$30k My friend is one of the people that help develop that thing. He said the components & manufacturing process of those components are what drives up the price but he said all in it cost the company about $750 to make after R&D
@@comeandtakem The government does not pay these prices as a security measure. The govt. price plus plus standard (the golden toilet seat phenomenon) is still very much in effect and has been for decades and decades. This is what American institutional corruption looks like. In Russia, and much of the rest of the world, corruption works as follows: If the govt. pays 1 million bucks for munitions, let's say, the people in charge of procuring the munitions will pocket 300,000 and buy only 700,000 in munitions. The storage facilities will then sell off 400,000 more worth of munitions stored, over months or years, and when it comes time to actually supply a fighting unit they can't understand why they are short. In the US, we decide we need 200 million dollars worth of missiles. The contractor in charge of supplying these missiles will "lobby" politicians until they agree that we actually need 300 million dollars worth of missiles to meet defense requirements and then the contractor will say that "Due to cost over runs relating to the amount being more than they were originally asked to produce these missiles will actually cost 350 million in total." A $30K dollar walkie talkie is not a flex, it's a damn shame. The only thing worse is that the original contractor isn't legally allowed to sell it to you and me at a lower price or the govt. can sue them. The OEM for these simply doesn't give a damn about you or me as a customer, and they never did. They are sheisters and cheats sucking off that big 'ol govt. teet. In time a commercial competitor will come along and provide similar performance at a fraction of the cost, but there needs to be a vibrant amateur HAM radio community to attract that business - not just old retired guys tuning in contacts across the world on HF for merit badges.
@@comeandtakem oh yeah lol I have been collecting and fixing modern military radios for sometime now and I know sure as shit that the components can’t be any more than like $350 at most. What definitely drives the price up is they straight up don’t sell to civilians but they do sell to other civilian companies so those companies will use up the radios and then sell their old military radios on eBay for like ridiculous prices.
@@colemorrison8957 so...does anyone make a decent 7pin VIC female connector that runs to a kenwood 2 pin or any other radio connector? I'd really like to get my CVC helmet connected to stuff.
The one thing I can say about the mass distribution of short wave radios is that triangulation will be a bit more difficult if you have to do it to 300 different people, lol. But maybe as a member of the feng gang that's copium from me (it is). I really want to look into something a bit more reasonable like an XTS 2500 or 5000 with encryption. Stuff like frequency hopping and encryption could be helpful from a tactical sense. Everyone needs to integrate a comms plan into their preparedness, even if it means befriending a dedicated commo guy.
Frequency hop is cool and all but if you add anyone to your group it can become a serious hassle trying to get their radio dialed in with what your group already has. There’s something to be said about simplicity and radio discipline
@@seanduncan33 One of the ways I look at it is that things like baofengs shouldn't exist to be a traditional radio in the sense of reporting to higher, giving SALUTE reports, etc. If you're in a position like that you should have more capability. But moreso an action on the objective option. Something for guys who have already initiated contact to use to communicate that supplements screaming over the din of fire. If done right it becomes exponentially more difficult for the enemy to then do things like walk CAS or artillery onto your position, because you're transmitting from their friendly lines already. But that'd be pretty difficult to implement without potentially compromising yourself prior to the assault because maneuvering elements beyond visual range have to be signaled to somehow to initiate. So I don't know. It's all one big larp anyways.
To the average dude they will get the exact same use from a simple Motorola radio then they will with the MPU 5. From my understanding that radio can't do regular regular frequencies so if you have an MPU5 the only people you'd be able to communicate with are Elon Musk and Bill gates as they are the only other people other then Garand Thumb and this channel that can afford one.
You missed the point, the MPU5 really isnt a "radio" in the traditional sense. It works in very high frequencies (in the Ghz range) and is meant to not just transmit voice, its more primarily to transmit high bandwidth data. Watch cameras, Drone feeds (yes, even consumer drones like DJI), have total battlefield awareness using ATAK. ATAK only works over data so a radio cant transmit 1080p video, send pictures, all the things ATAK can do, but operators need to be able to do that "off-grid" considering theres no internet around. The what the MPU5 is. If you only want voice comms and youre looking at MPU5s? Youre looking at the WRONNGGGG "radio"
Naw enduser requirements for NIST FIPS 140-2 140-3 Cryptographic as newer asymmetric radios and narrow data pipes to push pull audio/video and graphics
It's just wifi. The multiple antennas are just MIMO beamforming. You could just strap a linksys router to your back and run some open source mesh software.@@Kaotix_music
@@Kaotix_musicyeah well there's a lot of other options that can transmit data under $1000 and dont require use of a cellular network. But who or why would anyone want to send data? If the SHTF cells will be down in the first hour.
You're thinking about this wrong. Hand out as many fengs as possible to everyone, kids, old ladies, anyone and everyone (theyre 25 bucks ffs). Gov cant drop jdams on every radio signal anymore without being the bad guys.
Totally lost me when you said to leave the baofeng at home because everyone can see you on it, but then proceed to tell everyone to use their cell phone on a cell network to use CivTAK. 👎. Cell phones are tracking devices first and Comms devices second. A Mexican drug cartel setup their own private cell network using Baofeng DMR radios and eluded police for 6 years until their DMR network engineer accidentally got arrested. 🤔
You are better off with a baofeng and a Yagi antenna (and a compass) than just about anything else. You could also try and go Meshtastic but that one works well if you have A LOT of nodes.
I have a garmin fortrex and its absolutely amazing, battery life is insane and it supplements and adds onto a map and compass really well. You can essentially download the entire continent on there and use it without cellular networking etc.
@@james6454 …ATAK/CivTAK is like a Garmin that you can SHARE your location and notes about various locations on your map with friends/teammates. And it allows you to see where all your friends/teammates are in real time as they move. You can also add info about hazards/obstacles, etc
@@james6454 …also with ATAK you can upload photos/videos and tag them to pins on the map. With ATAK you can switch between satellite view and topo maps and other types of maps.
Right. Ordinary people need a radio to send/receive voice and *maybe* PLI (which can be embedded in the voice stream on conventional radios). But to call the MPU5 a "radio" is misleading. Think of it more as a layer 2 (OSI model), wireless networking device. When you turn them on, you get constant TX/RX self-forming, self-healing, mesh-type "MANETs" (Mobile Ad hoc Networks) that have huge bandwidths (like 20-40MHz vs. 5-25KHz in conventional radios) and support hundreds of users. Not to mention MIMO, which is a whole other capability that used to only exist on large, multichannel fixed-systems. The networks perform just like your home internet (full-duplex) and can do simultaneous voice, video, data, and PLI *WITHOUT* the infrastructure of cellular networks or the World Wide Web. The MPU5 *also* has a built-in, Linux-based operating system (Android; Linux kernel) so, it's essentially a computer *and* a very *POWERFUL* wireless router. All in a small-form-factor, ruggedized package that you wear on your kit. It's *ABSOLUTELY OVERKILL* for some AirSofter or even a standard infantry soldier/Marine to have one. Only dudes/dudettes who need mesh networks for their teams and adjacent units, and who do specialized jobs that require things like multiple video streams, situational awareness, numerous voice nets/talk groups, file/imagery transfer, etc. would need or use this. All that being said, MANET is the trend now and *everyone* is making these things. Silvus, Persistent, Trellisware, Rockwell Collins, L3Harris ...you name it. But the MPU5 only does one thing, and it's only approved for Type 3, commercial encryption, which is very good, but the NSA does not sanction the algorithms. On the other hand, you can get a dual-channel radio from another vendor (name deleted to mitigate biased impressions) that does MANET but also has all of the other waveforms that DoD uses, *and* has LPI/LPD built into many of those waveforms *plus* they support Type 1 (NSA certified) and Type 3 encryption. So, these dudes are jumping on the bandwagon of popularity when they really don't understand the full capabilities. They think it's a cool device that gives them voice, video, and PLI. If they wanted to (and they knew how) they could run an entire TOC/Command Post off of one. ...my point is, that there are far better, and more practical options out there for the type of work that is implied in these videos.
Tak is great however the problem is availability of devices that make it work as a mesh network. There are some yes, you either spend the money or build your own. I put alot of time and money in trying to build my own to find if your not a programmer just buy one ready to run out the box.
i need to get into radios more. i dont know shit about these lol. i got a nice long range ham for the family and team to run with but this is something i need to explore
15K for a Silvus dismount kit. Better radio with a better waveform. IMO. Operated a RQ-20B through ATAK alongside an EW sensor network. I’ve seen better range from a Slivus over an MPU in similar environments. Who knows, in the last two years things could have changed. Also I wouldn’t use TAK for serious use outside of MIL/SAR/Public Safety. The back doors aren’t worth it. If you think the Air Force Research Lab wants US “extremists” to have a secure TAK capability, you are misinformed.
While the backdoor to civilian use of ATAK is real, you have nothing to worry about if you arent some "extremist". Its not one of those patriot act backers who say "If youre not a terrorist, then what do you have to hide?" type things. A friend I served with is currently part of still developing ATAK on the government side and while the DoD said theyll release it to the public on the condition they have a backdoor to everyones device running it....theyre not really doing it. They wanted it there incase they ever had to go in and look for a POI that may be using it. I mean, if youre not running ATAK but youre on a Windows computer....windows has a government backdoor built right into it. The government can get into anyones device. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. ATAK on your device wont be any different. Contrary to popular belief....theyre not really spying on everyone. Are the data harvesting? Yes. Absolutely they are. Because the second you come up on a radar? They have all your stuff. Do i think its right? Fuckkkkkk no. But its happening to you right now as we speak without you knowing and were not even talking on ATAK. If youre using ATAK with somehting like an MPU5, youre literally on your own internet. If you remove the cell radio from the device you use it on and run it off something like the MPU5, theyre not gettting in....because youre off the grid. If you would use ATAk wisely, you use it on a phone that has no cell service or never did have service. You never put in a sim, and you remove the cell radio module out of the phone and run it off-grid for "serious use"
Just because one turns on a Baofeng HT, that doesn't mean "everyone knows where you're at". For one, Baofeng HT's are either a dual band or tri band (depending on the model). They cover a large spectrum of radio frequencies. An opposing force would have to scan the frequencies to find any traffic. Radio Frequency tracking takes a long time to do and can only be done with traffic on the frequency in question. Even though a Baofeng is a basic FM Transceiver, it can easily be jammed. That's where Yaesu System Fusion, D-STAR, DMR and other digital modulation protocols come into play. Clear audio with friends or a team and no one with a basic FM Transceiver will come in on the conversation because they don't have the capability to decode the signal. Having friends, family and possibly a team to depend on a cell phone app that requires infrastructure and a data connection is a no go for me. Guess everyone forgot about the bombing at the ATT Building in Nashville a few years ago. Millions of people were without cell phone service for a few days, myself included. But my ID-5100A in my bedroom worked just fine for me. Had communications with friends on local repeaters.
RF tracking does not take a long time with the current SIGINT collection equipment. Considering how wide the bandwidth view is and the software that they run for passive collect, all you’d need is 3 or 4 teams running their own equipment and passive collect missions at the known frequencies in which Fengs transmit. Ever heard of SOT-A and ACT’s? Their whole job is getting a fix on targets who transmit and then DFing them to “walk them down”.
That's if the offending station keeps transmitting, stays on the same frequency, power level and on one radio. Some mobile radios have a cross band repeater function, which can make things harder to find them.
@@pale_2111 harder yes, but with the current equipment and right teams it's not as difficult as you think. Baofengs aren't exactly high-end high-COMSEC radios either, even with all their functionality. If we're talking Harris or Thales radios with legit crypto uploaded on them, then yes it'd be very difficult
@@pale_2111 You have never had anyone hunting your radio, that really wants to find you. I have over 25 years experience hunting radio transmitters. I did RDF as a job, not as a hobby! There are radio systems that can see and record a 20 ghz band spread (or more, that is tech is over 15 years old), and DF or geolocate everything it records. Oh, send a packet, burst transmission or other very short transmission, and you can't be located, I have located transmitters down to 50 meters proximity with a 1 second transmission, then sat on the location until the next transmission. Don't stay in one location? That would only work if you are only moving through the area and are gone. Use spread spectrum, or digital, well those signals can be located. Use digital encryption? Then you automatically attract someones attention who wants to know why you are... etc. Yes, sometimes it takes a while to find each transmitter, but it can be done if you keep transmitting, whether you change frequencies or not. Don't want RDF or geolocation to find you, don't use a radio. I would believe @DJ-fd4qk has a better knowledge of this than you do and it reads like he has more current experience than I do.
That's a chonky boi, much bigger than the MBITR, price certainly reflects that and overall capabilities too lol yeah. ATAK and CIVTAK are solid. I will say though that for whatever reason if cell towers are shut down, destroyed, or otherwise inaccessible, you will need a PACE protocol, and that means various Radios (the 'feng, shortwave, or otherwise) are going to be implemented albeit with extreme discipline in use. Good stuff!!!
Yo civtak is a horrible idea. Depending on the situation. In the worst case, you can be tracked very easily with a cellphone. With a uv5r you can keep it off and only use it strategically when you need it.
@noducks7070 I don’t think you can run the app on a burner phone. Even so it takes a second for it to boot up. Not necessarily the fastest thing turning off and on a phone. Leaves a wider window.
@noducks7070 thyrm makes the dark vault, other companies make a case you can put your phone in and it blocks signal so no need to turn it off I’m sure it’s not 100% but it damn sure enough good enough to get you by, I can place my phone in the dark vault and will not receive a notification or a call until I open the case
Any lock can be picked because it needs to be opened at some point, just like any form of communication has potential to be tracked because you have to use it to reach out to communicate at some point. Nothing is perfect, everything has a tradeoff
Yep you either have to pull the sim card or bag it, bagging it is the only 100% way to know it's not being pinged or tracked in any way, atleast within our US tower networks. Especially if companies were to be helped along into providing simple software updates that upgrade these "phone off" tracking abilities, although this may already be in common circulation. Hard to be sure unless you're good at reading base code and know phone programming specifically well 🤷♂️ It's been a while for most companies since a smart phone with an easily removable battery that could have downloaded maps etc. stored on. So it's either flip phone, Samsung S5 era, or buy a Faraday bag for all your signature devices just to be safe if something went 0-100... Quality ones are less than $100, functional ones 1/3 of that, and they can help your keyless entry system from draining your newer vehicle batteries if you happen to store your keys nearby and don't drive often. Oh by the way talking of signature reduction and tracking don't forget about your late model vehicles having anything from 2000's on-star to factory GPS/sim card tower network capabilities on newer vehicles! This can all be disabled permanently on many vehicles, but certain brands and models of newer vehicles will make this a critical system within some module and probably prevent starting on most mid-level and up vehicles eventually... Just something else to consider. Maybe keep that old mechanical pump diesel POS after all instead of buying the next special color of TRD Tacoma or 4Runner ... 🤔 😂👍
So is this just basically a handheld blueforce tracker utilizing a similar network? We used 3 forms of comms for every mission. I would imagine contractors fix and upgrade the system software pretty cool
This is a very nice $1000 radio. And then they wanted to sell to the government, so they slapped a 0 onto the price. And multiplied it with 3 for good measure, so they can tell the DoD that they get them for special bulk prices if they order a lot for $20k. Everybody who has ever been anywhere near government contracting know this is the truth.
Turning on a radio doesn’t tell anyone where you are… it’s passive, you have to transmit something for people to know where you are… and your phone is always transmitting. Also there is a ton of features missing on civtac probably about 50% and non of the plugins work.
The cool thing about these though is when you try and DF them all you see is WIFI routers if they are set up correctly. Now out in a field this may look odd but in an urban environment this is super benificial
Question? What's the total weight of the whole kit? Doe Bose make a pair of those headphones? Is it possible to make a all in 1? For example just 1 pair of headphones that does all? How's all this against the rain or salt water? Can someone else listen into the conversation? What about against a EMP? Essentially glorified walkie talkies?
Why would anyone want this in a SHTF scenario? The first thing to go will be cellular services. Civ Tech will be worthless. Yeah ur right about 1 thing uhf n vhf everyone will hear what you are saying. But in that type of scenario know body who knows anything will be using those comms. Laws won't apply train with a $25 baofang, but buy ur real com systems now, and keep them stored.
God help anyone who is dependent on an MPU5 during a real battle situation. During practice and peacetime, it is a great radio. I’d say it is a great radio for fire/rescue depts and police as well. A kid in HS with a wide-band SDR can jam the MPU5 inside of a few minutes. Same with any end user device like a cell phone, or radio that uses commercial frequencies, cell sites, repeaters and such. If I’m put in charge of an official situation, I want a radio that lets me decide what frequency and what mode. And finally, it must have internal type 1. Otherwise, go away and find someone else that will buy it.
Just like your phone has five cameras on it now, your radio in a few years will have five antennae, and if you have four you'll be mocked by your mates. I'm ahead of the game, I'm hot glue gunning twenty antenna to my UV5R, you peasants can't imagine my awesome radio powers.
If you’re military. These make sense. If you’re just a regular guy they don’t. One, you can only communicate with others that have them. Which isn’t going to be a lot of people. Two, unless you’re running a military operation you’re not going to use it to its full potential- you could run a TOC off these. Third, the baofengs are just cheaper, more popular and easier for the average joe to use. Even a cb radio would be a better idea then these.
Using packet radio with dmr would do the same for $600 max including the radio, cabling and the phone. They cost so much because it's meant for the government who are filthy rich
A few years ago i picked up a load of stainless steel nuts bolts washers in bags packed in boxes bout the size of yer fist, bound for some foreign desert during a rather large “skirmish” involving a butt load of people from a bunch of different countries. So I get to Ft. Hood, and they refuse the whole load but pay us to haul it back to the guvmnt contractor. A few weeks later i get called to haul the same load again from A2B. Only this time Ft. Hood accepted the load. Turns out, there was a miscommunication regarding the “packaging” part of the large hardware order, instead of “bags in boxes” the “GUVMNT” wanted each & every single nut, bolt & washer to be in its very own tiny little plastic bag, and then a designated amount of bags were placed in each 📦 box before it shipped. Silly? Yes until they told me that those bags in boxens were bound for the “foreign deserts” and it was all about not letting sand get into the threads. That way the mechanic in the desert could control when the bag gets torn open during repairs instead of having a bunch of sand covered nuts & bolts. So I totally agree with mil spec standards when it comes to protecting our troops. And for the vets out there?!? Thank you for your service to our country. 🙏🏻❤️🇺🇸
yes, Itak is just the iphone version. Which kinda sucks compared to the legacy ATAK version. But both talk to eachother, ITAK just has much less features
@@LastAmericanOutlaw it’s a good product for sure, but I don’t see this being fit for use against an advanced opponent. Also, MIMO OFDM sounds a lot like WiFi physical layer
@@ForwardObservations hahaha what a joke. networking wise? Sure. But using a decade old 802.11 SOC that can't even do beamforming, slapping some freq shifters on it, and selling it as a viable radio for contested environments should be actually criminal.
yes, you can't think of the radio as a radio. Think it as a node. So there are larger antenna systems that you would place a mpu5 on top of a truck. or you could raise one on a mast.
The MPU5 is a good radio but not as good as other L3Harris MANET radios. This is coming directly from someone who is currently supporting operators. And its not me. The MPU5 is an older radio that is being phased out.
Overinflated price for our overinflated defense budget to buy. Same reason Sig is releasing a red dot at $3800. Going over a system like this on a civilian 2A channel is just coolguy operator bait. It's a nonstarter for 99% of us out there looking for practical comms to work with. And I say this as a big fan of the channel.
How does one even get into the coms world specially from a preps perspective. I hear so much about radios and coms that I don’t even know what to start 🤣
Im in the same boat, knowledge is power and so many radios out there are either popular but not so good, or they are really good and cost as much as a kidney. I havent seen a middle ground. I want a Radio or mesh network that has good security, range, and decent price. I dpnt think thats too much to asl for. Only issue is shit like that is under government contract, and you damn well the government doesnt want to empower the people.
I got to say, it was a great review video but the black background and surrounding makes everything so insanely hard to see in the video. Might want to go with something of a lighter colored backdrop for a future video?
@@standby_official yes, I've worked with 163, and am aware of that (sorry if this sounds snide or assholish. not trying to be.) but I was trying to get more comparative information more on the mpu 5. outside of just voice and data capes
163 is a different type of radio and more well rounded. The MPU5 is a single waveform equipped radio with the wave relay waveform. Wave Relay is a data focused single freq waveform with incredible bandwidth and node count(the amount of active members). The 163 can do Normal VULOS(single channel unencrypted or encrypted!), Sincgars, Havequick I and II, HPW, SCM, eBFT, P25, IW I and II, SBT, Saturn, ANW2, SRW, MUOS, TSM, Wraith and Phantom and can support additional mission module to get ISR feed. The 163 is also a dual RT system. 2 Radios in the size of one so you can work 2 seperated waveforms at the same time. TSM is the most comparable mode to Wave Relay, TSM only supports 10mbps and 800 users. High bandwidth isnt that important for most ground soldiers, only need PLI and low level messages, sometimes sharing pictures and very rarely video. There is a already more than a dozen or so radios that support TSM from multiple different MFG. At 10:18 the presenter said that everybody can find you if your using an entry level radio like a baofeng, this is the same case for the MPU5 1000% since its not a frequency hopping radio and the MPU5 would be even easier to find compared to a baofeng since the MPU5 is constantly passing other singles through you as it acts a repeater. With atleast a baofeng you have some control over the radio when to push radio signals or not. If your worried about being direction found you need a ECCM hopping radio that uses waveforms like Sincgars, Havequick, Quicklook, Wraith, Phantom, Vapor or Vanguard.
Don’t get caught slipping with a Baofeng , their great for hunting and lazy Wife’s that don’t like to getting out of bed while your working in the Garage 😎🇺🇸🤙🏽
Interesting. Not a criticism, but, doesn't fit my needs. The GPS is a deal breaker for me. If I'm in an uncivil situation the last thing I want is to broadcast my location. Hackers, just saying. If it is made it will be hacked.
This radio isnt really for civilians (although you CAN buy one...if youre rich lmao) but it doesnt matter. You have a cell phone that has GPS. Cell phones dont use cell towers to give you GPS, they have actual GPS modules. Youre on the internet, your data is being harvest somewhere. No matte what you do. MPU5 or not. ATAK or not. People will know where you are unless youre 100% off-grid
youre shilling against radios but telling people to use a cellphone network reliant on towers? easiest way to find a guy is going to be pinging cellphone towers my guy. no ill stick with low power DMR or analog radios. its not as simple as you push to talk and youre immediately triangulated, even with an omni directional antenna. with a directional antenna its even more difficult.
I think you took this video wrong. So many people have the mpu5 on their stuff I thought people may like to see it and have some small details on it. Most people never get the opportunity. That’s all.
@@Super61a I suppose that depends on who is your advocacy. Is it the usg ? Another major g? Is it a Teir unit ? If so if you have a ham as soon as it’s on they know your there. PS is a bit harder as it can be 1 radio but make you think there is 200. But if it’s the local le or country folk ya.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw if you meen on transmit then yea. but theyre not going to triangulate your position on a 5 second TX. they might, if theyre actively listening get a general direction. which in itself may be enough. your logic makes sense I just firmly believe theres much more to it than that.
@@Super61a ya man listen I am new to the como world, I started for work in November, the learning curve is massive. Massive. I don’t pretend to know anything. I am just leading at the highest level we have as a country. Only thing I know is ham, and cellphone especially Bluetooth is child’s play for them.
If we are running our beofeng in any scenario other than the house aren’t we connected to a headset just like any other radio when you turn it on you’re going to hear it through your headset please don’t think we’re dumb enough to run radios with speakers blaring ,come on man some of us have been hunting since we were able to walk, We know what we’re doing in the woods
It has nothing to do woth the speaker and everything to do with the bands the frequency from a UV5R is widely used and easy to decrypt. Sure, if someone is close to you, theyll hear the Radio without a headset. That is avoidable what isnt avoidable is the trained Radio operator who can pin point ypur exact location just from you turning on your Radio. The MPU5 is expensive not only because of government contract, but also because it can much more than just talk to your buddies. Its not even a Radio, its a mesh network meant to ve used with other mpu5 meshs. Its meant to send and recieve voice and data simultaniously. The whole "kit" for a Single operator is 37k cause that includes the MPU5, ATAK, and PTT. Im not too familiar with radios and mesh Networks, but i do know that your uv5r is not a good Radio at all. No security, and can only transfer voice. In todays World, youd be better off yelling to your buddy across a field to get information across rsther than using that thing.
Your last point doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you are fighting an adversary that is capable of easier radio direction finding you, then your chance of having cell service is slim. Gotta go LoRa mesh network with civtak
Nothing is secure, so why waste 30k on something when you can just have a few cheapo radios. That's better than most people in a SHTF, and you can afford to lose it. In a civilian vs government situation you don't want a literal GPS tracker on you
@indoorkite651 spot on. If I'm worried about being tracked by big brother I'm not transmitting anything on any device, especially THEIR Gucci radio with GPS. It probably has a backdoor built-in for them to easily find me. For every other realistic situation the cheap Baofeng will do just fine to keep me in touch with my people.
@@coreysheckler4777 yep that’s why everyone hates the 163 and is moving on o the mpu5 And civtak is the same thing minus ordnance basically. And the 163 is about same price.
Hes talking about baofang being licated but days use your phone GPS? Not being a dick I'm really trying to cime up w a solution. Heard DTR radios arent licated easily. No way to know how true that is.
Not 30k because its worth that. 30k because its supposed to be bought with tax dollars.
The sad truth
Gotta finance the black projects somehow
@@Jump-n-smash that's what drugs are for.
Linning the pockets of arms manufactures with contracts is just the icing on the cake
Just like GPNVGs which don't actually cost more than 12k
Facts…
$30k My friend is one of the people that help develop that thing. He said the components & manufacturing process of those components are what drives up the price but he said all in it cost the company about $750 to make after R&D
Thats just proof that they dont want the normal civilian owning them
@@comeandtakem The government does not pay these prices as a security measure. The govt. price plus plus standard (the golden toilet seat phenomenon) is still very much in effect and has been for decades and decades. This is what American institutional corruption looks like. In Russia, and much of the rest of the world, corruption works as follows: If the govt. pays 1 million bucks for munitions, let's say, the people in charge of procuring the munitions will pocket 300,000 and buy only 700,000 in munitions. The storage facilities will then sell off 400,000 more worth of munitions stored, over months or years, and when it comes time to actually supply a fighting unit they can't understand why they are short.
In the US, we decide we need 200 million dollars worth of missiles. The contractor in charge of supplying these missiles will "lobby" politicians until they agree that we actually need 300 million dollars worth of missiles to meet defense requirements and then the contractor will say that "Due to cost over runs relating to the amount being more than they were originally asked to produce these missiles will actually cost 350 million in total."
A $30K dollar walkie talkie is not a flex, it's a damn shame. The only thing worse is that the original contractor isn't legally allowed to sell it to you and me at a lower price or the govt. can sue them. The OEM for these simply doesn't give a damn about you or me as a customer, and they never did. They are sheisters and cheats sucking off that big 'ol govt. teet. In time a commercial competitor will come along and provide similar performance at a fraction of the cost, but there needs to be a vibrant amateur HAM radio community to attract that business - not just old retired guys tuning in contacts across the world on HF for merit badges.
@@comeandtakem oh yeah lol
I have been collecting and fixing modern military radios for sometime now and I know sure as shit that the components can’t be any more than like $350 at most.
What definitely drives the price up is they straight up don’t sell to civilians but they do sell to other civilian companies so those companies will use up the radios and then sell their old military radios on eBay for like ridiculous prices.
The price is pretty obviously a result of government contract bidding. This is foul, and taxpayers are paying for inflated bullsht
@@colemorrison8957 so...does anyone make a decent 7pin VIC female connector that runs to a kenwood 2 pin or any other radio connector? I'd really like to get my CVC helmet connected to stuff.
The one thing I can say about the mass distribution of short wave radios is that triangulation will be a bit more difficult if you have to do it to 300 different people, lol. But maybe as a member of the feng gang that's copium from me (it is). I really want to look into something a bit more reasonable like an XTS 2500 or 5000 with encryption. Stuff like frequency hopping and encryption could be helpful from a tactical sense. Everyone needs to integrate a comms plan into their preparedness, even if it means befriending a dedicated commo guy.
I’ll be your huckleberry! K5EDG See the DTR radios!
Frequency hop is cool and all but if you add anyone to your group it can become a serious hassle trying to get their radio dialed in with what your group already has. There’s something to be said about simplicity and radio discipline
@@seanduncan33 One of the ways I look at it is that things like baofengs shouldn't exist to be a traditional radio in the sense of reporting to higher, giving SALUTE reports, etc. If you're in a position like that you should have more capability. But moreso an action on the objective option. Something for guys who have already initiated contact to use to communicate that supplements screaming over the din of fire. If done right it becomes exponentially more difficult for the enemy to then do things like walk CAS or artillery onto your position, because you're transmitting from their friendly lines already. But that'd be pretty difficult to implement without potentially compromising yourself prior to the assault because maneuvering elements beyond visual range have to be signaled to somehow to initiate. So I don't know. It's all one big larp anyways.
Fengs are one of those few items coming from China that don't suck.
Well 300 people in a unit but not so good for recce and snooping about with a small group
To the average dude they will get the exact same use from a simple Motorola radio then they will with the MPU 5. From my understanding that radio can't do regular regular frequencies so if you have an MPU5 the only people you'd be able to communicate with are Elon Musk and Bill gates as they are the only other people other then Garand Thumb and this channel that can afford one.
You missed the point, the MPU5 really isnt a "radio" in the traditional sense. It works in very high frequencies (in the Ghz range) and is meant to not just transmit voice, its more primarily to transmit high bandwidth data. Watch cameras, Drone feeds (yes, even consumer drones like DJI), have total battlefield awareness using ATAK. ATAK only works over data so a radio cant transmit 1080p video, send pictures, all the things ATAK can do, but operators need to be able to do that "off-grid" considering theres no internet around. The what the MPU5 is. If you only want voice comms and youre looking at MPU5s? Youre looking at the WRONNGGGG "radio"
Naw enduser requirements for NIST FIPS 140-2 140-3 Cryptographic as newer asymmetric radios and narrow data pipes to push pull audio/video and graphics
It's just wifi. The multiple antennas are just MIMO beamforming. You could just strap a linksys router to your back and run some open source mesh software.@@Kaotix_music
@@Kaotix_musicyeah well there's a lot of other options that can transmit data under $1000 and dont require use of a cellular network. But who or why would anyone want to send data? If the SHTF cells will be down in the first hour.
@@shanestamball1886 to use ATAK...thats what the device is built around and it seems that was not very well translated or described in this video.
You're thinking about this wrong. Hand out as many fengs as possible to everyone, kids, old ladies, anyone and everyone (theyre 25 bucks ffs). Gov cant drop jdams on every radio signal anymore without being the bad guys.
Totally lost me when you said to leave the baofeng at home because everyone can see you on it, but then proceed to tell everyone to use their cell phone on a cell network to use CivTAK. 👎. Cell phones are tracking devices first and Comms devices second. A Mexican drug cartel setup their own private cell network using Baofeng DMR radios and eluded police for 6 years until their DMR network engineer accidentally got arrested. 🤔
You are better off with a baofeng and a Yagi antenna (and a compass) than just about anything else. You could also try and go Meshtastic but that one works well if you have A LOT of nodes.
I have a garmin fortrex and its absolutely amazing, battery life is insane and it supplements and adds onto a map and compass really well. You can essentially download the entire continent on there and use it without cellular networking etc.
@@james6454 …ATAK/CivTAK is like a Garmin that you can SHARE your location and notes about various locations on your map with friends/teammates. And it allows you to see where all your friends/teammates are in real time as they move. You can also add info about hazards/obstacles, etc
@@james6454 …also with ATAK you can upload photos/videos and tag them to pins on the map. With ATAK you can switch between satellite view and topo maps and other types of maps.
He also stressed the legality of using civTAK while presenting as an outlaw. Baofeng is $30 once, cell service is $30 per month.
Right. Ordinary people need a radio to send/receive voice and *maybe* PLI (which can be embedded in the voice stream on conventional radios). But to call the MPU5 a "radio" is misleading. Think of it more as a layer 2 (OSI model), wireless networking device. When you turn them on, you get constant TX/RX self-forming, self-healing, mesh-type "MANETs" (Mobile Ad hoc Networks) that have huge bandwidths (like 20-40MHz vs. 5-25KHz in conventional radios) and support hundreds of users. Not to mention MIMO, which is a whole other capability that used to only exist on large, multichannel fixed-systems. The networks perform just like your home internet (full-duplex) and can do simultaneous voice, video, data, and PLI *WITHOUT* the infrastructure of cellular networks or the World Wide Web. The MPU5 *also* has a built-in, Linux-based operating system (Android; Linux kernel) so, it's essentially a computer *and* a very *POWERFUL* wireless router. All in a small-form-factor, ruggedized package that you wear on your kit. It's *ABSOLUTELY OVERKILL* for some AirSofter or even a standard infantry soldier/Marine to have one. Only dudes/dudettes who need mesh networks for their teams and adjacent units, and who do specialized jobs that require things like multiple video streams, situational awareness, numerous voice nets/talk groups, file/imagery transfer, etc. would need or use this. All that being said, MANET is the trend now and *everyone* is making these things. Silvus, Persistent, Trellisware, Rockwell Collins, L3Harris ...you name it. But the MPU5 only does one thing, and it's only approved for Type 3, commercial encryption, which is very good, but the NSA does not sanction the algorithms. On the other hand, you can get a dual-channel radio from another vendor (name deleted to mitigate biased impressions) that does MANET but also has all of the other waveforms that DoD uses, *and* has LPI/LPD built into many of those waveforms *plus* they support Type 1 (NSA certified) and Type 3 encryption. So, these dudes are jumping on the bandwagon of popularity when they really don't understand the full capabilities. They think it's a cool device that gives them voice, video, and PLI. If they wanted to (and they knew how) they could run an entire TOC/Command Post off of one. ...my point is, that there are far better, and more practical options out there for the type of work that is implied in these videos.
so it kinda sounds like a more powerful version of meshtastic with lora devices.
Tak is great however the problem is availability of devices that make it work as a mesh network. There are some yes, you either spend the money or build your own. I put alot of time and money in trying to build my own to find if your not a programmer just buy one ready to run out the box.
That sounds just like a mesh network with a whole Lotta salesmanship…
i need to get into radios more. i dont know shit about these lol. i got a nice long range ham for the family and team to run with but this is something i need to explore
Started following you last night . I enjoyed theNuke our parks session
Thanks
If you're paying $30k for an MPU-5, you are getting fleeced, lol.
Well that’s retail for a dismount kit
Except that’s how much they cost
15K for a Silvus dismount kit. Better radio with a better waveform. IMO. Operated a RQ-20B through ATAK alongside an EW sensor network. I’ve seen better range from a Slivus over an MPU in similar environments. Who knows, in the last two years things could have changed.
Also I wouldn’t use TAK for serious use outside of MIL/SAR/Public Safety. The back doors aren’t worth it. If you think the Air Force Research Lab wants US “extremists” to have a secure TAK capability, you are misinformed.
While the backdoor to civilian use of ATAK is real, you have nothing to worry about if you arent some "extremist". Its not one of those patriot act backers who say "If youre not a terrorist, then what do you have to hide?" type things. A friend I served with is currently part of still developing ATAK on the government side and while the DoD said theyll release it to the public on the condition they have a backdoor to everyones device running it....theyre not really doing it. They wanted it there incase they ever had to go in and look for a POI that may be using it. I mean, if youre not running ATAK but youre on a Windows computer....windows has a government backdoor built right into it. The government can get into anyones device. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. ATAK on your device wont be any different. Contrary to popular belief....theyre not really spying on everyone. Are the data harvesting? Yes. Absolutely they are. Because the second you come up on a radar? They have all your stuff. Do i think its right? Fuckkkkkk no. But its happening to you right now as we speak without you knowing and were not even talking on ATAK.
If youre using ATAK with somehting like an MPU5, youre literally on your own internet. If you remove the cell radio from the device you use it on and run it off something like the MPU5, theyre not gettting in....because youre off the grid. If you would use ATAk wisely, you use it on a phone that has no cell service or never did have service. You never put in a sim, and you remove the cell radio module out of the phone and run it off-grid for "serious use"
Any secure replacements to ATAK?
@@kuzadupa185 If you understand the government the way i know the government....absolutely nothing is secure
AFRL made this?
Silvius is garbage. Don’t ask me how I know
“When you turn it on they know where you are”
Promotes an app that needs a working smart phone lol
Otherwise great vid
Right? Like what the fuck else are us normal humans supposed to do and use lol.
he said that they are using Tactical Samsung, which kind says it all - it works differently than regular cellphone.
Just because one turns on a Baofeng HT, that doesn't mean "everyone knows where you're at".
For one, Baofeng HT's are either a dual band or tri band (depending on the model). They cover a large spectrum of radio frequencies. An opposing force would have to scan the frequencies to find any traffic. Radio Frequency tracking takes a long time to do and can only be done with traffic on the frequency in question.
Even though a Baofeng is a basic FM Transceiver, it can easily be jammed. That's where Yaesu System Fusion, D-STAR, DMR and other digital modulation protocols come into play. Clear audio with friends or a team and no one with a basic FM Transceiver will come in on the conversation because they don't have the capability to decode the signal.
Having friends, family and possibly a team to depend on a cell phone app that requires infrastructure and a data connection is a no go for me.
Guess everyone forgot about the bombing at the ATT Building in Nashville a few years ago. Millions of people were without cell phone service for a few days, myself included. But my ID-5100A in my bedroom worked just fine for me. Had communications with friends on local repeaters.
RF tracking does not take a long time with the current SIGINT collection equipment. Considering how wide the bandwidth view is and the software that they run for passive collect, all you’d need is 3 or 4 teams running their own equipment and passive collect missions at the known frequencies in which Fengs transmit. Ever heard of SOT-A and ACT’s? Their whole job is getting a fix on targets who transmit and then DFing them to “walk them down”.
That's if the offending station keeps transmitting, stays on the same frequency, power level and on one radio. Some mobile radios have a cross band repeater function, which can make things harder to find them.
@@pale_2111 harder yes, but with the current equipment and right teams it's not as difficult as you think. Baofengs aren't exactly high-end high-COMSEC radios either, even with all their functionality. If we're talking Harris or Thales radios with legit crypto uploaded on them, then yes it'd be very difficult
@@pale_2111 You have never had anyone hunting your radio, that really wants to find you. I have over 25 years experience hunting radio transmitters. I did RDF as a job, not as a hobby! There are radio systems that can see and record a 20 ghz band spread (or more, that is tech is over 15 years old), and DF or geolocate everything it records. Oh, send a packet, burst transmission or other very short transmission, and you can't be located, I have located transmitters down to 50 meters proximity with a 1 second transmission, then sat on the location until the next transmission. Don't stay in one location? That would only work if you are only moving through the area and are gone. Use spread spectrum, or digital, well those signals can be located. Use digital encryption? Then you automatically attract someones attention who wants to know why you are... etc.
Yes, sometimes it takes a while to find each transmitter, but it can be done if you keep transmitting, whether you change frequencies or not. Don't want RDF or geolocation to find you, don't use a radio.
I would believe @DJ-fd4qk has a better knowledge of this than you do and it reads like he has more current experience than I do.
@@RetiredRadioChaser turns out buying a single feng doesn't make you an expert on modern day SIGINT and EW
SMF collective all the way babyyy💪🔥❗️❗️❗️
What happens when/if internet connection is cut? Will the CivTAK be rendered useless? What is a way to compensate for this risk?
Yes and no one really seems to have a decent solution. You get better offline maps data thorough OSMAND+ than ITAK.
Imo everyone running a good garmin with maps downloaded on there and good coms is perfectly fine.
That's a chonky boi, much bigger than the MBITR, price certainly reflects that and overall capabilities too lol yeah.
ATAK and CIVTAK are solid. I will say though that for whatever reason if cell towers are shut down, destroyed, or otherwise inaccessible, you will need a PACE protocol, and that means various Radios (the 'feng, shortwave, or otherwise) are going to be implemented albeit with extreme discipline in use.
Good stuff!!!
Bro let’s do a video together
@@LastAmericanOutlaw I'm game for that brother! Where you located again?
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary Texas you.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw Oh nice, I used to live there for a few years as a kid, got family down there too. I'm in Wisconsin now lol
It's the same exact size as an mbitr
Yo civtak is a horrible idea. Depending on the situation. In the worst case, you can be tracked very easily with a cellphone. With a uv5r you can keep it off and only use it strategically when you need it.
@noducks7070 I don’t think you can run the app on a burner phone. Even so it takes a second for it to boot up. Not necessarily the fastest thing turning off and on a phone. Leaves a wider window.
@noducks7070 thyrm makes the dark vault, other companies make a case you can put your phone in and it blocks signal so no need to turn it off I’m sure it’s not 100% but it damn sure enough good enough to get you by, I can place my phone in the dark vault and will not receive a notification or a call until I open the case
Any lock can be picked because it needs to be opened at some point, just like any form of communication has potential to be tracked because you have to use it to reach out to communicate at some point. Nothing is perfect, everything has a tradeoff
Faraday bag
Yep you either have to pull the sim card or bag it, bagging it is the only 100% way to know it's not being pinged or tracked in any way, atleast within our US tower networks. Especially if companies were to be helped along into providing simple software updates that upgrade these "phone off" tracking abilities, although this may already be in common circulation. Hard to be sure unless you're good at reading base code and know phone programming specifically well 🤷♂️ It's been a while for most companies since a smart phone with an easily removable battery that could have downloaded maps etc. stored on. So it's either flip phone, Samsung S5 era, or buy a Faraday bag for all your signature devices just to be safe if something went 0-100... Quality ones are less than $100, functional ones 1/3 of that, and they can help your keyless entry system from draining your newer vehicle batteries if you happen to store your keys nearby and don't drive often. Oh by the way talking of signature reduction and tracking don't forget about your late model vehicles having anything from 2000's on-star to factory GPS/sim card tower network capabilities on newer vehicles! This can all be disabled permanently on many vehicles, but certain brands and models of newer vehicles will make this a critical system within some module and probably prevent starting on most mid-level and up vehicles eventually... Just something else to consider. Maybe keep that old mechanical pump diesel POS after all instead of buying the next special color of TRD Tacoma or 4Runner ... 🤔 😂👍
CivTak: you can see where eachothers are... AKA Civilian Trak, so big brother can too!
So is this just basically a handheld blueforce tracker utilizing a similar network? We used 3 forms of comms for every mission. I would imagine contractors fix and upgrade the system software pretty cool
Simply put. Ya
no this is not even close to a handheld blue force tracker.
This is a very nice $1000 radio.
And then they wanted to sell to the government, so they slapped a 0 onto the price. And multiplied it with 3 for good measure, so they can tell the DoD that they get them for special bulk prices if they order a lot for $20k. Everybody who has ever been anywhere near government contracting know this is the truth.
Eurofighter typhoon helmets are £120000. Which is why most pilots refuse to sign for them.
Turning on a radio doesn’t tell anyone where you are… it’s passive, you have to transmit something for people to know where you are… and your phone is always transmitting. Also there is a ton of features missing on civtac probably about 50% and non of the plugins work.
The cool thing about these though is when you try and DF them all you see is WIFI routers if they are set up correctly. Now out in a field this may look odd but in an urban environment this is super benificial
A video about CivTak would be a cool idea for a future video
Question?
What's the total weight of the whole kit?
Doe Bose make a pair of those headphones?
Is it possible to make a all in 1? For example just 1 pair of headphones that does all?
How's all this against the rain or salt water?
Can someone else listen into the conversation?
What about against a EMP?
Essentially glorified walkie talkies?
Jokes on you. I don't have any friends to communicate with.
Have you integrated fusion night vision with that system? And if so is it worth it
Ya we are trying still. Not easy but we are trying. When it works it’s cool but almost to much info.
*Turns on an SC4200 on the same center freq and fratricides your network*
Why would anyone want this in a SHTF scenario? The first thing to go will be cellular services. Civ Tech will be worthless. Yeah ur right about 1 thing uhf n vhf everyone will hear what you are saying. But in that type of scenario know body who knows anything will be using those comms. Laws won't apply train with a $25 baofang, but buy ur real com systems now, and keep them stored.
Smoke signals are free. 💨
I love how everybody's stocked up on all this cool gear don't forget that's not your gear that's our gear.
who are you? negan? the saviours? get real bozo 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
That’s definitely the government’s gear not ours if that’s what you’re saying😂
God help anyone who is dependent on an MPU5 during a real battle situation. During practice and peacetime, it is a great radio. I’d say it is a great radio for fire/rescue depts and police as well. A kid in HS with a wide-band SDR can jam the MPU5 inside of a few minutes. Same with any end user device like a cell phone, or radio that uses commercial frequencies, cell sites, repeaters and such. If I’m put in charge of an official situation, I want a radio that lets me decide what frequency and what mode. And finally, it must have internal type 1. Otherwise, go away and find someone else that will buy it.
hey big guy! get the spiritus systems cummerbund witht tubes and the AXL velcro tube parts that go with it... will make your jpc on crack
Just like your phone has five cameras on it now, your radio in a few years will have five antennae, and if you have four you'll be mocked by your mates. I'm ahead of the game, I'm hot glue gunning twenty antenna to my UV5R, you peasants can't imagine my awesome radio powers.
If you’re military. These make sense. If you’re just a regular guy they don’t. One, you can only communicate with others that have them. Which isn’t going to be a lot of people. Two, unless you’re running a military operation you’re not going to use it to its full potential- you could run a TOC off these. Third, the baofengs are just cheaper, more popular and easier for the average joe to use. Even a cb radio would be a better idea then these.
I’ve been seeing them on “Forward Observations” videos in their work in Ukraine and Syria
Using packet radio with dmr would do the same for $600 max including the radio, cabling and the phone. They cost so much because it's meant for the government who are filthy rich
So I have a question. Can you show how to set up civitak or atak ?
Do you have a PRC-E7?
A few years ago i picked up a load of stainless steel nuts bolts washers in bags packed in boxes bout the size of yer fist, bound for some foreign desert during a rather large “skirmish” involving a butt load of people from a bunch of different countries. So I get to Ft. Hood, and they refuse the whole load but pay us to haul it back to the guvmnt contractor. A few weeks later i get called to haul the same load again from A2B. Only this time Ft. Hood accepted the load. Turns out, there was a miscommunication regarding the “packaging” part of the large hardware order, instead of “bags in boxes” the “GUVMNT” wanted each & every single nut, bolt & washer to be in its very own tiny little plastic bag, and then a designated amount of bags were placed in each 📦 box before it shipped. Silly? Yes until they told me that those bags in boxens were bound for the “foreign deserts” and it was all about not letting sand get into the threads. That way the mechanic in the desert could control when the bag gets torn open during repairs instead of having a bunch of sand covered nuts & bolts. So I totally agree with mil spec standards when it comes to protecting our troops. And for the vets out there?!? Thank you for your service to our country. 🙏🏻❤️🇺🇸
Is CivTak the same as ITak?
yes, Itak is just the iphone version. Which kinda sucks compared to the legacy ATAK version. But both talk to eachother, ITAK just has much less features
Picked up mine yesterday. Trying to figure out how to play snake on it?
😂
Im gov supervisor, we buy items from ebuy with gov credit card. Everything is like 3x more then amazon price, sad truth
Typical "check out my expensive kit while I ignore the obvious practical problems with my recommendations"
I have other options to look
Whats the range of these?
You're right I can't afford it but I can make it. And I can make it so the government can't track me.
Awesome hopefully you share the knowledge and post a video of the build to the tube 👍
Good luck with that loo
**gets call from bank**
Cool when shit hits the fan aim for that dude.
Exactly
From what I can tell, this radio doesn’t have FHSS. Not a very good idea if your enemy has EW capabilities
It doesn’t, but it’s the best we have to offer.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw it’s a good product for sure, but I don’t see this being fit for use against an advanced opponent. Also, MIMO OFDM sounds a lot like WiFi physical layer
English please? EW capabilities??
@@Ricktheprick10 electronic warfare
What would you recommend instead then
MPU5? Old news. Silvus StreamCaster is the new hotness!!!
@@ForwardObservations lol, bro!! 😂
@@ForwardObservations hahaha what a joke.
networking wise? Sure. But using a decade old 802.11 SOC that can't even do beamforming, slapping some freq shifters on it, and selling it as a viable radio for contested environments should be actually criminal.
Boefang is the decoy bouy😂
The MPU themselves are around $8K per unit.
The dismount kit in 2024 is 37 k retail.
But it’s the best
do a video on how to set up ATAK
Humm let me think how to film that
Low power HF on mag loop, no near field footprint, Anything else is a compromise.
Do they make a relocation cable for the three antennas?
yes, you can't think of the radio as a radio. Think it as a node. So there are larger antenna systems that you would place a mpu5 on top of a truck. or you could raise one on a mast.
I suppose laser communication is the only secure comms now
I think they could be used for extreme long range encrypted communication in tactical environments
They’re currently used for that now as well as close communication. It’s pretty much becoming the standard radio.
Internet exists, no we want to use 100 yo technologoy that can be easily interrupted by small jamming devices
@@sfiend966 So, what do you do when the internet is interrupted?
@@jhutch1470 internet is not really localized, you can also do local networks anywhere pretty much
The MPU5 is a good radio but not as good as other L3Harris MANET radios. This is coming directly from someone who is currently supporting operators. And its not me. The MPU5 is an older radio that is being phased out.
😂😂😂
FNG question., ...Is the Navy Operator dude related to Jeff Cavaliere (the Athlean X dude).
Dope vid by the way
Na just with outlaw nation!
@@LastAmericanOutlaw Copy lol. ...If he sees this, let him know his CS is now AX.
Love the knowledge you guys are dropping btw 🤙
Overinflated price for our overinflated defense budget to buy. Same reason Sig is releasing a red dot at $3800. Going over a system like this on a civilian 2A channel is just coolguy operator bait. It's a nonstarter for 99% of us out there looking for practical comms to work with. And I say this as a big fan of the channel.
I tried downloading it on my iPad and my iPhone and it says No Results for civ tech on both systems 😊
How does one even get into the coms world specially from a preps perspective. I hear so much about radios and coms that I don’t even know what to start 🤣
Im in the same boat, knowledge is power and so many radios out there are either popular but not so good, or they are really good and cost as much as a kidney. I havent seen a middle ground. I want a Radio or mesh network that has good security, range, and decent price. I dpnt think thats too much to asl for. Only issue is shit like that is under government contract, and you damn well the government doesnt want to empower the people.
I got to say, it was a great review video but the black background and surrounding makes everything so insanely hard to see in the video. Might want to go with something of a lighter colored backdrop for a future video?
Ok I’ll get another one thanks for bringing it up. It’s hard to know what works if no one says anything !! Thanks
@@LastAmericanOutlaw I absolutely dig the content though my guy! Currently watching the WWIII bag setup video and diggin your choices🤙🏼
Whats comparable without the price though?
How much RF radiation them things pushing out
how is the mpu 5 compare to the prc 163 by l3harris?
163 is better it’s voice and data capable simultaneously
@@standby_official yes, I've worked with 163, and am aware of that (sorry if this sounds snide or assholish. not trying to be.) but I was trying to get more comparative information more on the mpu 5. outside of just voice and data capes
163 is a different type of radio and more well rounded. The MPU5 is a single waveform equipped radio with the wave relay waveform. Wave Relay is a data focused single freq waveform with incredible bandwidth and node count(the amount of active members). The 163 can do Normal VULOS(single channel unencrypted or encrypted!), Sincgars, Havequick I and II, HPW, SCM, eBFT, P25, IW I and II, SBT, Saturn, ANW2, SRW, MUOS, TSM, Wraith and Phantom and can support additional mission module to get ISR feed. The 163 is also a dual RT system. 2 Radios in the size of one so you can work 2 seperated waveforms at the same time. TSM is the most comparable mode to Wave Relay, TSM only supports 10mbps and 800 users. High bandwidth isnt that important for most ground soldiers, only need PLI and low level messages, sometimes sharing pictures and very rarely video. There is a already more than a dozen or so radios that support TSM from multiple different MFG. At 10:18 the presenter said that everybody can find you if your using an entry level radio like a baofeng, this is the same case for the MPU5 1000% since its not a frequency hopping radio and the MPU5 would be even easier to find compared to a baofeng since the MPU5 is constantly passing other singles through you as it acts a repeater. With atleast a baofeng you have some control over the radio when to push radio signals or not. If your worried about being direction found you need a ECCM hopping radio that uses waveforms like Sincgars, Havequick, Quicklook, Wraith, Phantom, Vapor or Vanguard.
What is this smf collective?
As someone very familiar with Persistent systems and using their gear since the OG WaveRelay, I would Silvus radio is a better radio platform.
how to spot a competent comms guy 101
Don’t get caught slipping with a Baofeng , their great for hunting and lazy Wife’s that don’t like to getting out of bed while your working in the Garage 😎🇺🇸🤙🏽
more MPU5 videos!
9000$ with taxes and this is not usefull if you're not in a swat team or intervention unit because it has a lot of bandwith... but very poor range.
The most important tactical kit is your mind 😉
Look up what the government did to Nextel cell phone service😢😢
Man lots of people here coping and simping for baofengs, sad. If it was "just as good" more organized state actors would use them
Interesting. Not a criticism, but, doesn't fit my needs. The GPS is a deal breaker for me. If I'm in an uncivil situation the last thing I want is to broadcast my location. Hackers, just saying. If it is made it will be hacked.
Fair, thus far no one can hack it. You can take the fps off. But for military and le use it’s nice to have.
This radio isnt really for civilians (although you CAN buy one...if youre rich lmao) but it doesnt matter. You have a cell phone that has GPS. Cell phones dont use cell towers to give you GPS, they have actual GPS modules. Youre on the internet, your data is being harvest somewhere. No matte what you do. MPU5 or not. ATAK or not. People will know where you are unless youre 100% off-grid
They don't need to hack it if they have a built-in backdoor
This was made for JSOC. They thought about that lol
That's....... not how GPS works lmao
I want that thumbnail in black and white 20x24 in tapestry on my bedroom wall no font
Radio NERDS
Yaeh! I wanna roleplay a billy bada-s.
You can be encrypted on just 5g with new Samsung and iPhones
youre shilling against radios but telling people to use a cellphone network reliant on towers? easiest way to find a guy is going to be pinging cellphone towers my guy. no ill stick with low power DMR or analog radios. its not as simple as you push to talk and youre immediately triangulated, even with an omni directional antenna. with a directional antenna its even more difficult.
I think you took this video wrong. So many people have the mpu5 on their stuff I thought people may like to see it and have some small details on it. Most people never get the opportunity. That’s all.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw thats entirely possible. it is super cool tech i will say that. i just dont think its a good fit for any type of civilian ops.
@@Super61a I suppose that depends on who is your advocacy. Is it the usg ? Another major g? Is it a Teir unit ? If so if you have a ham as soon as it’s on they know your there. PS is a bit harder as it can be 1 radio but make you think there is 200. But if it’s the local le or country folk ya.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw if you meen on transmit then yea. but theyre not going to triangulate your position on a 5 second TX. they might, if theyre actively listening get a general direction. which in itself may be enough. your logic makes sense I just firmly believe theres much more to it than that.
@@Super61a ya man listen I am new to the como world, I started for work in November, the learning curve is massive. Massive. I don’t pretend to know anything. I am just leading at the highest level we have as a country. Only thing I know is ham, and cellphone especially Bluetooth is child’s play for them.
Just an insight into an Item for an active operator.. Definitley not for civilian use, pointless for the average consumer.
If we are running our beofeng in any scenario other than the house aren’t we connected to a headset just like any other radio when you turn it on you’re going to hear it through your headset please don’t think we’re dumb enough to run radios with speakers blaring ,come on man some of us have been hunting since we were able to walk, We know what we’re doing in the woods
It has nothing to do woth the speaker and everything to do with the bands the frequency from a UV5R is widely used and easy to decrypt. Sure, if someone is close to you, theyll hear the Radio without a headset. That is avoidable what isnt avoidable is the trained Radio operator who can pin point ypur exact location just from you turning on your Radio. The MPU5 is expensive not only because of government contract, but also because it can much more than just talk to your buddies. Its not even a Radio, its a mesh network meant to ve used with other mpu5 meshs. Its meant to send and recieve voice and data simultaniously. The whole "kit" for a Single operator is 37k cause that includes the MPU5, ATAK, and PTT. Im not too familiar with radios and mesh Networks, but i do know that your uv5r is not a good Radio at all. No security, and can only transfer voice. In todays World, youd be better off yelling to your buddy across a field to get information across rsther than using that thing.
no one saving me and mine but ME, "They say that a hero can save us , well im not gonna stand here and wait"
So,
You can't use it without the cable connected.
So if the line cuts or the jack breaks then it useless.
No thanks...
It's not a problem if it's issued to you
What does this guy do for work to be given one of these? 😅
Your last point doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you are fighting an adversary that is capable of easier radio direction finding you, then your chance of having cell service is slim.
Gotta go LoRa mesh network with civtak
It want's to track my location all the time, no thanks.
For 30k it’s not even that “secure”
Nothing is secure, so why waste 30k on something when you can just have a few cheapo radios. That's better than most people in a SHTF, and you can afford to lose it. In a civilian vs government situation you don't want a literal GPS tracker on you
@indoorkite651 spot on.
If I'm worried about being tracked by big brother I'm not transmitting anything on any device, especially THEIR Gucci radio with GPS. It probably has a backdoor built-in for them to easily find me.
For every other realistic situation the cheap Baofeng will do just fine to keep me in touch with my people.
Civtak wont work when the man shuts it down. Neither will gps. Same with mhz radio. It will be scrambled. Gotta stay ahead
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Fuck radios, all my homies use paper airplanes in the field.
Still not a PRC 163 Harris. Civilians dont have access to ATAK that mil or spec ops uses. That radio is way over priced.
@@coreysheckler4777 yep that’s why everyone hates the 163 and is moving on o the mpu5
And civtak is the same thing minus ordnance basically. And the 163 is about same price.
@TheLastAmericanOutlaw Who's everyone? You get trained in a school house and reps come train on utilization.
@@LastAmericanOutlaw And price 15k is what our squadron pays, I'm pretty sure your 30k price tag is a little higher lol
Lol the gov will track u guys down first. 😅😅 lol this guy wanta us to rely on cell service 😂 im fkin dying over here 😅😅
All the promo and cuts in the beginning killed the video.
Uhh… cool thanks I guess?
Sdr is a thing and components are cheap. Tell engineers they can’t have x radio and they’ll laugh in your face 😂
Hes talking about baofang being licated but days use your phone GPS?
Not being a dick I'm really trying to cime up w a solution.
Heard DTR radios arent licated easily. No way to know how true that is.
Challenge accepted.