Call me crazy, but I enjoy regular demonstrations of the bullet stopping superpowers of sand. I deleted all my armor plates and now just run pocket sand. Dale Gribble spec 5A+ armor.
Replace the single 6x6x6 box with three 6x6x2 boxes. A pack of 25 is just $15. (This commercial brought to you by Uline.) Maybe use a couple bungie cords to hold them in place. Also, thanks for stopping that evil turtle. I was worried for a bit.
I've been using 300 WM for Missouri whitetails since 1989. Longest shot about 275 yards on a young spike buck, running. DRT. 150 grain Wichester Powerpoint has never disappointed. If i lived out west, and hunted elk, im pretty sure I would have a .338. No disrespect to 7 mm, all good rounds with good shot placement. Cool tests, as always 👍👍
Here in Colorado. In the mountains west of Walden. I’ve personally seen a Christianson carbon fiber rifle, chambered in 300 Winchester magnum- talked with a leupold CTS drop a cow elk at 1100 yards. one shot. Heart lung combo
I've been testing bullets for about 50 years if you take a copier box and fill it with magazines, keep them wet and soggy for several months, (so make a couple of these )you can put water jugs, cow bones, limbs, or anything in front of the box, still capture the bullet and get realistic results. As you take a screwdriver and look through the magazines you can get results of the wound channel that you should be able to photograph. Large pumpkins with two small holes in the top filled with water give you some very interesting results.!!!!
I like the sandbox test; ya' know because of science and stuff. At least keep it around for calibers you haven't tested yet. 8.6 Blackout supers, .300 &.338 RUM & Lapua, the African safari cartridges, & .50BMG You might want to preschedule the shoulder surgery, just sayin'.
It took a bit for me to figure out how to not to end up with a sore shoulder with my 338. Hold it firmly. Both hands and to shoulder. If any of the 3 are slack it will make you remember.🙂
@@voivode2591 yea you don’t forget that. And when you get to be 64 like me, you really don’t forget it. Nice job though I really like your methodology.
I'm a 7mm RM owner who lives in an area where there's no range long enough for any of those calibers. Nice to see the 7RM held its own! Next time maybe use clay?
Which do you find to be the most pleasant to shoot? I've been looking at a magnum round, and am not sure which to get (even considering the 35 Whelen...).
@@bluepunk182Just so you know, the projectile and load will make a difference. However the 3006 is the easiest on the shoulder, the 7mm very close. 338 with the loads I have is MEAN ! The 3006 I have is a Remington 721 from the 40s and has a metal but plate. It's what the Mrs shoots. No complaints.
@@Comet-hn3gm Yeah, I understand there can be a decent amount of variables....but it sounds like that 338 is a step above the 30-06 and 7mm, huh? I tend to really like 7mms for the ballistics... might have to look more into that one. I appreciate the reply and info!
@@bluepunk182 Well, I can't recall for sure, because it's been 25 years ago, but as I recall the 225 grain 338 bullet was going about the same as a 7mm 160? Grain at the muzzle. Down range I'm sure it was slower, but had more energy. If the Mrs. Has the same tag as me, I pack the 338, because it's going to hurt her.
Like others suggested, stick with the sandbox, but either use several thinner boxes in a row, or something no thicker than 4 inches. Or use a 2 inch box of sand with a small jug of water (just don't tape them together, the energy transfer from the box to the water jug will tear up the jug, even if the sand stops the projectile). (also, good lord, UA-cam's being censorious today).
I'm not sure but Hickock45 released a video a few days ago explaining that with UA-cam's new TOS, any sponsored gun videos can be grounds for channel deletion. I'd hate for you to get a strike. Love the Channel. The replacement could be rubber blocks like for a car jack, or even horse mats, but the mats would require some kind of lamination like a dock bumper at a warehouse.
I shot a Remington 700 7MM Mag for years. It was accurate. Nearly always a straight on shot. Usually I used 139 grain bullet. Bigger game the 175 grain. The rifle I had bedded the stock, floated the barrel, and put a timney trigger in it. It would drive tacks.
I've owned and loaded all three of these cartridges. I've sold the .338 and the 7mm and kept the .300 win. mag.. The 7mm is not as fast or as powerful as the 300, and neither is the 338. The 35 Whelen can push a 225 grain bullet at 2800 fps on 15 grains less powder than the 338 can push a 225 grain bullet. All three are wonderful cartridges but where I live and hunt elk, in southern Colorado, I've never needed any magnum caliber rifle to successfully harvest my elk whenever given the chance.
Muzzle brake on 300 WM is a must. I've got a Tikka T3X 300WM with a clamp on muzzle brake loctited on and comparing it with and without the brake to Savage 110s in 270wsm & 6.5 Creedmoor both without brakes, the 300 without a brake had way more recoil then the 270wsm with the brake was like shooting the 6.5 creedmoor maybe even less hard to tell
I was gravitating to .300 win mag just because it's cheaper and more popular than 7mm rem mag in my neck of the woods and seemed similar enough in power on paper. Good to see some tests that confirm my preconceived biases :) lol
Till you decide to run through a box when sighting it in. I've run 62 rounds through my 7mm RM in a couple hours one day. Sure I felt it a little the next day, but not as bad as 300WM.
@@mikeford963Was never bothered by the recoil of the 7mm REM MAG could shoot all day or as much as I could afford even with the 170 grain rounds, didn't seem much different than a 303 British or a 30-06 maybe because it was a well designed rifle,it was a Sako and wish I never got rid of it
I mean, a good muzzle break really takes the starch out of the recoil. I can’t imagine shooting a magnum without any kind of muzzle device, let alone 25 times between three different rifles.
@@altortugas5979 I didn't have a muzzle brake on my Sako in 7mm REM MAG and I had no problem going through 4-5 boxes of 20 , I could feel it but it was not uncomfortable to shoot
Sheet rock aka gypsum wall board. Gwb is in most houses and buildings. It's available at every home center and hardware store. Layer 1/2" x 6" squares to 5" with a piece of plywood supporting the back. It's easy to see how deep the bullets penetrate.
I have had always felt that the 300 winmag is the best bang for the buck when it comes to long range and stopping power. Sure there are better rounds but for the relative cost to entry and ammo availability I really like that round.
The 7 Rem Mag is more efficient over long range and can actually exceed the .300 in residual energy over longer ranges... and is easier on the shoulder. A .28-inch bullet has a higher BC than a .30.
I have a feeling the lapua and norma mag would perform really close. The norma mag iirc was designed so you don't have OAL issues with long 338 bullets (namely 300 grain)
300 win mag. my reload recipe--->180gr Nosler Partition. Haven't shot any medium/large limbs, typically use for Elk, High Country Mulies and Pronghorn/Antelope...yup, Antelope, works great AND the 300 win mag doesn't turn a hind quarter or shoulder into hamburger due to poor shot placement unlike the 7 mag. 7 mag ok is a flat shooter, I just don't prefer a 7mm/284... 338 great cal in 225 Nosler Partition but still prefer my go to 300 win...cheers
Duct sealing compound. It used to be a popular medium for bullet testing in gun magazines back in the say before Ballistic gel became a thing. I used it to do a science fair project back in the early 90s to test 22 ammo.
It might be slightly over super cheap and easy but I think people would be very interested to see how many pieces of drywall a round makes it though. Separate them by at least a couple inches so it's a clean pass on each and not just compacting material.
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I'm likely in the minority that liked the sand box. If anything ever makes it through you could claim significant results. You could try wet phone books or newspaper if anyone still used phone books or newspaper LOL
Sand Box Replacement: Wet newspaper hung from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. This was used to test bullets as far back as the 1920s. It was still the best way to test bullets through the 1970s into the 1980s. WHY: Because it was cheap and it simulated how a bullet would react when hitting flesh. Gather newspaper and soak them in water overnight. Hang them from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. Fire into them and you can see the wound channel and how deep the bullets will penetrate. If you have never tried it you are missing out. Ballistic gel is fine but it lacks the fluid to really make bullets expand as it will in flesh. Soaking wet newspaper is dramatic when shot. Anyone who has studied the would channel in a deer and compared it to the results they got from ballistic gel can tell you there is a huge difference between those two mediums. For magnum calibers you will want 2 boxes of wet newspaper. The boxes should be full and the news paper coming right out of the water and still dripping. Try it and you will not want to use anything else.
6inches of sand is alot to penetrate . You should keep the sand target and make it a 4inch sand box that's what we use at home to check penetration test and it works extremely well
The impact shift on copper bullets could be from not cleaning the barrel after using other non copper ammunition. The great Ron Spomer has been talking about this on his podcast, probably worth a try
I got a hold of a British 303 and some AP rounds. They were able to go through 3 ft of packed red clay, and not a fist side hunk out of the bank on the other side of the dam. My dad said the British 303 would go through 24 in of sandbags and kill somebody on the other side.
Potential sand replacements, baking flour, corn meal, sugar or feed corn. Feed corn is about $12 for 50lbs in most places. Testing common calibers on a sand replacement is probably a good video all on its own.
Would love to see you use a 175 gr Speer Hot-Cor in the Rem 7 mag. Your sectional density goes from .249 with the 139 grain bullet to .310 with 175 grain. Bone crushing penetration changes dramatically. Cheers!
Had a Sakko bolt action in 7mm Rem mag and loved to target shoot with it at the longest range I could safely find in my area and would shoot as much as I could afford for bullets would easily go through a hundred dollars in a couple hours of shooting but it was hard to quit when you could hit just about anything even as small as a pop can over 200-300 yards
Just a information share.. a rifle that you have shot normal bullets thru MUST clean the barrel VERY VERY well down to the metal BEFORE you shoot copper bullets. I know you're not shooting long-range or for distance, but it's a fact that rifles that shoot copper AFTER shooting normal lead bullets are very inaccurate. IDK why, but it's been proven several times by guys on UA-cam like Ron spomer, Jim from Backfire, and others. By the way, great stuff and really enjoy your channel.
Replace the sand with a block of ice. You could either puchase block ice or use a five gallon bucket. The bucket filled to the same depth from one video to the next would give consistant results. Low cost and easy clean up.
Warming up the shoulder for a 7mm? I think someone needs to have a talk with Scott from Kentucky Ballistics, he'll get that fixed for you in NO TIME!!!
Alternative to sand - wet magazines/phone books - they're not quite as tough as sand to blaze through but you duct tape four or five inches worth together and then let them soak and they make a good target which puts on a show and will at least stop most level 3A stuff.
I made a ballistic chart and graph with a bunch of long range calibers years ago and it included 7mm rem and 300wm. In the end i went with 204 ruger but also considered 7mm rem. I already have 7.92x57 for heavy hitting medium range. I bypassed 300wm.
Far as the sand goes... I think the issues is that the bullets are travelling so fast when they hit it, it mangles them and absorbs most or all of the energy. You'll notice some slower bullets have made it thru because their interaction with the sand is less violent.
The sand is a pretty tough medium to penetrate, so you just need to find a thickness that doesn't stop everything you sling at it so that you can have winners and losers in the sand test. Seems like a 2 inch thickness is popular, so 6x6x2 inch box, then 3/4 inch space, then another box, then space, then box, then 3/4 inch plywood. I would like to hear Terry's input on this as well.
Try using a soaking wet phone book or library book. You can literally count pages of penetration and turn to the page of the perfectly expanded bullet.
With water jugs everyone try's to just put them in a straight line and for some reason only seem to capture 10-15% of them. As you seem to come up with some new and innovate ways of holding things I look forward as to what you got for us
I agree 338 with the barnes bullets have taken down many alaskan moose and bears for me over last 30 years but off the bench with no brake it will shake your brain
@@RandyMan388 I'm an old fart now, and had to give up hunting because of mobility issues. I had to undergo replacement of both shoulder joints a few years ago, and now, I can't handle any heavy recoil (even 30-30 becomes painful after a few rounds). The longest shot I ever made when I still hunted was between 400 to 500 yards, which is well within the capabilities of the 338-06 per its data, but I don't recall anyone making off the shelf 338-06's in the 70's - 90's. At least I never saw one at the Gun Stores I frequented back in the day.
I think the sandbox is highly unrealistic unless the sand is sopping wet anyway. Easy/easy/easy? Easy: roll of shop towels in a denim pant leg with a dowel in the middle.
I went shooting with my granddaughter. We had a large plastic bottle from cheese doodles or something, full of water, resting on a cement block. Fired a single shot of Hornaday hunting ammo in 6mm ARC - not nearly the power of the .338 Win Mag. It hit only an inch or so above the bottom of the bottle, blew the water up in the air, and the shock wave completely shattered the cement block in small pieces. Not just the top surface where the jug was sitting, but the next layer down as well. Maybe you could add an energy transfer test?
I'd say a good replacement for the sand would be clay, by a box made of wood or metal, but entry and exit can be hot glued or stapled cardboard at the top to form a sort of hinge and bottom just blocked by something with mass and low profile like your mild steel plates, with cardboard used it will not mess up the bullet upon entry and fling clay out of the box, and also cheap, and the data could be measured with how big the temporary wound cavity would be, I've done this on my range and it works pretty well, just gotta do more slappity slaps with form it back into shape every time, but thats just my suggestion, love your videos banana, your ballistics drive me bananas lol
I'm not a reloader but looking at published ballistics data, the 7mm mag and 300 win mag are virtually identical out to 600m, then the 300 carries more kinetic energy out to 1000m while the 7mm mag remains flatter and drops less.
Water jugs are going to be hard to evaluate I would imagine. I do love watching water explode under pressure but just not sure how easy it would be to judge and point of impact would change the results drastically. I do love the sand so my vote is to continue with the sand but change the depth to something that a rifle can barely get through and then the same for pistols. If not then maybe some type of plastic? Glass would be cool for us, but not so much for you. Maybe plexiglass? Love the content.
Re: "evil turtle" Gamera started as a controversial youth, who maybe, possibly, did some damage to the society, but then he turned around and became not only the savior, but even the best friend of all the children! He definitely saved me from being bored to death in school. What not to like about this guy?
A whole video trying out everyone's ideas for sand box replacements!
@@saleembarmania5295 that’s a great idea.
Call me crazy, but I enjoy regular demonstrations of the bullet stopping superpowers of sand.
I deleted all my armor plates and now just run pocket sand. Dale Gribble spec 5A+ armor.
😂
Yep… *sips beer*
You can defeat Darth Vader with that set up
Me too! I want the 6” sand box to stay
Well, Mr. Crazy, I've only found 5A+ to work in the Land of the Lost: Great against Sleestak Bolts.....ineffective against Skylon laser blasts.
Replace the single 6x6x6 box with three 6x6x2 boxes. A pack of 25 is just $15. (This commercial brought to you by Uline.) Maybe use a couple bungie cords to hold them in place.
Also, thanks for stopping that evil turtle. I was worried for a bit.
omgsh Uline
the catalog they send with every order tho...
10:09 “the small boys might be able to out penetrate the larger diameter boys”
Me: you hear that little buddy! 😂
Sus
I wouldn't admit that.
“Terry, quit playing around”😂
I've been using 300 WM for Missouri whitetails since 1989. Longest shot about 275 yards on a young spike buck, running. DRT. 150 grain Wichester Powerpoint has never disappointed. If i lived out west, and hunted elk, im pretty sure I would have a .338. No disrespect to 7 mm, all good rounds with good shot placement. Cool tests, as always 👍👍
the 180 grain powerpoints run much better in my 300 wm
Here in Colorado. In the mountains west of Walden. I’ve personally seen a Christianson carbon fiber rifle, chambered in 300 Winchester magnum- talked with a leupold CTS drop a cow elk at 1100 yards. one shot. Heart lung combo
"She Be Kick'n!" - Kentucky Ballistics
I've been testing bullets for about 50 years if you take a copier box and fill it with magazines, keep them wet and soggy for several months, (so make a couple of these )you can put water jugs, cow bones, limbs, or anything in front of the box, still capture the bullet and get realistic results. As you take a screwdriver and look through the magazines you can get results of the wound channel that you should be able to photograph. Large pumpkins with two small holes in the top filled with water give you some very interesting results.!!!!
we used ammo boxes filled with cardboard and water
These turtles are no joke! Glad you took care of them.
Sandbox was a fine idea - you just need several 2-inch deep ones instead of that 6-inch unit.
I was gonna say that, or use 3 inches instead of 6. I'm not sure how he would consistently get/make 2 inch deep "slabs".
That
6"x6"x2" three deep is what ive been thinking since i started watching banana
I like the sandbox test; ya' know because of science and stuff.
At least keep it around for calibers you haven't tested yet.
8.6 Blackout supers, .300 &.338 RUM & Lapua, the African safari cartridges, & .50BMG You might want to preschedule the shoulder surgery, just sayin'.
Exactly. Very few can penetrate the back of a 6" box.
Am I the only one that thinks of the 40 Year Old Virgin when you do the sand test? "Feels like a bag of sand when I touch it."
I have a 338 win Mag and I know how much recoil you suffer when you shoot it off a bench so I can definitely empathize. Great test by the way.
It took a bit for me to figure out how to not to end up with a sore shoulder with my 338. Hold it firmly. Both hands and to shoulder. If any of the 3 are slack it will make you remember.🙂
@@voivode2591 yea you don’t forget that. And when you get to be 64 like me, you really don’t forget it. Nice job though I really like your methodology.
Modeling clay shows the impact very well and can be re-used if you keep it moist and refrigerated.
Hell yes!!! Modeling clay would be AWESOME!!!!!!!
Agree 👍
modeling clay is oil based...
@@LupusMechanicus So?
@@philkoth2198 It doesn't need to be kept "moist"
Now that the 6 inch sand box is gone...
I want to see a 4 inch box of sand!!!
😁
I'm a 7mm RM owner who lives in an area where there's no range long enough for any of those calibers. Nice to see the 7RM held its own!
Next time maybe use clay?
Water jugs seem like a good replacement for the sand. Tough barrier but also shows energy transfer
Agree, and possibly catch the bullet for expansion testing!
The meat target....
or soda jugs :)
Yes I was thinking water jugs as well, can you use different number depending on calibers tested.
Water and Paul Harrel style meat targets.
Water is a very pretty target too
I'm really glad for the scenarios you brought into these tests, it really makes them more practical.
Agreed
What's the dude on the toilet doing with that left hand?😂😂😂
Husking the banana😉
We were all wondering the same thing…
Not sure but he is probably a Glock fanboy.
Tapping and racking the organic slide.
Ok. I have used 7mm 3006 and currently 338. For 45 years. What matters for hunting is the shot placement, nothing else if you use a quality bullet.
Right, a larger bullet has a higher Tko factor. Energy transfer,not holes
Which do you find to be the most pleasant to shoot? I've been looking at a magnum round, and am not sure which to get (even considering the 35 Whelen...).
@@bluepunk182Just so you know, the projectile and load will make a difference. However the 3006 is the easiest on the shoulder, the 7mm very close. 338 with the loads I have is MEAN ! The 3006 I have is a Remington 721 from the 40s and has a metal but plate. It's what the Mrs shoots. No complaints.
@@Comet-hn3gm Yeah, I understand there can be a decent amount of variables....but it sounds like that 338 is a step above the 30-06 and 7mm, huh? I tend to really like 7mms for the ballistics... might have to look more into that one. I appreciate the reply and info!
@@bluepunk182 Well, I can't recall for sure, because it's been 25 years ago, but as I recall the 225 grain 338 bullet was going about the same as a 7mm 160? Grain at the muzzle. Down range I'm sure it was slower, but had more energy. If the Mrs. Has the same tag as me, I pack the 338, because it's going to hurt her.
4 inch sand box?
Mud box?
Juice boxes?
Layers of mdf? Cardboard?
World's thickest "new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop"?
Hay bale?
Clay
I love the toilet guy!
Toilet guy commentary =awesome 😂
Watching bananas and thumb on toilet...
Like others suggested, stick with the sandbox, but either use several thinner boxes in a row, or something no thicker than 4 inches.
Or use a 2 inch box of sand with a small jug of water (just don't tape them together, the energy transfer from the box to the water jug will tear up the jug, even if the sand stops the projectile).
(also, good lord, UA-cam's being censorious today).
Yeah, they've really tightened the screws lately.
Listening to him talk at 25% speed is hilarious 😂
Turn it around!!! Makes me chuckle every time. Great videos.
Now we see why sandbags are so good in combat!
I'm not sure but Hickock45 released a video a few days ago explaining that with UA-cam's new TOS, any sponsored gun videos can be grounds for channel deletion.
I'd hate for you to get a strike. Love the Channel.
The replacement could be rubber blocks like for a car jack, or even horse mats, but the mats would require some kind of lamination like a dock bumper at a warehouse.
Just don’t take the money. It’s pretty easy to avoid. This is just to get rid of the gun salesman part of UA-cam… which is 75% of guntubers.
It’s like UA-cam is trying to push everyone to rumble! Lol
Might have to delete UA-cam. It’s pretty gay anymore
I shot a Remington 700 7MM Mag for years. It was accurate. Nearly always a straight on shot. Usually I used 139 grain bullet. Bigger game the 175 grain. The rifle I had bedded the stock, floated the barrel, and put a timney trigger in it. It would drive tacks.
Pinky test:
Just the tip...Oouuhhh!
Further in...Oooh yeah!
THATS WHAT HE SAID!
i myself like it balls deep! of course im the guy married to steffy!! lol
I will stick with the 7mm Rem mag! Lighter recoil faster round more hydraulic shock!
300 is faster
@@ronoutwest You sure about that?
@@ronoutwest Not when I am reloading!
Bullshit
I've owned and loaded all three of these cartridges. I've sold the .338 and the 7mm and kept the .300 win. mag.. The 7mm is not as fast or as powerful as the 300, and neither is the 338. The 35 Whelen can push a 225 grain bullet at 2800 fps on 15 grains less powder than the 338 can push a 225 grain bullet. All three are wonderful cartridges but where I live and hunt elk, in southern Colorado, I've never needed any magnum caliber rifle to successfully harvest my elk whenever given the chance.
Muzzle brake on 300 WM is a must. I've got a Tikka T3X 300WM with a clamp on muzzle brake loctited on and comparing it with and without the brake to Savage 110s in 270wsm & 6.5 Creedmoor both without brakes, the 300 without a brake had way more recoil then the 270wsm with the brake was like shooting the 6.5 creedmoor maybe even less hard to tell
Poor sandbox. 📦 He always performed so valiantly but remained so underappreciated.
RIP 😢😞😭
As a 300WM owner only because I didn't want to pay for the 338 ammo prices I am happy to see it is still very relevant
I'll take the 7MM all day long. Still very capable, while cheaper to feed and less punishing to shoot.
Not bad I choose 308 for pretty much anything for those exact same reasons
I was gravitating to .300 win mag just because it's cheaper and more popular than 7mm rem mag in my neck of the woods and seemed similar enough in power on paper. Good to see some tests that confirm my preconceived biases :) lol
7mm was cheaper, flatter shooting and slightly more power than 300wm but things may have changed from years ago
Till you decide to run through a box when sighting it in. I've run 62 rounds through my 7mm RM in a couple hours one day. Sure I felt it a little the next day, but not as bad as 300WM.
@@mikeford963Was never bothered by the recoil of the 7mm REM MAG could shoot all day or as much as I could afford even with the 170 grain rounds, didn't seem much different than a 303 British or a 30-06 maybe because it was a well designed rifle,it was a Sako and wish I never got rid of it
I mean, a good muzzle break really takes the starch out of the recoil. I can’t imagine shooting a magnum without any kind of muzzle device, let alone 25 times between three different rifles.
@@altortugas5979 I didn't have a muzzle brake on my Sako in 7mm REM MAG and I had no problem going through 4-5 boxes of 20 , I could feel it but it was not uncomfortable to shoot
Sheet rock aka gypsum wall board. Gwb is in most houses and buildings. It's available at every home center and hardware store. Layer 1/2" x 6" squares to 5" with a piece of plywood supporting the back. It's easy to see how deep the bullets penetrate.
I have had always felt that the 300 winmag is the best bang for the buck when it comes to long range and stopping power. Sure there are better rounds but for the relative cost to entry and ammo availability I really like that round.
Had my 300WM since 91,love it,and she's a real thumper!
Same. I also have a Remington 700 in .280 Remington, but for all out versatility, it's really hard to beat the venerable 300 Win Mag.
The 7 Rem Mag is more efficient over long range and can actually exceed the .300 in residual energy over longer ranges... and is easier on the shoulder. A .28-inch bullet has a higher BC than a .30.
Battle of .338? Win mag, Norma mag, lapua mag 🤔
I'm sure he'll rush out and drop 3 thousand dollars for a video
@rbhe357 😂😂😂👍
Don't forget the .338 Remington ultra mag...and. 340 Weatherby.
I have a feeling the lapua and norma mag would perform really close. The norma mag iirc was designed so you don't have OAL issues with long 338 bullets (namely 300 grain)
I cant like this enough. Maybe the 8 59 lazzeroni as well@andrewartress9251
300 win mag. my reload recipe--->180gr Nosler Partition. Haven't shot any medium/large limbs, typically use for Elk, High Country Mulies and Pronghorn/Antelope...yup, Antelope, works great AND the 300 win mag doesn't turn a hind quarter or shoulder into hamburger due to poor shot placement unlike the 7 mag. 7 mag ok is a flat shooter, I just don't prefer a 7mm/284...
338 great cal in 225 Nosler Partition but still prefer my go to 300 win...cheers
Duct sealing compound. It used to be a popular medium for bullet testing in gun magazines back in the say before Ballistic gel became a thing. I used it to do a science fair project back in the early 90s to test 22 ammo.
It might be slightly over super cheap and easy but I think people would be very interested to see how many pieces of drywall a round makes it though. Separate them by at least a couple inches so it's a clean pass on each and not just compacting material.
"Barry, quit playing around!" Lmbo; bro seriously: you crack me up, lolol!!! 😂🦋
I like the sand box it’s alway surprising. I like when he uses different rounds in the same gun as well.
Need a 5 inch sandbox instead of 6 for the rifles, and 4 inch for handguns
4:48 I think the sand box just answered for us! 😂
We had all 3 of those guns in elk camp for 20 years. For elk, you want the 338 if you can shoot it well.
Those butterflies are totally taking advantage of Mr banana!
man, you have a real talent for drawing
What were the bullet weights in each caliber?
@@jimfarmer693 It's in the description for the video.
139 for 7mm. 165 for 300wm. 225 for 338wm
And what bullet?
@@KarlPoorbaugh all were interlock
@@KarlPoorbaugh judging by the tip, and I believe he says Barnes in the video they would be TTSX solid copper
Two comments- 1 You’ve got some sweeet slick bolt guns! 2 When you cut to “that guy on the crapper”, while I’m on the crapper, it kills me!! 😂😂 👍🏼 Keep up the great work & content!😊
Don’t think he’s eluding to that scenario. You can see by his hand movements
Also, I love the toilet commenter, that's spot on youtube's viewership.
I'm likely in the minority that liked the sand box. If anything ever makes it through you could claim significant results. You could try wet phone books or newspaper if anyone still used phone books or newspaper LOL
Sand Box Replacement: Wet newspaper hung from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. This was used to test bullets as far back as the 1920s. It was still the best way to test bullets through the 1970s into the 1980s. WHY: Because it was cheap and it simulated how a bullet would react when hitting flesh. Gather newspaper and soak them in water overnight. Hang them from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. Fire into them and you can see the wound channel and how deep the bullets will penetrate. If you have never tried it you are missing out. Ballistic gel is fine but it lacks the fluid to really make bullets expand as it will in flesh. Soaking wet newspaper is dramatic when shot. Anyone who has studied the would channel in a deer and compared it to the results they got from ballistic gel can tell you there is a huge difference between those two mediums. For magnum calibers you will want 2 boxes of wet newspaper. The boxes should be full and the news paper coming right out of the water and still dripping. Try it and you will not want to use anything else.
Banana.... hugs from Brazil!!!!
I miss the flying banana intro. It's perfect for this channel's sense of humor. Also, I am writing this while the toilet. 👍
Gave it a 👍. . . From the toilet.
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It's nice to see steel sled 4.2 again
6inches of sand is alot to penetrate . You should keep the sand target and make it a 4inch sand box that's what we use at home to check penetration test and it works extremely well
11:40 captures the ricochet. Cool shot!
The impact shift on copper bullets could be from not cleaning the barrel after using other non copper ammunition. The great Ron Spomer has been talking about this on his podcast, probably worth a try
I got a hold of a British 303 and some AP rounds. They were able to go through 3 ft of packed red clay, and not a fist side hunk out of the bank on the other side of the dam. My dad said the British 303 would go through 24 in of sandbags and kill somebody on the other side.
Potential sand replacements, baking flour, corn meal, sugar or feed corn. Feed corn is about $12 for 50lbs in most places. Testing common calibers on a sand replacement is probably a good video all on its own.
It's amazing how tough a box of sand is.
Would love to see you use a 175 gr Speer Hot-Cor in the Rem 7 mag. Your sectional density goes from .249 with the 139 grain bullet to .310 with 175 grain. Bone crushing penetration changes dramatically. Cheers!
Had a Sakko bolt action in 7mm Rem mag and loved to target shoot with it at the longest range I could safely find in my area and would shoot as much as I could afford for bullets would easily go through a hundred dollars in a couple hours of shooting but it was hard to quit when you could hit just about anything even as small as a pop can over 200-300 yards
Just a information share.. a rifle that you have shot normal bullets thru MUST clean the barrel VERY VERY well down to the metal BEFORE you shoot copper bullets. I know you're not shooting long-range or for distance, but it's a fact that rifles that shoot copper AFTER shooting normal lead bullets are very inaccurate. IDK why, but it's been proven several times by guys on UA-cam like Ron spomer, Jim from Backfire, and others. By the way, great stuff and really enjoy your channel.
I have a 60th anniversary 7mm RM, but I don't think it'll win this 😂
Are you using the same bullets in all calibers?
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@@nozrep Evil turtle.
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Bonus points for hole diameter on the 338, tho
Replace the sand with a block of ice. You could either puchase block ice or use a five gallon bucket. The bucket filled to the same depth from one video to the next would give consistant results. Low cost and easy clean up.
Sand has a unique ability to shred bullets, though.
Warming up the shoulder for a 7mm? I think someone needs to have a talk with Scott from Kentucky Ballistics, he'll get that fixed for you in NO TIME!!!
Alternative to sand - wet magazines/phone books - they're not quite as tough as sand to blaze through but you duct tape four or five inches worth together and then let them soak and they make a good target which puts on a show and will at least stop most level 3A stuff.
Really enjoy your testing always get a chuckle
Would love to see you test the 300 RUM
I made a ballistic chart and graph with a bunch of long range calibers years ago and it included 7mm rem and 300wm. In the end i went with 204 ruger but also considered 7mm rem. I already have 7.92x57 for heavy hitting medium range. I bypassed 300wm.
The 338 is no pushover.
Has the most energy, although close with 300
None of the 3 is even close to a pushover. All 3 are magnum cartridges.
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Depth in ballistic gel would be a good replacement for the sand, then you will have an exact difference of depth on a softer target
Love the videos, you should try putting like a pine board behind the steel to see how lethal they are after they penetrate
Ha Ha, I was in Fairbanks when a drunk put 4 rounds of .338 win mag softpoints thru the Trans Alaskan Pipeline. Good enuf for me.
Far as the sand goes... I think the issues is that the bullets are travelling so fast when they hit it, it mangles them and absorbs most or all of the energy. You'll notice some slower bullets have made it thru because their interaction with the sand is less violent.
Just like water
Man you really gotta watch out for the 5.5" pine tree limbs, they can sneak up on you outta nowhere.
The sand is a pretty tough medium to penetrate, so you just need to find a thickness that doesn't stop everything you sling at it so that you can have winners and losers in the sand test. Seems like a 2 inch thickness is popular, so 6x6x2 inch box, then 3/4 inch space, then another box, then space, then box, then 3/4 inch plywood. I would like to hear Terry's input on this as well.
Try using a soaking wet phone book or library book. You can literally count pages of penetration and turn to the page of the perfectly expanded bullet.
With water jugs everyone try's to just put them in a straight line and for some reason only seem to capture 10-15% of them.
As you seem to come up with some new and innovate ways of holding things I look forward as to what you got for us
Long time .338 Win Mag Fan. IMHO, the best cartridge for any Large North American Game.
I agree 338 with the barnes bullets have taken down many alaskan moose and bears for me over last 30 years but off the bench with no brake it will shake your brain
@@GregElbert-ug9kt Get yourself a 338-06 shoot Barnes 210 T-TSX @ 2800fps.
It does a great job on all animals.
Less recoil than the Win. Mag.
@@RandyMan388 I'm an old fart now, and had to give up hunting because of mobility issues. I had to undergo replacement of both shoulder joints a few years ago, and now, I can't handle any heavy recoil (even 30-30 becomes painful after a few rounds).
The longest shot I ever made when I still hunted was between 400 to 500 yards, which is well within the capabilities of the 338-06 per its data, but I don't recall anyone making off the shelf 338-06's in the 70's - 90's. At least I never saw one at the Gun Stores I frequented back in the day.
Those are some nice ear piercers🦻!! I love my 7 mag. I like the sand test just make the box thinner so some have a chance of penetrating through.
I think the sandbox is highly unrealistic unless the sand is sopping wet anyway. Easy/easy/easy? Easy: roll of shop towels in a denim pant leg with a dowel in the middle.
I went shooting with my granddaughter. We had a large plastic bottle from cheese doodles or something, full of water, resting on a cement block. Fired a single shot of Hornaday hunting ammo in 6mm ARC - not nearly the power of the .338 Win Mag. It hit only an inch or so above the bottom of the bottle, blew the water up in the air, and the shock wave completely shattered the cement block in small pieces. Not just the top surface where the jug was sitting, but the next layer down as well. Maybe you could add an energy transfer test?
Case capacities:
7mm RM: 82 gr. H2O
300 WM: 94 gr. H2O
338 WM: 86 gr. H2O
says it all...
weird I've got 150 gr. 7mm RM sounds. I don't know jack about firewarms though. I just bought this rifle back in 07 and enjoyed it.
@@wysestone The figure I cite is case capacity; i.e. how many grains of water fit in the case. The more powder burned, the more power -- generally.
Doesn't say it all. What happens at 3,6,800,1000 yards?
@@Phidelity1984 RIght. He did do tests at all those ranges. Another person who wants to create an argument for no reason...
I'd say a good replacement for the sand would be clay, by a box made of wood or metal, but entry and exit can be hot glued or stapled cardboard at the top to form a sort of hinge and bottom just blocked by something with mass and low profile like your mild steel plates, with cardboard used it will not mess up the bullet upon entry and fling clay out of the box, and also cheap, and the data could be measured with how big the temporary wound cavity would be, I've done this on my range and it works pretty well, just gotta do more slappity slaps with form it back into shape every time, but thats just my suggestion, love your videos banana, your ballistics drive me bananas lol
There all great rounds to have in your arsenal. That’s what he’s showing you. Everyone of those will get the job done
Fun fact about Banana Ballistics. When he sings at his church choir, he has a high pitched falsetto voice.
It’s true.
I've only ever owned one .300 win,mag . Custom purple 💜
Stock. So the weight helps the recoil.
.338 Win mag is a beast of a round. Now you know why we build revetments from sandbags.
I'm not a reloader but looking at published ballistics data, the 7mm mag and 300 win mag are virtually identical out to 600m, then the 300 carries more kinetic energy out to 1000m while the 7mm mag remains flatter and drops less.
In your video’s I can pause on almost any part of a wide shot of the bush and my pareidolia runs wild
Water jugs are going to be hard to evaluate I would imagine. I do love watching water explode under pressure but just not sure how easy it would be to judge and point of impact would change the results drastically. I do love the sand so my vote is to continue with the sand but change the depth to something that a rifle can barely get through and then the same for pistols. If not then maybe some type of plastic? Glass would be cool for us, but not so much for you. Maybe plexiglass? Love the content.
Love your tests, the sand is a great one. Sometimes less is more, maybe a 6x6x4? Thanks for the great videos, keep them coming.
This was the best and funniest video I’ve ever seen
Re: "evil turtle"
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