Thanks for the "pre" review of the set! A couple things I wanted to add. If you want giant 2048 x 2048 sprue pics, you can just right click and open them up on the product page here: wargamesatlantic.com/collections/world-ablaze/products/italian-infantry Also along with the heavier MGs on the two half sprues that are included in the set there is also a Breda modello 30 on every one of the main sprues so you get five of them in the box. And here's a mash up of our WW1 Germans and Warlord Germans done by the team at Wargames Soldiers and Strategy Magazine to give you a sense of the sizes: www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wssblog/plastic-ww1-german-hybrids/
Everyone says Warlord Games panicked once WGA announced their kit, but the sculpts for the Warlord's Italians has been known for months now and there have been teasers in several newsletters too even. If anything, these have been long in the works and they were planned out for a announcement to line up with their Warlord open day. WGA just caught everyone by surprise because there were no teasers up right until they were put up for pre-order.
It also referred to Southern France Churchill´s favourite site for the invasion of Europe. He felt that, after Dieppe, a landing on the beaches of Hitler´s Atlantic Wall would cause more casualties, be more at risk to bad weather than going into Southern France.
Something to consider is that Wargames Atlantic kits don't come with bases, so supplying them yourself may or may not be a problem. Also, you get 5 carried MGs from the infantry sprues in addition to the 2 mounted MGs from the command sprues. Otherwise, great breakdown, and it's neat to see that the two boxes fill a different niche, so they don't make each other redundant. I recommend you take a look at their plastic Panzer Lehr.
UPDATE: 1) I now know where the Soft Underbelly naming comes from, thank you all. 2) It appears the Wargames Atlantic sprue does include more LMGs than the 2 tripod mounted ones, which really does negate my only gripe with the kit!
My grandfather was a captain in the Alpini. When Mussolini came into power he joined the partisans and would spend the rest of the war fighting behind enemy lines conducting special operations and espionage. He ignited my interest in WWII. Even though he had witnessed far too many atrocities he often spoke of his love for the Alpini and he ran a local Alpini veterans group here in Australia. He passed many years ago but I still miss him everyday. He was my hero.
Something to be said about Wargames Atlantic, RE Shipping costs, is they have a very generous policy of making orders over $50 have free shipping. Two boxes of anything will easily hit that limit. But now they also sell a box of 25mm bases (since the kits themselves don't come with them) for $15. So one kit and a set of 60 bases hits that free shipping threshold exactly. (WA also gives discounts for buying the same kit in bulk. So if you want A LOT of infantry, like three boxes worth, that's another point in Wargames Atlantic's favor.)
Yeah. Shipping has absolutely killed Warlord Games for me. I pretty much have to buy LGS stock and unfortunately they don’t have a lot of the more obscure North African campaign stuff I want.
I plan on getting the wargames Atlantic box just for the Bersaglieri feathers. I then plan on getting the british/Canadian plastic starter army and gluing the Bersaglieri feathers onto the british heads so I have a Italian co-belligrent army (Italians fighting for the allies after the armistice)
I'm new to BA/K47 and i just started an italian army. I was going to create some bersaglieri, so i'll probably go with Wargames Atlantic. Thank you for the suggestion!
First of all, it was an awesome video as usual. Thank you! I was going through the same mental process a few days ago. I'll be getting both sets (One will get to fight in Africa and the other stays defending Italy). I'm planning on doing a review of both kits here on UA-cam. I got a couple of Wargames Atlantic boxes a few months ago, they're really good. The only problem with the ones I got was that, when it comes to finding the correct arms for certain weapons, there's no instructions or numbers to guide you. I didn't check on their website but it took me some time to dry-fit different arms unit I found a good combination. When it comes to plastics, the wargames Atlantic kits have very good plastics. No complains. They remind me of those Italeri 1/56 scale kits and tank crew when I was building them.
At least on the french set (earlier than the italian) they are marked on the sprue with r-l and a number for left and rigth arms but if you cut it and dont match it instantly then you are done for a frustrating afternon
I got the Italy and Axis supplement and the only unit that can have more than one SMG is the Parachute/Air Assault group with 7 plus the NCO at 8 out of a 9 man squad. The only other one you might be able to pull off is the San Marco/Marine squads as there is several photo's and film with quite a few Beretta M-38's among them in said photo's and film. All the rest only the NCO has the SMG option.
Worth mentioning that the less heroic WA minis would match better with the Perry Miniatures metal Italians. That's where my Western Desert force originated although I have happily mixed in Warlord.
WA is a nice middle ground between heroic and true scale. I got the WWI Great War Germans and used their arms for my WG Greatcoat Germans and it fits. Height wise, they're close too. Comparing plastics, WA is hard plastic, kind of the same quality as later WG models. I would say WA is good with your metal army, depending on how old the WG models are. My WG Finnish is less heroic than the newer metals like my WG Hungarians. I would definitely recommend WA sets because they offer new stuff that you don't see in plastic, especially their French set.
Me (italian): *🤌* what are you doing? It's bersaglieri, not "berseglieri". Sidenote: warlord already said they are going to make a bersaglieri and alpini box. Sidenote 2: I'm going to make a full "cazzo voi?" Unit all with 🤌 left arm
Ok, I was about to get the Wargames Atlantic set, then I considered buying both the Warlord and Wargames Atlantic sets but after the review, I think the Wargames Atlantic set is a)less pricey and matches better my need. Thanks for helping me making the right choice for me.
My Wargames Atlantic French WW1/WW2 should arrive tomorrow. That is when I will decide whether or not to go with Atlantic or Warlord Italians. I did see the models at Warlords recent open day. They are good the Gustatori (Pioneers/engineers) especially look good, the flamethrower equipped models head, masked, looks really good. I will compare the WA French to the WG metal French that I have, dismounted cavalry, and see how the sculpts match up size wise. I have some 3D prints of the AS34 and the AS34 Autoprotecto as I prefer them to the more complex build required of plastic models. I do have one of the WG M13/40 (I do hate those tracks, having lost 1 of the little corner pieces) BUT the main deciding factor is the the WA figures have an integral base which, I believe works better with the sunken WG bases.
I got the plastic resistance box set to supplement GW metal resistance models, they arnt that different, at least unless you pick them up and compare them side by side.
My biggest gripe still with Wargames Atlantic is the stiffness of their poses - their sculptors still haven't totally nailed naturally look stances, much less animation.
We strive to improve with every box set we do. We're up to 23 sets in 28 months and picking up speed so we hope you'll like what you see coming from us next!
Being from South America, I loved the mythic americas range, but I found it EXTREMELY overpriced. I was very sadened, as some of them look like they would be a joy to paint.
Wargames Atlantic better be planning to offer something more because -I see no reason to pay nearly twice as much per model as I do from Warlord on German infantry- the last thing they should be doing is sticking to things Warlord already sells in plastic, even if they sell them cheaper. Edit: my brain read 30 as 10 for some reason.
Wargames Atlantic is now where the Wargames Factory was. Today people praise their kit (which is not special) ... but hardly anyone will buy it when they have a kit from Warlord Games on hand. Which - although more expensive - is better. Prettier, with more natural poses. With figures whose proportions match other figures from other armies. It's the same with the Perry Miniatures (World War II) sets.
As they say Rome wasn't built in a day. We are 28 months young with 23 hard plastic 28mm sets under our belts and working to make each one better than the last. You'll have to see what you think of the next few dozen coming out in 2022!
@@wargamesatlantic4740 Still waiting for plastic napoleonic spaniards ... Actually, I was waiting... because recently I won the entire starter of the French figures from Warlord Games. : P Give me something cool that competing companies don't have. For example, plastic cossacks from the Napoleonic wars. ;)
@@wargamesatlantic4740 Yes, Cossacks. Russian mounted Cossacks from the Napoleonic era. Perry will make a plastic set of Russian Uhlan, dragoons and horse jegrs. Warlord Games has no plans on this topic. So your company could make Cossacks that many would like to buy. In a large amount. There just isn't any plastic cavalry at the moment so it's hard to play Black Powder with the Russian army. Besides, I know that your company is planning Russians in coats ... so the Cossacks will complement them naturally. Cossacks (in their uniforms) should fit in all Russian conflicts from 1784 to the Crimean War. They are versatile.
apparently Warlord has more plastics coming soon for Italians so I may have been too harsh on them. If they revamp the entire army in plastic it would actually be a pretty respectable endeavor.
@@1krani it's what I've got sitting around as an unfinished project. After removing and cleaning up all the gas mask canisters on the German bodies I lost the will to live. From finnished projects it does look like a great option (got the sprues in a warlord sale, can't complain about the price!) - just a lot of effort involved if you wish to button count with the equipment they have.
Thanks for the "pre" review of the set! A couple things I wanted to add. If you want giant 2048 x 2048 sprue pics, you can just right click and open them up on the product page here: wargamesatlantic.com/collections/world-ablaze/products/italian-infantry
Also along with the heavier MGs on the two half sprues that are included in the set there is also a Breda modello 30 on every one of the main sprues so you get five of them in the box.
And here's a mash up of our WW1 Germans and Warlord Germans done by the team at Wargames Soldiers and Strategy Magazine to give you a sense of the sizes: www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wssblog/plastic-ww1-german-hybrids/
Thank you! Yes I misspoke about the LMGs. My mistake 😅 Keep up the good work. I look forward to to seeing your lines expand.
I hope you do Alpini plastic figures , they were elite , or Arditi ww1 Italian .
@@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 Alpini head options in the box! WW1 Italians are further down the list as we have British next then most likely Russians.
@@wargamesatlantic4740 nice .
Everyone says Warlord Games panicked once WGA announced their kit, but the sculpts for the Warlord's Italians has been known for months now and there have been teasers in several newsletters too even. If anything, these have been long in the works and they were planned out for a announcement to line up with their Warlord open day.
WGA just caught everyone by surprise because there were no teasers up right until they were put up for pre-order.
Well originally when they were announced it was supposed to be Feb of 22, then they moved it up to before Christmas after more outlash
“Soft underbelly of Europe” was what Churchill said of italy
It also referred to Southern France Churchill´s favourite site for the invasion of Europe. He felt that, after Dieppe, a landing on the beaches of Hitler´s Atlantic Wall would cause more casualties, be more at risk to bad weather than going into Southern France.
Churchill was a criminalJew......
Something to consider is that Wargames Atlantic kits don't come with bases, so supplying them yourself may or may not be a problem. Also, you get 5 carried MGs from the infantry sprues in addition to the 2 mounted MGs from the command sprues. Otherwise, great breakdown, and it's neat to see that the two boxes fill a different niche, so they don't make each other redundant. I recommend you take a look at their plastic Panzer Lehr.
" you WILL sit down and you WILL paint them!"
fantastic breakdown of these two boxes!
“Soft underbelly of Europe” was what Churchill opinion on Italy
Hilarious how Warlord kneejerked after Wargames Atlantic announced it
UPDATE:
1) I now know where the Soft Underbelly naming comes from, thank you all.
2) It appears the Wargames Atlantic sprue does include more LMGs than the 2 tripod mounted ones, which really does negate my only gripe with the kit!
Those tripod mounts are heavy machine guns, so you get LMGs for the squads and then the option to also make two MMG teams for support
My grandfather was a captain in the Alpini. When Mussolini came into power he joined the partisans and would spend the rest of the war fighting behind enemy lines conducting special operations and espionage. He ignited my interest in WWII. Even though he had witnessed far too many atrocities he often spoke of his love for the Alpini and he ran a local Alpini veterans group here in Australia. He passed many years ago but I still miss him everyday. He was my hero.
Something to be said about Wargames Atlantic, RE Shipping costs, is they have a very generous policy of making orders over $50 have free shipping. Two boxes of anything will easily hit that limit. But now they also sell a box of 25mm bases (since the kits themselves don't come with them) for $15. So one kit and a set of 60 bases hits that free shipping threshold exactly.
(WA also gives discounts for buying the same kit in bulk. So if you want A LOT of infantry, like three boxes worth, that's another point in Wargames Atlantic's favor.)
Yeah. Shipping has absolutely killed Warlord Games for me. I pretty much have to buy LGS stock and unfortunately they don’t have a lot of the more obscure North African campaign stuff I want.
Also, the title reference Winston Churchill who described Italy as the 'Soft Underbelly' of Nazi Occupied Europe
That is correct :) He tried to "sell" the invasion plan to the US using that description.
I assumed it was him or Monty. Great salesmen those brits
I plan on getting the wargames Atlantic box just for the Bersaglieri feathers. I then plan on getting the british/Canadian plastic starter army and gluing the Bersaglieri feathers onto the british heads so I have a Italian co-belligrent army (Italians fighting for the allies after the armistice)
I'm new to BA/K47 and i just started an italian army. I was going to create some bersaglieri, so i'll probably go with Wargames Atlantic. Thank you for the suggestion!
First of all, it was an awesome video as usual. Thank you! I was going through the same mental process a few days ago. I'll be getting both sets (One will get to fight in Africa and the other stays defending Italy). I'm planning on doing a review of both kits here on UA-cam. I got a couple of Wargames Atlantic boxes a few months ago, they're really good. The only problem with the ones I got was that, when it comes to finding the correct arms for certain weapons, there's no instructions or numbers to guide you. I didn't check on their website but it took me some time to dry-fit different arms unit I found a good combination. When it comes to plastics, the wargames Atlantic kits have very good plastics. No complains. They remind me of those Italeri 1/56 scale kits and tank crew when I was building them.
At least on the french set (earlier than the italian) they are marked on the sprue with r-l and a number for left and rigth arms
but if you cut it and dont match it instantly then you are done for a frustrating afternon
Camicia nera & Alpini plastic is so much wanted in the 28 mm range .
I got the Death Fields Grognards from Wargames Atlantic, they are great as Imperial Guard substitutes. They are a great value for your buck.
From what I understand, the Wargames Atlantic set includes 5 LMG and 2 MMG, not 2 LMG only.
Yes I seemed to have missed the arms carrying the LMGs. My mistake. That also really negates what i thought would be a major drawback for the kit
My Dad was in Italy campaign
He said it was a grind.
Nice. My Grandfather was in Afrika and fought in Sicily specifically Mt Etna.
I got the Italy and Axis supplement and the only unit that can have more than one SMG is the Parachute/Air Assault group with 7 plus the NCO at 8 out of a 9 man squad. The only other one you might be able to pull off is the San Marco/Marine squads as there is several photo's and film with quite a few Beretta M-38's among them in said photo's and film. All the rest only the NCO has the SMG option.
Im really exited for these. I cant wait to get some after the next batches of Legion and 40k.
Worth mentioning that the less heroic WA minis would match better with the Perry Miniatures metal Italians. That's where my Western Desert force originated although I have happily mixed in Warlord.
Good to know! I do have a handful of Perry minis
WA is a nice middle ground between heroic and true scale. I got the WWI Great War Germans and used their arms for my WG Greatcoat Germans and it fits. Height wise, they're close too. Comparing plastics, WA is hard plastic, kind of the same quality as later WG models. I would say WA is good with your metal army, depending on how old the WG models are. My WG Finnish is less heroic than the newer metals like my WG Hungarians. I would definitely recommend WA sets because they offer new stuff that you don't see in plastic, especially their French set.
Me (italian): *🤌* what are you doing? It's bersaglieri, not "berseglieri".
Sidenote: warlord already said they are going to make a bersaglieri and alpini box.
Sidenote 2: I'm going to make a full "cazzo voi?" Unit all with 🤌 left arm
I guarantee that unit will roll all 6’s. Great idea
Now I know what that arm is! I couldn’t work out which weapons barrel would fit in it 😂
Ok, I was about to get the Wargames Atlantic set, then I considered buying both the Warlord and Wargames Atlantic sets but after the review, I think the Wargames Atlantic set is a)less pricey and matches better my need. Thanks for helping me making the right choice for me.
I think they’re both very nice kits overall, so don’t let me stop you from getting both.
Wargames Atlantic kicks ass!!!!
Gives Atlantic credit for having a varied range, Dumps on Warlord for supporting their other ranges. Oooooookee dokie then...
My Wargames Atlantic French WW1/WW2 should arrive tomorrow. That is when I will decide whether or not to go with Atlantic or Warlord Italians. I did see the models at Warlords recent open day. They are good the Gustatori (Pioneers/engineers) especially look good, the flamethrower equipped models head, masked, looks really good. I will compare the WA French to the WG metal French that I have, dismounted cavalry, and see how the sculpts match up size wise. I have some 3D prints of the AS34 and the AS34 Autoprotecto as I prefer them to the more complex build required of plastic models. I do have one of the WG M13/40 (I do hate those tracks, having lost 1 of the little corner pieces) BUT the main deciding factor is the the WA figures have an integral base which, I believe works better with the sunken WG bases.
I got the plastic resistance box set to supplement GW metal resistance models, they arnt that different, at least unless you pick them up and compare them side by side.
My biggest gripe still with Wargames Atlantic is the stiffness of their poses - their sculptors still haven't totally nailed naturally look stances, much less animation.
We strive to improve with every box set we do. We're up to 23 sets in 28 months and picking up speed so we hope you'll like what you see coming from us next!
Wargames atlantic is great its almost as easy to put togheter as frostgrave plastics.
Being from South America, I loved the mythic americas range, but I found it EXTREMELY overpriced. I was very sadened, as some of them look like they would be a joy to paint.
Wargames Atlantic better be planning to offer something more because -I see no reason to pay nearly twice as much per model as I do from Warlord on German infantry- the last thing they should be doing is sticking to things Warlord already sells in plastic, even if they sell them cheaper.
Edit: my brain read 30 as 10 for some reason.
It’s backwards. Warlord is $50 and Wargames Atlantic is $35
@@HollywoodWargaming
You're right. Somehow my brain read the product description as containing 10 models instead of 30.
Does anyone know how many Bersaglieri feathers come in the box?
Wargames Atlantic is now where the Wargames Factory was.
Today people praise their kit (which is not special) ... but hardly anyone will buy it when they have a kit from Warlord Games on hand.
Which - although more expensive - is better. Prettier, with more natural poses. With figures whose proportions match other figures from other armies.
It's the same with the Perry Miniatures (World War II) sets.
As they say Rome wasn't built in a day. We are 28 months young with 23 hard plastic 28mm sets under our belts and working to make each one better than the last. You'll have to see what you think of the next few dozen coming out in 2022!
@@wargamesatlantic4740 Still waiting for plastic napoleonic spaniards ...
Actually, I was waiting... because recently I won the entire starter of the French figures from Warlord Games. : P
Give me something cool that competing companies don't have. For example, plastic cossacks from the Napoleonic wars. ;)
@@MarekKrassus53 we are making sure the Spanish kit is both better and bigger! But it will be with us in not too long. Cossacks you say hmmm.
@@wargamesatlantic4740 Yes, Cossacks. Russian mounted Cossacks from the Napoleonic era.
Perry will make a plastic set of Russian Uhlan, dragoons and horse jegrs. Warlord Games has no plans on this topic. So your company could make Cossacks that many would like to buy. In a large amount.
There just isn't any plastic cavalry at the moment so it's hard to play Black Powder with the Russian army. Besides, I know that your company is planning Russians in coats ... so the Cossacks will complement them naturally.
Cossacks (in their uniforms) should fit in all Russian conflicts from 1784 to the Crimean War. They are versatile.
@@wargamesatlantic4740 Perhaps Cossacks after the WW1 Ottomans?
agree with you for sure
apparently Warlord has more plastics coming soon for Italians so I may have been too harsh on them. If they revamp the entire army in plastic it would actually be a pretty respectable endeavor.
“beat them to the punchline” is not a saying.
But where can I buy Finnish models? The only answer the internet has given me is, "Not from Warlord, matey boy."
I wish I had a good answer. Maybe check out Perry? I know a lot of people convert Warlords Germans into Finns
@@HollywoodWargaming
What do they use to convert them? Winter Germans wielding Russian Mosins?
@@1krani it's what I've got sitting around as an unfinished project. After removing and cleaning up all the gas mask canisters on the German bodies I lost the will to live. From finnished projects it does look like a great option (got the sprues in a warlord sale, can't complain about the price!) - just a lot of effort involved if you wish to button count with the equipment they have.
Gaddis gaming in USA and Parkfield Miniatures in the UK
@@Dream-qc5je
Both metal only, eh? Guess I can't be too picky when choices are limited.
get one of each