Are Tears of the Kingdom's Dungeons BAD? (Legend of Zelda)
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Are you in the camp that thinks that Tears of the Kingdom's Dungeons are BAD? Well I don't think they are at all, this video is my explanation as to why I don't think that dungeons in TOTK are bad at all, in fact I think a few of them are some of the best in the entire series... But there are a lot of reasons why you might like a dungeon, for it's theme, atmosphere, combat, puzzles, bosses, and all that other good stuff, so it's time to delve into my thoughts in each dungeon in Tears of the Kingdom... And why I believe they're WAY better than the divine beasts.
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Intro - 0:00
The Rito Dungeon - 0:57
The Goron Dungeon - 4:03
The Zora Dungeon - 6:23
The Gerudo Dungeon - 8:18
Conclusion/Overall Thoughts - 10:32
Outro - 11:46
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SPOILER WARNING:
I’ve seen so many people telling me that the spirit temple isn’t on this list and I “missed” it, I didn’t miss it, I just don’t wanna spoil anything for people, I know that if I hadn’t finished the game yet and I saw an additional chapter to the 4 dungeons that I already know of, I’d be pretty sad, I cater the videos to what I’d like to see without being spoilt at this stage
Now that we’re here though, I wouldn’t add much with it LOL, I thought it was fine, like a 6 or 7/10 given I liked the boss a lot and the individual puzzles were nice
The Lightning Temple was so good! And the entire Gerudo Town set up was scary and sad! It was my favorite part of the game
Same!
I find myself wanting to replay the Gerudo town battles most of everything in the game. I’m only on my second play-through, but already this time was 20x better than the first time! And the first time was extremely cool!
agree
Agreed.
The Wind Temple is definitely my favorite (and also the first one I completed)
The build up to it was just amazing
Disclaimer: TO EACH THEIR OWN
The dungeons (IMO) have a lot of good features but feel discombobulated. The re-used BotW mechanic of getting 4 or 5 unlocks, then getting the boss feels lame to me. I don't know why finding the boss key felt more epic, but it just did.
I agree that the temple puzzles felt like 2 shrines slapped together. Uninspired puzzles. Uninspired themes.
The only Temple that I felt came even close to living up to a legacy temple were the Wind Temple (mainly thanks to epic boss theme music that turned a fun boss fight into a very memorable event) and the Lightning Temple.
Sadly, there weren't enough such moments throughout all the temples.
Traditional tropes like map, compass, keys, boss key, unique toy, etc are deeply missed, but even all those things couldn't save these Temples. The complexity and imagination simply aren't there, sorry. 🤷♂️
Honestly, part of me feels that the classic Zelda dungeon is simply incompatible with this type of game. I mean, ascend alone makes it so that any previous dungeon would be completely invalidated as you could just constantly skip puzzles
I do not think we played the same classic zeldas. Old 3D dungeons were ripe with reuse of incredibly simple and generic puzzles, I can't even count how many times I have had to push a block onto a switch. Yeah they had some good puzzles but so does the breath era games, and the puzzle design in my opinion has overall gone up for dungeons. I'm not even going to get into eye Switch puzzles, only like ten percent of them were actually puzzles.
All in all, you can complain about totks puzzles lacking imagination, but in reality modern dungeon puzzles actually have more thought put into them on average.
@@saber7534 agree with this. Some people act that the dungeons were the highlight of the old zeldas when that should be regarded as opinion, not fact. Personally, they were the parts that made me yawn a lot. I looked forward to being back in the overworld more than I had to be in a dungeon which was why I loved wind waker more than OoT and TP.
repetitive@@gentlemanbronco3246 Sorry, but you could be more accepting to the viewpoints of others and dialogue. Not everything is objective.
(I personally love the TotK dungeons by itself, but find them very very repetitive. To me, each dungeon is kinda the same and think they lack variety here.
I liked the locked keys and doors design from the 2d games, but i really like the new design too. The divine beasts were a bit too small, but i like the temples just about as much as the old 2d dungeons
I would rank the dungeons in the exact same order. I think having midway points with a mini-boss would definitely improve things a bit. I also loved the linear beginning to the Lightning Temple!
Yeh, I think one thing that would’ve quelled a lot of issues for people is if (as an example) there was a mini-boss at the end of the linear section in the lightning temple
Thanks for watching dude!
The rising linear passage took me back to my earlier school days researching how Pyramids were actually designed. It actually felt like climbing one of the narrow shafts to a burial chamber before the dungeon opened up.
i mean they kinda did that but just did a pre dungeon mini boss for 3 of them.
my lovingly very negative take: In my opinion all of the dungeons feel way too small, at best slightly larger than the divine beasts, but in a lot of ways still feeling like a couple of shrine puzzles mashed together. I really do not like how its the same structure as finding the terminals, it struck as incredibly lazy and boring. I was hoping for dungeons at least twice as big as what we got. It's honestly amazing to me how small and recycled a lot of this feels given how long it took to develop.
The wind temple felt a lot like that as well as the water but I really liked the vibe of the fire and lightning temples and I thought the lightning temple felt pretty big
@@Octo5043 i definitely agree with you there, of the four those two had the most impact. Lightning was my favorite for this reason! Still pretty underwhelming though :(
I mean, the dungeons in TOTK are actually about the same length as the average 3D dungeon. Took a look at how long it took me to beat the last 3D dungeon I played and it took me about 45 minutes with factors such as hero mode and dying being taken into account. As for the puzzles, most of the puzzles in each dungeon revolve around mechanics specifically tuned for said dungeon, like say the icicles and boats with stormwind arc. If anything it's pushing the puzzle creativity above the standard, I wonder how many times the puzzle of bomb cracked wall or shoot eye switch was copied in traditional dungeons? Twilight Princess for example legitimately made switches which are just "use spinner here to activate something" and slapped in onto the game calling it a puzzle.
@@saber7534 4 totk dungeons that each took me about 20-30 minutes to complete. TP had what, 7 dungeons depending on how you count em? Closer to an hour to complete each one. I don't think the spinner is the greatest example because it's really more of a traversal item, and while I agree that the items in TP had limited use cases, they created more memorable and narratively impactful experiences than the open-ended "solve this however you want" approach in which every puzzle ends up being a little too easy because there are so many possible solutions. You're not gonna convince me that TOTK dungeons are on par with Twilight Princess lol but to each their own I guess. It's interesting you raised TP as the example, that is literally my favorite Zelda so of course I prefer those dungeons haha
@@saber7534 i respect your point of view though! and the individual puzzles aren't necessarily bad, to me the dungeons mostly just felt like divine beasts with unique paintjobs. The whole game really felt like a doubling down on some things that decidedly did not work in my opinion, rather than the return to form i was hoping for, or a true blending of the old and new Zelda formulas. The obsession with non-linearity is where TOTK loses me. I love all Zelda games and this is no exception, but it's definitely the most disappointing just because expectations were high and in my view, not met given the enormous development time.
I played and beat the Forest Temple the night before TOTK released. I liked TOTK dungeons, but when I look back at some of the highlights of OOT or Twilight Princess, they just don’t hold a candle imo. It seems to me that they see a near impossible standard to follow. Particularly OOT’s Forest Temple. The music, the feelings it evokes, the puzzles, and phantom Ganondorf are all great.
I think that’s fair, there’s a good chance, a very good one even, that I’m overrating these dungeons because they simply have a theme at all, the wind temple in particular had me tearing up at times so maybe I’m overrating that one, and the reason why they evokes emotion for me was because of the wait for the game I think
So there’s a good chance I’m being biased, though I think I’m rating these with the idea in mind that a 10/10 is a perfect dungeon in the divine beasts style
@@TriforceTrends Also fair! I love BOTW now, but my first play through, I didn’t care for it because of how lame I found the Divine Beasts to be. They have grown on me, but I will say that TOTK’s dungeons are still leagues better than the divine beasts!
@TriforceTrends Fair enough. These were definitely an improvement over BotW (what in this game isn't?). Especially the Wind Temple, which I did first. The boss fight and music were incredible.
That said, I agree with OP. Going back and playing the classics really makes you appreciate their temple design. OoT in particular was far more limited graphically, and they were blazing a trail for everyone to follow with future Zelda's. Yet this is the best they can muster in 2023?
Maybe they were too focused on the open aspect of these games? Or maybe they just wanted everything to be easier and shorter for the younger generations with internet shortened attention spans? Who knows.
There is a forest temple In this game?
@@Apotheosis0 No. I wish. 🥲
What I dislike about the dungeons is that aside from the boss, there's no surprises. You can see almost the whole thing from the entrance, and there's no variety in the aesthetic of the rooms like other Zeldas. They need to bring the linearity to the dungeons and save the openess for the rest of the game imo!
Unironically my favourite "dungeon" was the Hyrule Castle basement that gets left on the ground when the castle rises-- especially early game with bad gear.
I was hoping that getting to the Spirit Temple would be the build-up to getting into the dungeon, but no, instead we’re greeted with a boss fight.
Lmao yeh I feel that
I didn't bother me since you have to get the info in the floating ruin, follow an enigma in faron, follow the dragon in the sky islands, get the mask to the depths and build the golem with each factory being a bit more than a shrine. follow the equipment route to the temple, and finally beat the boss. Only compaint aboout it and some other temples is that they're open.
They were ok the wind temple was like a divine beast but I thought the goron and gerudo dungeons were cool
One thing I love about TotK’s dungeons is that they all seem “rank-able”, like divine beasts were “meh” enough that it didn’t matter but ranking these dungeons feels great
When people ask for old Zelda dungeons, we mean ACTUAL old Zelda dungeons, not basically retextured divine beasts ( I know it’s an exaggeration but the have the same terminal principle)
I think the main element what at least I miss in the TotK Dungeons is the puzzle box feeling the older games had. It is a little bit hard to describe, but the old dungeons felt like coherent structures you needed to unravel bit by bit. This came mostly because the were designed in a way that you found something in one part of the dungeon which you needed somewhere completly else. And thereby the game forced ou to make a mental map of what is where in the dungeon. In TotK everything is basically in arms reach of where you need it (even if you not "break" the puzzle), which generates the feeling that the dungeon is simply 4-5 puzzles distributed among a few rooms.
But i have to say its obviously a big improvement in comparision to BotW. But for the next Zelda i hope they put more ressources to the dungeons again. The open world is cool and I certainly do not want to miss certain elements such as Overworld bosses ever again ..... but i would happely trade the 150 shrines and lets say 20% of the overall world size for 8 proper dungeons in the world.....
Btw, the dungeon bosses are certainly back in a quality i like. Colgera and Queen Gibdo are one of my all time favourites especially with the music .....
I really enjoyed the Fire Temple because it really felt like a classic dungeon and it wasn't the easiest to get through. But I agree that the Lightning Temple was the best.
the fire temple is so shit you can skip every single puzzle by climbing
I mostly don't like how in many cases (looking at you, Water and half of Wind) you can just blindly follow a map to where you need to be. "Traditional" dungeon maps and compasses weren't nearly as generous, with dungeons designed to make you explore every nook and cranny with your own eyeballs, and often "big picture" challenges, not just isolated puzzles.
The other shortcoming of ToTK's dungeons is the lack of action-oriented challenges. Where are the cage fights? Where are the agility courses?
I just miss getting lost in Zelda dungeons. Being frustrated and almost rage-quitting, then I find the secret or path I was looking for and I feel great that I can continue on. I don't know if we'll see dungeons like that again unless we get some smaller top-down Zelda games in the future.
Yeh I could imagine 2d dungeons doing that… if they even come back
Great video man! Also, Tulin floating past at 7:47 had me busting up 😆
Tiny funny things like that make editing so much more fun LMAO
My personal ranking & score when comparing the dungeons to the rest of the series. For context, I would consider the Forest Temple, Stone Tower, and Snowpeak Ruins 10/10s.
Lightning Temple 7/10
Wind Temple 6/10
Fire Temple 5/10
Water Temple 3/10
I really liked wind. Lightning was good too. Had more gripes with Fire and Water but they had a few things I enjoyed about them. I think even if the dungeons had issues, I at least did like the quest leading up to them. Softened the blow a bit for me personally
I definitely think I agree, specially with the wind and water temples
I'm generally in the same camp as you are when it comes to the dungeon rankings, though I personally felt that the Wind Temple was a more enjoyable overall experience than the Lightning Temple, if only for the atmosphere and grand scale of the build-up to it making the final descent into the dungeon proper feel like a huge moment. That said, they all fall short for me in a couple of very crucial ways that contribute to TotK being just shy of a 10/10 game in my personal ranking.
The reuse of the terminals concept --- a result, I think, of absolute commitment to letting the player do almost anything in almost any order --- is a real miss for me: imo, a multi-stage puzzlebox is far more satisfying than a few short and more or less unrelated puzzles. It's sort of like being given spherified tomato-water caviar, Iberico ham, and spinach foam on a few tiny squares of brioche toast with aioli when you're really craving a good old-fashioned deli-style BLT sandwich: all the ingredients are there, sort of, and it might be delicious, but it doesn't really satisfy the craving. I really wish I could tell the dev team that sometimes a little forced linear progression in a dungeon is actually a good thing, since it can help contribute to a greater overall sense of achievement upon completion.
The fact that the primary source of combat in the dungeons was constructs, rather than region-specific and dungeon-specific enemies, was also a real let-down, as was the lack of region-specific enemy types outside of the Gerudo Desert in general. In that same vein, the lack of mini-bosses in the dungeons themselves --- as opposed to overworld dungeon minibosses like the Sludge Like and Moragia --- hurts the overall dungeon experience for me.
The Water Temple, especially, felt like a huge missed opportunity. With how much fun the low-gravity platforming is, I would have loved to have had a similar sort of build-up in the sky but longer and with more in the way of indoor areas to take advantage of things like jumping from wall to wall in order to ascend --- maybe with a huge tower ascending high into the heavens to make the experience feel majestic in the same way as the Wind Temple's lead-up does --- and having the Temple split between the sky area and an expansive, semi-underwater, puzzlebox style dungeon area underneath the Waterworks. I'd have loved ascending higher and higher, solving puzzles along the way, and defeating Mucktorok only to find out that it was just a mini-boss, that the true source of the sludge was elsewhere, and have the game essentially say "You thought that was the Water Temple? Nah, that was just the /entrance/ to the Water Temple."
I can definitely get behind the water temple take
Dag I really need to get a move on to finish this game already. Still it's cool to see the heads up for the 3 dungeons I haven't played yet. I appreciate the non-spoilery nature of the video in presenting just enough information on each dungeon without giving away too much of each place. I'm always more interested in the stories around the dungeons anyway than the actual place themselves.
Thanks for the video Trends!
Ay thanks dude, really trying not to spoil much in videos atm, got some cool stuff planned but none of it really contains spoilers
in comparison to other zelda dungeons throughout the series? yes, they are
I loved the Wind and Lightning temples. I definitely cheesed the Fire Temple by climbing but I've enjoyed all of the boss fights, they felt like classic Zelda dungeons without taking ages to complete to me.
My big criticism of all the dungeons (and you left out Hyrule Castle as a dungeon) are the instantly available maps, that also tell you precisely where to go. As you mentioned, there aren't a lot of difficult enemies and zero mini-bosses to overcome along the way to each marked target. So environmental puzzles are the only actual challenges - which will be cheesed immediately, or later, and forever. Being given the locations where to go for zero effort, and with little as far as obstacles in the way, makes for lackluster gameplay. I had fun, and I completed almost all the puzzles as intended. (I won't say I cheesed some in the Lightning temple, I probably did them a far harder way cause I missed some critical rooms to open). I agree with your rankings too. But the free maps, and as you said no keys, made for just under the amount of work that makes it worthwhile.
That said, yeah, Sidon's ability is garbage. The Water Temple should have been part of the Waterworks, and the boss should have been aquatic - IN the water. Sidon's ability should have granted super swimming...or maybe timed WALKING on water, or underwater swimming + attack, ya know, something very unexpected from BotW. Plus completing that Sage could have opened up a ton more areas to explore all over the map. Just like Tulin's ability lets you explore the Sky a bit more, and Yunobo lets you mine more, etc.
on my first playthrough i downright hated the water dungeon but when i replayed it i kinda liked it
if ur not sure if u like a dungeon consider replaying it
Yeh that’s very true, replays can help a lot
The fire temple definitely felt like the most traditional out of the dungeons in the game. Since it was the most linear where you slowly go up the place using the mine carts before descending to get the final gong.
The key for a zelda game to have good dungeons is variety in their structure. That's why I think the lightning temple sticks out for a lot of people, it starts linear and then opens out, where as the others are all very open from the start.
There are much more types of dungeons in the older zelda games that aren't get the 4 things to get to the boss. There's very linear dungeons eg shadow temple oot. As well as dungeons where you think of the dungeon as a whole complete eg ancient cistern, Oot water temple.
It would have been nice if for some of them if you got the ability halfway through the dungeon and if they had mini bosses. More random secrets to find would also help, most of the dungeons felt too short, except the fire temple, so they could have been a bit longer. Whilst the themes of the dungeons were decent, I still thought they lacked the personality and strength of the themes for the older dungeons the fire temple didn't feel like a city and the water temple didn't seem like anything. A good start tho.
I’m a new fan. I played Wind Waker first but found it impenetrable (too hard). BotW was the first Zelda game I liked (played over 1500 hrs). I went back and finished Link’s Awakening (pure pain), then tried Wind Waker again (failed) and Minish Cap (failed). Now this game, and I adore it.
I’m almost 50 and had no experience with puzzle games-minimal experience with games at all. I didn’t understand any of the tropes of gaming. For me the puzzles are very difficult, but made easier the closer they adhere to real physics. In the old games, the items and abilities feel arbitrary to me and I cannot guess. So I can get completely stymied by something like not realizing I can climb one particular type of wall when I’ve been unable to climb any others ever. And completing the old games with a guide is extremely unsatisfying. I also find the old bosses extremely difficult and demoralizing. Not seeing whether I am damaging them at all makes it so hard to know what is working. Sometimes I can’t even tell if the phase is changing, and at first, I didn’t know bosses had phases, so…
BotW and TotK had very challenging navigation puzzles for someone not versed in the tropes but even more importantly, I thought they were fun even when I got help, because I absolutely could not figure out the Divine Beasts on my own. I managed TotK without help, but only because the physics were so good and I know how real life works. I absolutely missed many “intended” solutions.
Anyway, the perspective of one new fan. And I have spent a lot of money on Zelda, now. I’ve bought 3 switches, 3 copies of BotW, and will probably buy one more switch and physical copy of TotK before the new Switch comes out (for modding). I think Nintendo is very happy to grow its fanbase and will stick to the formula that brings in new people until it no longer does. But I will say that I *have* learned enough that I’d be willing to try Twilight Princess or even Ocarina or Majora’s Mask if they’re remade. I’d probably fail again, but I’ve watched many vids about them and the stories and characters were fun. I just have a hard time seeing the old games’s graphics. I can’t even play the Switch in handheld mode, my eyes are so bad, so…I am hoping for those remakes!
Fun vid, as ever. I generally agree, though I always disagree with UA-camrs’ complaints about what is easy. To me, it just sounds like flexing. But I’m used to it now.
Thank you… and thanks for sharing your experiences, it’s always fun to see how someone else has found the game and it’s various challenges ❤️
❤️🔥🔥Some love for the fire temple 🔥🔥❤️Really about EVERYBODY (99%) who cheesed the firetemple doesnt like it and everybody (99%) who did it the intended way loved it.
I definitely don’t think the dungeons were bad, but I was fairly disappointed by them. Mainly because I just don’t like the Divine Beast structure to these, but I actually also found the theming to be pretty boring (at least visually). Especially since they’re all still just have the most basic names, just “Element Temple” for all of them. (I was also pretty disappointed that there were again only four dungeons in the game)
I did at least really like the Lightning Temple just because it felt more linear and better structured
if they at least made the spirit temple a proper dungeon with good elements and a cool theme. u could maybe count the mineru collection thing as a dungeon type thing bc u also search for 5 elements which unlock the sage.
After finishing the fire temple, I wished it had the same slippery walls + no zonai devices limitation shrines have. The final gong puzzle was actually pretty darn good, but the fact that it's far, FAR easier to cheese it than do it the intended way sucks
IMHO all the Dungeons in TOTK are a step up from BOTW's dungeons, but all of them still fall short of most dungeons from past titles. The Lighting Temple was the best because it had a good buildup to the dungeon and the dungeon itself had good aesthetics, unique mechanics, and a quality boss fight. The Wind Temple was next mostly because of the lead up to the dungeon and the boss than anything. Low gravity and the boss were good in the water temple, but otherwise completely unremarkable. The Fire temple i subverted nearly everything by just climbing everywhere, and the boss fight was merely decent. At least all of them had a unique design, and boss fight this time around. But none of them compare to past dungeons puzzles, Mini bosses, items, and bosses all rolled into one area, and Im not a fan of the formula for every dungeon in TOTK still being activate X amount of stations to unlock the final boss.
All fair opinions, thanks for sharing!
are they better than the divine beasts though ? Most of the problems lie in them completely forgoing linear progression and making dungeons/whatever you want to call them with one third of the content of past titles. Then not only do we have one third less content in each dungeon but only 4 dungeons overall. Then disconnected random puzzles everywhere else? I guess thats what they're trying to say with the shrines.. we gave you the content just all over the place - and probably to suit more casual play styles and keep optional the more challenging puzzles. Probably could use a more "get good" mentality as the more casual players always have the option to just run around anyway.
They've done much better with theming in the dungeons at least, which is extremely important to the charm and immersion of the experience. But I'm not in any of these places long enough.
You dont want to totally scrap the divine beasts because the puzzles involving moving the entire temple are so cool. A development of the puzzle box idea you see in Snowhead, Stone Tower, and water temples. I like trying to figure out THE ENTIRE TEMPLE as a macro puzzle. And how you can effect the shape of the entire building should not be scrapped.
The problem with affecting the entirety of a building is how do you do that thematically? Gameplay wise it’s great, but thematically how does it work since the Zelda team are sticklers for that stuff
As I said later on in the video, I believe they’re better than the divine beasts because personally I’m looking for atmosphere above all else in my Zelda dungeons, these dungeons delivered that tenfold, some… FAR better than others haha
@@TriforceTrends yeah I'm looking for atmosphere heavily too.. and world building. But I do think a lot of the thematic or world building explanation for total dungeon puzzles can be explained easily... as in water levels, or rotating a central column, or any other ways the might shape the dungeon so you can reshape or reposition it - its a world with magic after all. But I mean yeah, it would be very cool to see a development of better ways to explain why/how the dungeon is moveable.
2:31 You can't use that transition while we're flying in a giant bird. I thought I was going to die.
My biggest problem with them is they're too short, and you get the "item" (sage power) from the beginning. I don't necessarily mind the terminal formula even. Many classic zelda dungeons have you visiting multiple matching points of interest to open the way forward. The thing is that after you find four ghosts/free all the gorons/find four monkeys etc etc, the path you open leads to a miniboss and an item that then recontextualizes the areas you already explored as well as opening up new ones. You can't really have that experience in a totk dungeon because you already have the dungeons "item" before you even enter, and at that sidon and rijus are only used to activate the terminals and are never required at any other point in the dungeon. Sidon's isn't even useful in the boss fight. Any given totk dungeon would be half a dungeon in older zelda games.
Some of the dungeons make up for this a little by having a longer buildup section blurring the line between dungeon and overworld or having an interesting integration of the sages abilities. Fire and lightning temple have their size and complexity working in their favor. They all make steps in the right direction but not uniformly.
I think i would have liked more dungeons as well. There are a lot of locations that could easily have a themed dungeon located there like what if the chasm in the great deku tree lead to a forest temple or a darkness temple underneath the typhlo ruins or by the ancient cemetary in the depths or in kakariko villages well. So many potential dungeons and themes for them that like they didnt need to limit it to the amount that they did.
The main gripe I have with Botw+ dungeons is the length of them and (like you said), the mechanic of getting 4 or 5 things to open the way to the boss. The mechanic itself is actually really cool, but I don't like how every dungeon has the same shtick.
(Let's say Minish cap (sorry, it's the first Zelda that comes to mind since my GF played it some time ago.), you have such variety of dungeons. Like okay, the introductary first, the more linear one at the end, a very open ended (the one where you get the mits), or even the one that's just totally different (Temple of dropplets; where you use the Boss key in the first 5 minutes.)
So to sum up, the new kind of dungeons fall flat for me, since each lock of the dungeon is not connected to the dungeon, but is there by itself. You don't have the dungeons where you have to understand it as a whole (Eagle's nest (Link's awakening), any water dungeon (damn I love those) ). You don't get "gauntlets" as I call them, which are usually the last or second last dungeons (Like Turtle rock and similar ones). Personaly, even if TotK dungeons had really amazing atmosphere (accept the Zora one, that just sucks . . .), I don't believe you can have a got theme if they all work the same way. You know what you'll have to do and the dungeons are just "one of them" and not their own thing. (Example of what I mean, could be the Stone Tower Temple.)
Sorry, I know I'm a bit all over the place, but the thoughts are still there. I love TotK and it's a huge step up from BotW, but the dungeons still lack IMO.
I wouldn't say they're bad but outside of the lightning temple they all just felt like divine beasts to me. I was hoping they'd use BOTW hyrule castle as the template for TOTK's dungeons. I actually enjoyed the caves way more than the dungeons, the jail cave in the gerudo desert felt like a proper dungeon to me
The caves definitely were great
I mean to be fair, tears did wrap up most of said beasts problems. You can aestheticially tell them apart, they have actual enemies which are capable of dealing damage, and they have a wide selection of mechanics. Sure stuff like the map being too informative and the objective system being too blatant and loud still exist but all in all tears fixed more of the beasts issues than it kept.
Despite not being the hardest temple even though I got so stuck on one puzzle that I had to look up the solution, I'll admit I have a bit of a bias to the Lightning Temple since I grew up playing Tomb Raider games and watching The Mummy series starring Brendan Fraiser. This temple felt like it was tailor made for me. The boss was the hardest out of all of the bosses with enemies swarming you while you dealt with the Queen. It's easily my favorite.
Fire Temple was the hardest and I had to look up solutions for more than one puzzle (mostly because I suck at reading maps). But, the challenge and reuse of carts really made it stand out. I just wish Yunobo would have shut the hell up about Zelda while his people of Goron City are suffering because of him (he was under mind control but he doesn't acknowledge their at all until you finish the temple. What a wasted opportunity for characterization.) And that boss fight was pathetically easy. Mind you, I had a fairly strong weapon so it practically deleted its health but getting the Marbled Gohma into a vulnerable state as well getting out of its explosive traps was way too easy using Yunobo.
Wind Temple is among the easiest of the temples (though I probably did get lucky finding one entrance to a floor) but it makes up for that in sheer spectacle. The build up to it was amazing. The ascent from Hebra Mountains with the various platforms and ships' "trampolines" made for a fun experience, capped off by the breathtaking dive into the clouds of the Wind Temple itself. And that boss fight. Whoo boy. Like I said before, it's easy. But, the ✨spectacle✨. I don't remember the last time I experienced a boss battle centered around free falling which definitely made it unique. And Oh. My. GOSH. THAT BOSS THEME MUSIC! Whoever created this stuck their feet, calves, cankles, elbows, necks.....everything into this song. This temple is the reason I'm still salty why we can't create multiple save files that aren't Autosaves. I would *love* to revisit this temple and boss again (I know you can fight the boss again in the Depths but it's not the same). As my very first boss, I may be a bit biased but, whoo boy, did it leave a great impression on me even if I wish the boss was a bit more challenging.
Water Temple......😒
Coming from the Wind Temple (especially since this was my second temple), this was a *massive* let down. It rehashed ascending from the village to the Temple (making me think this was going to be the trend of the temples going forward) and the puzzles were even easier than the Wind Temple's. And it didn't have the benefit of spectacle to make up for it. The boss was uniquely goofy and the theme was fittingly so as well (and pretty catchy) but even then the praise isn't....that noteworthy. Easily the worst of the temples.
Okay, let me ask you a question: Which 3D dungeons in the series is the Wind Temple better than?
3 of them in Skyward Sword (not sandship and ancient cistern)
PROBABLY 3 of them in Majora’s Mask
All of the Young dungeons in oot, a couple of the adult ones
All of the beginning dungeons in TP (TP is my personal favourite game in the series… at least before TotK btw), and 2 of its 2nd half dungeons (city in the sky and palace of twilight are kinda meh imo, specially cits)
And 3 of them in WW
But this is just my opinion, if you’re gonna make a snarky comment about how my opinion is wrong… please don’t, I get it enough in comments already LMAO, it’s just my opinion, you’re allowed a different one, so am I
The water temple was a huge let down, the spirit temple didn't even feel like a temple or divine beast until I realized getting minerus parts was the puzzle which was okay I guess. The fire temple was a great connect concept but left a lot to be desired
I thought you was going to mention all the temples, including Spirit Temple.
It was good to hear your thoughts on the ones you liked.
My bad, when I do my full ranking in a few months I’ll make sure to include that and the final run up to the boss :))
I wished the forest temple could have been real but I loved them especially the spirit temple, even though it can be condidered as a long quest more of a dungeon I love it. It is open but not made poorly, the factories are like shrines and the zonai study at the surface and the sky is really cool. Finally, the music when you control the golem is incredible.
The best that felt like a dungeon was the "Spirit/Lightning" one, but in the end, most of the dungeon felt underwhelming.
I prefer traditional Temple/dungeons. Find the item in the temple to beat it and progress more on your journey.
Having everything right at the start isn't something I personally like. I rather work my way up to have them, like in temples. Hookshot/Longshot, Megaton Hammer, Bow and arrows, Hoover boots, Iron Boots, etc.
Overall, I Totk is good, but doesn't beat OoT and MM, for me
Wow you used recall on the exploding rocks in the fire temple boss fight. It didn't occur to me to try that. Instead I fused them to my shield to surf-jump into focus-time and attack the boss with arrows.
I did the fire temple 4th so already had lynel multishot bows and plenty of arrows.
Damnnn, you’re giant brain for coming up with that solution to be fair
do you consider the construct factory to be a dungeon in way?
Yeh, I just didn’t include it since it’s not on your list from the beginning of the game and I don’t wanna spoil stuff for anyone
I like it though!
The entire underground area is one huge dungeon.
I think the lighting temple was the best and only needed a few "offset chambers" to really perfect it, like a chamber in the pyramid far from the elevator to turn on lights that flash like dazzlefruits but only deal the armor reduction part of the effect temple wide, regularly, as an exploration bonus, like a false entrance path.
The fire Temple I kind of feel is terrible despite a fantastic atmosphere, the tracks feel unintuitive and while I found everything by cheesing entirely new bridges to nowhere Yunobo's AI not understanding ramps made some locks really annoying despite not being truly "hard" I often cheesed things there only to figure out the proper solution and still having no idea how I was supposed to actually think that would work not to mention what would convince me to do anything that complicated, especially with the stakes presented the puzzles were just badly designed and not organic... And I say that as someone who drove up by car when I could have flown and skipped the hill.
The Water temple itself could have used more variety like a broken pitcher or a hydraulic lift... And the muck paths should have done something after as aquaducts instead of holding just a trickle of water despite previously having sludge falls... And why is the boss so tanky? The Wind Temple boss is literally just threading the needle while water just won't die despite being based on the 1-hp creature everywhere else, it's like if they made an evermean a growth on an Octorok and added the tree's hp to the base monster then kept the "leaf" Respawn rate on the tree.... The thing tanks more than Molduga and has a more annoying speed and escape reflex.
The ancient works and lead up to the water and wind temples are great though., they just need a little more to do.
The Spirit Temple should've been mentioned. It had a great build up, and then spreading out to grab pieces of the construct was just such a cool way to do the "do the 4-5 things to unlock the boss door" mechanic. And from a story lore position you can't beat it. And the fact that (unless you're like me and you went "what's in those clouds there?" and did it early), it's a surprise dungeon if you thought you'd be going after Ganondorf after completing the 4 dungeons.
Definitely agree about the water temple. It would have made more sense for that underwater bit beforehand to be the water temple, and maybe that was going to be the case at some point? And re: Sidon's powers, with ALL of the sages, I wish there was another way to trigger their powers than finding them on the battlefield and hitting A. If there was a way to hotkey into their powers, I think Sidon's could have been more helpful.
I didn’t mention the spirit temple because people who are watching who haven’t finished the game yet are skimming through using the chapters at the bottom of the video, seeing 5 dungeon chapters instead of 5 would ruin the surprise of an extra dungeon (at least it would’ve done for me and I try tailor the content on what I would’ve wanted :))
Yehhh I wish there was another way to use sage abilities for sure
I didn’t rate them at all. Other than the travelling within the fire temple, they didn’t feel very creative.
All 4 of them felt identical but with a different theme.
Start in the center, 5 switches need activating but one of them is already done. If they all needed a different number of switches or something I would have liked them a lot more. Didn’t help that I recently did Skyward sword where the dungeons there are incredible.
lightning temples set up was very cool when the town got raided by gerudo. gives you that hyrule warriors feeling when fighting mobs of enemies.
wow, your ranking is the same as mine! I think the Water Temple has the best lead up, but is the worst temple. I think the Lightning Temple is the closest to a traditional dungeon and was awesome!! I think Colgera was the most fun boss though.
Long way of saying that your opinion mirrors mine lol
Damnnnn, twins!
I don't like any of the new dungeons, I prefer the divine beasts because you got to evolve around the same area but it could be changed with the divine beast's controls. You moved the beast in real time and it was really fun in my opinion, and the 5 points you had to check before fighting the boss had some sense (regain full control of the beast) instead of just "to open a door"
That’s a fair complaint, I didn’t really think about it from a beast point of view, so that’s a valuable point
@@TriforceTrends Even though the beast's inside decor would have been better if it was more than the basic sheikah stone walls, they have in my opinion a bit more personality. And the lore, too... The Fire Temple was literally introduced to me by a kid goron who decided that day to talk about an ancient tale. The Wind Temple was just a song. Also, once you finished a Divine Beast, it would go aim towards the castle, and you could see it from the whole map ! And it would give you an ability that truly gave you a sense of progress, an ability that Link would gain, and not just a shadow that accompanies and fights for you, doing little extra damage (and it's a struggle to use them when they run away from you)
Of course everything I said is my opinion, I don't mean to be arrogant or anything
Oh no don’t worry you don’t come off badly haha, it’s always hard to tell online
Yeh sounds good!
While I actually agree with basically everything you said in this video… having small keys in the game, and not using them in dungeons was absolutely BAFFLING. Having a locked door you can’t reach at a certain point is one of the best dynamics of classic dungeons. Total missed opportunity.
I can agree, there’s one shrine in particular that is basically an old-school dungeon with keys and everything, kinda odd
I love them all except the water temple. I love the adventurous feel of the lightning temple, the minecart thrillers in the fire temple and the descent into an amazing viking ship in the wind temple. Water temple was a let down in design and puzzles.
I felt that vah ruta was a better "water dungeon" than the temple. This game has a section of it dedicated to a small ocean i dont know why they didnt put the water temple in it. Yeah i guess it was cool seeing water flow down from the sky islands but i feel there was a much better creative space to work with elsewhere
[Forward: I barely used the Zonai Arm techniques, only when necessary. I only started to play around with builds, AFTER I beat Ganondorf the first time, which I only did after beating all 5 temples]
I was disappointed in the Wind Temple. Meeting Tulin (this character definitely saved that section from being an absolute loss) and all the buildup, before you made way to the dungeon was cool, but from the moment on you jumped up those ships to the boss fight...nah...everything about it was lame in my opinion. The boss fight was cool tho. Easy, but was definitely epic.
On the other hand, I kind of disagree with the cheesability of the Fire Temple. I played around a bit and sure, there are portions that are cheesable, but also portions, that are not. The structure of the Fire Temple is how I wanted a dungeon to be.
And Marbled Gohma is my favorite boss in the game. I had so much fun fighting it. My favorite dungeon of them all, definitely.
The Lightning Temple was just screaming "I'm the perfect dungeon", perfect and very long build-up (the secret hide-out was so charming!), the entrance to the dungeon reminded of Skyward Sword and the feeling inside was also fine. It just felt short, as the puzzles were so closely connected that you could solve them all together in maybe less then 20 minutes (still better then playing doodlejump-3d and then just activating 3 turbines... yeah I really don't like the Wind Temple xD). Boss was ok the first time around. And I have to replay the game to find out, weither or not you can skip the whole dungeon by climbing up the temple outside and entering the hole....
The Water Temple was also lame, but I love the build-up. And I agree, it's kinda just a spin on the Wind-Temple, but with a little bit more to do. This should have been the Wind Temple. I wouln't have anything to complain lol. The boss fight however was far too cheesable, especially considering it was my fourth boss to encounter. Sidons attack range goes farther than the boss-attack range, as long as you are high enough lol
Spirit Temple...well...not actually a dungeon... but the "build-up", which was closer to being a dungeon, albeit in multiple buildings in the depths. was reminding me of the Kafei Quest line in MM and some moments in Skyward Sword. While not a good "dungeon", still a fun quest. The boss was unconventional and I'm not a fan of Mineru (I love her as a character, not as an ability). So extremely gimmicky and out of place. Felt like I was playing a Knack and Punch-Out crossover xD
My Top-List is as follows:
5. Wind Temple
4. Water Temple
3. Spirit Temple
2. Lightning Temple
1. Fire Temple
Thanks for reading :)
I loved the lightning temple's design that one had me stumped for a good 10min on trying to find a way into a certain room. The rest, especially the water temple feels mediocre at best. I want TP length dungeons. These new puzzles just don't hit the same as the older generation dungeons imo. The boss fights were good though.
They're a massive step-up from BotW's dungeons, but are still weaker than any other 3D Zeldas' dungeons. It's just a problem with the emphasis on the freedom the game gives and such, the dungeons follow suit with being able to do the puzzles in any order you want.
You forgot the spirit temple and hyrule castle
As I’ve responded to others with, I didn’t forget them, I didn’t want to include them because even having additional chapters (especially in the case of the spirit temple) would be a spoiler for people who haven’t finished the game, and I wouldn’t wanna know there’s an additional temple through chapters on a video, so I cater the video as to what I would wanna see
They weren’t bad, but they also weren’t that good. Could’ve been way better had they gone the classic Zelda route
Very fair opinion
What about the spirit temple?
As I’ve said to others I think it’s too early to even insinuate that there’s 5 dungeons (since people would see 5 chapters on the video instead of 4), in videos yet in case people have only done a set amount of dungeons
I think it’s fine though, the puzzles are nice and self contained and the boss is really cool imo, 6/10 I’d say, nothing dragging it down, just not OVERLY impressive imo
There a little bit but not much better than the breath of the wild dungeons, but there still not traditional dungeons, it might take a little bit of time to figure them out the first play through but after that, you can still go through them in 15 minutes, I was really disappointed in the water dungeon, but I still haven't played the lightning temple yet so hopefully that'll be better than the first 3, I want dungeons that takes over an hour or more to go through, even if no wrong turns are made
Lighting is a little bit better but still a disappointment
Yeah I'm wondering if they weren't that lengthy cuz the pre dungeon puzzle to get to the dungeons they counted as part of the puzzle
They were not bad but I prefer the old dungeon design a lot more. Would prefer the dungeons to be a bit less open and filled with more enemies and a miniboss. Except the fire temple they all felt like one big room with minor puzzles and no combat at all since the boss fights are mostly gimmick too. They don't need to be Dark Souls dungeons fully focused on combat but a good mix of combat and puzzles would be great imo.
I liked breath of the wild dungeons they where really to beat. They where fun to try to beat them in the oddest ways I can find.
I’ve only gotten through the winter important to me it’s just like a bigger divine beast
They should have called the lightning temple the shadow temple, because of the gibos and because it would also complete the ocarina of time naming scheme
Wind temple tried to be the Sandship. And that was a one of kind of dungeon. You can’t relive the moment of realizing the dungeon is a ship. It tried to give us that moment but it wasn’t the same.
If they didn't "foreshadow" it like 8 times by the moment you get there it would have been a bigger deal I think.
I really liked the part of the Wind Temple where you are jumping from platform to platform trying to make your way up to the Wind Temple and at times stopping to figure out where to go next. I generally liked the final bosses. I don't mind the idea of having to unlock terminals but I feel that the dungeons are not complex enough compared to pre-BOTW dungeons. It is difficult to get lost, finding the map is too easy, there aren't mini-bosses that you don't find in other places in the game, and there aren't really sections that are challenging in multiple different ways prior to facing the final boss (the only place you are likely to feel challenged in the puzzles). I would say I enjoyed the wind temple the most and the lightning temple is a close second. I did not enjoy the Fire temple or the water temple. I agree with a lot of people that the water temple should have been in the ancient waterworks. I found that the temples felt too much like a larger shrine with a final boss rather than an adventure of finding your way to the final boss That being said I love both BOTW and TOTK and they are my top 2 video games ever, I just think the temples/dungeons could be improved on.
The path to the wind temple was pretty amazing. Also loved it. Too bad the temple itself was kinda meh. All temples were. If I had a top 15 of worst dungeons in Zelda games, every single temple from this game and BotW would be in that list.
I got tired of seeing the same plot point and the same flashback 4 times. No effort was made to obfuscate Puppet Zelda; I knew from the dialogue in Kakariko village that this was an imposter being controlled by Ganondorf. I know Nintendo is keeping the open-world design, but I would advocate for a linear dungeon progression inside that formula. I’m not sure how that works though, in implementation
I can get behind this, I think finding dungeons out of order like a link between worlds might just be the way to go… but that doesn’t do it for world building
@@TriforceTrendsYes, ALttP did it pretty well but modern open world gamers would be up in arms about how much of the Dark World map was story locked by items you had to acquire in a dungeon. There was some freedom in order but not total freedom. You would modernize that formula by story-locking the dungeon alone, not all the lands around it.
Anyway predict that this will become a trilogy, continuing on Switch 2, and we will see another evolution.
I say we’re headed to a Trilogy, because thematically there are still too many unanswered questions. There’s also a natural progression to expand the scope and answer those questions.
It was revealed that Calamity Ganon was basically a phantom conjured by Ganondorf during his imprisonment, as his hatred slowly leaked out.
If BotW showed a cycle within a cycle, then what about the war between Demon King Ganondorf and the sages? Why couldn’t that conflict be nested inside a larger cycle-a conflict for the Triforce itself.
Since the Triforce hasn’t been at stake yet, I reason that we have not yet seen the full escalation and there’s another revelation in store. Rauru and Mineru obviously knew much about their history that they did not tell us.
Without watching the video, my opinion on the dungeons is that they're better than Breath of the Wild's in that they have more personality to them and that makes a difference. They're structured the same way as the Divine Beasts: find five spots to activate, but it's at least different. What I DON'T like is that the ancestors basically tell the same story four times over.
This may be a kind of hot take but I actually really liked the Divine Beast, probably in part because I didn't really feel the need to compare them to classic Zelda dungeons amd was able to enjoy them by there own merits. But it's harder for me to seperate ToTK's temples from classic dungeons so I feel a lot more dissapointed by them.
I really disagree that the Fire Temple especially is much of a step up from the divine beasts, as I felt like navigating that one was a huge headache and was actively kind of unfun.
Edit: That said I still enjoyed the temples for the most part. It's mainly the fire temple I didn't like and I still think it had redeeming qualities.
The temples are the biggest weakness of TOTK imho. They are basically the same as the divine beasts in BotW. Way to easy and way to quick to get through. It only took like 15 mins each. I hope they fix this in the next Zelda, I want real temples like in older Zelda games and not these glorified shrines.
I really think that just adding a couple doors locked behind small keys in each dungeon wouldve made a huge difference in the overall fell of the dungeons
The fire temple was my favorite the lightning temple being a close second. I like the wind temple but I really wasn't a fan of the water temple. I really just wish it wasn't a sky island though.
I did the same path as you in terms of dungeons. I hated the fire temple to confusing and i just cheesed some of it. I also hated the boss at the water temple i died so many times that after fuseing stronger weapons and stocking up on arrows my husband had to fight the boss for me. (Given the fact my timeing isnt great and he played a lot of Dark Souls)
colgera kinda looks like a giant version of those flying enemies in thunderhead in SS
does anyone else think the same?
I can see it
I would say they are awful. A slight improvement of the first game's dungeons. Not a single one is memorable to me and they're all too formulaic and too easy. And it doesn't really help that cheesing them is much easier than using the intended method a lot of the time. It's all about hitting 5 switches (or bringing 5 things), then go to a center room for the finale. And for 4 of them the structure around them is exactly the same. And many of the cutscenes are pretty much the same with a few lines swapped out and different characters, so that most certainly doesn't help.
They're pretty decent compared to other games, but they are awful as far as Zelda standards go I'd say. They're relatively short for most part, can be easily cheesed, are just very easy, combat in them with enemies is just dull and boring since the enemies are just dull and boring, have no memorable puzzles, etc. They did a good job with some of the shrines. They should've used that creativity for the dungeons instead. Heck, there isn't even anything worth getting in the dungeons. Just some weapons, shields and bows and you'll have no shortage of those.
It honestly surrpises me just how bad they are. The dungeons were one of the largest complaints from the original BotW. That game took about 5 years to develop... including making the engine for it and many other things from scratch. You'd think that would have them more time to adress the complaints and actually put some effort into the dungeons this time around. With a humongous 6 years of development time with many of the animations and assets being re-used... they couldn't manage to do it. Honestly I feel like this game is more like an expansion of the first game like we saw back in the day with games like C&C: Red Alert 2 - Yuri's Revenge. Adds as much content as the original game if not a bit more, but is not quite different enough to be considered a full blown sequel in terms of gameplay.
It's a good game, I'm enjoying it... but in no way does the 6 year development time show. Should've been no more than 3 or so years with what they did end up making.
I mainly had hoped they would play more with the conventions of dungeons. BotW changed the idea for the boss key, but then Tears of the Kingdom just stuck to that, and the formula they made, they stuck to so much that even the story script was the same.
"Young (race-specific noun). That monster was created by Demon King to prevent you from finding my Secret Stone." "Demon King? Secret Stone???" "Many years ago, we faced the Demon King. But he was too powerful, and sexy, and I was unable to (race specific talent) against him." "Then the Sage of Time who you ironically know is Zelda came to me with a request." "Give Link the power of (element)." "From that moment, the future of the (race) was set in stone." etc. XD
I wish more of the 'typical dungeon design elements' had been treated as a point of distinction, not just the same change to the boss key. The final sage, for example, is an interesting concept for a dungeon item, she just didn't feel as useful as she felt like she should, because you already had these tools available to you and she wasn't that powerful, but the idea of a new take on the dungeon item is neat. Or they could base another dungeon around a unique take on the small keys, or the miniboss, or main boss or the way the Sage communicates.
I think it'd be cool if the Gerudo sage appeared as a mysterious hostile incarnation, constantly testing you in battle throughout the dungeon. Cases where they've taken 'a dungeon' but changed up one big thing people are used to, like how Snowpeak Ruins was actually lived-in have drawn a lot of praise, and I think there's a lot they could do with this to open up the dungeons and make them different. I also wished to see a dungeon where you have to exit and climb around the outer structure to proceed at certain points or something, given BotW's mechanics. I'd love to see a whole town be a dungeon in some way, with people still living there and a mystery to solve or something like that.
7:42 tulin ragdoll
Fire temple was my favourite. Theming, music, exploration and a gimmicky boss all make me happy
Great video! Summed up a lot of what I feel when it comes to the dungeons in totk. Loved the wind temple, loved the lightning temple, fire temple was great except it was too easy to cheese a lot of it. The water temple has a huge miss for me. I feel they should have done like the labyrinths, and have part of it be in the sky and then part in the ancient water works. Have them connected and the water works part be more of lowering and raising water, or changing the flow of water to get to certain areas that lead to zonai switches that open up more of the sky portion. Just a huge missed opportunity for a great dungeon. Then the spirit temple… 😔 after putting the construct together and getting to the area and it saying spirit temple my jaw dropped that we were getting a dungeon in the depths… then it was just a boss fight… it should have been a full on dungeon, they created the depths and it was amazing, then not to put an actual dungeon down there was very disappointing. They could have done something like the shadow temple and have an armor set you get that acts as the lense of truth or something. For me that was the biggest disappointment in the game. Hopping DLC will add a real dungeon down there.
What about the last dungeon!?
I didn’t include that one just in case, still seems a little early
Imo though it’s still fun and if I had to give it numbers like the rest, I’d give it like a 6/10, the depths theming was pretty fun, the boss of that dungeon is like my 3rd favourite in the game too
I guess different things appeal to different people but Zora was my favorite and Goron temple I gave the game to someone else to do it for me
The build up to the dungeons are amazing
When I did the wind temple and did the 5 puzzles opening it up, it was then I thought: "Im finally going into the wind temple now", I was sure that opened up the temple itself. that says something about it all, the second they called these places "temples" the rating for them went down. They didnt feel like temples and were made in the same spirit as BOTW. they are the same, but with different clothing. How can Nintendo, with this amazing physics engine create something so simple and easy? they have the tools to make the greatest zelda dungeons ever! but they give us this.. and the Spirit temple, dont even mention it. when I saw the letters: "Spirit Temple" my whole body tensed up, I was so happy. and then, just a boring boss fight. I was so incredibly disappointed.
They have made one of the greatest games ever, but when they have this moments and designs in the game that actually draws out such big disappointments they kind of ruins it for the players. when we think of these games and to play them again, one of the things that will always pop up when we think of it is the disappointments we had when doing these dungeons. the only dungeon who didnt disappoint me where the Lightning Temple, but compared to zelda games in general, that too is only around 4-5/10, and that says something.
This does not count the build ups to the temples, every zelda game has a build up AND a great temple aftewards. no matter how cool or fun the road to the temples were, its not okay to have such tools and that engine and create something so lackluster. its lazyness and just outright bad directing.
tho, I give the game itself 9/10. I love the game and I have over 200 hours playing it, its just the dungeons that are an infinite amount of disappointment.
For me it's
Wind
Water
Fire
Lightning
I know many people love the lightning temple, and that's good for them, but it did't do it for me at all... and I hate Queen Gibdo
Maybe it was a typo and they were going for the LIGHTING temple 😂
Who knows DLC could be in the pipeline and that could be a chance to bring even more dungeons to the game
Hopefully :))
@@TriforceTrends I think one wave of this DLC should be about the ancient sages, and another way being about the ancient hero
I don't mind the new dungeons because we have had 30 years of the same type of dungeons that was getting boring quick so when they change things up I accept the new direction that Zelda is going in
I feel that, I don’t mind them changing it up at all
Why does everyone hate the water temple so much? the low gravity mechanic is super fun.
Because the low grav was only properly used in 1 puzzle and the build up, the build up was cool like I said but the dungeon itself? Bleh imo, the theme didn’t do it for me at all
@@TriforceTrends interesting. its wierd how controversial the temples are. I actually liked the wind temple the least (not saying I hated it though). I do agree that the lightning temple was the best though.
You take your scores, cut them in half- and i agree
Better than what they were however i still think there are issues for sure but like LEAGUES better than divine beasts
Fax
I still think all the bosses are too easy, except Queen Gibdo which is fun af, and all the temples feel weak in comparison with the older ones. Only 2 pass, being the wind with a 5 and thunder with a 7, but this last is rlly good for being the best of the bunch. Definitely better than the divine beasts, but still weak
I definitely think that these dungeons are a step up from BotWs. Although they could be better, I still like them.
Tbh I have no enlightenment to offer. I’m pretty much exactly on the same page as you with all four of these dungeons
Gigachad Burgerson as usual, just always with the perfect takes
In all seriousness though I’m glad we’re on the same page, thanks for watching bud ❤️
Sky temple is okish, but the rest are just bad. Mediocre puzzles, null combat, good scenery, very short
They're all good except for the water temple
My only issue with the dungeons is..:.::they where to easy to figure out
I think that’s a fair enough complaint, hoping for slightly harder dungeons in future too
Hot Take: The Divine Beasts were better than the dungeons from Tears of the Kingdom especially from a story and lore perspective. They had better puzzles, better mechanics, unique structures, interesting concepts, and amazing atmospheres.
The only decent dungeon from Tears of the Kingdom was the Lightning Temple. The Wind, Fire, Water, and Spirit Temple were all bad. The bosses were better but the dungeons themselves were a step down from the Divine Beasts.
They're certainly more unique and memorable compared to the divine beasts
They're good to me better than Breath of the wild. The only one I didn't like was the entire 5th sage section.