The Ultimate RYZEN Mini PC: GMKtec NucBox K8 Review

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  • Опубліковано 10 лис 2024

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  • @TeamPandory
    @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +16

    UPDATE: GMKTEC has shared with me the latest version of their BIOS (1.07).
    You can TOGGLE the Ryzen AI / AMD IPU to be ON or OFF.
    Turning the IPU to the OFF setting makes this mini pc MUCH quieter at 45W TDP, and it gave us a benchmark score of 14701 in GRID Autosport (1080p / Ultra). 👍

    • @ByteMeCompletely
      @ByteMeCompletely 5 місяців тому +2

      Are they making the BIOS available to Canonical, Red Hat, etc.? I don't run windows, how can I get the BIOS?

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  5 місяців тому +1

      @@ByteMeCompletely @byteme6346 If you're getting a new machine, it's probably running the latest. Maybe run windows on a small SSD just for bios updates?
      Tbh I think it runs a bat file, so it may be okay in dos too.

  • @richardmcgowan1651
    @richardmcgowan1651 7 місяців тому +10

    Frist thing I would do with this is stick Linux on it. Then wipe the AI tag off it. Tbf as we move forward as AI gets pushed onto users. Linux will be my main OS. I really don't want AMD or Microsoft spying on me in real time.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +5

      And you might be happy to hear that GMKtec just passed me a bios update... And you can TOGGLE AI on or off! :-)

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +3

      We did install Linux to this computer later on in the video. I'm with you on the whole AI thing btw.

    • @harleyn3089
      @harleyn3089 7 місяців тому +5

      I converted all 3 of my main computers to Debian 12 Linux this week. Partly because I don't want to participate in Microsoft's latest "Assistant", and partly because I actually like the experience of Gnome.
      Really great video BTW, a nice mix of thorough and entertaining. 🙂

  • @JCJW101
    @JCJW101 6 місяців тому +6

    This is the first review where somoene has actually tried to use the NPU for AI, you got yourself a sub!

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  6 місяців тому +2

      I don't want to do it again any time soon 😂 - Thanks for checking out the channel ☺️

  • @avidwriter2882
    @avidwriter2882 7 місяців тому +5

    Hey. Great editing. Good job. Thanks for doing all that BS for the AI just so we know it's a PITA to use so we can just ignore all that.

  • @Mclaneinc
    @Mclaneinc 7 місяців тому +2

    Epic review Tim, that AI setup is so scary and having to compile the code yourself is just a newbie nightmare, CMAKE, Python and stuff like that will just confuse and lead to issues. The update will help, but does it make all that scripting go away. For the retro gaming peeps, I'd suggest the Windows version of ReDream for Dreamcast emulating. The core that on the linux setup is the very old Android port, Redream PC is miles ahead. It does seem a chunk of cash more for only a little difference to the other GMK model. Very decent to point that out. You made my daughter laugh with the Hello Kitty part, she's studied Japanese around the time she was in Uni, love's everything Japan, even speaks a little. Currently, she's going full steam through all the Yakuza games on our PS5. And not the old poorly dubbed ones . Anyway, great review old man, keep 'em coming, really helpful and very entertaining, best still, totally honest as I've said before. Paul..

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      Thanks Paul ☺️
      You can tell her she has good taste - the Yakuza series is one of my favourites.

  • @gamernix5329
    @gamernix5329 7 місяців тому +1

    OMG! Full frontal review!

  • @KatRollo
    @KatRollo Місяць тому +1

    I wish they used a bigger fan. Would solve that hi-pitched whirring I can't stand. Would've been a great mini-PC. Hope they improve this in later models.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  Місяць тому

      @@KatRollo ohhh they've improved this on the newer cases. We published a video regarding this last week.

    • @claudiolima224
      @claudiolima224 Місяць тому

      k8 plus is out and addresses this.

  • @raymonddai
    @raymonddai 7 місяців тому +3

    ooooo so thats what you look like! (dissapointed......) JK xD . Ok i need to know what type of audio processing ur using after the intro scene cause the voice sounds way different . i like it

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +2

      It's called using a microphone 😂. Message me and I can show you the setup, but it's basically davinci resolve voice channel followed by the L1 leveller

  • @dominicconway2761
    @dominicconway2761 16 днів тому +1

    Have the k2,k4. K8 plus on the way. They make solid computers.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  16 днів тому +1

      Ohh nice, we've not received the K8 Plus yet.
      Looking at the case / mini pc case design improvements, the K8 Plus should be solid.

    • @dominicconway2761
      @dominicconway2761 15 днів тому +1

      @@TeamPandory K8 plus is a beast, I'm pretty happy with the purchase.

  • @WickedGamerCollector
    @WickedGamerCollector 7 місяців тому

    Yeah, this thing looks awesome.
    That intro ... LOL 😆.. Skynet is real !
    8xxx serie is not a huge power boost 🤨9:01

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +1

      It's an odd one 😅. Will be posting an update when I can, but this pc is better than we show in this video... When you turn off the AMD IPU. 😮

  • @ceeam
    @ceeam 7 місяців тому +5

    The only difference 8845hs has compared with 7840hs is 16 AI unit vs 10 AI units in the latter. CPU/GPU/TDPs are all identical.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +1

      Also: The 780M GPU is clocked 100mhz HIGHER on the 8845HS. This would explain the higher temps.
      Edit: sorry, my bad. That was total bogus. It's late. Very late 😂

    • @ceeam
      @ceeam 7 місяців тому +1

      @@TeamPandory That's weird because AMD states that they both are 2700 MHz.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      @@ceeam Let me go have another look ... Power UP!

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +1

      @@ceeam Ahcckk - I was probably reading the Memory speeds :/ It's late 😅

    • @harleyn3089
      @harleyn3089 7 місяців тому +1

      It also has a better memory controller.

  • @DJJuxtapose
    @DJJuxtapose 7 місяців тому +1

    Top vid as always! Dr Spaitso was always a bit pervy when I would chat with him, always on about "sexy stuffs".

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      No way! He was extremely respectable when we went to see the good Doctor. ^-^

  • @ETlandxoxo
    @ETlandxoxo 7 місяців тому +1

    I love the way you pronounce Shenzhen 😆 would also like to see some gameplay on Hogwarts Legacy

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      Jenjen? 😂 I would test Hogwarts, but there's no way I'm paying that much to (not really) play an 'Arry Potter game! 75% Sale when?

  • @Uomodargilla
    @Uomodargilla 4 місяці тому

    $400 barebone is the best value on the market rn, just take 32gb at 5600 and at least a great 1to nvme and its the best mini pc under $600

  • @mrpurpleman9698
    @mrpurpleman9698 7 місяців тому

    thanks great review appreciate the in-depth wall meter power checks with the different modes. How much roughly watts were being used during 4k video and surfing in general by chance?

  • @anonytuser711
    @anonytuser711 6 місяців тому

    I would like to hack this to add an m.2 Oculink port to put an external graphics card in it. Hook it up GMKTec!

  • @cmdredstrakerofshado1159
    @cmdredstrakerofshado1159 7 місяців тому

    This was compared to the A6 and other than the AI , the in game performance was almost identical to last years A6. The A6 in the US is almost $300.00 usd less making this a terrible deal unless you need AI for some strange reason.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      The gmktec in this video is currently at 649$ with 32gb and a 1tb (with coupon)... What product is around 349? The geekom as6?

  • @ByteMeCompletely
    @ByteMeCompletely 5 місяців тому

    GMKtek is having a sale for the next 4 days. I ordered a 32GB+1TB SSD with no win11.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  5 місяців тому

      I think they only supply the 32GB w/ 1TB WITH Win11. TBH it's easy enough to wipe Windows for your flavour of OS, be it Linux, or AmigaOS :)

  • @jimaxdfreak
    @jimaxdfreak 6 місяців тому

    Any problem on pc heat?! I claim warranty on my gmktec k4, it fails to start in just 4 months

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  6 місяців тому

      It's pretty much night and day difference compared to the k4.
      Every GMKtec mini pc after the K4 changed the place where the memory and NVME were located, and added a secondary fan which keeps these important components cool.

  • @andic6676
    @andic6676 7 місяців тому +1

    Can you boot from either Nvme slot?

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      Yes, that's no problem at all.

  • @Rayu25Demon
    @Rayu25Demon 5 місяців тому

    the default windows 11 must has some kind of malweres how could u use windows 11 and the secure boot is OFF in BIOS ?

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  5 місяців тому +1

      Secure boot basically means "forced windows boot". With Windows itself is malware, it's more like an anti-anti malware. Haven't you seen the news regarding copilot ? 😲
      Moreover, with secure boot on, it won't allow Linux to boot.

    • @Rayu25Demon
      @Rayu25Demon 5 місяців тому

      ​@@TeamPandory thanks for info, when i installed windows 11 (the 1st windows 11 build) i couldn't boot the usb windows media drive until i enable it. same thing it happens after i installed windows 11 windows didnt boot when i disable secure boot
      i downgraded immediately to 10 because i need to use lunix mint sometimes.
      thats what happens to me, i didnt bother my self googling about it a fix of my case.
      i remeber secure boot was required with tpm 2.0 to install windows 11 right ?

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  5 місяців тому +1

      @@Rayu25Demon it's not a requirement to start it up, but might be needed to install it. I think the setup needs to at least detect tpm2 availability or it won't run.
      Haven't really checked Google either 😂

    • @Rayu25Demon
      @Rayu25Demon 5 місяців тому

      @@TeamPandory it was the 1st build of windows 11 no way i'm going to find solutions on day one, thank for the info BTW.

  • @TrusteftTech
    @TrusteftTech 7 місяців тому +2

    WTF? You have a body and a face? How is that possible?
    Ryzen AI feels like me cleaning my room as a kid. Half as...ked attempt taking too long and with a terrible result.
    Does running in performance mode change the temps?
    I think it's a very good product. Thanks for the video.

    • @harleyn3089
      @harleyn3089 7 місяців тому +1

      For running local AI like Llama, Linux is much easier and better than Windows. For Arch Linux there's a script that sets everything up. Windows might get better in the future, but the vast majority of local AI runs on Linux, so that's where the community is.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      Does it set everything up for Ryzen AI, or is this for the Intel CPUs? Even AMD's own guides mention that needs Windows software so it's a bit confusing as to what will work or not.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому +1

      Yeah. Some people have those things 😂 the whole thing regarding installing Ryzen AI is a total pain in the rhubarb

    • @harleyn3089
      @harleyn3089 7 місяців тому

      @@TeamPandory I posted a detailed reply and the auto moderation nuked it....

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  7 місяців тому

      @@harleyn3089 there's protection against placing URLs... Did you link something?

  • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
    @JohnDoe-ip3oq 6 місяців тому +1

    AMD apu drivers have been garbage for a decade, deliberately not installing features on purpose because you're not using a desktop card, not to mention not providing timely updates and being EOLed years after release. You have to install modded drivers or Linux to reasonably use the things.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  6 місяців тому +1

      Are you meaning those drivers for the ancient ATI Radeon cards? Those bring me back 😂
      AMD drivers for the past 5-10 years have been pretty solid. They're also whipping Intel quite badly at the moment when it comes to gaming performance on their mini PCs.
      ... Or are you comparing to the Geforce driver rollouts?

    • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
      @JohnDoe-ip3oq 6 місяців тому

      @@TeamPandory No. Do you not know what an APU is? It's literally the all in one CPU in this mini PC. AMD does not offer proper driver support for these things, most features are disabled, requiring user modding. This includes all the APUs AMD has ever released, all of them have poor support, there is a HISTORY of poor support. The Steam deck will outlast the Asus handheld even using older hardware SPECIFICALLY because AMD offers poor support and limited optimization. Steam deck is using open source drivers supported by Valve, while AMD is not providing quality updates for their Windows chips. So any rdna2 apu not steam deck will fall off a cliff, and their rdna3 chips will also get bare minimum support. If something doesn't work, it will likely never work. You get bare minimum windows capabilities, that's it, and pray some bug doesn't appear, especially from windows updating, which has historically caused problems with AMD drivers, and whoops then you care that AMD isn't providing timely support because it bricks your mini PC, more like you're using it for something specific like video and video breaks, so you have to run a bunch of hacks or switch to Linux. AMD only supports the current Gen chip, they want you to buy a new mini PC every new chip. If you waste your money on one, you will find out, because this happens every time. Especially because the only people mentioning it are the support forum users. I'm not saying the drivers don't work, you are getting half functionality sometimes with disabled control panel features, but the real problem is support updates. AMD screws everyone with support, and there is no recourse other than mod hacks and Linux.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  6 місяців тому +2

      @@JohnDoe-ip3oq You mean a CPU with GPU capabilities, right? Sorry, we don't really latch onto the new marketing phrases like others.
      Can you provide a specific example?

    • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
      @JohnDoe-ip3oq 6 місяців тому

      @@TeamPandory I already did, the chip in the mini PC, any laptop, gaming handhelds like ROG Ally. The Ally only just now supposedly got an update for frame generation while this has been available for desktop users for a long time. All of AMDs mobile all in one chips are second class citizens when it comes to software support. AMD has no legitimate reason for doing this, because it's the same architecture as the desktop cards, but they segment mobile support from desktop. There are cases where you buy say a DELL, and AMD requires you to specifically use DELL drivers, which are nothing more than rebranded AMD drivers, which are months out of date, lack features, and the only difference might be a Dell loading picture. From what I heard on the ROG Ally, the driver is provided from Asus armory crate. These OEMs cannot be trusted to provide timely updates, and support their hardware worse than AMD. They usually only provide updates for a year, or until the next Gen product. They're treating APUs like cheap Android phones that never get updates unlike buying a Samsung or Apple.
      The biggest problem with this is absolutely nobody talks about it, so the consumer is unaware, while everyone knows what they're buying with phones. This is even more insidious because absolutely no one expects this from PC hardware. They expect support for the lifetime of the product, which you generally get with the operating system, but AMD doesn't deliver driver support. So Windows will get updates, but not your video drivers, which Microsoft has broken AMD drivers before by updating Windows, so if you don't get driver updates with the Windows update your system will break, and AMD doesn't care. They just keep it working for the initial sale, and you're out of luck after.

  • @deathtooglobalists6891
    @deathtooglobalists6891 Місяць тому

    How did he get into the computer BIOS to change things to make it run optimal? PLEASE someone explain how. I just got this computer and my retro games are temporarily freezing all the time and he said emulation was perfect. Why isn't mine perfect? Is it the kinhank 12tb hyper spin that is at fault?

  • @deathtooglobalists6891
    @deathtooglobalists6891 Місяць тому

    I got this machine on Sunday and either there is something wrong with mine or there is something I haven't selected on it for it to run at optimal performance or the 12tb kinhank hyper spin has bad bios or emulation because my games are constantly temporarily freezing. He went into DOS I guess and changed configurations like hertz ram fan speed and stuff. How the heck did he do that. All these people that make these videos do things but can't take 10 seconds extra to show us how they did it it's so damn frustrating!

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  Місяць тому

      A bit unsure as to how to respond to your comment. It seems you're either blaming me, or the mini pc for the software installation you very clearly didn't set up. Are games freezing in Windows?
      To get into the bios- you can press windows button, then search "bios" and you should find "Change advanced startup options" - Advanced startup > restart now. And in the next screen there should be something regarding BIOS.
      The traditional way is to just hammer ESCAPE when turning on your PC though, which should work.

    • @deathtooglobalists6891
      @deathtooglobalists6891 Місяць тому

      @@TeamPandory thanks. Definitely not blaming you for anything. It's the first time I have watched you so I appreciate that you responded. I will try the search in windows thing. Let me say once again I am a first time viewer so you couldn't have done anything wrong. Maybe you thought that because I said every video I have watched from other people claim that everything retro and even AAA games works perfectly on these little PCs. That just hasn't been the case for me. So I was just wondering if you that I have never watched before could help me figure out why my games are temporarily freezing. For example I play breath of fire on PS1 kinhank 12tb hyper spin and every time I save the game then choose continue the game freezes for a couple seconds. And it temporarily freezes during screen changing entering a cave or house or town. So my question was if there was something I was missing in doing to my computer. Or if the problem is kinhank. I turn off shaders on every game I play. I switch the PC from 29 hertz to 60. And that's about all I know to do. Then I saw your video and noticed you went into the computer BIOS and changed things and just wondered how you did it. Again thank you seriously so much for responding. Besides the PC bios and the shaders and hertz is there anything else? I love all the people I watch I just think maybe they are doing something that I am unaware of that gives them an awesome experience where everything works and it's not the same experience for me. I really wish I knew more.

    • @deathtooglobalists6891
      @deathtooglobalists6891 Місяць тому

      @@TeamPandory I just reread your information. I missed that you said I didn't set up software? Is that something different than window updates? I did that and also did the part in kinhank that says install first. Is there something else I am supposed to do? Again thank you for the how to find BIOS tip.

    • @TeamPandory
      @TeamPandory  Місяць тому

      ​@@deathtooglobalists6891 I haven't used the HDD system you're referring to, but I'm assuming that it runs on the Batocera OS. What you want to do is look for a Batocera PS1 guide to steer you in the right direction.
      From here, it sounds like you need to switch the emulator core on the main games list, oh, and your issue is nothing really to do with the PC itself.

    • @deathtooglobalists6891
      @deathtooglobalists6891 Місяць тому

      @@TeamPandory wow, you are quick at answering. I am glad I found your channel today. Kinhank 12tb hyper spin external hard drive not sure if it's batocera. It's just not PS1 that freezes. It's not a permanent freeze just a couple of seconds. it's every system so far PS2 PSP Sega Saturn and so on. I have another 4 tb external hard drive that has retro bat and launch box. Batocera is just a platform or what? I have heard you guys mention that and something called emulation station and such. How would I figure out what operating system these external hard drives are? Is that what batocera is an operating system? I guess this hard drive requires windows to operate. I remember someone mentioning that retro has problems playing on windows and that Linux whatever that is is better??? I wish I knew how to get on a live chat with someone like you where you could see my system and help me. I am almost 55 and home bound from pain and just never learned any of this. I learn extremely quick though. Can people talk to each other on discord? I signed up once to try to talk to tech dweeb and couldn't figure out how to do it. I thought I was close but then it asked me for a credit card and that scared me. Is this normal? Do you have to pay to be on discord? And are you saying it isn't necessary to play with BIOS on the PC? If that's true then the problem is the bios and emulators on the external hard drive and if that's the case I am screwed. Because I don't know how to change those things. Everything plays well enough as it is. It's just laggy in RPGs when saving or changing screens. And I don't know how to change fps or lock it in what ever that is.