of characters in this series who lost people, who committed ruthless acts, who killed people who betrayed them, etc. Jon Snow, for example. Would that justify him suddenly snapping and committing mass genocide? He has Targaryen blood, too. But I bet if he turned into a homicidal maniac there would be some disappointed fans for sure. Why can't people be disappointed in Dany's turn? She did good things, too. It could have gone either way. (And I say this as a non-Dany-fan - I could have totally bought a Mad Queen plot if they had written it more carefully and naturally. Everything has been way too rushed since Season 7.)
It's not the problem she turned mad. The problem is: She could've just gone for cersei. But no, she has to kill thousands of innocent people before while cersei might be able to flee. Some characters made stupid decisions in the first seasons but in season 8? Every major decision was a massive disappointment and in my opinion so out of character.
"She would never do this in the past"
What..?
Season 2 Episode 4, Daenerys:"WE WILL LAY WASTE TO ARMIES AND BURN CITIES TO THE GROUND", quoted word for word.
Edit:I've been shitting on the show since Season 5 but this is the first episode in a while I liked, the Daenerys arc made perfect sense. She's always been a villain, all you needed to do was pay attention. "Oh but executing hundreds of potentially innocent masters(as admitted by Dany) is totally justified, it's only one occasion anyways" "Oh she wanted to burn all the free cities when they resisted but it's just a mood swing" "Oh but the Tarlys who surrendered totally deserved to be executed for not wanting to be slaves to a person who names herself "breaker of chains"" "Oh b-" No. She's always been an entitled whiny child who always wanted to resort to violence first. The only things keeping her back in the past were advisors like Barristan Selmy & Jorah Mormont.
Don't introduce logic to these guys, you're insulting their female role model.
Exactly! Are people not watching the same show?
THANK YOU!!! Anyone that didn't see this coming was not pay attention
She blatantly stated this is what she would do!! 🤣
Children aren't armies
Guys she literally said all she has left is fear. Westeros doesn't love her. The only way to take it is with fear.
I agree.
Still makes no sense. Who exactly is she planning to rule over? She just burned them. Also they might've accepted her if she just killed cersei, the queen they all hated and was done with it. But that's not what she did she burned all the innocents. It makes absolutely no sense and all of you making up excuses seem really sad. I dont even mean that in a condescending way i literally feel like you're still in denial and refuse to accept the garbage this is
People are so ready to blame the show. Her whole story arc actually leading her into this.
@@enderkaral178 Lol yeah. I mean all the innocents she killed before this. Smh.
watch invincta's video on how to take king's landing, he explains exactly how she could be loved, too bad the writers are fucking morons
Uh oh well this is awkward when all of you bashed Sansa for seeing this coming all season
Edit: Brown Pat, you the KING!
The queen of the north!
Yes! And Varys too! The two smartest characters
Sansa still deserves some blame here. She spread a secret that wasn't her's to tell and that secret getting out was one of the things that pushed Dany over the edge. I fully believe Sansa was looking out for Jon when she did what she did, but just like with her decision to not tell Jon about Littlefinger's reinforcements at the Battle of the Bastards, her choices directly caused people to die.
Sometimes it takes unfamiliarity to see a person for what they really are, so you're not blinded by the person they want you to think they are.
Nope. Sorry, but that's 100% false. Sansa had ZERO idea this was coming. She had not one shred of evidence to say, "Dany is insane". Sansa didnt trust her. That's a lot different. But please dont act like she knew this was going to happen. Varys knew because he's heard Dany talk like this. Sansa didnt.
I took it like... She wanted a fight after Cersei killed Missandai, she was already oozing with rage and anger and she needed to let off some steam... And when the bells rang she just wasn't satisfied. And that's the thing about Greyworm. He was in love with the woman Cersei killed. He wanted revenge. Both of them wanted the battle. Almost like as if the battle was an excuse for her to kill as many people as she can.
'Destroyed her arc!' 'She would never do this.'
I mean, I know you guys have seen the rest of the show (because I've watched the reactions), but Dany has always had a tinge of madness - she now has no one to temper those violent instincts.
No matter what tinge we've seen, we've never seen anything leading to wiping out all civilians. She's never done anything of the sort before.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Because others always told her not to do it. She has always talked about using dragons to "burn cities to the ground" since the beginning. What did you think she meant when she said "I will take the Iron Throne with fire and blood"? There's your fire and blood. Now the only ones who told her not to do this were Tyrion, who she barely trusts at this stage, and Varys, who now she sees only as a traitor. Also Missandei literally told her to burn everything down before dying. So you see, she's always had the "desire" to burn cities and everyone in them, and she's only got shit thrown at her since she arrived in Westeros, so she was at a tipping point and it wasn't going to be long before she finally did what she always wanted, specially with all her close friends gone.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928
That's because she had the love and support of the people. She realized she will never have that in Westeros. Her goal has always been the throne and she decided that ruling in fear is her only recourse after all that she's suffered. Think about it, nobody loves her, nobody trusts her, nobody respects her, she lost her closest friends, lost her dragons, and the cherry on top is that Jon has a more legitimate claim than she does and he has the support of the common people.
Accepting surrender doesn't instill fear.
@Metallic Hound no she didn't! In season 2 she talked about burning cities to the ground to get what she wants. She's always been more obsessed with power than doing what's right. That's why she doesn't want Jon to be King, because he would do what's right, but she just wants power, not what's right. Only her fans think this came out of nowhere.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 she's never done it because she listened to her advisors, go back to the battle of the bastards and she says she's gonna return the Masters cities to the dirt. Every city has Innocents living there and Tyrion knew that which is why in that same conversation he mentions her father and why Jamie killed him. Had she not listened to Tyrion she would've already done this before just to another city
15:08 NOT THE OBERYN
That's PTSD right there bro
I remember screaming "not again" when that scene came up
I feel like pat is the only one who saw this coming and is perfectly fine with dany having to be taken down now.😄
Yeah, because all the others are Dany fanboys/girls.
That’s because he was the only one who was actually paying attention to Dany’s character arc, the others just refused to listen to any criticism of her.
Me as well😂 Pat is funny af
Pat is the only one there with good reactions in pretty much every show
I’m with this
Dany becoming the Mad Queen is endgame for both the show and books.
It’s been hinted at since season 1
Her fall was inevitable
Adam Morales yes, but the execution was horrible in this episode as well as the 2 episodes that foreshadowed this. The books will do it better than this fan service garbage
Adam Morales When the books finish without Dany becoming Mad Queen and going insane ~ I’ll come back here to see what you have to say. Hopefully we both live till then.
@@angelantayhua3096 it's been built since season 5 what do you mean? You people are just blind cause you love Dany.
Targaryen's are also TERRIBLE rulers. Probably not even a handful of kings that were good kings. Their dynasty fell for a reason.
@@cookie6363 the books and the show will have similar endings. i mean the characters will go different paths but will end in the same places in both the books and the show. it is known. daenerys will end up mad queen in the books too.
Y'all: Why? Why? Why?
"I'll take what is mine, fire and blood."
also her: “i’ll never be queen of the ashes.”
the descent into madness was inevitable. but even a writer of the show stated that the foreshadowing didn’t matter, her reasons for becoming the mad queen come from seasons 7 and 8, according to a WRITER of the show. they could have made her descent more believable, instead of the nosedive she took.
@@123TurtlesILove not exactly
"I'm not here to be Queen of the ashes."
After all she's been through..... Burn them all!!!!
Doesn't mean it makes sense. She was supposed to take what is hers from those who have wronged her. Did those kids in kings landing wrong her? No, cersei did. Cersei is like the only one she didnt kill. She had absolutely no reason to kill those people. None. This was fucking garbage writing like it or not
'Those who would harm you will die screaming'.
Crucifies hundreds of people, burns prisoners of war alive, executes people without trial or proof.
She leads an army who raped and pillaged across their continent.
She made it very clear who she was!
Poor John does not understand what people mean when they say things.
His wife said"put the kids to sleep"and he misunderstood and sliced their throats.
Poor dumb John Paolo A.
Loving seeing all the triggered Danny fans.
I've always been a huge Dany fan, and I really enjoyed this episode.
Won't bother explaining myself, I know that it's an unpopular opinion -shrug-
Me tooooo it's glorious see them crying
Raw Rugby and triggered GoT fans in general lmao i used to love this show more than anything else i’ve seen now character arcs are thrown it of the window in a second and build up is scrapped for surprise. I was never a dany fan but it wasn’t handled well imo. Tyrion fans are upset he’s stupid now, jon fans are upset that he does nothing, jaime fans are upset his entire arc was reversed in one episode etc
I'm a dany fan. I don't mind her going mad however it could have been written better
@@Name-vm6op Say what you want about the arcs but the episode itself was a cinematic masterpiece.
It's like the entire GOT fandom forgot the Targaryen house is genetically fucked and filled with a mental illness that makes them obsessed with fire. Absolutely loved this episode.
People really forget they’re fucked in the head. They even alluded to when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin. Also another thing I saw was a hint was that rhaegar wasn’t a completely mad man who raped lyanna. So maybe it was a higher chance either viserys or Daenerys were ones to go mad
@SUPERNATURAL MAN u really copy and pasting your comments?
Maester Aemon was pretty fucked up... Try harder...
There were like onky 2 or 3 that were crazy
Yeah the saying was literally mentioned in this episode. “When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin.”
Starks just run in a straight line 😂
Damn 😝
In memory of Rickon 👀
To be fair, at that point she was on a street (a linear path where you can only run straight) and then turned as soon as she could.
All except, all Stark's except Rickon have immense plot armor.
Well she was on a narrow street relative to the size of the tower that was falling. She needed to get to a side street or alley to get out of the way.
They didn’t undo anything about Dany. Every time she gained something it was through violence. Without her advisors keeping her in line she’s gone power crazy.
She isn't power crazy its just her dragons died and they killed her closest friend
Oh. I'll just ignore all her dialogue about saving people and not being the crazy person that would burn down Kings Landing like Cersei said she would.
I mean, I have no problem with it but it wasn't earned. The Mad King had a reason he was the way he was. Her reason? The show writers wanna get started with Star Wars so they slapped the "wrap it up" box on the table.
@@Markadown Actions speak louder than words. Her dialogue has always been of peace, but her actions have always been of slaughter, when not dictated by her advisors. She's always been a deluded tyrant.
@@Markadown her dialogue never matched her actions, all of which had to be steered by her advisors since she first gained power. She always wanted to kill first and ask questions later, The only good thing she really did on her own was free the slaves but that was because of how much she could relate to them and remembering her own past of slavery.
I know right her brother is way more peacefull then her
"This is hip-hop" damnit chris lmao
Lateralusian Couldn’t stop laughing at that lol
😂😂😂
Best line. T-shirt needs to be made "dis is some shit you don't understand...this is hip hop" - Chris
Now that winter has come, House Stark needs a new motto. "We do not zigzag"
hahahahahahah . you made my day
Rickon!
We keep secrets for 10 minutes.
“Many are born, few will live.”
"winter is coming and it's not that bad"
Dany season 7: "I don't want to be queen of the ashes"
Dany season 8: "lol dragon go brrrr"
If Jon burnt down all of Kings landing then I can see your points about it coming out of nowhere and not being expected, but to say this came out of nowhere is ridiculous there were so many signs we just were rooting for it not to happen.
Exactly!!!
If she killed all the innocents and soldiers in the red keep, yea. but the burning the city really didn't make sense given that she already took it. If the bells never rang, the character twist would've felt more earned. That's for sure.
Exactly, all the signs were there. Shit, from season freaking two. They just seem to really love her sooo much that people neglected all of the times they mention and talk about her family going mad, Dany has always been shown to be Ruthless to her "enemies" and she clearly saw the people of King's landing as her enemy, they don't love or know her, they wont follow her. Remember what she said about the tales they would tell her brother about common people singing for his return, the common folk don't know or care about her so she resorted to dominating them with fear.
@@damnson6556 She has been against that BUT she was also totally willing and ready to do it in slaver's bay until Tyrion talked her out of it.
Gang Projects you didn’t look hard enough
Did you guys seriously not see this shit coming? Were you so up with Daenerys that you didn’t see any of the signs of her going crazy? This WAS her character arc. She was never going to peacefully rule Westeros.
Remember when people actually got a thrill out of their favorite characters getting their arcs subverted and cut short in this show? And accepted it as part of the fabric of this narrative?
If you became so invested in Daenerys that the show is now “hot garbage” because you had the wool pulled over your eyes about Daenerys true nature, then you fucked up.
THANK YOU
Nah, the hints were there, but the decent into madness was not shown at all. It was offscreen. That's the problem that needed to be addressed.
The difference is that this is subversion for the sake of it. With Ned or Robb Stark, if you go back, there was more logic. Imo, there's no logic that justifies her killing innocent civilians after they surrendered.
Yes, you can say she there were pieces of her true nature hinted but IT WAS RUSHED. Period. The end. It was fucking rushed. So the impact of what she did just seems so fucking ridiculous
Her becoming the mad queen isn't the problem...it's the execution that's the problem. They literally had double the time to produce this season and THIS is what you do?
You guys dont understand: that brick that hit Cersei was the Valonquar
PROPHECY FULFILLED. You think The Night King got fucked by being killed by a little girl? The fucking show's queen mother got killed by a ceiling.
lul
THEY NEVER INTRODUCED THE VALONQUAR PROPHECY IN THIS SHOW
When you get squashed, you can't breathe anymore...
A brick has no name
This is what I’ve been expecting from Dani for a while.. I’m surprised so many people were surprised. I mean look at her past actions *objectively* , and this actually does continue her arc
Edit: I mean the episodes have been rushed as hell, but the basic plot is pretty much what I thought it would be
I agree with you completely. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this. I loved this episode completely.
The episode was dumb like she killed thousands after she won WTF
I also agree with you. Arcs go from bad to good as well as good to bad. Why people think her arc was destroyed I don’t understand. As recently as the battle of the Bastards Dani wanted to burn down Maureen. Tyrion talked her out of it.
While she has done cruel things in the past, I mean they’ve all been things that rulers have done who aren’t considered “mad”. Like, burning the Tarlys for not bending the knee? That’s pretty damn common in the Middle Ages, forget about the rest of human history. Killing the Masters in Meereen by crucifying them? Rulers we have called “great” have done far worse. These aren’t indicators of madness, it’s just how things used to be done. And when it comes to this episode, cities have always been sacked, raped and pillaged throughout time, so it isn’t outside the norm. The disappointment, at least for me, is that it does in a way throw away most of Dany’s character development since season 1. However, she has lost a lot, and that would make most break down. I just thought that dany, considering all that she’s been thru, would not succumb like your average person.
Hinting is not character development.
There is a long way between ruthless with enemies to maniacal Mad Queen that burn civilians. It’s not what happened, it’s HOW it happened.
I can't believe why people don't see that the whole season is bad writing.
This is not GOT.
PAT IS THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE OF THE GROUP AND I LOVE IT.
@@balabanasireti Oh please. Instead of admitting that Dany is a bad person, everyone else tries to justify or deny it. I'm proud of Pat.
I know this is crazy but I really love what they did with dany. All the way back in season 3 I was like "why does everyone love her? She's kinda crazy." She's a classic bloodthirsty, self righteous conqueror. Crucifying and burning the slave masters with a satisfying look while convincing others (and probably herself) that it was okay because of "justice" or "breaking the wheel." She also showed disgust in the fighting pits while also showing no such disgust when she's the one doing the killing, which goes to show her false sense of morality. I do have some problems with the execution (they could have given more focus on why she abandoned her morality) but saying it was out of character, went against her arc (it was the exact opposite), or came out of nowhere is completely wrong.
And if you don't understand why she went as far as she did, look up the rape of nanking (very nsfl) if you haven't already. Whatever was driving those soldiers is something that I could never understand, as well as most other healthy people. And it's probably the same thing that would be driving dany.
Edit: just noticed the parallel between jon and John Heinrich detlef rabe when he stabbed the northman. Obviously jon isn't on the same moral standing as a literal nazi but it's still a cool parallel.
That's a lot of nonsense there. Garbage like the slave masters have caused insurmountable suffering and deserved all the pain in the world. Killing them with a smile in the face is something any good person would do.
@@antoinebenati8375 I think the only people who's favorite characters was dany were the "yaaas, my queen" types. Very willing to ignore her flaws because of how much they wanted to project. Interesting the a similar thing didn't really happen for arya when she started murdering people.
@@renatoramos8834 If you could seriously crucify thousands of people with a smile on your face you are one sick fuck dude. Seriously seek help immediately.
@@antoinebenati8375 that's fair. I just find it interesting how people were more willing to see Arya's flaws when she started killing and why. Was it because her's were more brutal or was it something to do with her character.
@@renatoramos8834 you have to understand that people can be conditioned to believe that someone is the worst piece of scum that deserves to die, whether it's true or not. If you brutally kill a horde of people then it doesn't matter if they were deserving, you are fucked up.
How did no one see this coming?? I liked Dany but even I knew from the beginning this was going to be the result.
Everybody saw this coming it's just how it all unfolded is the main issue.Its so rushed that it seems almost fake
Season 1: Dany burns Mirri Maz Duur
Season 2: Dany burns the house of the undying
Season 3: Dany burns Astapor
Season 4: Dany crucifies the Masters of Meeren
Season 5: Dany burns Mereenise noblemen
Season 6: Dany burns Vaes Dothrak
Season 7: Dany burns the Wagon Train
Season 8: Dany burns Kings Landing...
Fans: “I did not see it coming”
@@ankur219 it doesn't take long to turn mad, look at actual human history ffs lol
Ankur How though? Dany lost so much so quickly and at this point truly has no one to trust. She was grief-stricken and that let out her ruthless side. After the bells rung, she must of thought it wasn’t enough to cover all of her loss. So she decides it is time to punish her enemies, and let her inner dragon free. She explicitly stated her desire for “burning and laying waste to cities” from season 2. This was the moment when no advisor would convince her other wise.
Ankur true but people are saying they ruined her character which doesn’t make sense to me. It’s definitely rushed, not like they had many episodes to work with, but to say her character is ruined is just ignoring the build up to me. The books will have the same result, GRRM has been building up to this and he has two (I think two?) books to make it better... whenever that may be.
damn the amount of comments here defending this shit really got me thinkin
Fucking tell me about it 😯
Audience in s8e4: please burn them all.
Also Audience in s8e5: why she doing that.
Attack soldiers not civilians, I thought that was pretty obvious
@Master Devoe Yeah but his brother tormented her for years, she fears him before married khal drogo, its like when sansa smile at ramsay death they earned it. But civilians have nothing to do with the war, this is worst than the usa nuke hiroshima and nagasaki, becouse even if they lose the war they didnt surrender at that point they only did it after the nukes. Imagine this is like if usa nuke japan after they surrender, and they nuke germany after they surrender, killing millons of civilians, that is what dany has done. Its the worst war crime she could have done, not even the nazis bombed a city that has already surrender.
@@alan138 Well the Nazis went totally mad and killed millions of Jews for no reason. There is enough madness in history, enough genocide, mass murder, your point isn't really valid.
@Master Devoe he brother wanted to let her be raped by the entire dothraki army, he didn't care if she lived, or died, he just wanted stuff from Drogo, he desered to die, and she enjoyed it, and she was right.
@Master Devoe Her brother threatened to cut her belly open if Drogo didn't give him his army, but you know the worst part is, she actually loved him, she named Viserion in his honor. I don't get where you think she enjoyed it. And i'm totally fine with her becoming a genocidal maniac but she didn't earn it.
I stand with Pat!
I called this when Mad Queen Dany burned the Tarlys back in Season 7 Episode 5.
Choke on this episode Dany-fans :D
RIP homeboy Dickon.
You wouldn't have called her mad had she executed them with a sword, right ?
@@maverickassasin1514 I would have. Fire or not, it's execution.
they refused to surrender or go to the wall , so whats the point of your example of "madness"
Come on are you comparing killing two morons who refused to surrender to commit a genocide ? Well that escalated quickly.
Daenerys burning everyone and everything after they surrender.
Also Daenerys: "Nobody likes me"
🤣☝️
hahaha 😆
I mean she literally just said she no longer wants to be liked or loved and would rather be feared.
"Nobody likes me. I'm going to fuck everyone up now!"
*fucks everyone up*
Audience is shocked for some reason.
"Cersei made me do it"
“ Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath."
Everyone thought Daenerys was the right side of the coin, but she wasn’t, Jon was.
Or is he? :P
Maybe the coin has two heads? Cause every single Targaryen on the show is either loony or obsessive or bloodthirsty. The last 'just' ruler was probably Jaehaerys II. Though in the books there are several noble and honorable Targaryens as well.
jon ain’t shit lmao
Pat was the only one who’s reaction made sense haha its not anger anymore its madness
Everyone seems surprised by her action. She's is Targaryen family motto is fire and blood. What do you except? Crazy family.
It was expected but not in the sloppy way D & D wrote it.
So tell me about Rhaegar, he wasn't crazy, that's bullshit about mad family... There's more good targ's. Educate yourself
Alex - they could have done a better job of developing her descent into the madness that would make her capable of this. All the elements were there but it was developed well.
Agree. I also don’t get the love for Rhaegar. The dude deserted his wife and tiny kids (after totally disrespecting his wife at the Tourney at Harrenhall) , had his marriage annulled which made his little kids bastards, and left his first family to a horrible fate while he ran off with Lyanna without a word to anyone. His dad subsequently burned Lyanna’s dad and brother and would’ve killed Robert and Ned.
The only good Targaryens imho were Master Aemon and Jonno, a boy raised with Ned Stark’s values thankfully, not Rhaegar’s.
@@tatlinsky Rhaegar plunged the realm into a civil war, and even if miraculously Robert's Rebellion was avoided, you'd likely get a war from Dorne, so I wouldn't call him 'not crazy'. Either way there's a reason for the line "Whenever a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin".
Burns people alive every season. Dany burns people alive in Kings Landing.... Why?!?!?!?! Have you even payed attention to this show?
P Aguirre facts
She never burnt innocents in such large numbers. I hate her for doing this to the people.
@@BCS_SyedSahbaHasan but she has killed innocents multiple times before this and people are dumbfounded by what she is doing now. I'm not saying you, hasan, just people in general.
@@BCS_SyedSahbaHasan Innocent??? You mean the people cheering everytime something vicious happens on the streets of Kings Landing? The beheading of Ned? Shame to Cersie? Embracing Cersie and Joffrey at some point or another?
Burning soldiers fighting a war against her is vastly different than burning civilians by the thousands. Have you even paid attention?
Dany said "let it be fear." She decided to punish the folk of Kings Landing. Still processing the episode 2 days later. Definitely enjoyed it though👏
As Olenna said: The people in Westeros won't obey you unless they fear you.
She was the first to suggest Dany needs to be more ruthless instead of loving and caring and here we are.
Can’t rule by fear if there’s no one to rule. I guess she just ignores Jorah that asks of her to not turn like her father. Shit writing and execution.
No days off
Jorah probably could have kept her in line, but w/o her or any trusted advisor she goes with her first instinct. Which since Season 6 has been to burn her enemies and their cities to the ground. Solid writing. 👍
I didn't
No days off there’s 6 other kingdoms but okay
Dany BURNED her way to the top of the food chain and y’all thought on the brink of success she’ll change? She one of the most consistent characters in the show and every time she mentioned taking the throne she talked about burning the city to ash. She didn’t change she wanted to rule by fear. She lost a lot and didn’t trust anything. She did what she finally wanted to do 🤷🏿♂️
Exactly. The look on her face after bells rang showed disappointment that she won't get to burn the city. But then she did it anyways.
Pallavi Singh exactly it was a look of “I’ve done and given up way to much for it to end in surrender” she was pissed.
Dany's character definitely wasn't thrown away. She's had moments building up to this easily.
What moments built up to slaughtering civilians? We've only seen her kill her enemies, not innocent people.
Exactly
Her character arc most definitely was thrown away. She started off wanting to free people, she locked up her dragons for killing one child. You all talk about all the people shes burnt in the past and stuff but none of them were particularly innocent, even the tarlys were given a chance to join her, that was war. THIS was definitely killing innocent people. Nothing daeny has done has ever placed her as crazy enough to just outright kill innocent civilians. I thought if they were going the mad queen route they would have had her burn every lannister soldier even after they won, as in lined them all up when the battle was over and execute them needlessly. That would have been a believable way of showing her as a mad queen. Deciding to kill innocents after the bell of surrender was already rang...yeah not so much.
Dany was always going to be the mad queen.She is the greatest threat to Westeros.
There were a lot of hints of her going mad.
agreed, but they were just hints. her nosedive into just like complete madness was completely unrealistic.
No, there were hints of her being ruthless towards her enemies, like anyone at war.
Never ever were there "hints" of her butchering citizens like this.
Yep, the complaints should be that it’s rushed, not against her character arc.
Anyone who says that she would never do this haven’t been paying attention.
she said so many times that she would burn cities to the ground if needed.
and she lost so much in the last 2 seasons that it was bound to happen
@@MARYWTHER remember when she crucified hundreds of slavers to prove a point? Or randomly fed them to her dragons without knowing if they were guilty? Or her smiles after her dragon burnt people? She has always shown tendencies of it but previously it was kept in check by her advisors.
Most of the Normies apparently weren't paying attention to the past seven seasons. All the signs were there that Dany is utterly ruthless and on the brink of madness. Gray shirt in the middle is the only one who gets it.
I binge wathced the entire show in the last month ,and the signs of that side of her were very clear. The combination of Jorah and Missandei dying left her totally alone, and she snapped. I was not surprised at all. Yes, the last season was a bit rushed, but it is also not the showrunners fault that Martin didnt' provide them the material for the last 2 years.
It kind of amazes me that you guys didn't see this coming. This was always Daenerys' destiny... the Mad Queen. The hints were all laid by George R.R. Martin in the books and in the early seasons.
B Nak yeah GRRM gave them the main points of the ending. Dany going mad is one of them.
yeah but the way they did it in the show was dumb
Revan Ruler I agree that it was somewhat rushed and could’ve done better with more episodes to show the progress and that’s on D&D but I’m not surprised by where this went.
@@revanruler6404 oh I don't disagree that the truncated season has led to abbreviated plot development, but this was always who Dany was destined to be.
B Nak they saw it coming. Everyone saw it coming.
We just didn’t think the writers would have been soo stupid to do it
Stannis the rightful king Doesn't sound so bad now. eh? eh?
He burned his own daughter
maybe... but ANY ruler with a sense of entitlement seems to lead their people into hell eventually...
Stannis was always the rightful king
@@JimNortonsAlcoholism Perhaps. But Dany just burned hundreds and perhaps thousands of people's daughters, around the same age as Shereen. For literally no reason
@@joshjohnson2753 so you would kill youre own daughter go see a doctor
Daenerys season two: “I will take what is mine. With fire and blood I will take it!”
How are people surprised?
cus she developed and changed to be a lot more thoughtful about the things she does and her drive is to protect the innocent sobit doesnt make sense for her to burn innocent people for no reason, she couldve just burned the red keep
Because this was written so badly, probably. People are surprised this actually made it to tv.
Caesar god you people are stupid
Becuase they're Dany loves with selective memories...
"But why?" was my whole reaction to this too. 🤣🤣🤣
As some have pointed out, there is a difference between going "No! Why?!" (like with the Red Wedding, well written but tragic) and going "But why?" (like this episode, both badly written and tragic)