When I was first getting into commander I saw a temmet deck featured on here and it really struck me as fun. Ended up building one for myself. Definitely wouldn't have otherwise
Adam forgot about Anger in their graveyard on turn 7 which would have let them attack at Scott and make enough treasures to activate the Aggravated Assault and take out Scott
Adam missed adding treasures for his second attack off of aggrevated, and it would have been enough to fire it again. Overall, he was at least 5 treasures light by the end of the game. Edit* by my recount, light by 3, but also missed an attack that could have led to an additional 3, and likely the game.
thats what i though, that could be a game ending. and the other missplay was targeting gaeas craddle, he should wait till scott play something to activate magda.
In addition he could've gotten Goldspan Dragon instead of Balefire Dragon and with 3 dwarfs in play that would make infinite combats. While netting a treasure every other combat. I also think he forgot about Anger in his graveyard as he didn't attack after rebuilding his board which was even less treasures for the following turns. Edit: it wouldn't have given him the extra treasure as he wouldn't have been able to float the mana through steps and phases but he did have the 4th Dwarf in hand which then would've worked.
Can you timestamp when he missed them? We were (we thought) pretty on top of those gains. You can at 8:18 after the second combat step the number went up again. It shows 2, but it was 3, as he used one for the Bloodfire Dwarf.
@@MTGMuddstah 3:49 he makes two treasures, not three; 8:16 he makes two treasures, not three (even though he spends one to bloodfire, he had metallic mimic, Magda, and Taurean). That would have been 5 treasures at that point (without casting bloodfire), to get another dragon/artifact pull. 9:04 Adam missed his attack from the Anger in his yard, but that's a missed play, not a missed trigger.
Scott, if you're out there, I want to thank you for inspiring me to make my own Maelstrom Wanderer Elfball edh deck awhile back. It's easily my favorite deck and the one I feel i pilot best. Thanks again!
Always enjoy the gameplay, but maybe add subtitles when players are talking to other players. Personally I couldn't quite make out what Adam's questions were, so maybe some brief subtitles on screen would help 😁
This is a good lesson on (almost) always taking the kills when you have them. If Adam would have killed Scott instead of slamming into muddstah on the turn he also killed Omar, he would have won that game easy. If you give players an inch, they'll take it and run a mile. Take your kills when you can, you might not get another opportunity.
Sometimes it’s okay to make a sub-optimal play in the extremely janky casual format. I get enough of that in standard. EDH is about hanging with friends.
@@zacheryredden5417 I agree that it's perfectly okay to make whatever play you want to make. But this statement I hear many people make, that EDH is purely about janky casual fun, just isn't true. There are many of us who don't play cEDH but also like playing the game to win. That IS part of the fun. Trying to navigate the game in the most strategically optimal way is immensely satisfying for many of us as well.
For what it's worth here was my line of thinking (and of course hindsight is 20/20). Scott effectively would untap with 4 mana and a commander who costs 10. We've played enough games together where this can leave him dead in the water so I gambled on this to start chipping away at others. Omar got the brunt of the attacks because he'd seen a lot of cards from his library and there are combos in his deck I have no answer for, so player removal is the next option.
I built Orvar because of your first gameplay video with him. Been waiting for your deck to go off with him in these games :). He is a very fun commander to run.
Is it just me, or did Mistform Ultimus curse you for daring to replace him with Orvar? The deck seems to be underperforming ever since Ultimus retired. :/
@@MTGMuddstah I just looked at your list... you split the deck between spells dedicated to Orvar's copy effect and creatures dedicated to the tribal theme, and this is apparently causing the deck to underperform on both ends. So yes, you should really pick one strategy and commit to it.
hi Muddstah, i have a question, Can you produce mana in EDH other than your commanders identity? for example, i play a oloro deck and may opponent a kruphyx deck, he plays Hive Mind, then plays a Summoner Pact. i have a chromatic lantern and i tried to pay the Pact cost and my opponent says i cannot pay the summoner cost.
Yes, you can add mana of any color to your mana pool with cards like darksteel ingot. Maybe your opponent plays edh a long time because this rule changed with the release of i think battle for zendikar block (where the change in magic with colorless mana was introduced and we got our eleventth basic land). before that change it worked like he said.
I'm not sure what other options he had in his deck, but I feel like Adam pulled the trigger on that last Magda activation too early, resulting in him not having any answers to Scott's board.
I don't run any of the ETB-deal-damage dragons, so nuking the Cradle felt correct. Letting a swarm-style deck untap a Cradle and a Nykthos is generally a bad idea.
Greetings from Germany! We launched our Commander podcast on UA-cam today, and this seems like a good occasion to tell you that you are one of the coolest EDH youtube content creators out there! Cheers!
@@MTGMuddstah whaaat really?? that's so cool! Oh man it is always so hard to know wether to tweet in German or English, I had no idea our tweets travel that far lol
Was there a reason you didn't use the Swarmyard to save Orvar from the Balefire Dragon? I took him for a spin for the first time the other night and Swarmyard saved my bacon so many times.
i'm sorry, but when i see Maelstrom Wanderer i expect the deck to literally be 97 lands, Kiki Jiki, and any of 3 easy to acquire other creatures that combo with Kiki jiki. It's super reliant on opponents not having counterspells, and by the way, you can run less lands and run things like those fun high CMC eldrazi and other 8+ CMC creatures and cards so everyone's held up that mana to counter you Kiki Jiki but now they have to contend with the ceasless hunger. Just don't forget to run the 3 peat lands that can tap for 2 mana using depletion counters.
My wife says that you should read sleep stories, she thinks you’ll make more money. When ever she can’t sleep I’ll watch one of your games and it puts her to sleep.
So I can't be the only person who's been kinda disappointed with Orvar right? Like yes his ability to copy things is good but I can almost never seem to get there with him, it kinda just spins it's wheels and then kinda just flounders, good to see him get a win through a cheeky cryptic though
@@robertmendez8383 little bit of both, mana is never the problem because of his ability to copy mana rocks/lands, but if your doing that you don't have enough steam when you finally hit a creature you want to copy, but yeah, some tables just kill him on sight because he can do scary things if the draws ever line up
I'm also sure that there should be some form of optimum amount of cheap spells to copy stuff and payoffs that I haven't quite reached with the deck yet
Whats the curve look like on your Orvar deck? I like the deck (especially the commander) but I hardly ever see you do anything turn 1-3. I see you really only have like... 4ish ramp pieces in the deck. Really should be closer to 7-9. I get that your spells can duplicate your lands, but you need Orvar out to do it and the first couple turns are where ramp really matters. My friend has an Orvar deck thats really nasty, but he consistently gets him out on turn 2-3 (hell, he's done it on turn 1) but he also runs Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus since having Orvar out is integral to the decks function. With only 35 lands in yours, I'd up the rock count because everytime I watch you play the deck, it seems to lag behind everyone else really early and sometimes pull a win later in the game if people keep hitting each other instead of you.
Adam should of won that On turn 6 Unless infinite combos aren't allowed Instead of Balefire dragon search clock of omens then could have created infinite treasure and pretty much win after that
I dislike Necropotence in life-gain decks. In my experience, it makes you too flippant and casual about over-spending life and relying on luck to get the card quality before seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I love the card. It just leads to too greedy play patterns in life gain decks.
Why the focus on Licia? I don't get it. Every single game that she appears on in your channel has her being focused but she's never won once. It seems like a grudge or spite plays.
Magda player shouldn't waste his tutors on stuff thats not impactful. If im unsure i always choice tangle wire or winter orb instead of combo. One piece removal? Ugh o also add stuff like fury and other free red stuff and goblins.. My magda is solid turn 4/5
@@oldbordergeek Right, but my comment was more directed to you saying that he "wasted" his tutors. Not everyone HAS to play Winter Orb or enjoy doing so.
@@MTGMuddstah Oh thats fair but cedh is very competitive and i wish the dwarfs a better fate. I play magda and it is undervalued. My advice is only tutor for something that screwes everyone assymatrical in your advantage or for your wincon. Treasures should only be used to tutor these Or replay magda. This i found out after extensive testing ;)
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That music choice mixed with your suave voice made it so fancy that I ended up with a regency outfit.
or a nap
god bless one of the only commander shows that actually has a nice mix of different decks. I haven't seen almost anything for licia and I love her
Same, always wanted to build her but didn't. Shane we didn't see much since the guy playing got stupidly greedy lol
When I was first getting into commander I saw a temmet deck featured on here and it really struck me as fun. Ended up building one for myself. Definitely wouldn't have otherwise
Always love to see Licia in a game, she’s one of my favorite “underrated” commanders
It's shame dude was a little baked with the necropotence
Adam forgot about Anger in their graveyard on turn 7 which would have let them attack at Scott and make enough treasures to activate the Aggravated Assault and take out Scott
Yeah I was going to say this.
Also went looking for this
Adam missed adding treasures for his second attack off of aggrevated, and it would have been enough to fire it again. Overall, he was at least 5 treasures light by the end of the game.
Edit* by my recount, light by 3, but also missed an attack that could have led to an additional 3, and likely the game.
thats what i though, that could be a game ending. and the other missplay was targeting gaeas craddle, he should wait till scott play something to activate magda.
In addition he could've gotten Goldspan Dragon instead of Balefire Dragon and with 3 dwarfs in play that would make infinite combats. While netting a treasure every other combat. I also think he forgot about Anger in his graveyard as he didn't attack after rebuilding his board which was even less treasures for the following turns.
Edit: it wouldn't have given him the extra treasure as he wouldn't have been able to float the mana through steps and phases but he did have the 4th Dwarf in hand which then would've worked.
Can you timestamp when he missed them? We were (we thought) pretty on top of those gains. You can at 8:18 after the second combat step the number went up again. It shows 2, but it was 3, as he used one for the Bloodfire Dwarf.
@@MTGMuddstah 3:49 he makes two treasures, not three;
8:16 he makes two treasures, not three (even though he spends one to bloodfire, he had metallic mimic, Magda, and Taurean). That would have been 5 treasures at that point (without casting bloodfire), to get another dragon/artifact pull.
9:04 Adam missed his attack from the Anger in his yard, but that's a missed play, not a missed trigger.
@@romeesio Dang my bad. I hadn't played that deck in ~5 months (or any mtg for that matter) so brain was definitely a little rusty!
I see those Misty Mountains in the Dwarf deck Adam, you genius. Amazing.
Great stuff as usual Muddstah! Always enjoy the content.
😘
Scott, if you're out there, I want to thank you for inspiring me to make my own Maelstrom Wanderer Elfball edh deck awhile back. It's easily my favorite deck and the one I feel i pilot best. Thanks again!
Omar inspired me to build my Licia deck, which has become one of my favorites!
Always enjoy the gameplay, but maybe add subtitles when players are talking to other players. Personally I couldn't quite make out what Adam's questions were, so maybe some brief subtitles on screen would help 😁
This is a good lesson on (almost) always taking the kills when you have them. If Adam would have killed Scott instead of slamming into muddstah on the turn he also killed Omar, he would have won that game easy. If you give players an inch, they'll take it and run a mile. Take your kills when you can, you might not get another opportunity.
This 100%
Sometimes it’s okay to make a sub-optimal play in the extremely janky casual format. I get enough of that in standard. EDH is about hanging with friends.
@@zacheryredden5417 I agree that it's perfectly okay to make whatever play you want to make. But this statement I hear many people make, that EDH is purely about janky casual fun, just isn't true.
There are many of us who don't play cEDH but also like playing the game to win. That IS part of the fun. Trying to navigate the game in the most strategically optimal way is immensely satisfying for many of us as well.
For what it's worth here was my line of thinking (and of course hindsight is 20/20). Scott effectively would untap with 4 mana and a commander who costs 10. We've played enough games together where this can leave him dead in the water so I gambled on this to start chipping away at others. Omar got the brunt of the attacks because he'd seen a lot of cards from his library and there are combos in his deck I have no answer for, so player removal is the next option.
@@adameister5883 yeah I dig that man hahah. He did seem pretty spent on resources. Great game though! And hindsight is always 20/20 😅
That was the best Cryptic Command I've ever seen
What a great game! Love the diversity of decks
I hear Punt Squad and expected Tomer to be in it. Sadly I was wrong, but it was still a good game.
YES! love seeing Magda in action. One of my favorite personal decks
Today playing with friends, I had my Adrix & Nev deck out and won with my 48 48/48 biowaste oozes. Feels good fam.
Magda is my single favorite card this year.
I built Orvar because of your first gameplay video with him. Been waiting for your deck to go off with him in these games :). He is a very fun commander to run.
I really like treasure commanders like Magda, Prosper, or even Korvold if you build him that way
Great game! Magda was amazing! So sad when it was taken out!
Does anyone else just watch for the ovar deck
Yeah pretty much, I think Orvar is currently the most interesting mono blue commander.
I hope Andrew gets a win with him soon
1000%
Orvar's my favourite
More Magda on camera, please!
Btw Muddstah I’m amazed by Alter Sleeves, they really look great. I spend hours looking at the website and picking sleeves
Such a good game! I didn't expect your win at all
Hey @Adameister, you had Anger in this version of the deck but I don’t see it in your deck list. Is the one on the site up to date?
Moxfield version is what I currently have sleeved, it's 99% the same deck.
Magda was awesome! More please.
We got a few games in that table, so fingers crossed she makes a second appearance!
5:58 normally double ramp for 1 mana would be an amazing play but it's unfortunately immediately following an explosive turn by MW
Is it just me, or did Mistform Ultimus curse you for daring to replace him with Orvar? The deck seems to be underperforming ever since Ultimus retired. :/
It did. I'm going to try and appease it by building Orvar into a separate deck.
@@MTGMuddstah I'm glad my Karador hasn't cursed me for replacing him with Tymna & Gilanra.
@@MTGMuddstah I just looked at your list... you split the deck between spells dedicated to Orvar's copy effect and creatures dedicated to the tribal theme, and this is apparently causing the deck to underperform on both ends. So yes, you should really pick one strategy and commit to it.
@@DarkEinherjar That would do it. It always has a poor showing and seems to need a helping hand.
That cryptic command kill was hilarious
I really like your play group, it seems a lot less cut throat than most groups out there.
Are you still planning to release the back up commanders for the precons
8:13 could you have tapped your swarmyard to save your Orvar ?
Great video! I noticed that in the intro you say that you get 5% off Original Magic Art orders, but in the screen it says 10%.
My brain can't handle the music going slow xD I can't even concentrate on the game cause I'm so used to the normal beat LOL
hi Muddstah, i have a question, Can you produce mana in EDH other than your commanders identity? for example, i play a oloro deck and may opponent a kruphyx deck, he plays Hive Mind, then plays a Summoner Pact. i have a chromatic lantern and i tried to pay the Pact cost and my opponent says i cannot pay the summoner cost.
Yes, you can add mana of any color to your mana pool with cards like darksteel ingot. Maybe your opponent plays edh a long time because this rule changed with the release of i think battle for zendikar block (where the change in magic with colorless mana was introduced and we got our eleventth basic land). before that change it worked like he said.
Glad to see orvar finally catch a break
Great passive win there
3:18 how many times did you have to practice saying that line? =)
Got it in one!
9:20 tishana should have drawn 2 instead of 1 as she counts herself and the other creature
I'm not sure what other options he had in his deck, but I feel like Adam pulled the trigger on that last Magda activation too early, resulting in him not having any answers to Scott's board.
I don't run any of the ETB-deal-damage dragons, so nuking the Cradle felt correct. Letting a swarm-style deck untap a Cradle and a Nykthos is generally a bad idea.
Greetings from Germany! We launched our Commander podcast on UA-cam today, and this seems like a good occasion to tell you that you are one of the coolest EDH youtube content creators out there! Cheers!
I saw your Tweet! Thank you
@@MTGMuddstah whaaat really?? that's so cool! Oh man it is always so hard to know wether to tweet in German or English, I had no idea our tweets travel that far lol
That Magda deck is sweet, but love tapping all my opponents' creatures to win on the crackback. Gg wp
WOW thats a sneaky win GG
I can’t lie Scott has a dope ass signature deck
I believe it's completely signed at this point
@@MTGMuddstah yea that’s insanely impressive lol
Lol Scott played a Ghalta deck with a temur commander.
May I ask, what's that playmat that Scott's using? I'm diggin the art 😍😍😍
It’s a Kickstarter playmat design by the Spike Feeders
@@aintenoughroomforthetwoofus Thanks a lot for the info!!!
Was there a reason you didn't use the Swarmyard to save Orvar from the Balefire Dragon? I took him for a spin for the first time the other night and Swarmyard saved my bacon so many times.
because I'm dumb
God I love Magda....such a fun and powerful deck
Couldn adam get goldspan dragon and go infite with magda?
If I was a smarter person, absolutely.
why did you wizard cycle for master of waves ?? didnt make any sense while watching the current and evolving board state at the time.
i'm sorry, but when i see Maelstrom Wanderer i expect the deck to literally be 97 lands, Kiki Jiki, and any of 3 easy to acquire other creatures that combo with Kiki jiki. It's super reliant on opponents not having counterspells, and by the way, you can run less lands and run things like those fun high CMC eldrazi and other 8+ CMC creatures and cards so everyone's held up that mana to counter you Kiki Jiki but now they have to contend with the ceasless hunger. Just don't forget to run the 3 peat lands that can tap for 2 mana using depletion counters.
Oh yeah, this was a GG guys. Nail bitter 'till the end.
It kind of drives me crazy when people don't pay for Smothering Tithe and then don't use the mana lol I mean I'll be ok, but...twitch twitch
Killer match!!!
What did Adam ask, I couldn't hear him
He asked me if I played any good cards in my deck.
What a save!
Sword of the Ani-mist
My wife says that you should read sleep stories, she thinks you’ll make more money. When ever she can’t sleep I’ll watch one of your games and it puts her to sleep.
So I can't be the only person who's been kinda disappointed with Orvar right? Like yes his ability to copy things is good but I can almost never seem to get there with him, it kinda just spins it's wheels and then kinda just flounders, good to see him get a win through a cheeky cryptic though
@@robertmendez8383 little bit of both, mana is never the problem because of his ability to copy mana rocks/lands, but if your doing that you don't have enough steam when you finally hit a creature you want to copy, but yeah, some tables just kill him on sight because he can do scary things if the draws ever line up
I'm also sure that there should be some form of optimum amount of cheap spells to copy stuff and payoffs that I haven't quite reached with the deck yet
@@robertmendez8383 Ye Scepter is sweet, and maybe that is kinda the right way to do it, build it more aggressive
What was the question? "Did you cut anything from that deck?"
Whats the curve look like on your Orvar deck? I like the deck (especially the commander) but I hardly ever see you do anything turn 1-3. I see you really only have like... 4ish ramp pieces in the deck. Really should be closer to 7-9. I get that your spells can duplicate your lands, but you need Orvar out to do it and the first couple turns are where ramp really matters.
My friend has an Orvar deck thats really nasty, but he consistently gets him out on turn 2-3 (hell, he's done it on turn 1) but he also runs Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus since having Orvar out is integral to the decks function. With only 35 lands in yours, I'd up the rock count because everytime I watch you play the deck, it seems to lag behind everyone else really early and sometimes pull a win later in the game if people keep hitting each other instead of you.
What a game!
Tell Scott to update his deck on uptap lol
So, having watched Scotts deck many times on this channel it is beyond me why you wouldn't have killed him as soon as you could. *shakes head*
Because he's a handsome fellow who's good at convincing us he isn't a threat until it's too late.
Taking out Licia instead of Maelstrom Wanderer? Can't relate :/
why did no one pay for tithe ? crazy.. all player had enough mana to do so..
That’s sad. If Adam was running clock of omens, he could of won off the first Magda search
pathbreaker 'e-beck'???
Adam should of won that
On turn 6
Unless infinite combos aren't allowed
Instead of Balefire dragon search clock of omens then could have created infinite treasure and pretty much win after that
I dislike Necropotence in life-gain decks. In my experience, it makes you too flippant and casual about over-spending life and relying on luck to get the card quality before seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I love the card. It just leads to too greedy play patterns in life gain decks.
They cryptic command
The more i hear "gob", the more sexual it gets
Man omar got greedy lol
DID SOMEONE SAY SIGNED CARDS
Not first but still early
@mtgmuddstah put in a mask wood nexus
Magda could’ve used one too! Lol
@@jeffnorris211 that's what I meant, he was talking about brewing one. My magda deck is fun.
Magda is the new hero of my prosper tome bound deck!
Why the focus on Licia? I don't get it. Every single game that she appears on in your channel has her being focused but she's never won once. It seems like a grudge or spite plays.
First
omar`s licia decks is akward :(
Second
Magda player shouldn't waste his tutors on stuff thats not impactful. If im unsure i always choice tangle wire or winter orb instead of combo. One piece removal? Ugh o also add stuff like fury and other free red stuff and goblins.. My magda is solid turn 4/5
I mean, that's cool if your meta enjoys playing that way, but not everyone does?
Why not? Your game has early combos so anything goes right?
@@oldbordergeek Right, but my comment was more directed to you saying that he "wasted" his tutors. Not everyone HAS to play Winter Orb or enjoy doing so.
@@MTGMuddstah Oh thats fair but cedh is very competitive and i wish the dwarfs a better fate. I play magda and it is undervalued. My advice is only tutor for something that screwes everyone assymatrical in your advantage or for your wincon. Treasures should only be used to tutor these Or replay magda. This i found out after extensive testing ;)
I dislike the way he pronounces Ibex