Couple of ways to use MMG teams you didn’t mention. 1. As Americans, bring three and pair them with your Riflemen. I had good success with this in my last game forcing my opponent to pick a target. If my opponent got the first shot off then I would just go down with my squad and fire back later with the supporting MMG and if I got to shoot first I would be stacking two pins to his one. 2. Soviet MMGs with a gun shield are pretty survivable. A Veteran Soviet MMG with a gun shield only takes a casualty on a 6, which makes them a very hard to kill 70 point unit. Snipers and mortars are still a major problem though.
That is if you are not flanked for that gun shield to work. I take MMG's and HMG's as a sort of flank protector where they are on one of the extreme ends and so pose a barrier if my opponent thinks of trying to flank with anything soft skin or infantry types.
Holy Smokes, a new Bolt Action video! Dude, keep them coming!!! My favourite MMG team is in my overmanned Japanese MMG section, with extra bullet sponges included.
I've always been people talk about these not being good for attacking etc etc, but that's tye point, they are a defensive support weapon designed to hold a choke point against an infantry push and they are good for doing that, take two of these and leave them on defense with an infantry support squad and works wonders. Yeah you risk mortor fire but that also means the opponent has to really focus them or get lucky with rolls and if they focus then they've wasted the mortor team they brought.
Welcome back! I really like your videos. My thoughts on MMG's is that in game they are not represented as the deterrent (area denial) they were in battle. thank you for another bolt action guide. Consider adding a troop movement video, how to move and take advantage of the cover rules, to your guides. Have a great day!
As a German player, I always take an inexperienced MMG team. 35 points for an order die and 5 shots isn't bad. If you place it in hard cover with a good view on where you expect enemies to come from or an objective, it has enough staying power and damage potential to easily make up their points, and the thing is, at 35 points, the enemy will very likely simply ignore it, if possible and if not, he is shooting a 35 point unit, instead of basically anything else that has more value. While it isn't an auto take, it's a great filler unit to squeeze in another cheap order die, and in my experience you usually get more out of it than you paid for
MMG team is the biggest must fix for BA3.0 . At least German LMG teams are good. Those tournament special rules that make them auto-pin or make them pin twice are both good, but change the math (auto-pin=inexperienced is amazing) "let's say [as Japanese] you filled up all your infantry slots" Worth noting Japan actually has at least one TS that lets them field *unlimited* Militia Squad. If not for the 1E Japan-in-China TS it would be a contender for the best TS.
The "community patch" version of it having one more shot and not suffering from the - 1 to hit from long range shooting (and all team weapons not insta getting destroyed on a critical hit if they make a morale save) makes them actually worth having
here in Alaska, our meta is add 1 die to a light MG 2 dice to a med MG, and 3 dice to a heavy MG.... maybe the cold has driven us crazy... @@GundamReviver
Hey you're back! Thought you'd all but given up on gaming after your move. It's a shame the MMG isn't a great pick - really needs more shots or improved pinning it something.
yeah I've been trying them out as pin generators with my GIs It's tough to read good spots for them. Best spot so far has been on the flank. After three tournaments and three game wins, I'm thinking if I run my GIs again in a Juggernaut selector in a tourney with Bolt Action Alliance missions and Juggernaut objectives, the MMG teams will be at veteran, and the infantry will be at inexperienced in full sized mobs with just Garands.
i think inex MMGs are great. 35 points for 5 shots on 32" is some of the highest points/shot effiency you can get in the game imo. sure it has limitations being a fixed team, but just put it somewhere on ambush. honestly, if my opponent dedicates a 90+ pts squad or his HE unit to killing my 35pts throwaway, i consider that a win. my MMG does more work than my mortar in most games tbh... and AT rifles never do anything, ever. i think i ran an AT rifle team for 10 matches and it straight up failed to ever kill anything or even glance a vehicle. never touched them again.
Will you be (or have you already) looking at the HMG team? For as much as the MMG is in this grey area of sometimes useful but it has too many downsides, the HMG seems to be that turned up to 11. Sure you get +1 pen so it's gets the benefits of possibly pinning tanks, and having that bonus vrs infantry/support weapons, but being restricted to 3 shots, and costing a crazy 70pts, they are so far into that "too many downsides" category that nobody takes them. In fact, at my local group of 15+ players, I'm the only one who even has a HMG model.
funny you used the soviet mmg image and didn't mention the gun shield, not a biggie as I think only the soviets get it for +5 points. If a soviet mmg with gun shield is in a building would the gun shield and extra protection stack to provide a +2 to wound?
They deploy as normal. Their movement is limited by the Team and Fixed keywords, meaning they can only move on a run order (full 12"), and can only pivot on an advance order. They deploy as normal infantry would.
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Couple of ways to use MMG teams you didn’t mention.
1. As Americans, bring three and pair them with your Riflemen. I had good success with this in my last game forcing my opponent to pick a target. If my opponent got the first shot off then I would just go down with my squad and fire back later with the supporting MMG and if I got to shoot first I would be stacking two pins to his one.
2. Soviet MMGs with a gun shield are pretty survivable. A Veteran Soviet MMG with a gun shield only takes a casualty on a 6, which makes them a very hard to kill 70 point unit. Snipers and mortars are still a major problem though.
I knew I was forgetting something! Thanks for mentioning.
That is if you are not flanked for that gun shield to work. I take MMG's and HMG's as a sort of flank protector where they are on one of the extreme ends and so pose a barrier if my opponent thinks of trying to flank with anything soft skin or infantry types.
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Woo, almost wasn't expecting a continuation to this series, insightful and in-depth analysis much appreciated as always. Keep it up!
Mate you've just made my day. Hope you'll redo some of your outdated faction and unit guides for the second addition rules. Great to have you back!
All of my Bolt Action content is based on Second Edition rules.
Holy Smokes, a new Bolt Action video! Dude, keep them coming!!!
My favourite MMG team is in my overmanned Japanese MMG section, with extra bullet sponges included.
I've always been people talk about these not being good for attacking etc etc, but that's tye point, they are a defensive support weapon designed to hold a choke point against an infantry push and they are good for doing that, take two of these and leave them on defense with an infantry support squad and works wonders. Yeah you risk mortor fire but that also means the opponent has to really focus them or get lucky with rolls and if they focus then they've wasted the mortor team they brought.
Welcome back! I really like your videos. My thoughts on MMG's is that in game they are not represented as the deterrent (area denial) they were in battle. thank you for another bolt action guide. Consider adding a troop movement video, how to move and take advantage of the cover rules, to your guides. Have a great day!
awesome, wanting this video specifically
As a German player, I always take an inexperienced MMG team. 35 points for an order die and 5 shots isn't bad. If you place it in hard cover with a good view on where you expect enemies to come from or an objective, it has enough staying power and damage potential to easily make up their points, and the thing is, at 35 points, the enemy will very likely simply ignore it, if possible and if not, he is shooting a 35 point unit, instead of basically anything else that has more value. While it isn't an auto take, it's a great filler unit to squeeze in another cheap order die, and in my experience you usually get more out of it than you paid for
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Glad to see you back in action! Love your guides and analyses.
Holy shit! Welcome back bro!
HE'S BACK! I've missed you buddy!
Welcome back! Will we see a how to build italians box by any chance?
YESSSSS ! Missed this, dont suppose you could get into battletech and make videos for that too :D
Super happy to see you back at it after your “European Vacation”!
Long time no see! Glad you are back!
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MMG team is the biggest must fix for BA3.0 . At least German LMG teams are good. Those tournament special rules that make them auto-pin or make them pin twice are both good, but change the math (auto-pin=inexperienced is amazing)
"let's say [as Japanese] you filled up all your infantry slots"
Worth noting Japan actually has at least one TS that lets them field *unlimited* Militia Squad. If not for the 1E Japan-in-China TS it would be a contender for the best TS.
The "community patch" version of it having one more shot and not suffering from the - 1 to hit from long range shooting (and all team weapons not insta getting destroyed on a critical hit if they make a morale save) makes them actually worth having
here in Alaska, our meta is add 1 die to a light MG
2 dice to a med MG, and 3 dice to a heavy MG.... maybe the cold has driven us crazy...
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Glad to see you back nerd! I havent played BA in a long time
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Hey you're back! Thought you'd all but given up on gaming after your move. It's a shame the MMG isn't a great pick - really needs more shots or improved pinning it something.
It's good for defence because it's small. It can add firepower to another squad yet share the same sized cover.
welcome back! Great video!
The Juggernaut rules have given it a bit of a boost which i think makes them much more usable.
yeah I've been trying them out as pin generators with my GIs
It's tough to read good spots for them. Best spot so far has been on the flank.
After three tournaments and three game wins, I'm thinking if I run my GIs again in a Juggernaut selector in a tourney with Bolt Action Alliance missions and Juggernaut objectives, the MMG teams will be at veteran, and the infantry will be at inexperienced in full sized mobs with just Garands.
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i think inex MMGs are great.
35 points for 5 shots on 32" is some of the highest points/shot effiency you can get in the game imo.
sure it has limitations being a fixed team, but just put it somewhere on ambush.
honestly, if my opponent dedicates a 90+ pts squad or his HE unit to killing my 35pts throwaway, i consider that a win.
my MMG does more work than my mortar in most games tbh... and AT rifles never do anything, ever.
i think i ran an AT rifle team for 10 matches and it straight up failed to ever kill anything or even glance a vehicle. never touched them again.
When I play my Germans I always bring the light machine gun team
Will you be (or have you already) looking at the HMG team? For as much as the MMG is in this grey area of sometimes useful but it has too many downsides, the HMG seems to be that turned up to 11. Sure you get +1 pen so it's gets the benefits of possibly pinning tanks, and having that bonus vrs infantry/support weapons, but being restricted to 3 shots, and costing a crazy 70pts, they are so far into that "too many downsides" category that nobody takes them. In fact, at my local group of 15+ players, I'm the only one who even has a HMG model.
Hope you've got your protractor 😂
funny you used the soviet mmg image and didn't mention the gun shield, not a biggie as I think only the soviets get it for +5 points. If a soviet mmg with gun shield is in a building would the gun shield and extra protection stack to provide a +2 to wound?
Yeah I totally forgot about the gunshield. I actually made the slide for this video about a year ago otherwise I probably would have caught that
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i was really wondering about the movement rules and deplyment rules for this kind of unit, i might have missed it in the video
They deploy as normal. Their movement is limited by the Team and Fixed keywords, meaning they can only move on a run order (full 12"), and can only pivot on an advance order. They deploy as normal infantry would.
@@HollywoodWargaming appreciate the answer, really cool of you. you sure its not only 6"?
TLDW: Avoid this unit.