More Bad News! EA Sports WRC 2023 - I've Cancelled My Order
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2023
- Yup more bad new from EA about WRC 2023, my order has been cancelled and refunded.
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UDP has now been added so I will be pickup up a copy as soon as SRS (PT Actuator motion system software) add support for this game! 😃
I was definitely bummed when i booted it up and saw no UDP. Its a damn shame. It's like we get rally games by people who dont play rally games.
and you supported that people, now they have your money and no insentive to do any changing.... thanks for that. why don't people understand that voting with your wallet and not pre ordering games is the best thing we can do for ourselfs and the community? Especially by the double worst company of the USA, the worst game dev company in the games industry called EA. But EA is a 100% right by doing this. Because people like you give there money anyways....
lmao
@MrJoppashoppa They have my money too and, I'm glad they do because now I get to play the game, and it's brilliant. I think you've made the mistake of thinking that everybody else thinks the same things you do, they don't. HTH
Added support for User Datagram protocol (UDP) on PC. - two business days post launch. Y'all mans need to relax.
When EA is promising you something, but only after you've given them money, they're lying to you.
Same can be said about nearly any company. Especially in the gaming industry
@@boodybandit correct...
When EA is talking they are lying...
Problem is, EA owns the whole damn community
I was so excited for this game, and I'm so disappointed now. The optimization is GOD AWFUL, my 4090 is only about 65% utilized on average, the stuttering is almost unbearable too. Now no telemetry support? I'm actually furious at this point.
Fixes are coming today with a patch, including UDP telemetry support
Excellent!
EA sports it's in the game! If they meant bad performance and screen tearing then yes it's in the game 🙈
Your content is always solid. A few reviewers I trusted scammed me with Starfield. Some of the sim race reviewers I watch tried to pull the same trick with Forza. I watched a bunch of those same guys hyping EA WRC, and turns out its a half baked turd. Thanks for the honest vids Karl.
I was shocked when i try EA WRC for the first time. i was thinking on a refund
Then i spent a day to change settings for my own liking, and now i'm getting like it a bit
There are many issue and bugs and of course the lack of UDP Telemetry - I remember telemetry also was not supported by KT's WRC ... Thean a guy solved it
I really hope EA will change their policy, because UDP telemetry is a "must have" feature
What i really don't like is the flat surfaces. All track is total flat.
Only 2D bump maps were used. It is really a step backwards, in Dirt 4 / DR 2.0 they were hired the IT developer guys from Sega Rally because of the visualisation of 3D road degradations and they were awarded for that. That feature is total missing in EA Sports WRC and never ever will come back with any updates i guess.
About the "physica analysis" video: that is a scam, the guy is talking about the visual presentation of a 3D car movement, what he did seen before in gameplays.
If you watch videos about real cars with 360 degree gopros on attached to the car's back with a pole, the real car also looks like rotates in its center pivots as RBR car models too from the same chase cam
I hope UDP telemetry is coming soon.
I'm having a blast going flat out through kenya 😁 and chile is like wales/Scotland on steriods lol. UDP will be supported in an upcoming patch aswell , i would have just gave the game a blast its cool on my csl DD handles like dirt 2.0 but 10x times harder tracks
Oh yeah....UDP upcoming??? When?
agree with you 100% .. im having a blast with the game
@@jcaashby3 it didn't say a Dev on the EA forum said it's coming soon in update
UDP is now available running dash panel spot on with wrc 👍
They just shared the patch 1.3 notes and it seems there's gonna be UDP protocol support! Available tomorrow morning at 11am UTC time (which is the same as GMT).
Just FYI @Karl Gosling
Excellent!!
@@KarlGoslingin the Notes it said, only one person had this problem. I think they are referring to you.😂
They really should have waited another month or two to fix the bad performance and add the missing features in instead of potentially adding them later on
I have no performance issues lol. Like 160 fps. I just don’t like how night driving looks.
I also contacted EA live chat today and spoke to Divyanshu. I specifically asked about UDP telemetry support to which they had no answer. I also specifically asked for them to share the feedback with the dev team, as it would be nice to have some kind of acknowledgment of the communities concerns - especially as they have been touting this as more of a sim title than an arcade one. I play on PS5, but I still have wind, dashboards, and transducers in GT7, F1, and ACC. Given that this feature is in another EA game, it is disappointing not to see it here. There is screen tearing on PS5, and with the performance issues, lack of VR support, no triple screens on PC, it does seem like a huge missed opportunity for them as they could have released a feature packed, definitive rally experience.
I should clarify that ACC is on PC not PS5.
Spot on mate yes!
@@KarlGoslingI follow your channel because you’re honest mate. You can hear your disappointment. You cover issues 90% of others have neglected to mention. Total respect to you, and I completely appreciate you speaking with your wallet and sticking to your guns.
Ibstall the WRC Telemetry Patch 1.4 on Racedepartment for SimHub and Simtools support and the guy who did it was saying it took like minutes to do it. I guess that D-Box made some exclusive deal with the new publisher as well for their day 1 support and could take a while till this promised patch is coming (6 months?). The gauges showing wrong gear and rpm, but the shakers do a decent job with the patch if SimHub is setup correctly and one guy was stating that Simtools runs perfect. To get other software running should be easy with this patch at least for the devs as a workaround.
What we need is a PC Racing Game Checklist that devs can go though to make sure they aren't forgetting essential features like telemetry, triple screen support, FOV and seat adjustment, multi-device input, etc.
getting descent ffb "forza franchise"
No need. Devs new about it. They just decided not to care about it.
Can you add stuttering to that list...
Telemetry/UDP output is coming soon. I agree it's a pity this was not included straight away (and I'm also a bit dumbfounded by this for a modern rally game). However, it's not something we will live without for very long. Fixing the stuttering/graphical issues seems to be the top priority, but I'm guessing this will be following right behind those patches.
The game shouldn't have launched incomplete...
Sorry, but "coming soon" isn't good enough. It's not like you can only pay half price for the game because only half the promised features are included at launch. Stop accepting this bs from game developers
Dont launch a game like that ..
Fuck that. I am tired of games coming out missing shit. There is no date as far as I know for any of the two things I want....VR and UDP. It could come a week, a month or a year from now. Not that big of a deal as I will just keep playing DR2 and maybe get a CDkey and try out DR1.
@@matta2738 This would probably be the only way I would get it now....half price and I will pay the other half when the missing things are added. As it is now if we get the game they do not have to add VR, UDP or Triple support now or ever...they have the money!
I’m in the same wagon and I’m glad I didn’t preorder. I’ve got a VR only motion sim, I’d been quite hyped about WRC but I’ll wait for VR and UDP to purchase it.
The main shit you need is not even in the damn game! So tired of new games ...and having to wait for shit. Went through it with BF 2042 and Cyberpunk (although not missing things it was clear the game was not ready to release)
I have triple screens & 4 bass shaker + buttkicker pro mounted on my rig which took me a while to build so not being able to use simhub or any telemetry is a step down for me (from dr2 & rbr). I probably buy it back if they added those features but for now I got it refunded. There are also a lot of people enjoying it so i’m happy for them 👍🏼
Thats my view exactly, lets just stick with DR2.0 and have a nearer to sim experience for now.
Having now played the game on PS5 the frame rate issues are bad, stuttering, scenery pop in & screen tearing are all over the place. Mostly through tight corners. So the game needs a day one patch urgently 🤔
Typical :(
This is about not pre ordering which we should do by default anyway.
Very disappointing, for a company ‘targeting’ sim racers, to take away the fundamentals of possibility to enjoy a product to its full potential, especially when the former Dirt Rally 2.0 was compatible with motion simulators is ridiculous, it’s like developing a game in 2023 with unreal engine graphics and then playing it on windows 95, EA once again ruining gaming experience with money from the masses being the priority.
I had hope for this WRC but I’m now left frustrated and angry that they appear to of FIFA’d an attempt at a Rally simcade, of which the sim community is in much need of.
I'm running triple 32's with Nvidia Sorround, FOV and everything looks good. I will admit, this was my first time running without my new 300w Slip Angle system, and it felt pretty bland! The game is fun for sure, but oh man what we are missing out on without bass shakers. As always, I appreciate the content brother! Running GTOmega Prime and Slip Angle based off of your feedback. Thanks!
Get a refund!!
How is the fov looking good when the image is stretched and distorted across 3 Monitors?
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 if it were stretched and/or distorted, I wouldn't say that it was looking good.
@@adamsteff7856 it must be stretched and distorted because it doesn't have native triple screen support
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 you're familiar with nvidia sorround? It has 7680x1440 native resolution in game.
I dont feel the need to rush into a day one release. Quite happy to wait until everyone has QA and patch tested and it matures before i part with my money.
Hey Karl, so good news. EA release today a new patch which will support UDP telemetry. ;-)
Yeah thats great! Now just for SRS to update and my motion will be alive!
Good for you for standing your ground. I was very outspoken about all the issues I saw from reviews but bought the game last night anyway and played it. What's much improved is the FFB compared to DR2...huge difference! Physics actually wouldn't be so bad if cars had overall 10% less grip on all road surfaces and 60% less grip off the road. You can pretty much cut everywhere without issues, which is a major deal breaker. You can even use gravel banks on the side of the road in most cases to drive on. It may even make you faster. Optimization is poor at this point but it is possible to dial everything in to look and feel good without major issues, but there is still a stutter or two no matter what. Overall it's not polished at all. The best cars to drive are older and lower end cars. WRC1 cars are by far the worst, although all sounds are amazing and are very immersive. Game having too much grip is very noticeable with WRC1 cars, especially when driving off road. I was literally falling off a rocky cliff at full speed sliding backwards with tarmac tires and my car immediately gripped up, shot up in the air, and got back on the road. That was the most disappointing moment. I pretty much just shook my head and stopped playing. If they ever support VR it will be a nice experience because some of the stages look great, but they shouldn't even think about it until fully optimized. I have a sad feeling that we will get the fixed version of this game next year as EA Sports WRC 2024, and that's if we are lucky and they care enough to listen to much deserved criticism.
Ah that doesn't sound good at all mate!
Damn I have little hope that they can even pull off a good VR option with the issues you listed.
Not sure if this is a good gauge but with all the issues people had with DR2 VR and all the tweaks needed to get it to look and run better I have the mindset that WRC may take awhile to get in a good place.
Yes people are having fun but a lot of the issues are not affecting everyone. I think console players are less affected then us PC players.
Agreed i was thinking thaf too full price again for wrc 2025.
@@Sherlock245 with a whole set of new issues and things missing that are in this current game.
@@jcaashby3 they will milk you dry.😟😟
Thank you Karl for sharing, I still think you should get the game and give your opinion on it. A lot of people are expecting your thoughts and it can be good content whether it is an unfinished product or not. But you decide.
i was pretty suprised when i found out that the game came without telemetry support. altho i cant complain for now, still crossing fingers that we get it soon.
This doesn't change my iron law of NEVER pre order and NEVER buy on day one.
100%
finally someone who speaks out. EVERYBODY else on youtube and Instagram who concider themselves as influencer or some shit is praising the game. how / why is just beyond me. spent about 11 hours in WRC 23 now (you can refund no matter how long you played, as long as you do it before official release). and I am so very disappointed. handling, grip levels are just so bad for some cars. Fiat 131 on tarmac is like an LMP
TBH I'm not impressed with it. Drops frame rates. Can't believe no UDP? The FFB is better on DR2 anyway. The overall FFB is numb and disconnected to the road in both gravel and tarmac. It justs feels like the steering weight is greater. Almost no road effects at all. even tyre slip, nothing.
WRC Telemetry Patch on Race Department has support for the new WRC. Totally agree this should be built-in, though.
Would you know if buttkicker or bass shakers can work through it?
Yeah I'm gonna say that this video is just clickbait. Most of these issues have already been worked around...
Modders save the day again
Yep, I waited more for WRC 10 and Generations to get the patch, now we have it at launch ;) And also D-Box is supported as far as I can see, just telemetry is not exposed. Most of these fancy toys we use are DIY stuff based on mod community software in the first place. I also see tons of wheel hardware not supported on launch without you editing XMLs (again something we’ve all already seen). I guess we will get much more things supported later on post-launch, this seems to be the trend with lot of games lately… Either way, watched tons of negative videos from lot of people, who haven’t even played the game. I got it and I like it, I will be definitely playing it ;)
@@StephenDeTomasilol? The patch from rd show rpm and gear changes wrong. And you still can’t use motion with it. It’s more an accurate accusation than ever. This game should have udp telemetry from the start aswell as vr/triple screen support. It’s just a laughing joke at 2023.
Big thanks for this video, it contains all the information I needed. Maybe I'd even suggest to put 'simhub support' or sth in the title, I can imagine many others are looking for the same info!
My biggest gripe with the game is the lack of optimisation. Stuttering etc. I wouldn’t say it’s a step down from dirt rally 2. The stages are certainly an improvement. So many elevation changes and career mode is loads better.
I think it's bc of shader compilation beeing done during gameplay instead of doing it in the menus...
Yep same. My issue is the frame drops on ps5 but the stages and cars are nice. I don't have any of the stuff he has cause the ps5 doesn't allow but as of now it's not bad. Great stages for sure!!
the suspension physics are completely off at the moment. the roads are much smoother compared to DR2.0 which does a better job with bumps. this feels much more floaty. its a shame because had it stayed the same this wouldve been GOAT rally game
i agree, ive been playing around a lot with the FFB and have put the suspension feedback to 125%. It'll probably be addressed in time like most issues in these "live service" (beta) games. i have hope!@@NOMOREDEI
@@XxAfroThundaxX I'm on PS5 too. It seems like the stuttering and tearing issues happen across both consoles. I've read somewhere that they have a week 1 patch to sort it out. Crazy but i guess its the times we live in.
This is why I have given up on EA a long time ago. Since the news came out they are taking over Codemasters, I knew it was RiP for F1 and Dirt.
Yeah exactly, me too, the moment I knew EA bought Codemasters, I knew all racing games are done ..
The sad truth is, as a game dev myself ( V-Rally ,TDU, The Crew) , is publisher like E.A. just think by numbers... % of people using steering wheel ? is < X, cancel.. % of peoper using tripple , VR ? even lower, % of user using motion.. 0.00001%? ... so they just cancel those to save man power cost.. because they don't care AT ALL about game quality, they just want to make money. So sure they will try a certain quality threshold in for the majority of players but that's all.
I was so lucky to work in teams that they were all passionate, and as the physics guy, I would a bit forcing to implement steering wheel FFB and H-Shiter in TDU and The Crew, and my coworkers were all in with it as passionate car guys too. But if we'd ask our publisher about it , not sure they would have allowed it if we'd have tell them how much time I spent of those features compare to the % of player who were using it.
Yeah you're 100% right mate!
I canceled mine when I heard they lied about triple monitor support. This is just beyond pathetic tho, I am not surprised sadly.
I was also very excited when EA Sports' WRC was announced. But after the VR delay and now the telemetry delay, I lost interest. This actually feels good :D, so I'll just continue to enjoy and play DR2.0. Lets see how WRC looks like in 6 months :) Thanks for your videos!!
Same for me. I just got a VR headset ...blown away by DR2 in VR especially adding the OpenXR toolkit to bypass SteamVR has improved performance and visuals. I will be spending more time with DR2.0 for sure. EA just lost a sale and saved me some money.
I also ordered bass speakers so that is another reason NOT to get WRC now. No VR or UDP info....hard pass.
Same@@jcaashby3
Being a ps5 and vr2 owner I'm not buying a formula one game again until it supports vr, now I've experienced vr with GT7 there isn't any interest to me playing a racing game without it! Game changer and all racing games need to support this technology now!
Patch 1.3 Added support for User Datagram protocol (UDP) on PC.
EA WRC latest patch added in this:
Added support for User Datagram protocol (UDP) on PC.
Appreciate your standpoint Karl, though per your point asking to hear from those who would like to see your review regardless - I have been trying to dial in my CSL DD FFB settings and would very much appreciate your take! I "brought across" the same DR 2.0 FFB settings per your prior video on that, but I'm very keen to know what (if anything) you might tweak given this new WRC title's alleged change in handling, physics, etc.
As for UDP I use 'Sim Dashboard' on an old Android tablet and am happy to wait. I'm not as invested in it as you are with all your additional peripherals (though one day I hope to be).
Not telling you how to suck eggs at all but there are likely others subscribed to your channel without (or with minimal) UDP kit who are in the same boat as me - waiting to hear from your valued opinion on the game's handling & therefore the FFB. That said whenever you choose to post a video on this is fine by me, I will just wait.
Cheers mate and keep the content coming!
This is a shame that they are only interested in the money and not pleasing the customer, I am a Simagic owner and love the wheel base but after along while come to find out that a lot of games that I own are not supported by either the wheel maker or the game developers. And not having an income at my age that I can go out and replace it at will. To say a Fanatec or some compatible system is nuts. Why can't these people developing these things, and get it right the first time. I thought these developer folks were smarter then they let on to be.
I don't know this channel, but youtube suddenly started sending me videos about several modders trying to do rally and gravel in Assetto Corsa(!). If you ignore the early state of things and even the stages ripped from DR2.0 and all the compromises they must have made to fake the gravel-feel, the cars behave are amazingly more lively than the EA WRC. You see all the weight of the car and the weight transfer. The AC devs never wanted to go in that direction of course, but I'd keep an eye out for it. Time and time again we have seen things in AC the devs said were impossible.
I'm not buying WRC until it has VR, just like last time.
Hey Karl! I can confirm with you that even though it doesn't have native triple support, using Simple Runtime Window Editor like I did for DR2.0 actually works and doesn't produce a hyper stretched out screen. I'm on triple 2K 32s, and it's working quite well. The UDP is def a bummer I agree, but considering it'll be here soon I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of "may as well get rid of all wheel support then" as the great great majority of players don't use DDUs or motion. I know they'll add it and I def wish they would have added it at launch, but I promise you when they do add it and if you eventually get it, you'll like it :) until then, keep making awesome content it's been quite insightful for me to watch!
Thanks mate, I'll get a copy as and when the features I need are implemented for sure!
hi can you explain this Runtime Window editor please? I have 3x49" 4k tv running eyefinity, It's ok but if there are improvements to be had I'd be gratefull
@@trevorjlewis sure thing! It’s a program that basically artificially stretches a window to your specifications, however with WRC it somehow doesn’t feel “stretched” as it does have native ultrawide support. Check my most recent video I did a tutorial on making it work :)
UDP in the morning mate
@@KarlGosling
Never pre-order any game, especially from EA. You'll pay a premium for a broken product. It usually takes 6-12 months to fix all major issues and add content that was promised at release. By then price drops by 25-50%. Save yourself money and frustration.
I think it might be important for someone in your position to release an accurate review of the game at launch. Just play for less than 2hrs and refund it!
You can't give an accurate review of a game after just two hours of playing. I've been playing it for almost 40 hours and still need to do more testing in regards to the handling so that my review is actually accurate.
it takes way more than 2 hours to get through the setting up process, the menus and UI are a complete shambles, so you run out of 2 hours before you even get to drive a car.
Typical of EA & Codemashers...
This BS is why I've not bought an EA game since BF4.
Nor a Codemashers game since GREED 2019 *AHEM* GRID 2019.
I laughed my arse off when EA bought Codies as I tried warning them that if their attitude to their customers and consistent refusal to fix their games didn't, they didn't deserve to survive, just to be banned from their forums and steam discussions for "making threats".
Imagine my surprise 2 months later when Chris Groves (the mupppet that banned me) BEGGED for me to revisit the game and change my Steam review as they'd done some tiny meaningless fixes yet STILL ignored the major bugs people ACTUALLY wanted to be fixed, also asking that I vote for them in the BAFTA game awards for the nemesis feature in the "best game innovation" category!
I had to advise him of the fact that nemesis wasn't new and as I was the ONLY gamer with access to the press preview of Grid Autosport (given to me by his predecessor Loore aka Ben Walke for sending a complete stranger an entire pc so he could play games again).
As such I was an unofficial game tester who's input lead to minor fixes pre-launch plus an invitation to Codies HQ to test future games currently in development along with 5 others but sadly, I was unable to get time off work due to a mere 2 weeks notice.
ALL this therefore, meant I DAMNED WELL KNEW "nemesis" was part of Autosport but hidden in the background to try encourage good track behavior as the Autosport AI responded to player behaviour, drive clean? The AI drove clean. Act like a dick? Watch your back cause the AI you trashed would be gunning for you throughout the rest of that race series, in GREED they forgot you end of each race!
So no I'm not in the Least surprised by this..
EA/Codies don't give a monkeys fart about anything other than conning people out of the contents of their wallets year in year out.
This and the PC3 debacle lead to EA firing Ian Bell from SMS, closely followed by Codies CEO & CFO for claiming humble bundle deals and gamepass dls of GREED were full price sales when the game was only "full price" for a total of 78 days after launch...
Maybe EA being robbed like this of 1.2 billion dollars when buying Codies right after they'd destroyed most of their IP is why EA has tried to sell out to Comcast, Amazon, Apple, Time Warner and others just to be told in no uncertain terms... "GET TAE F**K!"
They should update their “E A Sports.. IT’S IN THE GAME” intro to also contain. “Eventually, or maybe not.. or, hey you’ve bought it now so we’ll just make it a feature of next years game”
“E A Sports, coming soon into the game!”
🤣😢😭
I bought it, will try physics and will refund within 2 hours, probably will buy again once VR support and UDP gets implemented.
Thanks for being honest about it. Not considering it anymore. Typical ea and CodeMaster’s bullshit all over again.
I just keep playing Richard Burns Rally (RSF aka Hungarian plugin). By physics, car handling, amount of content, etc. it is still way better than everything else. Though I was curious about a new rally game, but the more I see, the less I am excited.
When and if EA adds all the missing pieces, then I buy the game (for me personally telemetry is the most important thing to make accessories work with simhub). But I am not giving them a single euro in advance, they finish the product - I pay, that’s the only way.
Agreed mate!
I know this is another essay I'm writing but there is some valuable information in there which I think you'll be interested in.
First of all, I can fully understand the frustration and your reasoning behind the decision to cancel your order based on the features that you rate very highly which are lacking from the game, for now. Two things I do want to point out though, and please don't feel offended or annoyed for stating these as it's not my intention. I know you are probably tired of the same points being brought up. However, I still believe they are a perfectly valid reason as to why those features are missing at this point in time.
Number one: a complete high end sim rig like yours or one similar to it, is something very very few people within the targeted audience can enjoy. There's no denying that, is there? Think it's about one percent of it and wouldn't even be surprised if it's far less. And I'm not talking about just using triples but rather the whole package you have at your disposal. You did mention that you would keep the order if only true triple screen support was lacking. Considering the vast amount of content, features, game modes etc. the game has as well as the fact it's the first time they develop a game using the Unreal engine, the features you and others consider very important are low priority features for the developers based on the targeted audience as a whole. As you described it perfectly yourself, these are all fun accessories. In other words not vital for the core gameplay. You can play the game perfectly without them.
Number two: the UDP telemetry support is on the low priority list as well for the reasons I described earlier. But both this and things like VR or true triple screen support aren't features they outright refuse to bother with like some other racing titles. KT Racing's WRC games never even considered implementing VR for example. For current developers, it's something they definitely want to add, however not at the expense of core aspects accessible to any player at launch regardless of platform.
I also believe it's very important to stress the fact that they are looking into many of these features and are actively trying to implement them post-launch. It shows that the development team doesn't just release the game and moves on to the next project but that they are dedicated to updating and adding more low priority features post-launch, such as VR, true triple screen and UDP telemetry support. People in general want what they want straight away but when designing a game on this scale, it's simply not always possible. I'm of the opinion that, despite these features not being present at launch, the developers should be applauded for actually looking into what they can still do post-launch. Not many development teams do that these days, unfortunately.
Going as far as to say "I might just sit on the couch with an Xbox controller" or "What are they going to do next? Cancel steering wheel support?", is a bit too much, don't you think? Haha
Plenty of wheels, pedals, shifters and handbrakes are supported with again more being added over time like the MOZA ones to give you one example.
When it comes to videos you've watched where you suspect the carefully worded phrasing is due to some sort of restrictions, is definitely not the true.
We were completely free to discuss the game in any way we wanted and share our genuine thoughts and impressions.
The only thing we weren't allowed to do was share footage of 3 specific locations.
They also advised us to avoid the topic of performance issues as that specific game build was not optimised enough.
That's it. Nothing more...
Regarding the opinions of those you talked to, saying it's a step backwards from DR2.0 or those in comments saying it rotates on a central axis...
In my humble opinion, this title is actually a big step forwards. Yes, it's not perfect which is completely understandable. No sim racing title is 100% accurate.
However, there are only two elements they should really work on from my point of view.
The suspension is a bit too forgiving, especially when it comes to the older historic cars. For the modern Rally3, Rally2 and Rally1 cars it's actually pretty damn accurate.
The second element concerns torque based slip, especially on tarmac. F2 Kit Cars should spin out the front tyres far more aggressively and the same is the case for the rear tyres on RWD cars.
The 4WD cars, especially the most modern ones, are far more decent but they still regain grip too much when flooring it out of tighter corners such as hairpins for example or after applying the handbrake.
FYI, that's a sentiment shared by someone who actually competes in WRC2 and has also competed in a Rally1 car on multiple occasions.
He didn't say that in front of a camera or for an interview. That came up in a simple conversation between two people.
The statement about cars rotating around a central axis point is just complete rubbish and has been categorically disproven at this point.
Now, there is one YT video in particular that blew up regarding this topic where the person talked about it based on what he saw from footage posted by others.
That same person has now come out with another video after playing it himself and said that he doesn't really feel that pivoting on a central axis at all.
I think that's saying a lot...
If you managed to go through the whole thing, I appreciate it. And feel free to react. Always available for a healthy discussion.
Good effort/write up, unfortunately Karl is only interested in reading and replying to comments that back up his negative bias, very little discussion to be had, he's just here to perpetuate the negative, toxic attitude of the simracing community.
Agree......no wind, no rumble, no buy!
Same.
oooo, the poor 1%!
as a community I feel like we should advertise not pre-ordering a game ever I want that to stop because it's one of the many way the industry is being ruined.
Shareholders rely on those to predict the game success but again all they think is about their bank accounts. WHY SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE OR SUPPORT YOU???
I mean i understand your frustration but believing that EA Sports Rally WRC is a step back from DR2.0 is a mistake. It might not be a hardcore sim titel but it is good fun. Really good fun. And definitely an update to what we loved in DR2.0. I bet when you buy this eventually in some time when its price reduced, you will come to the same conclusion :)
I hope so too mate, I just need at least my motion and wind etc or for me it will be like having no FFB! lol
No surprise. And what they'll also do is pull all the previous WRC titles from digital stores just like they did with F1 and FIFA.
EA has never been a SIM conscience kinda company when it comes to driving. They've gone as far as releasing NFS titles without wheel support.
Thank you! Saved me some money on buying WRC. I am getting tired of games coming out that are not completed. They seem to say these days, we will fix it later. We all need to stop buying this stuff till it’s complete. Kinda sad how the game industry has gone with releasing half-baked games. 😢
Have driven it, would agree with the information you're getting about the handling. Feels like Dirt 4 and Dirt Rally had a dumbed down lovechild. Made me miss DR 2 instantly.
Oh dear!
@@KarlGosling It's a very forgiving rally simcade. Even all assists off, full damage I was able to complete stages I've never driven before (and I'm pretty terrible). Is this a bad thing? Not necessarily, but it certainly flies in the face of all their buzzwords about this being an evolution of DR 2 physics. Because it's more approachable I suppose it may bring plenty of people into the fold. I'm on the fence about putting in more playtime or going for my steam refund, as the game also suffers traversal stutter, micro stutter from lack of texture compiling, and lots of other signs of a poorly optimized pc release.
@@zedstrange Isn’t the whole point of rally to be able to finish an unfamiliar stage? I also do disagree with it being forgiving, especially compared to DR2.0 which I’ve found to be quite a bit more arcady than EA WRC. There are a lot of moves that respond much more naturally on the EA WRC. To me the biggest issue is the input delay and filtering. For me, it’s been the challenge to fight against.
(EA Support)
Hey Everyone,
I wanted to drop in this thread with a brief update,
D-BOX motion will be supported at launch. Additional UDP will be supported in an upcoming patch. We will share more information when we have it.
Cheers,
why not finish the game before the release? crazy idea, huh?
This poor man is on such an emotional roller coaster with this release. Sorry my man. No telemetry is deal breaker for me, too.
I was so looking forward to it a few weeks ago! lol
I run D Box Gen 5, I have wind, and transducers and triples. I have played 2.7 hours of EA WRC and many hundred hours of DR2. Within my almost 3 hours of WRC play I have decided to refund it. Over all the game feels like it has too much grip, so much that I get bored driving along. THe graphics are a step backwards for sure, The FFB feels pretty good and there does seem to be more connection to the surface compared to DR2, but the cars lack weight. With the disappointing graphics, no triple and UDP support its a no go. I may give it another go a few month down the road if they add triple support etc. I have a feeling even when EA delivers that I will return it again
Do you realise it's already out! When you buy the pre-order you can play it 3 days before its released. I think its ok but you do have to have a decent pc to play it smoothly on ultra settings!
Obviously yes.
Why would he play it when it does not match his set up at all. No triples...no bass speakers...no air blowing. No motion. I would have refunded as well if I pre-ordered.
There is something I’m not understanding here. Cookie and Cars posted a video two days ago of her playing this WRC game by EA on her triple monitor rig, and it appeared to work just fine.
You can still run it on triple screen but it’s just a flat image stretched across three screens. True triple screen support displays a side view for the left and right screen. A stretched image is bot the same thing
This!
Its a mess. The physics have just gone totally the wrong way for gravel. Cars still pendulum swing round the middle. Went back to DR1/2 its night and day better handling. Cant hold a RWD oversteer with the throttle. Performance OK for me on PC. Even some car sound models have gone backwards. Lots of good stages and car models but those physics get in the way of the fun.
It may not have all those features but what it lacks it makes up for with an insane amount of frame stutters lol. I preordered it unfortunately and have about an hour and a half on it so far and its terrible on a slightly better than recommended spec pc. Its very poorly optimised and having to use ultra-low graphic settings is an all time new low for me and of two minds atm of either wait and hope they fix it or refund it.
I did not purchase, I was holding off on the triple monitor support. Single screen racing is hard as hell I find so held off.
Happy to wait. Not in it, that’s fine. I can pass as well :)
I just do not understand why sim racing is forgotten with many features in a game. We are more likely to get an indie dev incorporating these features compared to a large publisher… it’s like they live in the past and not with the times.
Everything EA puts their dirty paws on turns to s***t. I have maybe 3 hrs into it on xbox. Overall its better than last 2 WRC games.. but dirt 2 would chew it up and spit it out all day long. If I'm being honest, dirt 2 would do that to a lot of sims. I regret getting it.
Karl, I get your frustration, but honestly, I think you're missing out here. Normally I only play in VR, so I, as well as you, will have to wait for the patch to use WRC 23 as extended.
Nevertheless I decided to preorder the game (10% off is 10% off 🙂) and play it in pancake mode as long as I have to.
I don't regret this decision. I don't care what any UA-camr with or without NDA will say (and the end of they day you guys are all chasing for views anyway) but I'm absolutely having a blast. The FFB is definitely a step forward from DR2, for example I'm finally getting a feeling about the car's different weight. (I'm on a VRS DFP)
Finally take a look at SimHub's changelog: The current version has added compatibility to a telemetry patch on RaceDepartment. Maybe that scratches the itch until the official patch comes out.
Cheers!
yeah I always wait when EA releases a new game. Maybe in time it will a be good title but I'll wait until they work out the issues before I spend money one it.
Help me, my shifter isn’t working and your video dos not fix it, it’s other in reverse or neutral and even if I put it in 6’th and stil in reverse
I don’t have all that stuff and the game feels great compared to wrc 10 and generations. I didn’t have DR2 on pc only Xbox but that’s a shame you can’t run all that other stuff 😭
I canceled my pre-order after I try free trial. Going back to Dirt 2.0
I’ll keep on my Dirt Rally 2.0 until EA WRC is subjectively acceptable to me. No need to intentionally disappoint myself
It’s a shame but would still like your first impressions on it when it becomes available
As some don’t have all the extra features (tactile etc)so would be nice to know from your perspective what the game is like from just a wheel point of view as we all know how much of a rally enthusiast you are :)
I'll look at it again if and when the missing features materialize mate, or maybe pickup a cheap copy.. for me no tactile, wind, or motion is like turning off the FFB for others :(
Hey Karl, I'm actually lucky I have a D-Box motion system and support was there on day 1. For the triples, I tried it using Nvidia surround, as you know it's distorted but more playable than a game like Forza, where you drive against others. In Rally, it's not as bad, but the speed effect is not accurate since it's distorted. I also tried playing on a single monitor, but I prefer using 3 monitors with some distortion on the sides. Let's cross our fingers for real triple support (which I highly doubt it will ever come). UDP was there in older games, my guess it will come soon in an update. I actually wanted to add an old cell phone and display some stuff on it...too bad! For the game itself, I think it's not that bad, there is really some potential.
I'll still give it a go a some point and hopefully the missing features will come.
I am dumbfounded by no telemetry out. VR and Triples, ok, there aren't that many of us in the grand scheme of things. But come on, even Forza 8 and GT7 on a friggin PS5 can feed SimHub. I feel like Obi Wan to Anakin... "You were the chosen one?!". I guess I will get Alan Wake 2 instead!
Someone just added a "fix" to racedepartment to stop stretching on triple / ultra wide setups.
tarmac physic is better than in dirt rally 2.0. Feels more like in richard burns now. Biggest issue is performance for me right now. Rest might come eventually. I would recommend you to give it a run anyways. RC 1 Cars are great fun.
Wow so EA made a Keyboard and Mouse drive Sim that nobody will buy or play. Thats Shocking, Turn your back on the Most promoting group of streamers to give your product free advertising. Smart College Boy in charge that never played a Video Game EVER and thinks his New Game Idea will make Big Money. BAD NEWS it's all Monopoly Money. What a Joke. Good Video Sir.
I didnt know about UDP not being there. Come on EA. To be a premier racing game in 2023 you need to deliver triple screen support, VR support and UDP telemetry. Codies delivered 2 of those in dirt rally 2 some 4 years ago. Canceling my order too.
Ok. Asked for a refund today. Gamermuscle hit the nail on the head. I don't know WTF is going on with the physics. Snap oversteer that comes into play when pushing the car to the limits. I just don't want to play this anymore. Something is not right with the physics. Id rather go back to Dirt 2.0 for now. Maybe in 6 months to a year it will be fixed.
Got mine refunded as well, thnaks for the vid.
Honestly why is it always EA that seem to put limits to these games. It's like they want to piss us off. EA needs to let developer make the games we want instead of pushing the half finished bullshit. I am on the path of just not buying any new game at this point because they just dont give a shit especially at launch of games.
Agreed!
Hey mate, sorry this is off topic. I’ve tried my best to keep up with your sim rig reviews over the years but i am a bit out of touch. I have the shocking, bobsleigh/shopping trolley - esque IDX seat from currys. Struggling for space, can you recommend any wheel/pedal/gear mounts that you can use infront of a chair/couch? (the ones without a seat basically) Any replies appreciated
The f-up thing is that EA has probably generated enough hype around the game to justify releasing it unfinished.
Promises for updates from EA is like trusting 343 to fix desync.
I mean, it is a company that almost monetized reloading ammo for their FPS games.
Codemasters isn't codemasters anymore. .
Codemasters is done, the moment they decided to sell it
Decided not to purchase. No point without triple screens.
I bought my G920 & playseat challenge on your recommendation 2 years ago, Kinda frustrated that your opinion of this game is only validated unless your running a multi thousand dollar rig. I'm glad your being honest about your stance, a boycott is a little too far. Don't get me wrong F*** EA .
I actually have no opinion on the game itself (haven't played it), I'm just very disappointed it's missing a lot of features that a simulation title should have, without these it isn't really a sim and thats what it was touted as.
Yeah imagine my disappointment after installing it, booting it up and then realizing I can't use my shakers and DDU with the game. I will not be playing it until that is fixed and it REALLY should have been there from the start.
Karl, it is worth trying I have 12hrs up on WRC & it has some good stages, my PC & rig is not up to the standard that you run but I guess it about fun & cost me the same as a meal out yesterday, that's all gone but I still have WRC & I do understand where you are coming from.
Problem for me mate it not having UDP is like having no FFB for most... the game will feel lifeless... I'll wait till it comes! :)
@@KarlGosling understand completely
As I said on the Simpit, they broke a good game (DR2.0) by prioritizing the WRC brand over everything else, even the fact that they only support a motion rig that costs more than a real car that not everybody can afford, they should have improved DR2.0 over the WRC, more stages etc, instead, it's all about the WRC brand, sick of it now... plus, lets not forget, it's not much different to WRC9-10 and Generations... it's game over for me and WRC, they keep selling polished turds... Codemasters has turned into a let down joining with EA...
I switched back to DR2 yesterday. I really don't want to drive a sim without butkicker support.
So far also no support for IRview, that pisses me off!
Feels lifeless without tactile or motion doesn't it.
UDP came yesterday and works at least with Simhub (dashboards and bass shakers)
Yes mate I'm just waiting for an SRS update to support it now :)
Damn..... This is terrible news. I have the preorder and preinstall on my XSX already. I have not started it at all yet though
My wallet doesn't allow me to have motion lol but if i can't use my bass shakers then im not buying it. I was waiting for VR support anyway so who knows maybe they'll add support for the telemetry later on but it's EA, not getting my hopes up.
Bass shakers are awesome and I think everyone should have them if they can, it's as close to motion as you can get!
But probably we will get some DLC's with cool stickers, can't wait for it. Welcome to EA world.
Karl SRS now supports it it’s still in beta, I did notice the pitch is wrong though but have got to be honest motion as brought it alive. It’s not a die hard core sim but is it wrong to say I’m really enjoying it. My biggest complaint is the grip level when trying to handbrake out of a air pin it just gains grip right away and can get messy. Triple screen support and a few physics issues it would be my go to ha
Yeah the UDP stream was made available a few days ago I'm just waiting for SRS full support and I'll jump on it.
@@KarlGosling can’t wait to see what you think
What a bummer Karl, I have it and run on a 34in ultra-wide and I'm having a blast so what you mention is not an issue to me but I understand you being upset and canceling your order. I hope they open their eyes and patch these missing components as it should be.
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This is the only thing we can do when game developers doesn't meet essential expectations and doesnt respond to feedback. We stop buying it. It is the only feedback they understand it seems. Do not give them your hard earned money when they cant be bothered.
I still say it’s just a polished version of DR2.0. There are small things that just look just like DR2.0 like the marshal waiving you to stop. It’s the exact same animation in WRC as in DR2.0
It's not a next gen game at all, in my opinion it's even much worse than DR2
XBSX version here - I don’t think it’s a polished version of 2.0. Visually, it’s a step back, complete with screen tearing, hitching and an overall visual downgrade to Dirt 2.0. EA SPORTS WRC 2023 has much, much further to fly before we can think of it as a finished, optimised sim. All in all, at launch, a disappointment, but EA/Codies can rescue the sim. Will they?
I was looking forward to your take on it as you are the rally dude.
Unfortunately and unsurprisingly we have another game that is released that hasn't quite been completed.
The support for triples and telemetry may come out but as you say there is no set date sooooo?
Forza Motorsport is another game that hasn't lived up to the whole marketing wank that preceded it. I know it's not a sim but statements were made and the usual disappoint came after launch. Seems to be the norm.