How the Buckshot Roulette Dealer AI works (and how you can use it to win)

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  • He ain't too bright, hope this strategy helps you lock in the perfect run or the high score in endless mode/double or nothing. Also explains why the dealer shoots himself so much.
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    00:00 Intro
    00:57 AI overview
    04:13 Item usage examples
    06:48 How does this help us?
    14:48 Conclusions
    22:05 Unconfirmed niche info
    24:06 Outro
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  • @delightfulkissboy8926
    @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +1134

    EDIT: I think I've found the cause for the bug I'm describing at 23:44. This happens when the dealer uses beer in conjunction with magnifying glasses. The dealer uses the MG, sees it's a blank, then uses beer. The beer ejects the round, but does not clear the "known round" flag, which only gets cleared after a shot. The dealer has another magnifying glass, but he still thinks he knows what the round is and thinks it's a blank. So if I'm understanding this correctly, MG into beer from the dealer will always result in dealer shooting himself and will not use another MG, unless he gets to the final shell in the loadout, in which case his "known round" flag gets reset to whatever the actual last shell is. I think this is actually a useful thing to know.
    A couple clarifications:
    18:48 - I say that cigarettes don't really matter because he may not get a turn. This is obviously true for all items, so I meant he may not get a turn where he is damaged to use them. I.e. you may miss, then he goes and can't use cigarettes since he's still at full health, then you deal enough damage to kill him, or deal damage then go to the next loadout.
    23:44 - The scenario I'm talking about here is that I think I've seen him use a magnifying glass, see a blank, shoot himself, then not use another magnifying glass and just shoot even though he has another magnifying glass. Almost all of the time he uses the 2nd magnifying glass here, but I think at least once he hasn't. It's strange because I don't see what's causing that in the code.

    • @trevorhaddox6884
      @trevorhaddox6884 4 місяці тому +67

      This happened in Nogla's 14mil game, dealer had two MGs but still immediately shot himself.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +85

      @@trevorhaddox6884 Interesting! Now to report to the dev or to keep as a little secret exploit among friends, decisions decisions... 🤭

    • @ridhosamudro2199
      @ridhosamudro2199 4 місяці тому +51

      He got intoxicated and forgor (skull emoji)

    • @christianberry3031
      @christianberry3031 4 місяці тому +2

      Why does this only happen some of the time then?

    • @thecatontheceiling
      @thecatontheceiling 4 місяці тому +11

      "I don't see what's causing that in the code" relatable

  • @malfolin
    @malfolin 4 місяці тому +2216

    I once saw a dealer chug 3 beers and shooot themselves. He was owned so hard he decided to quit.

    • @iliveintrash5233
      @iliveintrash5233 4 місяці тому +212

      He's just like me

    • @tenyearsinthejoint985
      @tenyearsinthejoint985 4 місяці тому +147

      Did you see that from Manly's playthrough?

    • @malfolin
      @malfolin 4 місяці тому +61

      @@tenyearsinthejoint985 how did you know?

    • @Error-zg2if
      @Error-zg2if 4 місяці тому +51

      ​@@malfolin It was quite famous

    • @susangoaway
      @susangoaway 4 місяці тому +3

      How many dealers?

  • @grayanderson2761
    @grayanderson2761 4 місяці тому +603

    The best description I've heard of the TL;DR of how the dealer works is from Markiplier.
    "This guy...this guy's bold. He's VERY bold. He's not SMART.....but he's bold."

    • @deyontemyers4109
      @deyontemyers4109 Місяць тому +29

      Sounds like your typical lucky freind who manages to kill 6 bosses at once because he wants to clear out a village, and you're just stuck thinking, WHY AND HOW DID YOU DO THAT

    • @williamlux
      @williamlux Місяць тому

      @@deyontemyers4109 me after beating viper on master with scorch after 10 tries
      And then coming back a year later and taking a bazillion tries to repeat it

    • @Helpertf2
      @Helpertf2 9 днів тому

      Not just "bold" bald too (yes I did do that joke)

    • @menacingarc2297
      @menacingarc2297 9 днів тому

      ​@@Helpertf2Booo...
      👎

    • @consoleman3707
      @consoleman3707 9 днів тому

      Lol

  • @omegahaxors3306
    @omegahaxors3306 4 місяці тому +5867

    The game description calls him "crooked" despite the fact he plays completely fair. My guess is that he doesn't bother to count the bullets he just cheats and looks at the last one and memorizes that one instead.

    • @godknightomega
      @godknightomega 4 місяці тому +848

      I mean that is still technically fair.
      We count all of the shells too.
      Knowing the last shell after every other one is expended is probably the easiest.

    • @Drave_Jr.
      @Drave_Jr. 4 місяці тому +181

      @@godknightomega Though he should know if all blanks or live rounds are out as well.

    • @MyMika2004
      @MyMika2004 4 місяці тому +233

      i mean, if its 3 live 4 blank and youve shot 4 blank 2 live, its not too hard to figure out what it is

    • @KENNYd04360
      @KENNYd04360 4 місяці тому +50

      @@MyMika2004 Right, but if 3 blank and 1 live are out, the dealer know in what order the bullet will come !

    • @voodoo1177
      @voodoo1177 4 місяці тому +104

      @@KENNYd04360 The dealer wouldn't know, it only knows the last shell, since it's code and not a person, It doesn't count what has been fired. As far as it knows, there may be 2 blanks or 2 lives, rather than just 1 blank and 1 live, which you can easily get by paying attention to how many of each shell was loaded (the dealer does not know what has been loaded, only that last shell).

  • @omegahaxors3306
    @omegahaxors3306 4 місяці тому +3058

    In practice the handcuffs and cigarettes are the worst thing for the dealer to get, because they will always use them optimally.

    • @lighterflud
      @lighterflud 4 місяці тому +254

      To be fair, how do you even use cigarettes unoptimally?

    • @lighterflud
      @lighterflud 4 місяці тому +39

      To be fair, how do you even use cigarettes unoptimally?

    • @llewelynshingler2173
      @llewelynshingler2173 4 місяці тому +390

      @@lighterflud Using them when you are at full health

    • @aarepelaa1142
      @aarepelaa1142 4 місяці тому

      But spy glasses and saws get you killed

    • @ThePenisMan
      @ThePenisMan 4 місяці тому

      @@lighterflud or not using them immediately when injured, because sometimes the one health matters next opponents turn

  • @IxodesPersulcatus
    @IxodesPersulcatus 4 місяці тому +830

    Now I'm addicted to booze, drugs, and gambling, but in this life that's an optimal strategy.

  • @PKMNTrainerKelly
    @PKMNTrainerKelly 4 місяці тому +2671

    7:28 that's wrong, actually. it's a 100% chance of being a blank if i point it at the dealer and 100% chance of being live if i point it at myself. at least, that's how it felt in my playthroughs

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +640

      Real

    • @speeddemon5339
      @speeddemon5339 4 місяці тому +166

      I honestly feel as if that’s what’s happening, not in the code, but in the game’s universe. We already know that the Dealer has fought God, and won which means that when he’s fighting the player, he’s most likely just dicking around. If he loses, it’s just money, which is pretty inconsequential when considering the type of being that he is. Although, I think we all know that the real God is the player character, as they are the only one with the capability to beat the dealer, no matter how many times they have to reset. It doesn’t really make sense how the dealer could kill god, because if the dealer killed god, he kills himself too. It would be like a person’s alter ego killing the body that it resides in, like congratulations dumb ass, you fucked yourself.

    • @santini1224434
      @santini1224434 4 місяці тому +81

      ​@@speeddemon5339i always thought of the "God" waiver as just someone who thought of themselves as unable to lose, but at the end they died anyways

    • @PresWorldWid
      @PresWorldWid 4 місяці тому

      @@santini1224434never thought of it that way. Still fits the idea of gambling and from what i feel like the meaning of the game is how gambling is toxic/deadly when addicted to it ya know

    • @shinoku250_gaming
      @shinoku250_gaming 4 місяці тому +78

      ​@@santini1224434unfortunately the death cutscene shows you heaven, abandoned and in complete disarray, which means the actual god lost : /

  • @MTNDEWGANG
    @MTNDEWGANG 4 місяці тому +1697

    I love when people are so passionate about games when they decide to crack the entire game open and look through and see how the game works, down to values and how it can boil down in future plays. Glad this is getting recommended. Hope you do this more for future interesting games.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +141

      Thank you! 🙏 Was thinking about doing just that, I find it really interesting to see how devs code in general, especially AI

    • @MTNDEWGANG
      @MTNDEWGANG 4 місяці тому +29

      @@delightfulkissboy8926 keep it up gang, would like to see you dissect sometime like F.E.A.R'S ai or Half life 2's source engine capabilities.

    • @flamingdog9207
      @flamingdog9207 3 місяці тому +1

      For whatever reason, I find looks under the hood in games like this really interesting, seeing how a game's AI works, what makes it tick, etc.

    • @hazeltree7738
      @hazeltree7738 3 місяці тому

      @@flamingdog9207 You might want to check out "Tech Rules" then, he's done videos on the AI of Five Nights at Freddy's as well as Baldi and they're both very interesting :)

  • @GarrettRatliff96
    @GarrettRatliff96 4 місяці тому +742

    With this knowledge out, I am become dealer, destroyer of high scores

    • @fluoxvonhoovienheimer4706
      @fluoxvonhoovienheimer4706 4 місяці тому +42

      Oppenheimer if he was a gambler:

    • @The_Dr_Fate
      @The_Dr_Fate 4 місяці тому

      ​@@fluoxvonhoovienheimer4706it was openheirmer who said that?

    • @balramduttsharma1727
      @balramduttsharma1727 3 місяці тому

      @@fluoxvonhoovienheimer4706 oppenheimer if he was unemployed

  • @bandit5875
    @bandit5875 4 місяці тому +662

    Being down to your last “charge”, along with the dealer, and watching him Kurt Cobain himself is such a hilarious, victorious experience.

    • @rick30521
      @rick30521 4 місяці тому +91

      "Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing" kinda endgame

    • @MasterJunior93
      @MasterJunior93 4 місяці тому +5

      That happened in one of my playthroughs.

    • @Billytub8003
      @Billytub8003 4 місяці тому +51

      “Kurt Cobain himself” is crazy

    • @williamlux
      @williamlux 3 місяці тому +4

      Dealer: "hey guys, I guess that's it"

    • @Brick_Eater_
      @Brick_Eater_ 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@@Billytub8003do you remember that level from doom 2 called "nirvana" that spawns you in front of a shotgun

  • @wr3nche5
    @wr3nche5 4 місяці тому +861

    i wonder if the dev will add in a "hard mode" where he actually counts the shells like a human would and just. . . generally be smarter. that'd be cool to see

    • @ambi_cc8464
      @ambi_cc8464 4 місяці тому +4

      fr lol

    • @furiouscorgi6614
      @furiouscorgi6614 4 місяці тому +52

      ​@@ambi_cc8464 and it wouldnt be that hard. Instead of randomly deciding, the odds of shooting the player is live rounds/total rounds, if dont shoot player shoot self

    • @itsFnD
      @itsFnD 4 місяці тому +46

      Personally, I don't like the idea of "normal' mode & hard mode in these kind of games, as it's practically pointless when you want to feel the experience. If smarter AI would be implemented, I hope it would be replace the old one, as in intended difficulty.

    • @realperson9951
      @realperson9951 4 місяці тому +10

      they should make it calculate the chances before rolling the dice too, thatd significantly help him in gambles

    • @realperson9951
      @realperson9951 4 місяці тому +7

      the dev could probably also make a nightmare difficulty by having him consider every items on board including the player's

  • @KishinAubrey
    @KishinAubrey Місяць тому +38

    some things i've noticed about dealer in the update:
    1. he now knows when there are only blanks or only lives left
    2. he never uses expired medicine if he's at 1 health
    3. if he's taken any damage, he will always use expired medicine unless he has a cigarette
    4. he still drinks a beer after using a magnifying glass, in fact, if he has adrenaline, he'll steal your beer instead of just shooting himself

    • @clanker.4
      @clanker.4 20 днів тому +10

      so basically he can count now, and he's heavily addicted to beer

    • @swiggityshooty3632
      @swiggityshooty3632 18 днів тому +4

      Idk, I played against him today, and he killed himself with the medicine during round 2

    • @KishinAubrey
      @KishinAubrey 18 днів тому +1

      @@swiggityshooty3632 hmm
      i guess it might be possible, but very unlikely

    • @bigboi3103
      @bigboi3103 16 днів тому +2

      so an alcoholic with a shotgun fetish?

  • @JohnnyGuiltyMan
    @JohnnyGuiltyMan 4 місяці тому +135

    I played this game with my friend and we laughed our heads off when the Dealer decided to shoot itself after checking what kind of round was in the chamber. I really hope they can implement a 2-player mode so that we could play this against friends, it would raise the replay value significantly

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug 20 днів тому +3

      Russian Roulette: Safety On

    • @rat48785
      @rat48785 18 днів тому +4

      If you look in the steam updates, they're adding a multiplayer mode very soon. Its even advertised on the steam page of the game.

    • @JohnnyGuiltyMan
      @JohnnyGuiltyMan 18 днів тому

      @@rat48785 Yeah it was long before the Steam release when I played this game, I haven't even seen the new stuff that they've added

  • @mikeklubnika
    @mikeklubnika 4 місяці тому +410

    Awesome video. I agree, the AI is pretty primitive for the time being, so better cash out that $$$ while there's still time.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +94

      Eyy, great job with the game, man! I've been loving it. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
      Probably goes without saying that calling the AI dumb is by no means a criticism of the game, honestly makes it more fun to try to game it for high scores 👌

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +89

      Also lemme know if you want a second pair of eyes on the code or w/e; I'm a software engineer, so reviewing code is like 50% of my job haha.

    • @AlexCreeper
      @AlexCreeper 4 місяці тому

      oh wow hey man

    • @xmaker9065
      @xmaker9065 4 місяці тому +1

      Will you ever Do a mobile port for the game?

    • @maxinehayes90
      @maxinehayes90 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@delightfulkissboy8926I knew it based on your humor alone! Been loving the videos man.

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 4 місяці тому +375

    The developer’s gonna watch this and take notes. I know the dealer makes the best possible decisions in every circumstance, but it would be so cool if the Dealer takes into account both his AND your items. And every time you play, yours and his decisions as well as items used from the last games gets saved into the AI’s memory. And so the Dealer is able to 1 up you in the next game in any way he can. Thanks for clarifying your 2nd observation. It didn’t make sense to me.

    • @RiteOfSolaris
      @RiteOfSolaris 4 місяці тому +11

      I believe the dev is infact tweaking the AI.

    • @edward3190
      @edward3190 4 місяці тому +14

      the goal of game dev is to create an enjoyable and exciting experience. If the dealer acts optimally, the game would be boring, predictable and hard.
      So probably not gonna make it too smart.

    • @bruhthatexists
      @bruhthatexists 4 місяці тому

      ​@@edward3190It would work well with new opponents having different difficulty and behavior

    • @CluelessSociety
      @CluelessSociety 2 місяці тому

      That would ruin the game entirely 🤣

  • @omegahaxors3306
    @omegahaxors3306 4 місяці тому +161

    Dealer be like
    😁🔍 Hmm interesting...
    😁💥🔫

  • @DoomRater
    @DoomRater 4 місяці тому +227

    I like how rule number 2 happens before rule number 3, and rule 1 happens before either (the dealer will use a magnifying glass and then a beer despite rule 3 saying he can just shoot himself- he has more items to use dammit)

    • @endieisfridgeconfirmed
      @endieisfridgeconfirmed 4 місяці тому +1

      “rule number 2 happens before rule number 3”
      Aint that just basic counting

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 4 місяці тому +12

      @@endieisfridgeconfirmed The point is that they don't happen in a sequence per item, they always take priority even though logically using a magnifying glass should dictate the rest of the turn order once used

  • @lampionmancz
    @lampionmancz 4 місяці тому +325

    To be fully honest I have no problem dealing with him myself, but this video was still amazingly nice to watch. Very good, high quality and informative. Keep up the good work mate!

  • @jacky7204
    @jacky7204 4 місяці тому +151

    I've looked at some of the code myself, and it seems to me he prioritizes items in the order he got them. Naturally, you can't see the specifics of this order in game, because you're getting your own items in that time. But it should become apparent from one turn to the next (I think). EDIT: oops, you talked about that! yay datamining.
    I also noticed some weird code that seems to add and remove cigarettes from the item pools based on, I think, the amount the dealer gets? I didn't quite understand what that code did, probably for either fairness or keeping rounds from dragging out too long.
    I love the explanation with expected value and building up from the simpler two-shell scenario. Way clearer than trying to simultaneously think about like eight possibilities for the odds.

  • @__rogalik__7936
    @__rogalik__7936 4 місяці тому +85

    Imagine fairness update, where Mike Klubnika actually implements all the smart plays, like counting the bullets

    • @youtubeenjoyer1743
      @youtubeenjoyer1743 4 місяці тому +9

      For such a simple game, you would expect this to be the case.

    • @jasonslade6259
      @jasonslade6259 3 місяці тому +13

      I think its actually good that the dealer is a little bit stupid. If the dealer played optimally and the player plays optimally, then the entire game just becomes pure chance. If the player is playing sub-optimally, which is the case probably 90% of the time, then the dealer has a big advantage.
      If the dealer is a little dumb, then it gives more room for the player to play smart and increase their odds of winning. You want player choices to matter, that's the whole point of a game.

    • @youtubeenjoyer1743
      @youtubeenjoyer1743 3 місяці тому

      @@jasonslade6259 The problem is that the game is not that complex to begin with. Rounds with a lot of cartridges and items could be much more fun if the opponent tried to appear slightly more intelligent. The current version of the game is heavily skewed towards the player, and that affects replayability a lot.

    • @darylwerder7064
      @darylwerder7064 Місяць тому

      In the newest version of the game in the Double or Nothing, the dealer does count how many bullets are left (i.e. 8 shells, 4 live, 4 blank, 2 lives have already been fired, the dealer will choose to shoot self because it's a greater chance the shell is a blank)

  • @faecterr
    @faecterr 4 місяці тому +19

    This mans 'Okay' storage in never out of stock

  • @talongreenlee7704
    @talongreenlee7704 4 місяці тому +120

    The fact that he doesn’t count cards and just checks the last round he puts in so he knows what to do at the end despite that not being the best play kind of characterizes him as being cocky and thinking that he’s pulling one over on you by cheating even though he’s actually stupid, which makes sense for a character that would play a game like this. I love that. It’s characterization and storytelling through game mechanics that you’d have no idea about unless you crack the game open and see how he’s making his decisions. If you can see into his head and know how he thinks, then you get a feel for what kind of person he is, but you’d never know by just playing the game unless you played for a really long time actively trying to figure him out.

    • @azurabbit12
      @azurabbit12 4 місяці тому +21

      Yeah no imo that's a godawful reading trying to tie how it works behind the scenes in the code into actual game characters, the dealer plays fair, and that makes it a way more interesting character than if it was just cocky and trying to subtle cheat, the reason why in the code the dealer knows what the last round is is cus literally any player would be able to deduce that, as the video explains, the fact it knows what the last shell is only comes into play WHEN the last shell in the round is being played, so it's fair to assume that it knows that through simple deduction skills, if there were 4 lives and 3 blanks you'd know what's the last round if 3 lives and 3 blanks were shot

    • @talongreenlee7704
      @talongreenlee7704 4 місяці тому +7

      @@azurabbit12 you’d also know what rounds are in the gun if there’s only two live rounds left, but the dealer doesn’t. Sometimes he’ll still choose himself even when there’s only live rounds and sometimes he’ll choose you even when there’s only blanks. You can tell he’s not using intuition to deduce the rounds remaining in the gun because there are times when he would have information if he were using deduction, but by his actions you can tell that he doesn’t have that information, so he must not be using deduction. He cheats, checking the last round to know what it is without realizing there’s an easier way to get more information. This demonstrates that he’s a bit of an idiot, and he never realizes his mistake even after seeing you absolutely thrash him, so there’s probably a bit of ego in the way of him realizing his mistake.

    • @Lesalledebains
      @Lesalledebains 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@talongreenlee7704no, the person you replied to is right. The reason the dealer can make a mistake when there's 2 live rounds was simply because the person who made the game didn't want the dealer to "count cards" during the game and simply only know the last round for balance reasons. In the same way anyone could figure out what the last 2 shells are, people make mistakes, and can misremember the ratio or number of shells total. It makes sense that the dealer doesn't have a perfect memory because humans don't either. Equating fair or even lazy game design as cannon lore doesn't make sense to me, if it was a higher budget game or something I might expect them to put more thought into how ai patterns affect lore.

  • @Frank_Erz
    @Frank_Erz 4 місяці тому +36

    this might just be the highest OK-per-minute I've ever heard

  • @pining_tree6788
    @pining_tree6788 4 місяці тому +54

    The fact that the dealer would do the 50/50 even if the bullet type is easy to figure out but either not the last or mg’d makes me wonder if there will ever be a version of the ai made that does count the bullets and makes decisions on that basis

    • @DeonGaming
      @DeonGaming 4 місяці тому +13

      That would be easy to implement too.
      1) Count all blank and real shells in the beginning.
      2) Substract each type of shell when used accordingly.
      3) Instead of doing 50/50 random roll, do the roll according to blank/real ratio to do a specific algorithm (yourself/opponent).
      I am kind of surprised they didn't implement it.

    • @furiouscorgi6614
      @furiouscorgi6614 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@DeonGamingtechnically, in code it wouldn't be that. It just needs to track live rounds and remaining rounds, and then, pick a random integer between 0 and remaining rounds, inclusive. If the random is less than live round, shoot enemy, else shoot self

    • @morgantrevino4881
      @morgantrevino4881 Місяць тому

      @@furiouscorgi6614we found the coder in the room

  • @ChrisNinjaEagle
    @ChrisNinjaEagle 4 місяці тому +93

    Hoping this blows up, this is unique, informative, high quality stuff right here

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +9

      Thanks, really appreciate that! Glad you got something out of it 👌

  • @hansj4832
    @hansj4832 4 місяці тому +106

    I'd be interested to see a mod where the dealer actually uses minimax (or expectiminimax, as the case would be here). Though I imagine that his behavior here is better for average game balance.

    • @dan_2247
      @dan_2247 4 місяці тому +2

      it'll become unplayable

    • @Cris_Blu
      @Cris_Blu 4 місяці тому +28

      @@dan_2247 nah, since you always go first, you still have a major advantage even against an AI who is making optimal choices I bet

    • @heliosspecialistarrogant7031
      @heliosspecialistarrogant7031 4 місяці тому +3

      ​​@@Cris_Blubetter the a.i always go kurt kobain

    • @rick30521
      @rick30521 4 місяці тому +2

      Have you played chess against AI? Yeah, that'd happen. Chess AI is fucking scary for no reason.

    • @hansj4832
      @hansj4832 4 місяці тому

      @@rick30521 Chess against an AI is impossible because chess is not a game of chance. Faced with both random items and a hidden random shell order, the AI is just going to do the best with what it's got, which may not be much.

  • @Thesnakerox
    @Thesnakerox Місяць тому +5

    Commenting from the future to note that I'm pretty sure in the Steam version's Double Or Nothing, Dealer actually keeps count of the shells in the gun. If there are more live shells than blanks left, he always shoots you. If there are more blanks, he always shoots himself (or inverts and then shoots you). And I think if there's an equal number of live and blank, he does a coin flip.
    That's just me guessing based on my observation, so I could be wrong though!

    • @clanker.4
      @clanker.4 20 днів тому +1

      that's why the rule number one of double or nothing mode is if you can, do not give the dealer any turn at all

  • @izu6833
    @izu6833 4 місяці тому +21

    I still love how Dealer can check bullet and still shot himself with life round

  • @piggy743
    @piggy743 4 місяці тому +45

    I've never even played the game, just watched youtubers play it, and I still find this super interesting.

  • @sambenedict7804
    @sambenedict7804 4 місяці тому +36

    11:01 “now heres the thing; that’s stupid actually. (sorry.)”
    had me cracking up, new sub 🙂
    edit: also this is a great video on a nice topic, i look forward to seeing what else you create

  • @gurlgutzzz
    @gurlgutzzz 2 місяці тому +5

    i love the muffled music from the game in the background, its honestly such a banger

  • @KaGoodPlayer999
    @KaGoodPlayer999 4 місяці тому +35

    Thanks for the online lesson, teacher!
    You honestly have a really nice "no bullshit" charm to how you explain things in this video, so I might actually check out your channel!

  • @Luigifan4ever11
    @Luigifan4ever11 4 місяці тому +36

    Thank you for this! This is a wonderful look into how it works, and you present it in an entertaining and easy to follow way. Part of me is interested in seeing a mode where the dealer actually keeps odds in mind (being able to use the same logical deduction we have, like in the 1 live/2 dud, seeing a dud go off, and knowing that there's a 1/2 chance) - but I understand there's a difference between realistic AI and an AI that's actually fun to play against, and I'm not sure where a more realistic AI logic would fall.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +7

      Really appreciate it! And yeah, I was thinking a similar thing. Was gonna try and write a bot to play the game in a smart way using monte carlo simulation, so maybe I'll actually follow through with that but try and plug it into the dealer AI instead lol.

    • @LunaLilliePad
      @LunaLilliePad 4 місяці тому

      @@delightfulkissboy8926i have a full decomp of the code that can be recompiled from source if you want to use it to make your mod!

    • @Luigifan4ever11
      @Luigifan4ever11 4 місяці тому +1

      @@delightfulkissboy8926 Interesting! I hope that goes well, I'd love to see how it goes.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@LunaLilliePadOh nice, that would be sick actually, is it uploaded somewhere?

  • @simpsondr12
    @simpsondr12 4 місяці тому +6

    Never played this game, got no idea why UA-cam recommended this video...
    Absolutely fascinating, great video.

  • @buttcheesegaming9983
    @buttcheesegaming9983 4 місяці тому +11

    Hope your channel grows well! Entertaining video to watch.

  • @jackr568
    @jackr568 4 місяці тому +10

    The powerpoint presentation hooked me in, no lie

  • @isaacmurray8490
    @isaacmurray8490 4 місяці тому +21

    It’s not designed for best advantage, it’s designed to make sure the player looses. This is to allow the game to be playable.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +26

      Right, I think the game is actually better with the existing AI, minus maybe a couple unintended behaviors.

  • @CysmaWinheim
    @CysmaWinheim 3 місяці тому +10

    If I were to write a smarter AI pattern, it would go something like this:
    1. If any health is missing, use cigarettes.
    2. If there are at least 2 shells remaining, use magnifying glass.
    3. If current shell is determined to be live, use handsaw.
    4. If at least one other live round is remaining, use handcuffs.
    5. If the current round is determined to be live, fire at opponent.
    6. If the current round is determined to be blank, fire at self.
    7. If the current round is undetermined but the ratio of remaining blanks to live rounds is 50% or greater, and there is more than one shell remaining, use beer.
    8. If the current shell is still undetermined, choose randomly to fire at opponent/self based on current ratio of remaining live/blank shells.
    Maybe not the most optimal AI, but probably still harder to beat than the current one.

    • @Kalmaro4152
      @Kalmaro4152 23 дні тому +2

      yeah, that AI would probably be REALLY difficult to play against. I'd imagine that to be a "Hard Mode" game play wise. And then in the "Very Hard Mode" the dealer will know what the last shell in the tube is, and plan his game around that as well.

    • @furiouscorgi6614
      @furiouscorgi6614 16 днів тому

      ​@@Kalmaro4152that AI covers for a last-round situation, since the last round will either be 1:0 or 0:1 ratio and its guaranteed to play properly with it

  • @Rokk_
    @Rokk_ Місяць тому +3

    I'd love to see a new writeup for the updated versions, including the Double Or Nothing mode where the dealer can use the burner phone item to gain information on a random upcoming shell. As well as the general AI changes, like him being able to count the rounds.

  • @CocoForBird
    @CocoForBird 4 місяці тому +23

    This keeps coming up in my recommended lol. I have never played this game, I don’t know what’s happening. Coming from a CS background though, I love the code analysis.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +7

      Yeah haha, kind of have a split audience between BG3 and this game rn. But same! I'm actually a software engineer, cool that you're in the same field 👌

  • @gethk.gelior4214
    @gethk.gelior4214 4 місяці тому +11

    I remember two weeks ago people were specifically calling this dealer AI "smart", and now that the behavior is cracked it instantly becomes dumb. How funny things turn out in very short periods of time.

  • @Mauser0
    @Mauser0 3 місяці тому +3

    I don’t ever plan on playing this game, however I have been a ton of strategy videos. It’s more fun to watch knowing what’s happening.

  • @almicc
    @almicc 4 місяці тому +7

    you sound like the guy from The Emperor's New Groove and I like that

    • @wayjae
      @wayjae 6 днів тому

      i was going through the comments looking for this comment lol

  • @marplejones8570
    @marplejones8570 4 місяці тому +5

    Dagoth Ur really knows his stuff.

  • @adronnmusic
    @adronnmusic 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for this interesting breakdown Mr. Warburton!

  • @bobbywesker6114
    @bobbywesker6114 4 місяці тому +2

    Thank you, Brock Sampson for your insightful video!

  • @Water-rg7gp
    @Water-rg7gp 4 місяці тому +149

    i played 13 games, dealer has never shot himself, his luck is ungodly.

    • @ColtonPrice095
      @ColtonPrice095 4 місяці тому +39

      what killing god does to a mf

    • @Water-rg7gp
      @Water-rg7gp 4 місяці тому +29

      17 games and hes still played perfectly every game

    • @vlc-cosplayer
      @vlc-cosplayer 4 місяці тому

      @@Water-rg7gp bro got the Skynet mod 💀

    • @The_Dr_Fate
      @The_Dr_Fate 4 місяці тому +7

      u mean he never shot himself with a alive round?

    • @Water-rg7gp
      @Water-rg7gp 4 місяці тому +1

      @@The_Dr_Fate correcting me literally does nothing

  • @itr-dev
    @itr-dev 4 місяці тому +11

    Good video, made me want to mod the game and fix the bug + make the dealer smarter ^^ Did a stream of it yesterday, but managed to mess up the calculations a little bit so gotta try again today.

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +8

      That's sick man, will check out the stream after work tonight 👌

    • @itr-dev
      @itr-dev 4 місяці тому +2

      @@delightfulkissboy8926 Uploaded a slightly shorter video of it! Might try to make a bot play the game for me at some point, was a fun mini-challenge.

  • @Weldedhodag
    @Weldedhodag 4 місяці тому +3

    dude made a damn powerpoint presentation

  • @Vermasium
    @Vermasium 25 днів тому

    i would have never expected "Delightful Kissboy" to be the one to explain a games AI to me. truly an enlightening experience.

  • @_-_-Sipita-_-_
    @_-_-Sipita-_-_ 4 місяці тому +6

    Didn't expect moist cr1tikal to be talking

  • @GibusSpy-trickstab
    @GibusSpy-trickstab 6 днів тому

    And we also have to thank you!
    For posting the video :D

  • @GarrettRatliff96
    @GarrettRatliff96 4 місяці тому +6

    Here 20 minutes after you posted. New sub

  • @stevethemastersword
    @stevethemastersword 4 місяці тому +8

    ive never heard a man blessed with a voice this close to patrick warburton

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +5

      😂 So far on this channel, I've gotten a 50/50 split of people saying I sound like Moist Cr1tikal or Patrick Warburton lol

    • @DParkerNunya
      @DParkerNunya 4 місяці тому

      ​@delightfulkissboy8926 I definitely heard Moist first, but the Patrick definitely grew on me the more I listened

  • @daansey4799
    @daansey4799 4 місяці тому +1

    It would be cool to watch you play a round of the game with this in mind and show how this info could be utilized!

  • @ArchAngelOfficialCh
    @ArchAngelOfficialCh 4 місяці тому +1

    Howdy. Great video, big tip if you ever make a similar kind of Game Theory video, it will help immensely to utilize payoff matrices. That way the viewer can easily read the strategy to payoff values as your talking them out. Instead of just the “Expected value is X”

  • @craniifer
    @craniifer 4 місяці тому +7

    Good to see someone cover this. The AI isn't terrible, just terrible in certain areas. You can game it, and that makes it more fun if anything.

  • @clyax113
    @clyax113 4 місяці тому +1

    For the example at 12:00, it helped me when I wrote it out to find that the Self shoot had an expected value of 1/3 to give -1 and a 2/3 to give 0. The second turn, assuming the worst doesn't happen, is always 50/50. This means that shooting yourself on a 1Live 2Blank isn't going to help you get an advantage; it will just be a risky chance to break even. On the flipside, it's bad for the Dealer if you choose to shoot him, with even the worst case scenario having you break even. The step between the shells available and the final expected value made understanding your explanation confusing until I got this.

  • @545coolkid
    @545coolkid 4 місяці тому +5

    Great video! Thanks for the information saw your post on reddit. You earned a subscription.
    I noticed in your high score video you said that the cigarettes lose you points, do you think you could make a video going in depth about what makes you losing points and what makes you gain points?
    I think that would make for a great video!

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +2

      Good idea! Might have to do that, was gonna take a crack at decompiling the game this weekend and I'm curious as well

  • @WhyIamhere1
    @WhyIamhere1 4 місяці тому

    This video is really MIND BLOWING

  • @nwordfword8073
    @nwordfword8073 4 місяці тому

    With a name like this, that’s an Instant subscribe

  • @kyleyuen245
    @kyleyuen245 4 місяці тому +3

    I've always found it interesting that since the dealer knows the last round every time it implies they are counting the rounds, but do a coin flip to give you chance to win. Like with casinos stopping at 17 for black jack

  • @Mr_skelebones
    @Mr_skelebones 4 місяці тому +4

    Thank you good sir for telling me the CRUCIAL info about the adorable dealer form buckshot roulette. 🤓👆

  • @Cyb3rSynaps3
    @Cyb3rSynaps3 3 місяці тому +3

    It would be really interesting for PVP to be added to this.

  • @Fawful0
    @Fawful0 4 місяці тому +4

    Not now mom, I'm listening to Joe Swanson break down the decision tree ai in an indie game

  • @grapEZz07
    @grapEZz07 2 місяці тому

    I love these kinds of videos

  • @theorangeoof926
    @theorangeoof926 4 місяці тому +17

    19:33 The Dealer is a confirmed alcoholic hahaha

  • @pretzels1208
    @pretzels1208 4 місяці тому

    i don't even know what buckshot roulette is and I watched the whole video. I found it very entertaining.

  • @HeDoMo3r
    @HeDoMo3r 4 місяці тому +15

    I once saw him using the magnifying glass and shooting himself... With a live round.

    • @NoppyOwO
      @NoppyOwO 4 місяці тому +6

      he was simply asserting dominance

  • @skeleton_craftGaming
    @skeleton_craftGaming 4 місяці тому +1

    you inspired me to write a little program that tracks the number of l/b rounds.

  • @menacingarc2297
    @menacingarc2297 9 днів тому +1

    This video sounds SO close to Kronk speaking and I keep hearing glimpses of it every now and then when his voice gets deeper.

  • @CrypticCobra
    @CrypticCobra 4 місяці тому +5

    I have seen him use a magnifier, saw the shotgun, beer out a live round, point it at himself and get hit by a live round. Clearly it must have been a bug because it made no damn sense.

  • @LoneWanderR
    @LoneWanderR 4 місяці тому +6

    Dealer just likes to booze it up and have a smoke! He doesnt have to worry about getting less than 70k at the end, so its all free to him.

  • @joshmorton4269
    @joshmorton4269 Місяць тому

    4:10 Loved this video, Great job

  • @Punykirby
    @Punykirby 4 місяці тому

    I assumed this was how he worked after playing but its nice to have it confirmed

  • @chrispplayz
    @chrispplayz 4 місяці тому

    Plz do more game reviews or vids like it cause I could watch for awhile

  • @piynkone
    @piynkone 4 місяці тому

    i don't even own buckshot roulette, this was just really entertaining

  • @Povilaz
    @Povilaz 4 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting!

  • @Daniscool97
    @Daniscool97 3 місяці тому +3

    I made Russian roulette ai before. I thought I was giving it too much knowledge when it know how many real shells are left

  • @8bitarmory846
    @8bitarmory846 4 місяці тому

    mentioned on another vid that it'd be interesting if the dealer actually counted the number of live and blank shells spent, specifically for that last shell condition

  • @iriswav7379
    @iriswav7379 4 місяці тому +6

    95% of gamblers quit before hitting big

  • @senseisawk
    @senseisawk 4 місяці тому +1

    You sound very similar to Joe from family guy and I love it

  • @katiekirks1253
    @katiekirks1253 20 днів тому +1

    I beat the game first try, but I want to learn how the dealer works. I really like learning how things work.

  • @chrispysaid
    @chrispysaid 4 місяці тому +1

    I have no idea what game this is and hearing your description under this context is a wild ride

  • @SomeoneElseInTheComments
    @SomeoneElseInTheComments 4 місяці тому +2

    "Who gives a fuck about how this shit works unless it lets you win more?"
    Me, not owning the game and enjoying the math and programming: ....

  • @dawnnightinger3025
    @dawnnightinger3025 4 місяці тому +1

    There is a proper order to use the items. Starting cigs. If you have less than max health, use one. Next with the beer. Use in only two scenarios. If there is only one live round left regardless of number of blanks, or if all remaining rounds are live unless it's the last bullet or handcuffs are in play. Then comes the magnifying glass. Now comes the handcuffs, if the current round is live and the next is unknown or live, use them. Finally, comes the saw. If the current round is known to be live, use it. Now, if it's live, fire at the dealer, if a blank, fire at self, and if unknown, fire at the dealer.

  • @shayes.x
    @shayes.x 4 місяці тому +7

    You seem like the kind of guy who would like Phasmophobia. Learning the different AI behaviors is key in that game

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +12

      Been meaning to check that game out! Some of my friends were into it for a while, but I missed the bandwagon. Maybe I should check it out anyway

  • @arcticmoon5230
    @arcticmoon5230 4 місяці тому

    Good ol’ prob & stats, crazy how I said I’d never use this after highschool.

  • @TheSizyanator
    @TheSizyanator 4 місяці тому +2

    Great video

  • @alexmaximus9134
    @alexmaximus9134 3 місяці тому +1

    I think that they should allow the dealer to count the shells as well, like players do. It'd make him do more informed decisions. And the chances will always be in the player's favour because the player always has the first turn. But giving him the ability to count and perhaps to use items more optimally would even the playing field more between player and dealer. Because, if you play optimally, unless RNG screws you over, you will win almost every time. It would make the game more intense.

  • @archie995
    @archie995 2 місяці тому +2

    i blame you for the new dealer AI being more difficult, they listened to what you said and fixed it 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @AstralKat
    @AstralKat 4 місяці тому +2

    I saw him use a magnifying glass and then immediately pop a can of beer to eject a live shell lmao, so that random order rule REALLY screws him over big time

  • @acestillwell98
    @acestillwell98 4 місяці тому +1

    I feel like even just a couple lines of code could make the AI much smarter, and I really do mean a few lines. Instead of 50/50 on unknown shells, the dealer could just use probability. Like we know how many shells are left and what is left, but not whats next (usually). You wouldn't even need to actually calculate the real probabilities. Assuming that there is 2 blank shells and 1 live shell in the tube, and its the dealers turn, the code in LUA could look like;
    Blank = 2
    Live = 1
    if Blank > Live then
    shootSelf()
    elseif Blank < Live then
    shootPlayer()
    if Blank == Live then
    flipCoin()
    end
    In the example, since there are more blanks, the dealer would shoot itself. Now obviously you could go into more detail, have the AI actually calculate real probability, maybe even take into account what the last shell was as well.

  • @Chrisbun1
    @Chrisbun1 4 місяці тому

    Thank you and all but I have to admit you sound exactly like one of my college professors and watching thos reminds me of prerecorded lectures lmao

  • @StoutShako
    @StoutShako 4 місяці тому

    never heard of this game before in my life nor do I ever plan on playing it but I sure af watched this entire video and I'm about to dive into that 3 hour livestream about it too Just Because

  • @galactic3536
    @galactic3536 3 місяці тому +1

    This is like a college lecture

  • @Gethin469
    @Gethin469 4 місяці тому +1

    You sound just like Patrick Warburton, which made the video a lot more amusing to me.

  • @centrallplays
    @centrallplays Місяць тому

    Very nice! ;)

  • @lamxdblessed3383
    @lamxdblessed3383 4 місяці тому +1

    2:53 i love how you fire a blank at him and then he just shoots me

  • @Nishye501
    @Nishye501 4 місяці тому +5

    I want someone to do dealer vs dealer now

    • @delightfulkissboy8926
      @delightfulkissboy8926  4 місяці тому +4

      That's a fun idea. Maybe I'll upload a run where I act like the dealer does and see how well I do lol, I'm guessing not very.

    • @Nishye501
      @Nishye501 4 місяці тому

      @@delightfulkissboy8926 nice, I can’t wait to see it