All My Coins Labeled Cleaned Or Damaged By PCGS
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So you don't use assitone on copper coins? Only silver? Sorry I can't spell
Does anyone know what the qualifications are of the coin graders? What is it that makes the coin graders professionals in accurately grading coins and currency?
Restoration, dipping, cleaning? Our Number One Grading Company will happily do all of this for you at the right price which, in itself, raises many questions in my mind about the integrity of the grading industry.
Great point.
If a coin has something unnatural on the surface and it can be removed without harming the struck surface, as from the mint, then it should be restored by removing said "unnatural", that is all professionals do. It's not the same as cleaning the original struck surface off a coin or causing a rub that breaks the plain of the original surface.
@CoinHELPu I think you may have covered it before. I'm not sure of how in depth but would be great to see a video covering the cleaning process or restoration process from the grading companies.
I wonder if a coin is restored to its natural beauty how it compares to one that is original and taken care of over these decades when it comes to selling. I would think a restored coin would be less. Would love a video on it as well.
Restoration is fixing...do PCGS state the coin is restored? If not then how come if PCGS clean a coin they don't mark it cleaned,? If you send in a cleaned coin and pay for restoration do they mark it cleaned still? Like you said, it all smells a bit whiffy to me.
Over the years, I have added a lot of beautiful coins to my collection. None of them have been certified by any grading service because I refuse to pay the premium to have them "blessed" as being a certain grade. That's allowed me to buy a lot more coins than I would have otherwise. Some of them are in XF condition but are just as stunning to look at as my BU coins because of their toning. Yes, the XF coins have more "wear," but to me they are gorgeous! - Great video Daniel.
I quit PCGS when my last 2 submissions came back as cleaned and graded low, when they came straight out of a mint set and have never seen any chemicals. The tint usually comes from being dipped in Acetone.
Ahh yes. The misnomer of a coin being 'dipped' and as such 'cleaned' only applies if the 'dipper' or 'cleaner' was not a paid grading service. For that matter, the assignment of the term 'Cleaned' as a grade assignment is based, in some cases such as Daniels example, on an 'opinion' and 'opinions' are subject to many variables or which may or may not be true.
I have personally observed many high grade coins where, upon inspection, the only reasonable response amounts to "What were the graders thinking? Or NOT thinking?" But, I digress. I have personally been responded to my question on a low grade coin that the coin in question had a 'haze' which kept what I thought was an MS67/68 coin down to an MS-65+. Until, that is, the coin had been professionally 'cleaned'?
Essentially, coin grading is a roll of the dice where the dice is loaded with 'opinion'.
You should not be seeing a "tint" after dipping in acetone? Do you mean the haze you get from leaving a coin too long in an acid dip like E-Zest? Because if your acetone is leaving a haze, then it's contaminated. Never reuse acetone. Throw it out after every coin. You can get rid of the haze with more clean acetone.
Yea I’ve noticed that PCGS is strict. NGC not so much.
@@adamhuffman3354 Depends. I was just looking at an NGC graded MS-66 dollar that I felt was unjustly undergraded.
Shouldn't these grading companies justify their grade on the coin (or banknote)? In the last show I was at, a few of us (and the dealer) were staring at a note wondering "How the heck did they come up with that grade"? Maybe there's just a big dartboard in the office somewhere... 🤣
They should have a more transparent system. Probably some market manipulation happening.
Those are beautiful coins. The eagle on that last coin is stunning to see. Thank you for a good video. Appreciate you
I have to agree with you Daniel . When " grading coins " at PCGS/ NGC ect . just how much time is spent by the grader(s) ? Seems ta me they go over so many coins that NOW get a " high grade " MS70/ PR70 . I remember when they only gave these grads out for a very few ( Silver Eagles ) out of a full box (500) only a few had PR/ MS 70 grades . 5/6 % . the rest were " 69s ). I just don't know why , when now this is not the case . For most any grade . Thanks fer yer videos , keeping us informed . Tom Daytona Beach , FL 9, Mat 2024 .
Maybe PCGS is trying to raise their standards to compete with the new company? Thanks for sharing, Daniel. 👍
I was wondering the same......has the "CAC effect" altered the standards at PCGS & NGC? 🤔
Thanks for sharing these beautiful coins. The quality of a coin is in the eye of the beholder and these are coins that i believe would add incredible examples to someones collection.
Morning my friend. Having coffee and getting education.
Me too, thanks for watching!
I was a newbie to coin grading back in 2020 from coins I collected with my Grandmother 45+ years prior. I sent a Trade Dollar in that came back details env damage and about 2 years later sent back (in the holder) for restoration services. It came back with details cleaned and didn't look like PCGS did anything. LOL actually looks like it had/has tape on the surface - bet Daniel could have made it look nice. Thanks for the education.
First go around was labeled Genuine Env Damage-XF Detail after sent back to PCGS in the holder with restoration submission it came back Genuine 92 Cleaned-XF Detail the sad or funny part is a professional coin photographer friend of mine saw no difference in the raw, first submission, and restoration submission. I was disappointed in PCGS.
Wow, what nice coins. Coins get to be so old, go through so many hands. Untouched gets harder and harder to keep. ❤❤
@coinhelpu FYI, I think if a coin is restorable they will include a note on the slab. I recently tried to grade a coin with PVC (I didn't know it) and it came back with a label that recommended restoration. I'd think they would have done this with yours too.
No, they only do that sometimes and for PVC. Often they just body bag PVC coins.
I agree. Nice looking coins for sure.
In my opinion that Seated Liberty quarter is undergraded. The coin's details are much sharper than an EF.
Capped bust half submission about a year ago. 6 out of 8 straight grade. This year’s capped bust submission. 2 out of 8 straight grade. I think new CAC grades have migrated others to grade tougher.
Hum…
They should have explained to you why they make that judgement. Seems silly for them not to.
On the 1857 flying eagle there appears to be a cleaned spot between the "57" and bottom of the eagle. Looks like maybe a wipe from a Q-tip t remove a spot. At the 3:43 mark in the video you can see it pretty good.
That's a non toning streak not a cleaned spot, the uneven toning is what gave this coin the details grade.
What do they think you used? What would you use....they do go ms something?
Nice coins
Beautiful 3C nickel.
Seems like there's so many videos with people not agreeing with how these grading companies grade or judge coins. I mean we all agree it is subjective in the first place, so I asked what is the point of even giving these companies any power over what coins are graded what etc etc.. just a fact you can keep sending the same coin in and getting different grades depending on who or what day in mood the so-called Professional Coin grader is in. It's subjective it really seems like a scam in its own way
I am only showing a small part of what I send off for grading, I agree with most of the grades I get. So that is what you're seeing online, either the bad apple grading or someone who's not good at grading getting worse grades than they hoped.
The quarter may be victim of an eraser
Nice couns Daniel. Hard to see PCGS problems with these coins ? In your hands i trust your opinion/grading. If you sent to be restored, would that be noted on the slab when you got back from PCGS? I.E. - 1858 1c XF Restored. ??
I think that 3 cent piece is beautiful.
I think you're correct.
On the flying eagle right behind the tail bottom
What grade is UNC detail, I was watching another video NGC,PCGS and annex went back to grading coins like they did in the 1980's. To tough grading standards. I think they should stick to an universal grading standards for all coins.
Sending them to PCGS was a mistake. The fact the original old guys that know how to grade are all retired or have passed on PCGS has hired nothing but young guys that don’t know enough about these old coins. Hell there is even a photo of some of the new kids/graders online eating Cheetos in the PCGS facility. I would imagine somebody is gonna get some Cheetos cheese in their PCGS slab!
That flying eagle was nice! Maybe (I’m only guessing) that the brief dip caused some color to fade away and look a little unnatural in the toning which caused the cleaned designation?
I think so.
I couldn’t see luster on any of those coins.
I believe pcgs might be getting irritated, because people are running to anacs! Just a thought
I used to be a gold polisher at a factory i may think of mi experience as a polisher that maybe i dont know were you get those coins from but they are too old coins to look like that this coins if previusly were circulated and not kept by a grandpha colectors somewere they been polished some how by an expert
Have 3 different people send the 25 cent in 3 different times and see if the grades are different nice coin.
It doesn't matter who sends the coins, the graders don't know who you are.
I know sometimes we bad mouth TPG'ers but think about how many problem coins were sold back in the day without them. now I know why old-time dealers don't like TPG'ers because they could sell problem coins to unsuspecting clients based on their grading. thankfully those days are pretty much gone.
I love the grading services but I love my wife too, doesn't mean I can't disagree with them or argue they're wrong.
Maybe it was the vouchers that you used so they decided to mis-grade some of those..
And yeah!
They DO mis-grade coins!
Doesn't matter if they are pcgs!
On the first 1857 Flying Eagle, is there maybe an eraser mark between the talons and the date? It kinda looks that way on camera.
No, just a discoloration.
That looks excellent. Nice coins cool looking selection. I have never seen those before. Pretty interesting on some coins you show. Thanks Daniel for the video.
I don’t think I will ever purchase another raw 3 cent ever again. I can’t tell if this 1866 I have is a 58 or a 63. I also haven’t seen enough to know. The strike is good but the luster seems to be lacking a bit. Sorry, I’m just rambling, maybe I should take some pictures and send to coin help me. Thanks Daniel.
Nickel is a difficult metal to get good lustre on and is notorious for weak strikes. If you post good photos to the forum we can estimate the grade, but that's it. Just a guess. There's no way we can say 100% "yep, that's a 63 for sure." Often you'll see nickels that have almost no lustre in mint state. They're tough coins to grade so the confusion is completely normal.
So if you pay the grading company to " restore " a coin then it is not cleaned ? Kind of "pay us to clean and then it's not cleaned" ? It's a joke ! In a way they are controlling the coin market because they get to pick the winners and losers. Like anything from cars to cameras. A cleaned or completely restored item is taken at face value. Does it look nice or not? Who in their right mind thinks that a 150 year old coin never got wet or was never wiped off with a cloth?
I simply ask that coins get graded based on appearance and not a guess as to whether a coin has been cleaned or not because we all know now that a whole heck of a lot of clean coins get graded. The coin graders have been tested and they have FAILED. As always, great videos!
No, that's not how it works. Coins can be cleaned, using certain methods and knowing which coins will benefit or can be restored, without harshly cleaning by removing the original striking layer.
@@CoinHELPu Sounds great if they were right all the time, but they are not. You and many other great UA-camrs have featured videos showing grading screw ups. Those videos have taken away most all of my confidence in ever paying to have a coin graded unless it’s something really special.
Pcgs puts cleaned on EVERYTHING !! 👹👹👹
No, they do not. I send multiple submissions to them every year. I was just throwing spaghetti on the wall with these coins, just to see if something stuck.
i'm critical in grading, in my opinion, 90% of what i see seems overgraded, just the opposite here though ,and extra fine ,cmon, . have you thought about sending a couple somewhere else for a comparison ? that would be interesting.
Personally, I don't submit anything if something about a coin bothers me as a collector or cannot be rectified with conservation. I do very well with it. I particularly like the new approach of CACG to act fully in the interests of all collectors and to brand the coins if there is even the slightest suspicion that something is wrong with the coin, instead of looking for explanations as to why this coin should have been graded this way or that. We should work on our own ego, that we don't want to have our wishes and primary ideas fulfilled, but submit something that 100 out of 100 collectors would agree with.
This isn’t about ego, problem comes coins sell better in a holder with a net grade. Also, no such thing as a 100% agreement on any coin, that is why grading companies are 80% consistent at best. CAC isn’t all that either.
I just placed an order a few seconds ago. Thank you.
Can they do anything about corrosion?
Nope
Morning Daniel. All coins I’d love to have in my collection regardless of issues
They must save a lot of time and money on grading coins by calling stuff cleaned. I paid you to grade it. If it's cleaned, label it cleaned, but give me the number grade that I paid for. Not all unc details are the same. So why do they label them all the same? Saves time and money. All I can think of.
ANACS, the "budget brand" grades them just fine and gives numerical grades for details coins. I swear if they just changed up their holders to something more professional looking, and then did one of these goofy registry set things that's just basically pokemon-go for baby boomers... they'd be a top competitor. People love a nice gimmick, and ANACS doesn't really have any. Their "gimmick" is certifying more varieties and helping you get accurate grades for the lowest price possible with their promotional offers at shows and whatnot. Who wants that when you can have a virtual sticky star badge on the PCGS app that reminds you how obedient of a consumer you've been to them. That's value for money if you ask me. 😂
😂😂😂 True
I like the anacs holder because I can see them from above when they are in a case.
@@rodbender6184 Yeah, it's a smart design feature. Although the Ikea colour scheme needs to go. That's my main gripe, and then the trivial one is theor cores. I like the NGC style the best. CAC and PCGS are #2 for that. Just my opinion. I know lots of people like the ANACS holder, but the colour scheme is what I hear the most complaints on.
Agree, just grade it! It’s what we pay for. 🙄 And if it’s labeled as cleaned then the grader must give explanation not opinion. 🙄
@@jimmywayne623 YES! Elaborate! Tell us why you believe it's cleaned.
Is it possible they may have done better if submitted with flawless coins, one-by-one? Don't know how it works at PCGS, but maybe the grader got on a roll after seeing a few cleaned coins in this lot(?).
That's not how it works, you can't fool the graders with tricks.
Thanks Daniel. Those are really beautiful coins. You know more light years more then I do on cleaning so I take your word and see what your saying but dang...so close to getting a grade. For the quarter, I see luster on it and IMO, not smoothed.
That flying eagle is stunning.
I've noticed lately with both NGC and PCGS that their being more aggressive on grading coins,may since CAC started slabing coins might have something to do with it,but I really don't know.
I haven't, they seem the same to me. I was just trying my chances with these coins. I will do conservation next.
Sounds good,keep up with the great information.
It's a shame that everyone puts such a value on these grading companies. Your coins are very beautiful but lose value because they are labeled as cleaned.
Plane wrong on the corner
Hello friend,i have some old coin Philippines and US coins ,and from other country ii have 1903 ten centavo 1904 1907 quarter dollar
Have no interest in slabbed coins. I figure I can grade as well as the next guy on coins I'm buying. Collector has to know what he's looking at. Lots of high grade 64-65 look absolutely terrible anyway, spots, streaks etc. Rather have a raw high end problem free AU or a nice brown Unc.
Good morning Daniel
it was going to happen sooner or later these grading companies are going to start doing some CAC crap, it's all CAC's fault 😂
What is difference if you pay them to clean Or you clean. Cause didn't pay them to clean You get thumbs down. Should be able to clean your coins to show their beauty Not pay them to do so
Have they reached out to you at all about the grades. I know I've gotten through once on the phone and I shit you not a woman told me there was one grader, and he used just one light in the grading process. Maybe you got lucky and some of the new staff, got the privilege of grading your set. Lol. I feel your pain. That's an injustice, It's time for NGC to step in and put them in their place.
They don't reach out to you about grades, that's not why I did this video, I am just sharing my coins and talking about them.
Good Morning Daniel. I am still waiting for you to put up some flying cent and Indian Head cent. I bid on a couple but was outbid. I will call you next week after I get paid.
I did put up Flying Eagles yesterday, I don't know how many sold but they where up on the site.
ALL of those coins look very nice! the last one is at least AU details.
From what I saw from your footage the first two appear to maybe have spots on the reverse that was tampered with and the third the obverse as well, but the forth coin I have no idea. Just an opinion which means nothing, just saying.
There's no tamper spots on these coins.
@@CoinHELPu Okay my bad. Regardless that 3c nickel is an awesome coin.
I'm sick
The first two coins were beautiful.
Getting coins is not only very expensive....you can't trust them either !!! Waste of money
I like the 3 cent nickel. The die clash just adds interest to the coin.
I already have a nice one from you with a straight grade. Otherwise, I'd put it in my set.
Good morning Daniel. I in MD have cent 1944 D , 1957 . $1 -2000 gold .
In front of the nose
May have gotten those grades because you used vouchers instead of paying for them ….. but they are beautiful coins thank you for sharing
That’s not how it works.
No, doesn't look cleaned, but is a very nice coin
Maybe I didn't clean it properly. Dan, You clean more coins then my house cleaner cleans houses. I'd never buy a coin from you lol You always talk about how you clean coins. And you always get screwed on your buys. lol
Seems like pcgs is trying to be strict like cac which might ruin the hobby
No, I knew these would more than likely get this designation. Just hopeful thinking on my part.
You should send the quarter eagle to CAC and have them grade it. I think that PCGS dropped the ball on that coin. The details are striking. It might be worth a second opinion.
That wasn't mint luster on the 25 cent piece.
Yes it was, you don’t get that kind of luster from smoothing a coin. I should know, I know plenty of coin doctors and their techniques.
Look in the left field next to liberty. There's lustre that's very visible.
There always will be an extremely high probability, backed up by decades of visual proof and affirmation, that a patina/halo develops on copper/brass coins from the oils in human hands/fingers. That achievement is not "cleaning" and TPGC 'graders' know this to be fact, yet unabashedly ascribe "cleaned" on a whim, like declaring the deepest depth of a lake by only focusing on its surface.
Maybe these grading companies have changed their hiring practices like the government..dunno. It is frustrating though.
Hi Daniel, can you tell me why suddenly junk silver is being called constitutional silver? Been collecting for over 60 years and never heard this term before. Id is some sort of MAGA terminology?
Because it's the money as described in our Constitution, read this deanclancy.com/the-constitutions-seven-money-clauses/
Crack out and send to NGC. Make for a good video.
My opinion on PCGS is not good. I’ve seen a lot of frustration about coins that came back from them
this is why i don't grade my own coins i don't have the eye for it. i really don't envy the people that grade coins for a living
I'd lightly hand clean those flying eagles with baking soda IF they're worth less than $20. I don't have many coins I won't clean. Now I'm ready for the comments 😂
All you do is whine
And you act like you know everything about coins and nobody else does
PCGS is anal on grading. Nuts on toning and what they call artificial toning.