Excellent info. Makes you wonder why they don't provide a decent guide when you buy the bike. Something to sit down and read before using it, rather than months later finding all this useful info online. Cheers Flow!
Would like to see Bosch provide a quick release mounted wireless throttle capable CL motor and a legit MTB manufacturer to make that motor optional in their lower/mid tier EMTBs. This makes their bike a true quality trail and commuter bike. Sadly, most commuter "Emtbs" are Chinese junk and weight a ton. A quality Emtb that does city duty when you can't hit the trails is a market they both miss. It's huge and getting bigger. Also, being quick release and wireless, you can remove the throttle as it can be not allowed on some city trials.
I agree with you. I have a speedbox 3.b and It's clear that although the update is fun, it's just a gimmick. I'd rather have an unrestricted bike than an smartphone app.
Use your gears and spread the wear, keep your drivetrain clean and lubed and don’t let your chain get past .75% wear before you replace it. There is no other solution.
This is one of my major annoyance with my Cube - the surprising amount to skipping under power in the higher gears. My bike is less than 6 months old and I've already replaced the chain once (first one snapped, but I've put that down to initial exuberance). It's now constantly in my mind what my cadence and gear choice are and despite my best efforts it's still happening. 😢
Once again great guide! One question though. Currently I am considering to go with older non-smart Bosch CX gen4 (Scott e-Genius) which is cheaper vs new smart-system bike (Cube Stereo Hybrid 140), which is more expensive. If I go with the old one, I will replace the stock Purion display with Nyon. Have you ever tried this Nyon? How does old system with Nyon compare with Kiox300 on the smart system in terms of functionality? Thanks!
Yes, it will. Some bikes are sold without the display (so you use your phone). The motor still has memory of your mileage and syncs up fine even after having ridden previously without.
Have you ever heard of European laws where the maximum speed for scooters and ebikes has to be 25km/h? Just so you know, there are eBikes with Bosch motor in America and they reach 45km/h because the law allows it.
I have my other mt bike set for 0 km/hr (it has no motor) LOL . I do find it odd they limited it so low when other global places have it higher. Should be universal at the higher.
In your video I can see that with 81% of 750w battery you have 43Km (in eMTB mode). I have the same bike and battery, and before the last Bosch update (1.18) with 86% of battery I have only 38Km!! Have you noticed this??
Lol I run auto and disabled emtb. Prettymuch same but auto feels more dynamic. Im 120kg with riding gear and I get 52km on auto with 625whbattery at 97%
Is it possible to replace Bosch LED Remote with Bosch Mini Remote? The LED Remote looks very unprofessional in my opinion and I'm not a fan of this 'disco' lights. Its just a cheap thing on an expensive equipement. I don't really need to know at which mode I'm riding as I can easily feel it. Same for battery.
The only thing that bothers me is that the maximum cycling limit is 25 km, i.e. pedaling. This is ridiculous. It should have been increased to 35 km. 😊
Truth told I thought the same. Till I got one ( a lefty) Still haven't chipped it. I only miss the higher speed when on busy roads. Will chip to 35 at some stage.
Ebike lock could leave you stranded in the mountains in the event a crash damages your fragile iPhone (or a phone battery dies prematurely) . I don’t recommend it.
That happen if you turn off the eBike after you lose your phone. If you lose your phone mid-trip and the eBike is not turned off, the Lock will not activate.There is also a new feature that allows you to use the kiox300 as a key / Lock
One thing I would like to add, I believe you can modify the speed on the walk assist. I don’t know how to do it and being in mind to do so. It’s currently TOO SLOW!
These bikes are just too damn slow…..15.5mph is ludicrously slow. It’s hurting sales more than you will ever know. Bosch etc need to take the law makers to court and challenge this stupid rule.
Wow, that was soooooooo useful! Just got my first ebike. A Cube / Bosch and had no idea about all those features. One thing Bosch can't do is produce a good manual, it's truly awful. Mine only has the LED controller you show. Can I add a display? As good as the app is, mounting my phone in the UK weather is not really an option...
Glad you found it useful mate! Regarding a display, I understand it's a pretty straightforward add-on for your Cube e-Bike. Check in with your local Cube dealer and they'll be able to show you which display options you can purchase, and should be able to install it for you too. [Wil]
Bought the Trek Rail 9.7 Gen4. The Bosch performance CX is restricted in Japan and its crap! No power at all and the different modes make no difference whatsoever... The previous Gen 2 had way more power. No response from Bosch or Trek to remedy this. Disappointed...
Guys I got a question I buyed recently a bike with Bosch cx motor gen 4. Engine runs amazing I got a question tho, when I ride my bike and stop pedaling or rotate pedals in negative side and start pedal again to accelerate I got small tiny gab in my mechanic pedal. Is this normal ? I got a feeling like the engine starts working again.. thanks
That does sound normal - there is a small amount of lag when you start pedalling again, which is due to the internal freewheel inside the crankset/chainring. Combined with the freewheel mechanism in the rear hub, you'll always have a bit of free movement before the pedals engage. Hope that helps! [Wil]
still years behind the best systems (Specialized), You can't adjust all modes and adjustments are quite 'simple', remote still massive and easy to damage, and why you can't adjust such a simple thing like overrun time ? Does it support Ant+/BLE to connect to your Garmin unit ??
Nah, spesh/Brose motor always feels low on power either side of its sweet spot. On paper the Brose should be better but on the trail overall the gen4 Bosch is better. I’ve had both. The Bosch motor is easier to get apart to change bearings and easier to work on. Hence why is consistently voted the best motor, also they’re out of warranty care far outstrips every other motor supplier in my experience as a working mechanic.
What I did is make a kind of "waypoints" (actually they are 50-meter routes made with the KOMOT application, once created the FLOW application automatically imports them to "my routes"). So if I'm in the middle of the mountain and I want to go home (pepe bar, fuente del pino or wherever). I open my routes and press the one I did in front of my house of 50 meters and I hold down, and it will automatically calculate the route to go to my house without doing anything. (BE CAREFUL... IT ONLY WORKS ON ANDROID, with the Iphone it doesn't let you click on the route).until version 1.15.10. view on : ua-cam.com/video/ZrQeguG31v4/v-deo.html
We mentioned it at 3:21 - it's a relatively new update that came out during the filming of the video, so we've not had a chance to give it a thorough test just yet. We've just received another new Bosch bike that we'll be testing it out on shortly - stay tuned! [Wil]
Tips for the battery: don't buy Bosch. They will not be waterproof, can't be repaired, can stop working due to a software! error. You never know if they will use proper LG cells or crappy Sanyo cells in your battery. Oh and they refuse to sell parts to a store that repairs an enclosure of a battery, because they're "harming the safety features". Pure corporate greed.
@@duncancccc Clearly I fix these batteries for a living. Clearly I've already had 38 of these batteries in for repair just the last 2 weeks. Even with proper maintenance of the battery, it'll still have random BMS errors, water intrusion from light rain, BMS diodes that fail, Tempsensor defects, Smashed balance wires from factory...
so true, if tuning isn't possible anymore due to anti tamper software, they wont sell 1 emtb anymore... 25km/h is pathetic, you constantly run into limit, making it run and stop and run and stop...
Excellent info. Makes you wonder why they don't provide a decent guide when you buy the bike. Something to sit down and read before using it, rather than months later finding all this useful info online. Cheers Flow!
Very informational video. Thank you. One correction the bars are 20% increments, not 10%.
No 10% when goes white 10%
overrun is not exclusive to the smart system. cx4 (pre smart) has it as well - even extended in emtb compared to turbo
Would like to see Bosch provide a quick release mounted wireless throttle capable CL motor and a legit MTB manufacturer to make that motor optional in their lower/mid tier EMTBs. This makes their bike a true quality trail and commuter bike. Sadly, most commuter "Emtbs" are Chinese junk and weight a ton. A quality Emtb that does city duty when you can't hit the trails is a market they both miss. It's huge and getting bigger. Also, being quick release and wireless, you can remove the throttle as it can be not allowed on some city trials.
eMTB does not feature the over run on my bike. Which is a branded new Whyte e180. Don't know why.
so is mobile app only for Kiox or it can be use with Purion?
I'm worried the app will detect my speedfun tuning chip and then its game over, so haven't bothered downloading yet😅
Hi , do you have smart system ? How the speedfun works , any problems or errors ?
@@emtbtrips111 yes I do! done 160 miles plus since install no errors as of yet 🤞
Do you have a smart system with the internal sensor ?
I agree with you. I have a speedbox 3.b and It's clear that although the update is fun, it's just a gimmick. I'd rather have an unrestricted bike than an smartphone app.
Yeah app is a load of pi ss.
Hallo, thanks for the video. I have a Cube SH 140 At. How did You solve the rapid wear of the small sprockets? 10-12 teeth
Drive less in turbo.
You will automatically drive less in those sprockets.
But you can buy those two separately.
Use your gears and spread the wear, keep your drivetrain clean and lubed and don’t let your chain get past .75% wear before you replace it. There is no other solution.
This is one of my major annoyance with my Cube - the surprising amount to skipping under power in the higher gears. My bike is less than 6 months old and I've already replaced the chain once (first one snapped, but I've put that down to initial exuberance).
It's now constantly in my mind what my cadence and gear choice are and despite my best efforts it's still happening. 😢
Once again great guide! One question though. Currently I am considering to go with older non-smart Bosch CX gen4 (Scott e-Genius) which is cheaper vs new smart-system bike (Cube Stereo Hybrid 140), which is more expensive. If I go with the old one, I will replace the stock Purion display with Nyon. Have you ever tried this Nyon? How does old system with Nyon compare with Kiox300 on the smart system in terms of functionality? Thanks!
How can you see for yourself if the Extended Boost mode is switched on and thus if you have the 85NM full power tune or the 75Nm power tune?
Put it in Emtb mode and see if the overrun is active when you stop pedalling ?
Why you not comparing with Nyon system?
Will the Flow app still sync with your ride data if you have ridden without the Kiox (or Intuvia) display?
Yes, it will. Some bikes are sold without the display (so you use your phone). The motor still has memory of your mileage and syncs up fine even after having ridden previously without.
I like these features wish yamaha had them
Where ?
The new update in feb 24 you can tune all them
Who wants to reduce the max speed to 10 km/h?😂 The already impremented 25 km/h limit is a joke.
Yep. Volspeed for the win. 45km/h is a good sweet spot IMO.
Have you ever heard of European laws where the maximum speed for scooters and ebikes has to be 25km/h? Just so you know, there are eBikes with Bosch motor in America and they reach 45km/h because the law allows it.
I have my other mt bike set for 0 km/hr (it has no motor) LOL . I do find it odd they limited it so low when other global places have it higher. Should be universal at the higher.
Great video. Q: can I upgrade my 2020 Gen 4 Purion to this system? Thanks, Ian
I'm curious too. You found the answer? Is it possible? I have 2021 cx4
@@jakubdobrosielski5709 Sadly not unless you have a Smart motor….. My Trek Rail 9.7 is still excellent but this would have been the icing on the cake.
Ok. Thanks
In your video I can see that with 81% of 750w battery you have 43Km (in eMTB mode). I have the same bike and battery, and before the last Bosch update (1.18) with 86% of battery I have only 38Km!! Have you noticed this??
Lol I run auto and disabled emtb. Prettymuch same but auto feels more dynamic. Im 120kg with riding gear and I get 52km on auto with 625whbattery at 97%
Thansk for this video i have same bike but different collor
I'm gay 😄
I thought he was going to show us how to hack it and make it go 100mph
Is it possible to replace Bosch LED Remote with Bosch Mini Remote?
The LED Remote looks very unprofessional in my opinion and I'm not a fan of this 'disco' lights. Its just a cheap thing on an expensive equipement. I don't really need to know at which mode I'm riding as I can easily feel it. Same for battery.
You can "sense" your battery level ? Wow. That's amazing hahahhaha
Not a bad idea you can still keep your kiox to get informations.
@@Tony_P Yes I can easily estimate how much is left by experience.
you can if you install also a system controller + mini remote
Cadence 80-90 rpm 😂 Those are rookie numbers.. you need to bump up those numbers!
Wtf? Tuning the motor if you want to do more of the work? Seriously? That's what you are going to do then? Tuning the motor?
How do i remove the speed restiction
Tuning chip its very easy
The only thing that bothers me is that the maximum cycling limit is 25 km, i.e. pedaling. This is ridiculous. It should have been increased to 35 km. 😊
Truth told I thought the same. Till I got one ( a lefty) Still haven't chipped it. I only miss the higher speed when on busy roads. Will chip to 35 at some stage.
U can go 28 mph but not past 28 downhill
@@DeHyntonGaming Hmm I hit 38.4 mph downhill yesterday but the system was set to off so not sure if that makes a difference
I my bike I set the wheel diameter to half so the I get help up to 30 mph and I just have to double all speeds and distance
@@dougdavis8367😂😂😂
Ebike lock could leave you stranded in the mountains in the event a crash damages your fragile iPhone (or a phone battery dies prematurely) . I don’t recommend it.
That happen if you turn off the eBike after you lose your phone. If you lose your phone mid-trip and the eBike is not turned off, the Lock will not activate.There is also a new feature that allows you to use the kiox300 as a key / Lock
9:09 I liked the tips about battery health. Store between 30 and. 60%…. excellent ❤️
Never store it, ride it daily : )
One thing I would like to add, I believe you can modify the speed on the walk assist. I don’t know how to do it and being in mind to do so. It’s currently TOO SLOW!
These bikes are just too damn slow…..15.5mph is ludicrously slow. It’s hurting sales more than you will ever know. Bosch etc need to take the law makers to court and challenge this stupid rule.
It’s not hurting sales at all lol. You want everyone to have to pay for tax, insurance etc?
Wow, that was soooooooo useful! Just got my first ebike. A Cube / Bosch and had no idea about all those features. One thing Bosch can't do is produce a good manual, it's truly awful.
Mine only has the LED controller you show. Can I add a display? As good as the app is, mounting my phone in the UK weather is not really an option...
Glad you found it useful mate!
Regarding a display, I understand it's a pretty straightforward add-on for your Cube e-Bike. Check in with your local Cube dealer and they'll be able to show you which display options you can purchase, and should be able to install it for you too.
[Wil]
The display and mount are expensive like $150+ . I just use my phone and an excellent mount.
Bought the Trek Rail 9.7 Gen4. The Bosch performance CX is restricted in Japan and its crap! No power at all and the different modes make no difference whatsoever... The previous Gen 2 had way more power. No response from Bosch or Trek to remedy this. Disappointed...
Guys I got a question I buyed recently a bike with Bosch cx motor gen 4. Engine runs amazing I got a question tho, when I ride my bike and stop pedaling or rotate pedals in negative side and start pedal again to accelerate I got small tiny gab in my mechanic pedal. Is this normal ? I got a feeling like the engine starts working again.. thanks
That does sound normal - there is a small amount of lag when you start pedalling again, which is due to the internal freewheel inside the crankset/chainring. Combined with the freewheel mechanism in the rear hub, you'll always have a bit of free movement before the pedals engage. Hope that helps! [Wil]
what's so impressive about overrun/boost?? every motor has it
less impressive is that you can't customise it thru the app....what a bummer ....
still years behind the best systems (Specialized), You can't adjust all modes and adjustments are quite 'simple', remote still massive and easy to damage, and why you can't adjust such a simple thing like overrun time ?
Does it support Ant+/BLE to connect to your Garmin unit ??
Nah, spesh/Brose motor always feels low on power either side of its sweet spot. On paper the Brose should be better but on the trail overall the gen4 Bosch is better. I’ve had both. The Bosch motor is easier to get apart to change bearings and easier to work on. Hence why is consistently voted the best motor, also they’re out of warranty care far outstrips every other motor supplier in my experience as a working mechanic.
Fitted a Bosch Purion 200 to mine which gives me all the data I need without the Kiox. Great video though. 👍
Ip yoi 😊
Hello, to make it more useful I have managed to put "waypoints" in the Bosch FLOW application.
What’s “waypoints” ???
Is it like saving your destination you have looked up?
@@zjediniteyes
What I did is make a kind of "waypoints" (actually they are 50-meter routes made with the KOMOT application, once created the FLOW application automatically imports them to "my routes"). So if I'm in the middle of the mountain and I want to go home (pepe bar, fuente del pino or wherever). I open my routes and press the one I did in front of my house of 50 meters and I hold down, and it will automatically calculate the route to go to my house without doing anything. (BE CAREFUL... IT ONLY WORKS ON ANDROID, with the Iphone it doesn't let you click on the route).until version 1.15.10. view on : ua-cam.com/video/ZrQeguG31v4/v-deo.html
@@oletu4465 gotcha! Thank you 🤙🏽
Top 🤠
I dont like the fact these new motors lost nm of power
So i wont update to there new system.
what...
their vs there
What about the auto mode?
We mentioned it at 3:21 - it's a relatively new update that came out during the filming of the video, so we've not had a chance to give it a thorough test just yet. We've just received another new Bosch bike that we'll be testing it out on shortly - stay tuned! [Wil]
Tips for the battery: don't buy Bosch. They will not be waterproof, can't be repaired, can stop working due to a software! error. You never know if they will use proper LG cells or crappy Sanyo cells in your battery. Oh and they refuse to sell parts to a store that repairs an enclosure of a battery, because they're "harming the safety features". Pure corporate greed.
Clearly you don’t treat your bike properly
@@duncancccc Clearly I fix these batteries for a living. Clearly I've already had 38 of these batteries in for repair just the last 2 weeks. Even with proper maintenance of the battery, it'll still have random BMS errors, water intrusion from light rain, BMS diodes that fail, Tempsensor defects, Smashed balance wires from factory...
Can u do one with yamaha motors, specifically the the Giant Reign E+
This is all rubbish..these bikes are rendered usless due to the 25kms limit...end of story.
so true, if tuning isn't possible anymore due to anti tamper software, they wont sell 1 emtb anymore... 25km/h is pathetic, you constantly run into limit, making it run and stop and run and stop...
And yet not one of these reviewers will say that straight out and call out the manufacturers. @e-mike9776
@@e-mike9776 I’m pretty sure they’ll sell at least one EMTB if not three!
Luckily I live in the land of 20mph Class 1’s.