Identify and Fix Phase Issues in the Mix
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- By request! In this tutorial, we're looking at how to identify phase issues in the mixing stage, solutions for a better sound + mono compatibility!
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you taught me more about anything audio than my professors did, watching you all those years before going to an institute for audio engineering, made me go in with alot of info that most of the people with me didnt know, i found myself learning the stuff i already learned at home 3 years prior while watching your videos cause you were one of the only ones on youtube. just had to let you know
I really appreciate you sharing that and so glad to hear it was helpful! Means a lot 🙏🙌
Your content is an unmatched asset for me, especially since you use logic, thank you immensely.
Glad it’s helpful Nic! 🙌
@@SeanDivine I agree, your doing a amazing job. Thank you Sean!!
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Thanks, Sean, your approach is extremely practical, easily understandable and incredibly useful. Really enjoying your videos. Greatly appreciated!
A plus for clarity and usefulness! Thanks!
what a difference! thank you for making this so clear and understandable with a good example like this.
I am seriously grateful to you for all your tutorials man!
glad they're helping sawan!
Thank you. I was thinking about this last night.
I can't thank you enough man I needed this thank you so much🙏🙏
second part is really helpful, thank you! for anyone who doesn't have access to DrMS, I used MSED which is free and had the same effect.
Just discovered you and you explain things concise and very easy to understand, thanks for helping me understand phasing
Cool...thanks Sean! Best Man!!!Enjoy rest of the week
bro this is magic, thanks so much
Really helpful video Sean! Keep them coming! I replaced the "DR.Ms" plugin with other plugins from Izotope (Ozone 9 equalizer for Mid/side EQ and ozone 9 imager) and I also used Sample delay for further editing the phase relationship of the Left and Right channel and that really did the trick! Truth be told though, i was dealing with an extremely problematic mix from a leased beat that a client provided. Thanks again👊
How did you do this?? I dont have drms
Thank you! Very clearly!
always learn alot from your videos with mixing Thanx.....
Thanks for yet another great video! You teach me stuff I didn't know I needed to learn :)
Request for a future video: when mixing, what tracks should you keep mono and stereo? Last month I have been mixing my first track and I have done so with the help of your videos. But when I listen back now on my speakers there's too much stereo, if that makes sense. I produce house music so I put kick, snare, bass/sub in mono and the rest in stereo. Any tips or help would be great.
Also, another thing that would be interesting: what' do you put where in the mixer? For example, on a track, would you put EQ first, then reverb, then compression etc? Meaning, when you think of the track mixer as a rack: in what order do you put the different plugins and why does it matter?
Thanks!
Very helpful! Such a detailed explanation. Thank you for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
Solid theory. Solid example. Solid video. 👍
Simple and understandable.
Thank you so much for this tutorial ! Super Useful !
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Thank you so much for this video! Exactly the information i needed!
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I like content and low key, not fluff! Good lesson! I like your style!
Very great and well presented material, thanks! 😁
Glad it helped!
really really helpful video. I finally understand in detail about this aspect of music production. Thanks very much!!
Great to hear
it's an excellent video. 🙏🙏
Amazing!!!
great video. Thank you :)
need that DrMs! Thank you!
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Good info, thanks
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for this Sean!
My pleasure! 🙌
Thanks for this - the phase issue is something I often have problems with in my projects
Glad it helped!
Great explanation, thanx
BRUH you just fixed my whole mix for me thank you
Great to see someone presenting a real life example rather than showing sound waves.
This really helped me
Very helpful😀✌🏼
Thank you
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You’re welcome!
Appreciate Sean! I always go for MS method. "Phrase killer" method seems might probably make vocal or instruments thin ?!
thx bro
hey sean great video as always! do you continue to do the live session beat critiques? much love
I would love to, unfortunately, there have been many content id claims on the critique videos, so I need to find a way to avoid that first :/
Great demo with explanation. I've felt like Captain Kirk before, running around with phase on kill.
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This topic is not covered enough! I see a lot of phase problems with 2 track beats people will bring to record on in my studio.
it helps a lot
glad to hear it!
You are the only one that explains this adequately. In fact, your presentation is superb. Thank you.
I've learned a lot from your videos despite using a different DAW. Subscribed🤘😎👍
appreciate that Derek, glad it helped
Bro can u plz do a instrument layering the right way tutorial, that would be really helpful bro!!:)
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I am currently mixing an a cappella song. There were phase issues on the doubled vocals (which I usually pan far left and right to give enough space for the solo and bass which I stack in the middle). What I did on other a cappella projects was I either narrow the side (from 100% to 85%), or I EQ the subs on the sides using MS processing, or both. It works fine on most of my projects but It didn’t work for my present project. Invert phase did not work as the corr. Meter always jump between positive and negative. Is there any other tricks i could try?
Dear Sean,
This video helped me fix the phasing issues on the tracks of my instruments BUT the summing/stacking folder they are in is still showing bad correlation nothing seems to help to fix that do you have any advice for this?
Would of loved to see this on a whole mix
thx
Hey Shawn,am an aspiring mix engineer/producer as well. Would be great if you do a video on how to mix pianos. I’ve observed that pianos usually have some seriously bad frequencies when you play some chords in some octaves.
I don’t know if this makes sense.
I've heard about it. I think they're called ghost intervals? idk how to fix them tho
Would love to see a video on this too from Sean! Does anyone know any good videos on mixing piano?
Thank u man, do u know of any plugin that can do is in studio one? Or any 3rd party plugin?
hey, sean? how come you only clicked on the "l" phase invert and not on the "r"? also, would it be a bit excessive if i were to invert my track's phase issues by using both the "gain" plug-in and the "invert" option by right-clicking on my audio channel strip?
I use mid/side eq and remove some of side info key word “some”. That fixes it for me.
Always love the content. Question for you though. This has been troubling me for some time. I tend to use a lot of synth sounds in my production and create patches from scratch. I don't always want to rely on my meters specifically but looking at a phase correlation meter with my synths it shows them mostly always being out of phase. I know if certain sounds are too wide, detuned and have many voices there can be phase issues present. I always check the mono capability and the synths themselves don't seem to lose any punch or anything and then I always wind up correcting the phase issues the meter reads for my synth sounds to find the synth sound then sounding dull and having no width when in stereo. Once I check the mono capability once I put the synth in phase as the correlation meter would read it, it doesn't lose any punch or anything as it didn't earlier when the meter read the sound to be out of phase. Im not sure if I should just entirely trust my ears on this issue because the synth sounds don't sound bad when the meters show the sound to be out of phase, and sound worse when put them in phase. Im trying to get my mixes to translate well via phone speakers but I know very wide sounds can cause issues for mixes to translate well on the phone. When I address the phase issue simply on my synth sounds, the sound becomes lifeless. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
Hey CJ, it's a balance (no pun)... don't overthink it. Unless the sound is causing major issues with your mix that you can't live with it, I wouldn't worry about it. Use your ears to make the best call there and just realize that most listeners don't care about judging you on phase relationships :)
@@SeanDivine Thank You appreciate the advice. I agree just trust my ears and don't overthink it. Lately I've directed my focus to the overall mix being in phase more than anything now
Hey bro.... Tnks for these helpful tips.... Do I av to check d phase compatibility when layering kicks or snares or synths E.t.c??
it's never a bad idea to check! Eventually, you'll get to the point where your ears will hear major phase issues immediately. The visual cues will help in the meantime!
phase anomolies are sometimes important parts of a mix especially in the bass or kick drum - so you shouldnt make judgement based on meters alone any more than you would mix with a graphic display - there's two qualities which always indicate problematic phasing issues - 1 - the source sounds kind of papery and hollow - this is common on multi micd snare drums /toms and acoustic guitars.
there's a nasty comb tooth effect where whatever you do on the eq it sounds horrible - really common with guitar amps when the mic is a bit off the grill or vocals in a bad tight room
A meter is not going to show you this - you need to be able to hear it and you should fix it at the source - not really in mix down.
Dont forget that if you're mixing on headphones then you are not going to hear certain phase issues like you would on speakers because there is no way that the wave fronts can interact with each other.
How can i do this in studio one ?
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I'm getting bad phase effect from parallel processed mono vocals. It's the same take on two different tracks. Would this method in video work for that?
and how should i make stereo vocal like your video? Please help me ,Thank you
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Do you have any tips on how to fix vhs audio phasing issues that I have picked up from recording the tape because the tape sounds fine on TV but, it sounds phasing in VHS recorded mp4
So we have to do this for all samples like Kick, bass, snare, perc, and vocals and synths
question! why do you only press the left side phase invert and not the right? thank you
Yo, can I use your vocal take to sample on something? Especially when you switch to mono, I can make it work on something.
Well for any sine waveform it is expressed mathematically by sin(wt + ●)
Here ● is called the phase angle of the waveform.
I'm trying to create a sampled drum kit (like to play on MIDI pads) and I keep hearing that "phaser guitar pedal" sound...never on individual samples, but every so often when I'm playing a full pattern. I don't remember hearing this on other (not my own) sampled drum kits....is there something I can do different to keep this from happening?
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Hey Sean, thank you so much for this explanation. Some of these techniques i've recently discovered myself through trial and error so the reasssurance is great to know I am on the right track. But theres one thing I am not certain about and that is: what should the end goal be when correcting phase issues while looking at the goniometer? Should we be aiming for a consistent +1 result or anywhere between 0 and + 1 is fine as long as it sounds good and sums to mono is enough to pass?
The reason I ask is that stereo recordings from my Virus TI2 synth usually have phasing and mono compatability issues. Using the techniques outlined in this video, I can get them back into the positive again but it seems I can't get them to a solid +1 on the goniometer without killing the width and impact of the sound. I do find getting the phase of the sound back into the positive (waving around between 0 and +1) fixes mono compatability and maintains the movement and width that made the sound fit in the first place. Is that enough? Or should I be really trying to aim to have the sound +1 in phase?
Cheers mate, Sam
Hey Sam, no rules there - I'd say it's safe to be consistently somewhere between 0 and +1 but most importantly, listen to it and check in mono! I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the numerical readings, as long as it sounds good :)
@@SeanDivine ok cool, thanks for getting back to me. Sounds like I'm on the right track ☺️👍
Mixing in mono like a pro
For whatever reason this never works on any pads i use. Usually nexus or serum. I have tried mid-side eq and stereo delaying but to no avail.
Are their chances of phase issues when recording with 2 mics one on left & one on right channel? Is it a bad idea?
there's always a chance for phase issues when you're talking about having multiple mics setup - the important thing is to listen to the signals together and experiment with mic placement, polarity, etc.
I struggle while mixing synths in terms of phase relationship how can i fix it?
somebody help me with this. i have condenser mic with balanced out. my preamp amplifies and feeds it power but. i end up with stereo signal that is in opposite phases . i use "mic in" of my PC. i end up with irritating sound. OBS has mixing into mono but signals cancels each other into nothing. windows does not have anything to even pan signal to one channel. is there free vst that can reverse polarity or maybe even make true balanced conversion into mono ?
what if daw don't have phase plugins? Any recommendation?
Flipping the polarity and inverting the phase are not the same thing, right?
Ok so I don't make my beats on studio one so I'm having trouble figuring out how to get the phase meter correct , the beat seems to be the problem
All plugins.. not separated presets?
Can you please explain my phase problem:
I recorded tracks from a song in ableton live through UAD console into my mpc live. When i press mono there are no issues.
When i import these tracks into pro tools and press mono everything is off 😞 drums and synths disappear.
But i dont understand why?
Please help ❤️
Btw i use a lot of effects in ableton but like i said there are no issues when listening in mono
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hey bro have any solution to use yoyr vocal chain in v11 of waves?
If you're using Logic Pro X or Cubase Pro, Vocal Chains presets are fully compatible with V11! For other DAWs, you can use the individual plugin settings AND the updated StudioRack utility (coming soon) and will also be fully compatible with V11 :) seandivine.com/waves-v11-studiorack-compatibility-update/
why the L invert button and not the R(ight)?
Where is the vectorscope located?
Does anyone know if FL STUDIO has a similar type of analyzer as he was using here? Where it shows the Correlation meter
Nothing in the standard plugins
What I get from this, Well if you don't have money to buy these plugins is that you can put your song in mono and just watch the db levels and listen to the words. Correct it as needed. I don't know of any stock plugins that does mid/side instead of just left or right.
How to achieve the same results using third party plugins?
what if Native Instruments Noire piano stock settings is showing me that is out of phase in some notes ? what is that normal for a VST
By "out of phase" do you mean whatever you're using to monitor is showing anti-phase information? If so, that's different, it's common and doesn't necessarily mean there's a serious phase issue.
@@SeanDivine it's going under 0 in some notes , it's not all the time but it depends on the melody, maybe it have too much stereo information in the sample . when i put the Mid frequencies on the Side with mid/side Eq the problem is solved it goes around +1. i monitor it with Ozone Imager , also with Span. I've tested if the stereo separation is all way to the max there's no phase change and no mono compatibility issue but in the sample it self if it's way too much stereo information it shows below 0 too much . Also if you use Phase modulating stereo enchancer Vst you will have phase issues and lost of mono compatibility. I've tested everything i could to solve the Phase riddle :#
Which version of Logic are you running?
currently 10.4.6 :)
@@SeanDivine cool, I was wondering bc my multimeter looked different, but realized it was on a mono track
I have this happening in a single take without another stack, it's so weird.
I’m having the same problem 😩
I found it weird that with the word “there” it sounds metalic,but once you phase shift the audio ,it seems to disappear,mmm.
What is the name of this plugin? The analyzer
multimeter (stock logic pro)
@@SeanDivine Ah alright ty
what about if it goes out of phase for a second.
Same approach, you could just automate the phase flip / Dr. MS processing for that specific part
I love You Videos Sean they are so practical and helpful, you have helped me improve my mixing skills drastically in the past months and I thank you for that.
glad to hear that Ayaya! Happy to help :)