How I turned a noisy Bosch motor into a quiet Bosch Motor
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2022
- In this video we find out if the motor we talked about in our last video viable to rebuild, here • Noisy ebike motors, ti...
We strip it down and replace the knackered bearings making into a super quiet one. MUST WATCH
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The most informative bike repair channel on YT. Well done Dave!..
Thank you, thanks for your support.
I don’t own an ebike but i love watching these videos. Fascinated with the design and repair techniques. Strangely calming to watch 😂
Hi Nick, thanks for watching and your compliments
I think if for this customer on his budget, only the outboard bearing needed attention. I would have repacked the outboard bearings and seals with marine grease to waterproof the exterior sides, done this in prep to my past enduro and mototrials motorcycles, as they last way longer than factory grease, mind you this bike would never see that harsh environment!
First time watching your channel and interested to see inside the e-motor, clear and precise explanations and video, well done.
Such a lovely manner of narrating.
As an owner of a Bosch powered bike this was helpful and interesting. When I bought mine I asked about motor servicing and the dealer said they don't need it. I'm sure at some point it may need something like this if I still have it and good to know there are decent mechanics around that can.
Thanks again Dave.
Hi, Thanks for watching, any time just call
Always good to watch how someone else does it 😆. Personally, I always use the side panel, as the nylon always seems a bit on the worn side when I need to do this. I have also had a machinist make me a press tool for the NDS bearing! I think our only real difference of approach is I put the bash guard back on and use a hub puller (just a cheap 5 ton hydraulic) to extract the side plate.
Thanks for watching and your comments, a selection of different press tools are really useful.
Nice clean work bench.
Thanks but it makes a change
I can voucher this mans work is good my friend had his bike fixed an it’s still going good
Thanks for watching and your comments
Best bike mechanic ever ! very informative and funny. Like your videos - well done Dave👌
Thank you for your king comments and your support
Quality video thanks for taking your time to show us.
My pleasure!, thanks for watching and your comments
Well done, with the video. You deserve a like. Taking your time explaining your work. Awesome times -watching from Denmark.
Thank you very much!
Brilliant dave,, fantastic knowledge of the game💪😁👍❤️the job looks simply forward 👌
Thanks Stephen
Excellent thanks for sharing
This was a really cool video. I have no idea why it got on my list.
Thank you for watching and your kind comments
I own a Bosch Gen.2 Ebike since 2015. I have replaced 2 motors already on 7k, 8k under warranty. So free of change for me. Now 3rd motor reached 10k and it sounds same as yours, so I am currently thinking about 3 scenarios: repair myself (costs 130 Euro for Service Kit), repair in the shop (unknown costs) or replace motor (600 Euro). I wanna keep my bike, so even if it comes to worth 600 Euro, I will pay it. Thanks for the video, it is really helpful.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. For a full motor overhaul on a gen 2 motor we charge £352.00. It could be that the driveside bearing is failling which is very common., I would recommend a Bosch Service Kit for Repairs, black (BDU2XX), I can sell you one at £105.00 to do your self or I can do it for you at £196.00. Call me if you need help. our shop number is 01422 766086
Fantastic Yorkshire accent. I love it. Great video
cheers
Great stuff thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent video and a bargain for a repair like this.
Hi Ian, thanks for watching and your comments
Excellent vid 😊 bringing my e bike for service
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments
Good informative video. Also your wheel lacing video and tips made it do able , keep up the great work. New subscriber
Thank you
Well done!!
Thanks!
Thank you too! and thanks for watching
Job well done 👍 keep up the good content 👍👍👍
Thank you
Great video
Thank you
Nice job! Also i love your marinemaster!
Thanks, One of my favourite watches.
Always a joy to watch a master mechanic work his magic, way better than Netflix 😉. Off topic, I couldn't help but notice that nice Seiko Prospex (Tuna?) on your wrist. It tells you know something about beautifully solid well made stuff. What bracelet is that?
Hi, Thanks for your comments, I really like the tuna series, love the weight, the looks and the build, the strap is shark mesh by geckota
Great video. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for watching and your comments
they do a right hand side crank shaft seal £9.50 for extra protection in wet weather, had a gen 2 from 2014 these motors are pretty much bomb proof as long as no water gets to the pcb/controller and shorts it out but new bearings and its good as the day you bought it.
What is the seal called & where is it available from?
@@jamiebeamish9641 you can get one from the ebike motor center performance line bearings same place he got the bearings from for that motor.
@@soundwave6769 Yes I saw that but they are £26 plus p&p =£32 to Argyll not the £9.50🤷🏻♂️
"you can actually see it coming to bits" .................... that's a keeper for sure! 🤣
Great to see the engineers and experts have found the comment section 🤫 Old northern saying " if I'm doubt give it a clout " 😅
Interesting and Informative , subbed 👍
Thank you
Fantastic, high quality content. How does someone learn these skills, is it just time served and a willingness to learn or is there workshop manuals that you can buy?
Thanks for watching and your kind comments, no manuals for this stuff just a massive interest, and confidence to make it right
Love the work. Proper spannering. Jealous of the press. Curious question though, why not Just send it back to Magura/Bosch UK, they'll replace it for free if the customer has an original purchase receipt.
Hi, thanks for watching, the motor was 2017, no warranty I’m afraid.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Stonking work. Can I ask who you get your main bearings from if that's ok with you? Got three of the Gen 3's with wrecked bearings sitting in the workshop.
@@lt1eg6 measure them and try bearings websites. It may be a standard size available from different suppliers in different brands
great video I've a Bosch gen 2 motor how much did this service cost?
So informative. Great job. Any vids on the Tq motor 120hps. Mine needs the main bearings sorting.
Hi, thanks for watching, not as yet
@danny,,,- Now THAT would interest me more than bosch, brose and shimano repairs . i have the Sachs/BMZ 112 Nm which is as obscure as the fantastic TQ motor . i rarely hear of any problems with either motor so could i ask how many km is on your motor and what conditions do you ride in ?
Got his sidewall grab down like a boss 0:58
Hi enjoy your videos a lot,
My reice muller Nero 2022 is fitted with the bosch performance line 4 cx motor , when out on my rides I experience a locking on my cranks and a pronounced click then things free up.this occurs intermittently maybe 2-3 times on a run in your experience any ideas.
Hi, it needs checking out by a bosch partner
Good video! In your opinion which motors are the most reliable and easy to fix and source spares for? I heard people praising Bosch for that but I had limited personal experience.
Thanks for watching and your comments, the motors. Brose, Bosch and Shimano are all equally as good for support, the motor I like to to ride with is a Brose.
Thanks bro!I want buy an Ghost ASX hybrid
Your welcome, not at the minute sorry
Great video! Btw is any way to get rid of that clanking sound when the bike ride down?
Hi, thanks for watching, there should no clanking sound coming from a healthy motor
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I mean these clunks which have almost all modern motors: ua-cam.com/video/zzyqRJc9QL0/v-deo.html
Do you work on Gen 4 Bosch motors? Mine has stopped freewheeling when not under power, ie the cranks keep rotating if I take my feet off the pedals. Thinking the sprag teeth or something may be not releasing as they should?
Hi, Thanks for watching, yes but 4gens are newish so bosch more likely to help.
Hi Dave. I have a Haibike Hardseven 7. PX-ST motor. I'm looking to connect some lights to it via the aux plug near the motor. I want to add indicators, brake lights, tail light etc. It's difficult to determine what output it has. Need to make sure before I play with it. I believe it's a 6v dc output. Can you confirm. Then I'm going to add a DC step up box to 12v.......then I should be able to add almost any lights for motorbikes/scooters?
Hi, Most outputs are 12v, is it Yamaha
With the way E Bikes are going I can see your business' expanding big, I'm not to far from you might pop down over summer with my Trex E bike for a chat.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, you are welcome anytime
Great video as always. Very informative. For someone who doesn't have hydraulic press, what's your suggestion on getting the bearings in place? Hammer and an unnaturally steady hand?
only press you will damage bearing if you use hammer you can try but be carefoul dont punch into inner ring.
block of wood and rubber mallet.
@@SPEXWISE Very good idea
Find someone with a press
Some of the bearings used are off the needle type and need even pressure and strait force, some are large and need a higher force, some are delicate and would fail if inserted incorrectly. A hydraulic press is the better solution.
Firstly….. nice workshop. On to the motor, I’m a bit sceptical as to how well sealed these mid dive units are. Not particularly impressed by the amount of plastic gears in there either. Given the price for these units I feel you deserve more for your money. Given the amount of surface mount electronics inside they certainly need to be sealed better.
Hi, thanks for watching and your comment.
What don’t you like about plastic gears? Often they’re more suitable than metal, run quieter, are self lubricating, are aramid fibre reinforced for strength and are cost effective. Metal gears need lubricant and if that gets contaminated you’ll have a grinding medium that’ll wear the gears faster. Bosch know what they’re doing.
I aggree that the plastic gears are quieter. But who was that design genius, who put the circuit board together with the greasy mechanical stuff? :D
Hi, have you ever worked on a Mahle, specialzed 1.1 SL motor? are they servicable? Thanks.
Hi, yes I have but specialised offer a longer warranty and it's worth seeking support from them before taking one to bits
I had a noisy Bosh perf line CX motor on a 500km Scott Ebike. At every ride and after about 1 hour riding, the motor was starting to be noisy, always after an hour or so. The engine was still covered by the warranty. Bosch never found out what caused the noise and they decided to change the motor by a brand new one.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment
Hello there!
What l must to do with the Bosch Performance Line Gen3 motor to connect to Rohloff E14 shifter? What the program I need for my motor?
Thanks :)
I still like the Gen2 the best it seems we can't find a lot of replacements for DYI on the Gen3 or Gen4 motors
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, The gen 2 is a good motor, the shaft bearing seals could have been much much better but providing its well maintained it should last for many miles. The gen 4 is a proper pig to overhaul, Ive not done a video on one yet because Im still learning about it but for sure parts are so easy to break whilst stripping down.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic thank you for showing this video and create the resources for curious and adventurous , you remind me of my local bike mechanic, a truly passionate professional.
I learned to fix my own ebike not by choice, but because i've got burned by the first shop i bought the bike from, I've learned to understand and appreciate the importance to have a trustworthy mechanic.
Again can't mention enough thanks you for doing what you do, i'd feel very fortunate if your shop was in my neighbourhood.
@@wouldyoudomeakindnes Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. Well done for learning how to work on your own bike. It's a shame that you have lost trust. Most of us absolutely love our work and the customers. Not sure where you live but if you ever visit please look me up.
I'm a simple man; I see a video about a motor and I click
I like that
nicely done... why do those bearing fail like that?
Hi, Thanks for your comments, The main reason is accelerated wear to the poor seal protection, also in some cases user error (pressure washing)
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic thank you
Excellent video! But the noise proof at the end by simply turning the cranks is not representative for the daily use, because the motor is not in operation, since the chain is off. In reality with working motor support the noise is significantly louder
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, the issue with this motor was the main drive side bearing, that was the noisy culprit, the motor noise would have masked how quiet the bearing was after replacement.
Thanks for the reply and explanation! This bearing seems to be a general weakness. I experienced the same noisy defect and replaced it by stainless steal bearing and since then no issue anymore.
Would the bearing need replacing on a motor that has done 1600 k ?
I have a full suspension Cannondale that has only been used for road and cycle tracks .
Im get a click when i press hard on pedals .
Is it more likely to be the pedals themself rather then the motor?
Sorry , im a bit ignorant when it comes to bikes .
Hi, thanks for watching and your comments, process of elimination, change the pedals first then see if that makes a difference.
It is surprising the cogs are plastic. I’ve had mine 4-5 years now, no issues yet. In Wakey, should I bring it to you if I develop a problem? How many miles roughly before bearings tend go fail?
Hi sorry for the late reply, jet washing and wet weather riding seems to cause most issues, you are welcome any time
I have a 2013 bosch but when there's no motor power there's a lot of drag, has this been fixed with new generations ?
Hi, thanks for watching, they certainly have improved and most new motors take less the pedal than the old ones
great video what happened to showing how you took the bearings out
Hi Tony, The video would have taken too long to make, each bearing is pressed out different from each other.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic ok thanks
If you have a press you'll know what to do. If you don't there's no point seeing it happen.
Where do you get the parts from ? Can you gear the main gears ?
Hi, Try, performance line bearings
Hi Dave can you service a Brose motor off a Kenevo ?
Yes I can.
How much was the complete job for the motor refresh?
Total cost was £235.00
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic brilliant thanks
20:30 nice tattoo on the head :-)
hi, don't know where that came from
Any idea as to the mileage this DU had? I'm running a Gen 2 as well. Cheers!
Hi, it had 2.2km
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Huh? It never got rode? 🤔
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic2.2km? A typo, I hope!
@@stevem2531 2.2 thousand (k) miles (m), bruv
Hello, how much km did this motor ran?
Thank you for watching and your comments, 2.2k
I wonder why the moisture / water ingress is so destructive for the PCBs in Bosch motors. It seems they do not apply a protective coating to the PCBs, or do they? Such process costs couple of pennies in the large scale manufacturing process.
Agreed...the pcb should have conformal coating applied I'd assume none as the pcb would always be protected, I'd also like to know why these motors are not sealed for life and why they require any maintenance at all - not exactly a harsh operating enviroment and probably low mileage / wear and tear?
@@peteturner8493 anything that has moving parts and bearings will need replacing at some point my old bosch gen 2 had over 10,000 miles on it but the nylon transfer gear was near its end and needed all it bearings changed and was as good as new.
@@soundwave6769 Ok nylon gears not so reliable but good quality sealed bearings should last longer, take a car alternator as an example....the Bosch motor cost enough so I'd say they built in obsolescence? Doesn't explain water ingress though but poor design would!
@@peteturner8493 some motors are better than others at keeping the water out but brose are the worst as dont like any wet weather and a pita to get apat but none of them are water proof where you could ride it up a stream but if a controller does short out out of warranty you are screwed as dont sell them as most of these companys are anti rrepair wont sell any parts or will even fix a motor out of warranty even if you wanted to pay them says it all really i have also had a dongle on my bike so can hit over 30mph and if it can do that sort of milage and just cost 200 quid for all new bearings thats good enough for me
@@soundwave6769 Would you be happy if you bought a new car and the wheel bearings went after 10K miles be straight back to the dealer for warranty replacement....should we not expect the same for e-bikes?
Do you have a link to the bearings company. I can't find them by name on google. Just various resellers. My motor has done 19,000 miles and sounds like it has gravel in it.
My bike is a 2018 Carrera Crosfusse with a Bosch Activeline Plus motor.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. www.ebikemotorcentre.com/
What I don't understand is why there's no conformal coating on the electronics?
Hi, thanks for watching, and your comments
The small bearing @6.40 shoulf fix the problem,Why change all bearings?
I wish, that’s just one of a few that were rough
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic i bought 10 of them from ebay and resold them to a turkisch guy he said in turkey they make better quality bearings
Looks and heard like Allfred Hitchcock
Thank you for watching and your comments
Nothing last for ever but on cars the majority of roller bearings do who have a much harsher environment than the humble e-bike, I apprecitae buying a bearing kit for a customer you are going to replace all the bearings but assume it would be low risk if only noisy or water ingressed bearings were changed re DIY at home?
Thanks for watching and your comments
Bosch burned me pretty good. Motor dies a few months shy of 2 years. The shop held it till after the warranty. Now the motor barely has power, and they say the bike is not fixable. Niner 2020 wfo e9.
Go back to your bike shop, even out of warranty bosch will consider helping you. but you said that the bike shop had the motor, so its not your fault.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic They had the bike which has the motor in it. The nearest bosch certified shop is about 150 miles away from me. I gave up on them doing the right thing. At some point I will attempt to mod it. Thats why I am watching all these vids. Trying to not let the $8500 bike go to waste.
What motor model was that? Why would anyone not mention it in such a video? Hmm?
Thank you for watching and your nice comments. it was a Bosch BDU250P
Fortunately for me , "noise " is not an issue .
after all an e-bike motor is a machine with moving parts and when parts rub together , some amount of sound is created .
if you want a "silent " bike , get one without a motor .
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments
DID I miss how many miles the motor has done ?
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, 2100 miles
Nylon gears ???
yes, but they seem to last longer than the steel bearings
Yes, to reduce the sound.
If I close my eyes it's like I'm learning how to repair a Bosch drive from Shrek 😁
Thanks, lol
Jobzagudun.
Hi, Thank you for watching and your comments
Casey Jones on a Saturday morning as a kid 😀
ohh man, at last someone who remembers casey Jones, steaming and a rolling , brilliant
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic on the Cannonball Express with his mate Wallie played by Dub Taylor. Essential watching along with Tarzan played by Ron Ely and Daktari. Loved watching all those tv shows.
wow and i was worried my new ebike was a little loud that thing sounds like its got broken marbles in it.
Hi, thanks for watching and your comments
Hi mate, just done this repair and now im getting error code 500 which apparently means internal motor issue. I was very careful with the circuit board, any ideas? Cheers mate.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment. the only thing you can do is re-write the firmware in the motor to see if that helps.
@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic cheers mate yeah thats where im at. Dealers haven't got much idea down here never used the bosch diagnostics but i will keep trying them
How do dave
Hey up, how ya doing, hope your well.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic can't complain dave, I've got a question for you... on my trek rail 7 I've got a weird noise from the rear axil, I've replaced all rear wheel bearings and renewed the free hub, cassette was checked ok and chain renewed but its developed a noise from the back end and as yet I've not looked, there is no play in hub etc. Any idea?
motores Shimano lubrificantes
I didn't see you put any gasket or sealer on the two cases before you mated them back together. If you did, I failed to see it in this video.
Hi, Thanks for watching, Bosch replaced the gaskets on some models, this one was in good condition.
When you say the bearing is expensive, what ammount are we talking about?
If it's really expensive, take an old bearing with you to a bearing specialist and ask them for price for an simmilar one and usually it cost just 10 usd as most bearings are standard size and even the same manufacturer as OEM bosh ones.
Hi, there are 3 main types of quality of bearing, Chinese, japan, german, all three are very different in cost and quality. need to choose carefully depending on application
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Yeah, but it does NOT cost 235 pound for a few bearing. Cost of all the bearings is around 40 pouns, for the quality ones..
@@drister007 235 pounds was the labor/shop rate for the work. Extra for parts.
19:18 why did you not put a gasket to seal that badboy back up? A return customer is the best customer, eh?
Hi, Thanks for watching, Bosch replaced the gaskets on some models for better ones, this one was in good condition.
£250 for bearings haha 😆 this is why I don’t use bike mechanics so glad I can build shit myself bet the bearing themselves where about £50 quids worth
Thank you for watching and your comments.
No one paid 250, he said the total job cost was 235.
Exactly! Around £50 for all the bearings.
It’s not right that a five year old motor is so noisy. What’s the mileage on it?
Thanks for watching and your comments, 2.2k, the early B DU2 motors suffer outer bearing issues
A first world problem right there didn’t ask for this video
Sigue regalando tus conocimientos mecánicos pero piensa que es lo único que tienes y por lo que te pagan en el taller....
for the price they charge for these units they should not be using shit bearings.
Hi Thanks for watching, I'm not sure that the bearings are shite it's just the environment they have to work in and the amount of power thats goes though them and considering it's such a small form factor (my personal opinion) things will improve given time
Oh please don't use a plastic mallet to bang on the housing...
Hi, thanks for watching and your comments
Really?
Yes really
My approach: don‘t buy ebikes, just keep pushing the pedals
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments
Wait until you are 74 like me and we will discuss it further!
@@paulnightingale8052 my own pledge is: not before I exceed 80
I am hoping to make it that far!
Good luck and keep riding!
now, remove it very carefully.. * takes hammer and hits the motor*
i'll bet that the majority of problems with bosch motors is the result of abuse by the rider and an unreasonable expectation of longevity .
a former friend of mine ,drove his moms new BMW at insane speeds on the Autobahn for a year and was then surprised that the motor blew up .
even the best built machine on the planet will fail if abused .
...bish, bash, Bosch...great work, but I'm so glad I don't have an e bike!
Ebikes rock
A piece of shit motor..
Just get real bike....you know, for real man, without engine shit.
Thanks for watching and your comments
E-bike are superior, you would know if you would try one. ;)