Here in Philippines there is a rampant sale of Aisurix branded cards. Im convinced they are not fake, but reassembled parts from different cards. Thank you for shining light on this
@@wakaneut I just thought it was funny when they told people to please don’t compare with the real card. Makes it very easy to know it wasn’t the real deal. Especially since they listed the number of CUDA cores and it was much lower than it should be.
Sure, they'll refund your money. Assuming you pay for shipping or take it into a Whole Foods or Kohl's. Unless this is the week they have you looking for a UPS store. And better save your shipping receipt, because they'll absolutely claim they haven't received your return. When it comes to prioritizing customer satisfaction, Andy's Discount Emporium and Web Services is unrecognizable from the Bubba Bezos's Bookstore and More that got us all hooked in the aughts.
I guess it's the least a platform should do. Unlike JD which had really good service until crypto card shortage. Their customer service literally took repaired cards and sold them at insane prices and refunded at MSRP telling the buyer it was unrepairable. Then after the mining craziness, soms suspect they just sold mining cards as new. But Aliexpress is where most flashed bios cards go. So every purchase for a graphics card is a really exciting and scary deal.
Depends who you buy from. Amazon is a marketplace, you're better off buying a product 'shipped/sold by amazon' vs one 'shipped by amazon, sold by kewlbucks4yoo'. Buy from shady 3rd party and roll the dice. Even then if a fake makes it into the product stream ahead of amazon, they won't know. They don't build them or pack them into boxes and yea, they do stand behind it. Those issues can happen to best buy, micro center, newegg or anyone else.
@@mattk6827 You are aware that amazon does stock sharing with third part seller right? Pretty sure there was a techquicky or LTT video on this a couple years back. Basically, if it is 'shipped' by amazon then it doesn't matter who the seller is, amazon or otherwise. It all goes on the same shelf. So the likelihood of microcentre or similar getting a fake is drastically smaller than amazon. Basically, don't buy anything of value off amazon is the lesson here.
I knew about the flashed BIOS scams, but I didn't know that "frankencards" were a thing until this video. I don't suppose there's a chance you guys at LTT will intentionally buy one of them to test, is there?
I guess the main question is why even bother? What would they really test; if it performs as good as an actual card that it's pretending to be?(Answer is most likely no) I can't seem to figure out a decent video idea for it to exist, they already showed us flashed BIOs cards, the same information and lesson can be applied to these franken-cards. Not trying to shoot down your idea, just trying to understand the purpose/lesson gained from making the video you requested. If it's to bring awareness, this specific techquickie video already achieves that purpose with its eye-catching title.
@@nickfosley2882 Techquickie doesn't get nearly as much exposure or view time as the main channel though. Would also be interesting just to laugh for a bit at a screwed up solder job.
@@Mufflin Yeah, but that was at least unique. The point I made in my previous post was that a video of them buying franken-cards is essentially a rebranded flashed BIOS cards, but hey, I'm an LTT fan, so I would watch that video with a grin on my face.
Did you see the GN video where they got to be there for the final days of EVGA? When Riley mentioned making a Frankencard by combining components of several dead cards, I thought of the fact that **EVGA actually had a team to do that** and they did it extremely well.
Over a year ago, I bought a "2GB GTX 1050-Ti" which I realized right after that it doesn't exist. And it ended up being a terrible GT 210. But now I have a beautiful 1650 ❤
A nice idea for a video would be the longevity of a ssd vs a hdd today, from different stand points, like a professional that has to write data everyday or a normal user that doesn't do much with it. Even if it's an interesting topic, it's really hard to find informations about it. Also considering that today we can even buy easily a 2T ssd m.2 nvme for like 120. So would ssd be a good choice for storing backups? Or in a long run would be better the choose the hdd? Which would last longer and in which cases?
I mean, hard platters have a lower price per storage unit (50$ for a 1TB hard disk versus 100$ for a 750GB solid state drive) but have a slower read/write speed.
@@GrayDaDolf The issue is shelf life. How long will a HDD retain the information compared to a SSD? It's not only read/write cycles that limit Flash memory. The memory cells will discharge over time if the drive isn't used. Same with a HDD. The platters store information by magnetizing incredibly small spots on a spinning disk. Each 1 or 0 is stored as a individual spot. Over time the magnetic charge will get weaker and weaker until the drive head can't read the information reliably. So the question is how long it takes for the information to become unreadable. Early Flash memory was using so called SLC tech, or Single Level Cell. Each sell stored a 1 or a 0, and that was it. This meant that there were pretty large difference in the charge for these so in theory they were a lot more long lived than more modern designs such as DLC, TLC or QLC. Now I cant find numbers for what these values are exactly, but it's not a lot of room to play with. And yet in a DLC flash memory each cell can take one of four (4) values. If we assume that if both values stored zero the "level" is 0, and if both values stored is One then the "level" is 1, you will have two more "levels" that need to be retained and discernable by the controller. So 0-0 = 0, 1-0 = 0.25, 0-1 = 0.75 and 1-1 = 1. Now any drift in the stored value will make it harder for the controller to read that value back. But DLC is old tech. Even TLC is old today, and the latest of the decently cheap SSD's are using QLC memory, storing four bits in each byte. Now things get hectic as to do this the storage controller will have to accurately store and read sixteen (16) levels in that cell. If they manage to make PLC memory it will have to differentiate between 32 levels per cell! So any drift in the stored levels is bad news for the stored data. A flash drive that is in use can have the controller reading and refreshing memory cells to stave off memory loss. But writing to a cell also degrades it so a part of the flash memory in the drive is set aside as spare area to be swapped in whenever the memory controller detects that a cell is no longer able to retain the information reliably. All in all we are putting a lot of faith into these technologies. HDD's we pretty well know how long they last, but flash memory is not as simple or well understood. Back in the 80's and early 90's I remember running special programs on hard drives that basically read all info and rewrote it back, checking that what was written could be read. They also could do multiple attempts att reading sectors that were failing, and some times were able to recover the data and write it back. If the sector failed on write it was mapped out and a spare was reallocated. Yes HDD's also have extra storage areas that get swapped in when sectors starts showing signs of failing. However that type of program was largely made obsolete with the introduction of IDE drives. The older MFM and RLL drives allowed access to the raw data read by the drives read head, while IDE and SCSI drives hid that part of the operation from the rest of the system.
Always try and buy a card from a regular guy reselling a GPU. One of your questions when you buy a GPU should be; Do you have another I can buy as well? If they have multiple cards to sell, run for the hills. If they are only selling a single card, you are most likely good to go - not a miner, not a shady transistor swapping con. Dang. You guys showed GTA5 now I have to try it on my new GPU 😎
if the product fail the minner has a remplace option but others not. The cuestion is that so faithful is to its sayings/guarantee. I know a mining friend who has even had to replace a 3080 and did. I also know computer stores that dedicated themselves to mining and now sell them "outlet" with a guarantee (but I don't know how they respond to it, in this case they offer it for legal reasons). But being realistic, unless you know him or he has a physical site or he gives you an bill, you have to be careful, very careful... another good option is to pay with PayPal
whats the problem with buying mining gpus? usually their taken better care of, as thats their card for income,. and dont run at full power anyways. also running at constant temperature is better usually than constantly fluctuating temps
depends on the store. here in my country, it's very rare to see a gpu being sold in a reputable store, and non-reputable ones sell same shitty graphics cards, to the point i don't even bother buying local
This video you used as an example of fake/re-painted Memory is from Paulo Gomes from Brazil - www.youtube.com/@PauloGomesVGA ; he is an excelente video card repair specialist !
Criminals will thrive where the legitimate industry is not operating in an equitable manner. Look at the price of GPUs that were released 2 or 3 years ago. In the UK they are all still far in excess of MSRP.
Just last month I bought a MSI 6600 XT from Amazon, however they sent over a MSI 3050 instead 😢 I sent them a message and they let me keep it and gave me my money back
glad you made this video i was honestly going to dm yall about it lol i noticed this last week on a very official online seller wont give them the advertisment.. but yeah gpus that look like new rx 580s or gtx 1060 but with no markings or stickers lol
yep. like Aisurix and MLLSE cards, they are 100% harvested chips transplanted on the most generic PCBs with the most generic coolers. the unbelievably low price, editing product listing to now have "warranty" after criticisms and suddenly appearing after the worldwide crypto crash is a dead give away.
I was recently scammed in india they sold me dual rank ram from Amazon And i got single rank all the model number and stickers were same as dual rank Kingston fury but cpuz told a different story single rank ram and different model no I tried to return it guess what no return policy applicable on Ram 🤣 Bloody scammers so i tried for a week and got refunded and also i got to keep the Ram 🤪 But a scam is a scam amazon should have done better
eBay has pretty good consumer protection. I am surprised that they didn’t mention any tactics to protect against this. 1. Does the graphics card have VGA or any other output it shouldn’t? Many scammers often use very old GPUs like the GTX 650 Ti as a base for their illegitimate products. One surefire way of determining a fake is if has VGA when the real product shouldn’t. Nvidia 900 and AMD R7 300 series and newer do not feature VGA. If there is a 1050 Ti with VGA, that is definitely fake. Mid to high end cards of the slightly older cards do not feature VGA as well. Of course this doesn’t apply to which may have VGA like the GTX 750 Ti. 2. Unbranded card: If a card doesn’t have any branding on it and the pictures are generic online shopping pictures, skip it. This also applies to cards that simply branded as NVIDIA or AMD and are clearly not reference models. 3. Weird coolers. If the cooler doesn’t look like anything you find from from the card makers themselves like MSI or Asus, skip it since they are likely using older heatsink. Do be aware though that if someone is selling a card from an OEM like Dell or HP, the heatsink may not be standard but follow rule 2 if you have any doubts. 4. Comes from China. This is not a surefire method especially if you do live in proximity to China but the vast majority of scam cards do come from China. Simply select your own country only or your home region (NA, SA, EU, etc) if you don’t live in proximity to China. Again, this is not surefire since scammers can live anywhere but they are most prevalent in China. 5. Generic photos. If the photos used are reused photos from other seller or the internet or generic online shopping photos, beware. I am not saying this is a clear indicator of a scam, but if you see this, be keen to follow the previous rules to sniff out a scam. If you believe you have been scammed, you can report it to eBay and they will return you your money and you get to keep your mislabeled GTX 650. I don’t know how it works with other marketplaces though. Do not fear used cards, they are great, just know what you are looking for and you will be good. And eBay has you covered in the event you do fall for a scam.
Totally agree with Riley, but I curently using a fake Esonic advertised GT730 2gb GDDR3 (in fact it's a GT610 with 1Gb DDR3). The driver goes well and the card just run daily since 2019 till now
This is stressful when thinking about it. My ASUS TUF 3070 is bagged clean, no damage all safety covering in a sealed box and when I use it paired with a 12700kf, it acts like a 1050.
I'd check Cinebench, Afterburner, ect to make sure the rest of the system if fine, that pairing should be fine. If you have another system you can swap parts like the RAM or GPU with all the better. PCB dimensions and layout (vs a reference image) could give you an idea if you do have a fake card.
@@raszelast so for whatever reason I couldn’t get cimebench to work (faulty download or something) but I messed around with the Nvidia control panel. I found out that one of the settings were not set to my 3070 and just at auto, and set frame rate to unlimited with v-sync off. I’m pushing around 100fps on sons of the forest at max graphics at 2560-1440. Much of what I was expecting out of this card.
@@Sturmgechu Happy to see it worked out for you. If anything that's much higher than the Jansen Benchmarks video results, so just check DLSS isn't enabled and inflating things. Congrats!
Heh, dealing with a ghost right now. The worst part about it is Not jumping on something else you see in the period that eBay makes you wait before refunding.
As someone who just pulled the trigger on buying 7 4080's on ebay for $500 each 2 days ago, I hope that I didn't fall for this. Though I am gambling on the 60 day return policy to save my butt in case if things blow up. Thanks for the video!
I’m sorry to say that price is probably too good to be true. I hope you can get your $3.5k back once the inevitable happens, or, at least you get lucky and they’re usable. Do you plan on flipping them or something?
@@patricknelson I understand it is a bit of a gamble but hope that ebay will have my back if there are issues. I was planning on flipping them for $1,000 each after I check them with gpuz and benchmark them.
@UnderOneLight Yeah, it was an ebay scam. The scam works by miscategorizing the item and having the purchase be above a certain amount. It makes it harder to submit a "did not recieve item" form. Figured it might be too good to be true but trusted in Ebay's policy to have my back.
This is raising a few questions, how do these cards come to existance? I mean, if they HAVE FAILED QUALITY CONTROL, how did they leave the factory? How did someone get his hands on them? Doesn’t that actually mean that the factory is reselling these cards and actually flooding the market with fake ones? I guess they don’t care.
A dead card has to be taken apart to use the useful parts or recycle/e-waste the dead parts. Sometimes workers will steal these from the factory. (Though it could often be that the card was going to be thrown away so the person kept it.)
Always search a lot when purchasing a GPU. One time I purchased a GTX550Ti that only has 1 cooler on it and the GPU on 100% runs 1°c lower than TJ. All other manufacturers had the same GPU with 2 coolers.
@@jierenzheng7670 yup, saw today from CraftComputing and JeffDoesTechStuff videos about it. Quite an interesting mobo, but price skyrocketed from ~160 to ~250-300 $
I was about to buy an RTX 4090 for 5600 SAR from Trendyol when its price in my country was more than 9000 SAR, but I changed my mind 😂. I was about to FU myself 😂
They just put working chips on a new working board. That does not mean they are fake. Companies that do this are keeping e-waste out of the landfill. That's like saying that you have a new battery from a third party changed the battery in your iPhone. Does that make the iPhone fake now?
If the seller is up-front that they're doing that (marketing it as refurbished or factory renewed) that's fine. But if I sell you a GTX 3090 that I swear was only used by a little old lady to run streams of her cats and you get something that smells of fresh solder, I've scammed you, bro.
I recently bought 2 Nvidia Telsa P40 on ebay... they were shipped from china... they worked, they registered as real and after opening, cleaning and checking them everything seemed fine. They work great with 65b llms^^ (at least usable, but you won't get better options under 6k $. It's a risk, but in my case I am happy.
how do they accomplish fake cards. Why would they even exist. Kinda sucks spending money on some scam defective parts. You did say there are good chips on there for replacements. Maybe that's it.
at this point the whole internet is monetized either by scams or people selling ads for scams. individual users can be fine but the platforms they're on would just die if they were to actually cut out all the scam marketing. The internet's quickly turning into what telephone lines are now, something that just exists to facilitate grifts.
umm Soddewring ? I thought you were in Canada and spoke good english... as an Australian and non native English speaker pronunciation of solder has to have the letter L in it not soDDer I have yet to see soldier pronounced as soddier ! ???
Here in Philippines there is a rampant sale of Aisurix branded cards. Im convinced they are not fake, but reassembled parts from different cards. Thank you for shining light on this
do you have a link to where i can know more about those cards? salamat pre
@@cliburnhernandez8444 Lazada
@@cliburnhernandez8444 oh wait you mean learning more about it not buying oops xD
@@cliburnhernandez8444 i think Toasty Bros made a video about their "RX 580" card last month
@@Hydelix what resolution though with upscaling or not?
So that’s why I only payed $75 for my 4090 and it smells like charcoal 🤔
these have to be THE least successful bots
@@ItsReallyGeo Must have a lotta rice tho
@@CanadianB.O.W xD
You're just on the naughty list
But can it run Crysis?
I still remember seeing a “980ti” being sold for 50 bucks when it was new and the info told people to please not compare with a real 980ti.
Already giving a HUGE red flag from just the info/description alone
That's easy. When the seller is selling those fake cards with real price, now that's very hard to detect.
@@wakaneut I just thought it was funny when they told people to please don’t compare with the real card. Makes it very easy to know it wasn’t the real deal. Especially since they listed the number of CUDA cores and it was much lower than it should be.
RTX 4090
$2000
Description: actually a GT 1030 pls buy i wanna buy a 4090
fake 980ti but with extra steps
Imagine buying a 4080 with a DVI or VGA port on it, thinking it's real.
Exactly, that'd be one of the first things to look at when unboxing.
I love how Riley seems like a guy that just always happens to be there but there's no explanation
@srijitia 🥺 😮💨
he reminds me of the Vsauce guy
He’s like the merchandise in RE4
He needs no explanation
They salvaged him from the old NCIX inventory (flashed his bios too... or flashed him... I forget which)
Amazon doesn't really count as a reputable seller at this point. At least they will refund your money when that fake shows up - assuming you notice.
Sure, they'll refund your money. Assuming you pay for shipping or take it into a Whole Foods or Kohl's. Unless this is the week they have you looking for a UPS store.
And better save your shipping receipt, because they'll absolutely claim they haven't received your return.
When it comes to prioritizing customer satisfaction, Andy's Discount Emporium and Web Services is unrecognizable from the Bubba Bezos's Bookstore and More that got us all hooked in the aughts.
Literally the only thing going for them.
I guess it's the least a platform should do. Unlike JD which had really good service until crypto card shortage. Their customer service literally took repaired cards and sold them at insane prices and refunded at MSRP telling the buyer it was unrepairable. Then after the mining craziness, soms suspect they just sold mining cards as new. But Aliexpress is where most flashed bios cards go. So every purchase for a graphics card is a really exciting and scary deal.
Depends who you buy from. Amazon is a marketplace, you're better off buying a product 'shipped/sold by amazon' vs one 'shipped by amazon, sold by kewlbucks4yoo'. Buy from shady 3rd party and roll the dice. Even then if a fake makes it into the product stream ahead of amazon, they won't know. They don't build them or pack them into boxes and yea, they do stand behind it. Those issues can happen to best buy, micro center, newegg or anyone else.
@@mattk6827 You are aware that amazon does stock sharing with third part seller right? Pretty sure there was a techquicky or LTT video on this a couple years back. Basically, if it is 'shipped' by amazon then it doesn't matter who the seller is, amazon or otherwise. It all goes on the same shelf. So the likelihood of microcentre or similar getting a fake is drastically smaller than amazon.
Basically, don't buy anything of value off amazon is the lesson here.
I knew about the flashed BIOS scams, but I didn't know that "frankencards" were a thing until this video. I don't suppose there's a chance you guys at LTT will intentionally buy one of them to test, is there?
I guess the main question is why even bother? What would they really test; if it performs as good as an actual card that it's pretending to be?(Answer is most likely no) I can't seem to figure out a decent video idea for it to exist, they already showed us flashed BIOs cards, the same information and lesson can be applied to these franken-cards. Not trying to shoot down your idea, just trying to understand the purpose/lesson gained from making the video you requested. If it's to bring awareness, this specific techquickie video already achieves that purpose with its eye-catching title.
@@nickfosley2882 Techquickie doesn't get nearly as much exposure or view time as the main channel though. Would also be interesting just to laugh for a bit at a screwed up solder job.
@@nickfosley2882 These are the same people that watercooled a calculator lmao.
@@Mufflin Yeah, but that was at least unique. The point I made in my previous post was that a video of them buying franken-cards is essentially a rebranded flashed BIOS cards, but hey, I'm an LTT fan, so I would watch that video with a grin on my face.
@@nickfosley2882 Then you yourself are evidence that it would be worthwhile content lmao.
"Buy from reputable sellers and add-in board partners"
- Shows pictures of an EVGA card -
Ow, my heart. :(
Did you see the GN video where they got to be there for the final days of EVGA? When Riley mentioned making a Frankencard by combining components of several dead cards, I thought of the fact that **EVGA actually had a team to do that** and they did it extremely well.
right in the feels :(
Thats sad news. I have a EVGA 760 GTX, wich is still in use and going strong, with probably over 10.000hrs on it. They made solid products.
I can confirm they're everywhere I see one in my pc everyday 🗿
@srijita_6_9you should use water. I read that it fixes every pc problem. 😆😆😆
what a bargain, can i have one?
@@antkoos sure mate
Shinchan ❤
Thank you for commenting on my work, I'm super happy
Are you the guy whose text was in português on the video?
@@vinimagus yes :)
Over a year ago, I bought a "2GB GTX 1050-Ti" which I realized right after that it doesn't exist. And it ended up being a terrible GT 210. But now I have a beautiful 1650 ❤
How did you figure out it's a GT 210?
@@cuhleef performance must have been atrocious 😂
@@cuhleef Tiny little sticker on the back of the card
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I didn't even install it, I already had an RX 460 and knew that it would outperform the 210 by a landslide
@@RotcodFox Thanks for the reply
The smart play would have been to do refurbs, especially with how the market was currently. They would have sold them all, legitimately.
Now that the crypto boom is over, can we get normal pricing back? No? Figures.
ask nvidia
AMD is dropping the price of the 7900xt to $799. To bad it needs to be $699 for people to buy it.
A nice idea for a video would be the longevity of a ssd vs a hdd today, from different stand points, like a professional that has to write data everyday or a normal user that doesn't do much with it. Even if it's an interesting topic, it's really hard to find informations about it. Also considering that today we can even buy easily a 2T ssd m.2 nvme for like 120. So would ssd be a good choice for storing backups? Or in a long run would be better the choose the hdd? Which would last longer and in which cases?
testing longevity of those things would take years there’s no point it’s easy to google search
I mean, hard platters have a lower price per storage unit (50$ for a 1TB hard disk versus 100$ for a 750GB solid state drive) but have a slower read/write speed.
@@GrayDaDolf The issue is shelf life. How long will a HDD retain the information compared to a SSD? It's not only read/write cycles that limit Flash memory. The memory cells will discharge over time if the drive isn't used. Same with a HDD. The platters store information by magnetizing incredibly small spots on a spinning disk. Each 1 or 0 is stored as a individual spot. Over time the magnetic charge will get weaker and weaker until the drive head can't read the information reliably.
So the question is how long it takes for the information to become unreadable.
Early Flash memory was using so called SLC tech, or Single Level Cell. Each sell stored a 1 or a 0, and that was it. This meant that there were pretty large difference in the charge for these so in theory they were a lot more long lived than more modern designs such as DLC, TLC or QLC.
Now I cant find numbers for what these values are exactly, but it's not a lot of room to play with. And yet in a DLC flash memory each cell can take one of four (4) values. If we assume that if both values stored zero the "level" is 0, and if both values stored is One then the "level" is 1, you will have two more "levels" that need to be retained and discernable by the controller. So 0-0 = 0, 1-0 = 0.25, 0-1 = 0.75 and 1-1 = 1.
Now any drift in the stored value will make it harder for the controller to read that value back. But DLC is old tech. Even TLC is old today, and the latest of the decently cheap SSD's are using QLC memory, storing four bits in each byte. Now things get hectic as to do this the storage controller will have to accurately store and read sixteen (16) levels in that cell. If they manage to make PLC memory it will have to differentiate between 32 levels per cell!
So any drift in the stored levels is bad news for the stored data.
A flash drive that is in use can have the controller reading and refreshing memory cells to stave off memory loss. But writing to a cell also degrades it so a part of the flash memory in the drive is set aside as spare area to be swapped in whenever the memory controller detects that a cell is no longer able to retain the information reliably.
All in all we are putting a lot of faith into these technologies. HDD's we pretty well know how long they last, but flash memory is not as simple or well understood.
Back in the 80's and early 90's I remember running special programs on hard drives that basically read all info and rewrote it back, checking that what was written could be read. They also could do multiple attempts att reading sectors that were failing, and some times were able to recover the data and write it back. If the sector failed on write it was mapped out and a spare was reallocated. Yes HDD's also have extra storage areas that get swapped in when sectors starts showing signs of failing.
However that type of program was largely made obsolete with the introduction of IDE drives. The older MFM and RLL drives allowed access to the raw data read by the drives read head, while IDE and SCSI drives hid that part of the operation from the rest of the system.
I love how they released this video literally 3 days before my 4090 is supposed to arrive. Thanks for anxiety guys lol
I ordered a 1080 for £1 I literally got a bit of string (I New it was a scam but was curious to see what would arrive)
Always try and buy a card from a regular guy reselling a GPU. One of your questions when you buy a GPU should be; Do you have another I can buy as well? If they have multiple cards to sell, run for the hills. If they are only selling a single card, you are most likely good to go - not a miner, not a shady transistor swapping con.
Dang. You guys showed GTA5 now I have to try it on my new GPU 😎
if the product fail the minner has a remplace option but others not. The cuestion is that so faithful is to its sayings/guarantee.
I know a mining friend who has even had to replace a 3080 and did. I also know computer stores that dedicated themselves to mining and now sell them "outlet" with a guarantee (but I don't know how they respond to it, in this case they offer it for legal reasons).
But being realistic, unless you know him or he has a physical site or he gives you an bill, you have to be careful, very careful... another good option is to pay with PayPal
They did a video about how buying used mining GPUs is fine
So people can't have 2 GPU's they're selling?
whats the problem with buying mining gpus? usually their taken better care of, as thats their card for income,. and dont run at full power anyways. also running at constant temperature is better usually than constantly fluctuating temps
Didn't LTT just prove mining cards where actually a good buy?
This is why whenever possible you buy from brick and mortar stores.
Micro Center all day long BAY BEE
depends on the store. here in my country, it's very rare to see a gpu being sold in a reputable store, and non-reputable ones sell same shitty graphics cards, to the point i don't even bother buying local
@@MyNameIsBucket Man, I *wish* we had one of those around here, but alas....
nice to see @RandomGaminginHD referenced for all his work with low end and sketchy graphics cards. Always enjoy watching his stuff.
Love the "Trust me, Bro" warranty meme
@srijita_6_9stop spamming this bs
This video you used as an example of fake/re-painted Memory is from Paulo Gomes from Brazil - www.youtube.com/@PauloGomesVGA ; he is an excelente video card repair specialist !
Criminals will thrive where the legitimate industry is not operating in an equitable manner. Look at the price of GPUs that were released 2 or 3 years ago. In the UK they are all still far in excess of MSRP.
I can't help but remember the "It's a faaake!" scene from Star Trek: DS9.
its a trap
It is reaol!
Linus: buy used
Riley: don't buy used
Who to believe
Hey, Riley pronounced reputable correctly. I hope they don't kick him out of Canada over it.
1:03 incorrect.
Swapping memory or the core leaving original memory has no implications.
Just last month I bought a MSI 6600 XT from Amazon, however they sent over a MSI 3050 instead 😢 I sent them a message and they let me keep it and gave me my money back
I appreciate the shout-out to us Brazilian people
This is a big for us specially with a dollar going near the R$6, so any dollar matters and a lot.
glad you made this video i was honestly going to dm yall about it lol i noticed this last week on a very official online seller wont give them the advertisment.. but yeah gpus that look like new rx 580s or gtx 1060 but with no markings or stickers lol
I always enjoy a quick bit about GPUs.
Imagine someone who saved a lot of money to purchase a 4000 series card to eventually get a fake one. 😢
If I could actually get a good deal on a "fake" GPU I'd buy them all day long. But buying a used regular GPU is usually cheaper
Thanks for saying “reputable” correctly.
yep. like Aisurix and MLLSE cards, they are 100% harvested chips transplanted on the most generic PCBs with the most generic coolers. the unbelievably low price, editing product listing to now have "warranty" after criticisms and suddenly appearing after the worldwide crypto crash is a dead give away.
Yeah, I'll buy GPUs from EVGA!
I was recently scammed in india they sold me dual rank ram from Amazon
And i got single rank all the model number and stickers were same as dual rank Kingston fury but cpuz told a different story single rank ram and different model no
I tried to return it guess what no return policy applicable on Ram 🤣
Bloody scammers so i tried for a week and got refunded and also i got to keep the Ram 🤪
But a scam is a scam amazon should have done better
eBay has pretty good consumer protection. I am surprised that they didn’t mention any tactics to protect against this.
1. Does the graphics card have VGA or any other output it shouldn’t? Many scammers often use very old GPUs like the GTX 650 Ti as a base for their illegitimate products. One surefire way of determining a fake is if has VGA when the real product shouldn’t. Nvidia 900 and AMD R7 300 series and newer do not feature VGA. If there is a 1050 Ti with VGA, that is definitely fake. Mid to high end cards of the slightly older cards do not feature VGA as well. Of course this doesn’t apply to which may have VGA like the GTX 750 Ti.
2. Unbranded card: If a card doesn’t have any branding on it and the pictures are generic online shopping pictures, skip it. This also applies to cards that simply branded as NVIDIA or AMD and are clearly not reference models.
3. Weird coolers. If the cooler doesn’t look like anything you find from from the card makers themselves like MSI or Asus, skip it since they are likely using older heatsink. Do be aware though that if someone is selling a card from an OEM like Dell or HP, the heatsink may not be standard but follow rule 2 if you have any doubts.
4. Comes from China. This is not a surefire method especially if you do live in proximity to China but the vast majority of scam cards do come from China. Simply select your own country only or your home region (NA, SA, EU, etc) if you don’t live in proximity to China. Again, this is not surefire since scammers can live anywhere but they are most prevalent in China.
5. Generic photos. If the photos used are reused photos from other seller or the internet or generic online shopping photos, beware. I am not saying this is a clear indicator of a scam, but if you see this, be keen to follow the previous rules to sniff out a scam.
If you believe you have been scammed, you can report it to eBay and they will return you your money and you get to keep your mislabeled GTX 650. I don’t know how it works with other marketplaces though. Do not fear used cards, they are great, just know what you are looking for and you will be good. And eBay has you covered in the event you do fall for a scam.
Awesome advice, thank you.
This is how those Chinese selfless factories make money, and together make their country richer.
now they can even change the name of the IC & reprogram the bios, that's the last thing, how safe are we.
Totally agree with Riley, but I curently using a fake Esonic advertised GT730 2gb GDDR3 (in fact it's a GT610 with 1Gb DDR3). The driver goes well and the card just run daily since 2019 till now
Isn't this just a Refurbished card and should be sold as such? (in the case of regulated sellers like Amazon)
This is stressful when thinking about it. My ASUS TUF 3070 is bagged clean, no damage all safety covering in a sealed box and when I use it paired with a 12700kf, it acts like a 1050.
I'd check Cinebench, Afterburner, ect to make sure the rest of the system if fine, that pairing should be fine. If you have another system you can swap parts like the RAM or GPU with all the better. PCB dimensions and layout (vs a reference image) could give you an idea if you do have a fake card.
@@raszelast so for whatever reason I couldn’t get cimebench to work (faulty download or something) but I messed around with the Nvidia control panel. I found out that one of the settings were not set to my 3070 and just at auto, and set frame rate to unlimited with v-sync off. I’m pushing around 100fps on sons of the forest at max graphics at 2560-1440. Much of what I was expecting out of this card.
@@Sturmgechu Happy to see it worked out for you. If anything that's much higher than the Jansen Benchmarks video results, so just check DLSS isn't enabled and inflating things. Congrats!
This sounds almost exactly like the problem with fake harder to find ICs or old computer chips like the sound chips from old tech like the C64 or ZX80
vidiao do @IskandarSouza aparecendo aqui!
que foda mano maneiro demais
There are so many scams out there these days I avoid buying used altogether
you should seriously improve your background. same note for wan show.
Brazilian here just to talk about that Brazilian clip in the video
Scammers that doesn’t send anything after buying are worse than the ones sending fake cards
Heh, dealing with a ghost right now. The worst part about it is Not jumping on something else you see in the period that eBay makes you wait before refunding.
It's a lot more complicated really because where can we actually get brand new cards that are cheap enough to afford.
"STOP! In your quest to save money from buying expensive component"
Well most of those 'expensive component' aren't even in stock
Lucky for me I just bought a 4090ti and won't have to worry about getting scammed for a long time!
😂
Yah that’s why I have had the same graphics card for 4 years now
bruh even this channel has been taken hostage
At least the size of the 4080 on the thumbnail is kinda that of the real 4080
oloko, iskandar e paulo gomes aparecendo até em video gringo, que legal kkkk
Luckily my card is a 720 passive from a decade since. Definitely genuine. Genuine shite admittedly but genuine.
Sounds like the Packard Bell method of creating cheaper hardware.
bros used even brazilian videos for b-roll, wtf
Different Audio mixing? Riley sounds kinda bass boosted
another tesla channel :(
I’m glad I got a decent graphics card. I never and will never buy from 3rd party sellers. I bought from Asus and got a 4070 Super.
As someone who just pulled the trigger on buying 7 4080's on ebay for $500 each 2 days ago, I hope that I didn't fall for this. Though I am gambling on the 60 day return policy to save my butt in case if things blow up. Thanks for the video!
I’m sorry to say that price is probably too good to be true. I hope you can get your $3.5k back once the inevitable happens, or, at least you get lucky and they’re usable. Do you plan on flipping them or something?
@@patricknelson I understand it is a bit of a gamble but hope that ebay will have my back if there are issues. I was planning on flipping them for $1,000 each after I check them with gpuz and benchmark them.
@@richguy011 Wanna post the listing?
@richguy011 did you return them?
@UnderOneLight Yeah, it was an ebay scam. The scam works by miscategorizing the item and having the purchase be above a certain amount. It makes it harder to submit a "did not recieve item" form.
Figured it might be too good to be true but trusted in Ebay's policy to have my back.
This is raising a few questions, how do these cards come to existance? I mean, if they HAVE FAILED QUALITY CONTROL, how did they leave the factory? How did someone get his hands on them? Doesn’t that actually mean that the factory is reselling these cards and actually flooding the market with fake ones? I guess they don’t care.
A dead card has to be taken apart to use the useful parts or recycle/e-waste the dead parts. Sometimes workers will steal these from the factory. (Though it could often be that the card was going to be thrown away so the person kept it.)
@@NicholasFlamy Interesting. Thanks for the info!
Someone sold me a 210 “Saying it's a 730!” with “$20”
Some recognition for RandomGaminginHD !! 😊
This is why I ensure that the cheap high end graphics card I'll purchase were stolen, stolen stuff are oddly cheaper
Where can i find them tho
I just had to deal with getting a fake Samsung 870 Evo
Chinese folks call it shanzhai. Not only GPU, but old motherboard series too like h55, h61, h81, etc
It's a huge problem, considering these components frequently end up in important equipment. Used to be even worse a few years ago, tho.
Almost like Mining-people don't mind the morality or legality of their profits...
Atleast those on giant scale
Randomgaminginhd in LTT's video, nice.
Always search a lot when purchasing a GPU. One time I purchased a GTX550Ti that only has 1 cooler on it and the GPU on 100% runs 1°c lower than TJ. All other manufacturers had the same GPU with 2 coolers.
I bought a RX6600M which has been repurposed into a PCIe GPU for mining, quite cool if not hacky.
Same here. Afox mb for 6600, but M chip on it.
Nearly half the price of 6600, but ~98% or equal performance.
With the claim of "98% new, refurbished"
@@ashfaw There's now desktop Motherboards with laptop GPUs on it, quite cool. If only it came in an ITX form factor for SSF, would have been so cool
@@jierenzheng7670 yup, saw today from CraftComputing and JeffDoesTechStuff videos about it.
Quite an interesting mobo, but price skyrocketed from ~160 to ~250-300 $
@@ashfaw Yea, wish it was in a smaller form factor so I can fit it inside a i100 case for a portable PC.
I'd buy a Arc A770 cuz I want to give Intel a Try
Its a tech cookies
I was about to buy an RTX 4090 for 5600 SAR from Trendyol when its price in my country was more than 9000 SAR, but I changed my mind 😂. I was about to FU myself 😂
They just put working chips on a new working board. That does not mean they are fake.
Companies that do this are keeping e-waste out of the landfill.
That's like saying that you have a new battery from a third party changed the battery in your iPhone. Does that make the iPhone fake now?
If the seller is up-front that they're doing that (marketing it as refurbished or factory renewed) that's fine. But if I sell you a GTX 3090 that I swear was only used by a little old lady to run streams of her cats and you get something that smells of fresh solder, I've scammed you, bro.
I recently bought 2 Nvidia Telsa P40 on ebay... they were shipped from china... they worked, they registered as real and after opening, cleaning and checking them everything seemed fine. They work great with 65b llms^^ (at least usable, but you won't get better options under 6k $. It's a risk, but in my case I am happy.
my fake 730 had 20 cores lol
Does this mean they finally ran out of gt 460s?
fake labels
Nice to see RGinHD pop in here :D
how do they accomplish fake cards.
Why would they even exist.
Kinda sucks spending money on some scam defective parts.
You did say there are good chips on there for replacements. Maybe that's it.
I have a rtx 4070 ti from EVGA selling for 100 dollars..... its not fake, trust be bro.
I can't explain how much that kid Linus irritates me. I really can't.
Amazon lost it's reputability "a while ago".
at this point the whole internet is monetized either by scams or people selling ads for scams. individual users can be fine but the platforms they're on would just die if they were to actually cut out all the scam marketing. The internet's quickly turning into what telephone lines are now, something that just exists to facilitate grifts.
3:47 Shooter: A Travelling Astronaut
who's that?
umm Soddewring ? I thought you were in Canada and spoke good english... as an Australian and non native English speaker pronunciation of solder has to have the letter L in it not soDDer I have yet to see soldier pronounced as soddier ! ???
THAT shot of Linus lol
What the hell are you doing? Don't tell them, man, I've been making a fortune off of dumb rich suburbanites lol
(cough) 99% china rip offs, since theyre the one's making cards for nvidia
i buy mine from the corner like it's a crack rock best deal wins, lol J/K i only buy the best quality parts for my builds
Its sad that some people buy these. How can you know about GPUs yet not know about fake ones? Go to reputable retailers
A Traveling Astronaut?😂
0:48 it was the best of buys, it was the... blurst of buys?
New egg is selling some of these fake cards. They have really weird names.
Me with a rx 580 2048sp🙃
hmm so Dennis didn't do anything for this sponsor? lol
that and that good old usb drive fake size with the dodgy flashed bios heh
0:24 im curious how you sodder once, let alone re sodder. i think you meant to say solder.
I guess this is just another reminder of Buyer beware!😁😁😁😁