@@Z1g0l Didn't try 5th yet but in 4th my main impression about AI was "why the f these idiots can't hold the car straight on this simple part, what is these wabbling about and how am I supposed to make clean and safe overtake"
@SweetPeaches69 Yeah, that's why I hesitate to buy the game. I like FH series but the AI is just poorly made, expected a bit more. Well, I'll wait till they repair online networking so I can play with other people. Maybe next Forza Motorsport will be better in AI department.
@SweetPeaches69 By the way in FH 4 I didn't face at least obvious cheating. Recently in FH 5 I did. Got to a very short and fast race where I could not catch the leader on a proper RWD race car. So I decided to go easy mod and made 900HP / ~1250 kg AWD Skyline (S1). And what I got - yes, start and AI shoots ahead from this one in EXACTLY SAME manner it does from my RWDs. Like "oh, you've got one with 2,5 sec 0 - 100, ok, we then will make it in 1,5". I know its possible to pack better power/weight ratio in 900S1 and surely ALL AI goes AWD, why not... but on what tyres can you utilise that power from the start? And where are the consequences of throwing the handling upgrades for the power? In FH 4 I new what the roaster of certain categoty and rating consisted of and could make a car which would have predictable pros and cons vs that roaster. In FH 5 it feels like AI specs are adjusted to the specs of your car, not just to its rating, so in ANY car you'll have the same race scenario for given difficulty. And what car you make and how you tune it doesn't matter at all. It was not like that in 4th.
if the race was a little longer the ai would have won. And that damn jump overtake was perfect. This map is, for me, by far the best map in all of the horizon games.
And this is why I want Forza to bring back a Rally-like Expansion to Forza Horizon. Like, for fuck's sake, I want to drift corners while my navigator yells at me, the true rally experience!
@@wolfboy20 Unbeatables are fairly slow too. If they were not - no chance to get 1st after starting 12th (esp in shorter races). What is really funny - how they are waiting for you when they are ahead and then go full speed when they are behind. I think all AI does that but with undeatables it goes to the point when bot overtakes you and immediately stomps the brakes on easily full throttle part so you slam into his butt. Would be nice if we had qualification instead of this shit.
That's rubberbanding for you. AI cars get horsepower boosts in Forza. If you don't believe it, go on FM7, spectate an AI car in replay, turn telemetry on, and see for yourself
Yes, I also noticed how at some parts AI just zoomed out when they should braking and cornering, but instead the just throttling hard while cornering to overtake you easily. This rubberband seems very obvious though because on last race for track, AI suddenly slowed down when we almost reached finish line while on early-mid they just zoomed out even with our best setup, we cant catch them up. I hope PG should make rework on AI behaviour and rubberband system because most players said like that too, AI was OP in here.
the rs200 has gotta be one of the most aesthetically pleasing cars imo, the classic retro look with clean lines, nothing beats it, shame they only made like 200 if them irl
The graphics and draw distances are so pleasing in this game. Seeing the volcano from miles away and seeing as it gets closer and closer is slowly is proof that this game has amazing scale of time, objects and travel. Love some horizon 5. Best racing game so far. Fun fun!!
I love how this games AI is actually good and your race is so much more interesting because you are always fighting for positions not getting 1st in the first 10% of the race.
Just got through 3-circuit tarmac race. S1 car makes a circuit in roughly 43 seconds. 2 decent overtake spots. Need to overtake 11 cars. Nice... I mean I know the win recipe but cmon, I don't want to ride all same boring AWD monster cars which are so-so throughout the track bit will sling me to top 3 within the frst curve. The measures devs took to make race tense to the finish work the opposite way in practice. Uutside few longest tracks they make the race to be decided in the first two curves. You eather find an exploit that lets you make stupidly massive overtake from the start or you will not catch a leader. Not to mention cases where 1st drivatar comes 6 - 8 sec ahead of the 2nd place in 3 minutes race...
This is by far my favorite race yet in the horizon series! I did it with the Audi Quattro S1 class took my like 22 minutes to finish the race and was able to get first place on unbeatable. It's a really fun course specially going down the volcano at high speeds drifting the corners and tight turns.
@@Masterfusion my weak point in this game is drifting and braking, because i can't find the great tuning and customisation in any UA-cam video. Because of that i crash a lot, and i play in Novice, horrible!
Is anyone else as off-put by the way the AI cars move around as I am? It's something about the way they lunge back, forth and side to side that makes it almost like they're de-synced from the player. IDK am I the only one?
@@Trishul99 .It does seem though that the ai at least attemps to keep up with you after you over take them in this new game.In fh3 if you get past them by too far the ai just give up.
The thing that gets me is how they just grip out of any corner like its nothing. These mfs must have phenomenal throttle control, or tire compounds that are not available for the player lol
@@IDyn4m1CI Its AI, they have perfect traction control plus rubber banding. Their launchs off the line are ridiculous though lol. Ive been thrashed by them when their in a Koenigsegg cc8s off the line which makes no sense
Low key its pretty nice to see streamer mode have a little more music variety. The trumpets really improve that first song to make the beat less boring
I was noticing the details in this game, and turns out that the light is affected when the glass shatters there... damn. Also, that was one cinematic jump!
The only issue I have with this forza is the AI divebombing every corner that you even leave the tiniest bit of space on the inside. Otherwise this game is amazing
I got right to the end of this race, final turns through the jungle to the open fields, my car had the advantage in the corners but couldn’t beat the second place car’s top speed. Suddenly I couldn’t make my turns anymore, and I was losing spots left and right. Turns out my tires had completely worn out to 100% damage and they were basically useless. I had to give up the race after like 15 minutes of driving
That aerial double overtake was EPICC. And wtf is going on with this AI? Racing those little Ford Pumas at 200+mph, absolutely ripping through corners like nobody's business lol. These things must be a fiberglass shell with a tubular chassis and racing engine underneath, there's no other explanation
Wow the AI has an ASTRONOMICAL amounts of grip in some places, especially dirt tracks, seems unfair as fuck but it's called unbeatable for a reason though. It probably does make it more fun in a weird way, but maybe that's just me, since I really liked the ridiculous rubberbanding in NFS: Underground 1's late game. (Of which this AI reminds me of).
Dude. I put it on average yesterday to chill and get some races in and for some reason, they're programmed to drive that way in average too. At least at certain points of the race. I was getting so frustrated like, I guess PGG wanted to make it more thrilling or something, but it's sooo dumb. If I'm racing on average, I expect to get in first immediately and maintain it EASILY. But the devs didn't think that'd be exciting enough.
that guy who kept you in 7th reminds me of the gtr vs the 86 in initial d bc the guy in 6th had way better acceleration whilet you could hit corner easier.
Let's go I got an 18:03 on my first run of the gauntlet using this car and tune, it's actually a beast esp on the offroading straights. The handling and braking is kinda sensitive tho since it's an rwd
Very clean driving! But I do realise that you tend to take your line a little from the inside instead of taking it it wide which makes you loose traction after your cornering loosing your apex but then again it's only a minor adjustment, also try using less break and let go of the throttle a little sooner on gravel it won't make you loose grip as much and will be easier to depart from such angle
Nothing about the ai in this game is fair and square. They have complete grip in every corner, brake impossibly late while maintaining 200 kmh through 90 degree corners andeven though they drive fwd shitboxes in the wet, they launch like a fucking drag car in the dry. they're not extremely hard to beat though because they intentionally slow down for you towards the end of the race but they're just on a completely different physics engine from the player and it makes zero sense.
The Gauntlet is now the longest track in Forza Horizon 5! Over 18 minutes in S2-Class
nice , can"t wait .
Nice one it took me like 24mjn in a B-Class Bronco. Not on unbeatable though…I ain’t a god at racing like you m8 lol.
really what about the goliath ?
@@bartfratze9529 It’s a little shorter I think. Plus takes less time since it’s mostly faster roads.
I need your tunes hurry up 😝
that jump overtake
Time stamps?
I believe that it's around 14:41
lol my balls tingled when that happened
It was amazing
@@minaxims thank you for the time stamp....that is a sick ass overtake
I love how the AI just casually goes around a corner on a dirt road at like 150MPH.
They're basically like:
"ACTIVATING NOS TO GET AWAY FROM PLAYER"
Yeah, it's fifth installment and AI is still glued to the road, smh. It looks more like racing a train rather than a car.
@@Z1g0l Didn't try 5th yet but in 4th my main impression about AI was "why the f these idiots can't hold the car straight on this simple part, what is these wabbling about and how am I supposed to make clean and safe overtake"
@SweetPeaches69 Yeah, that's why I hesitate to buy the game. I like FH series but the AI is just poorly made, expected a bit more. Well, I'll wait till they repair online networking so I can play with other people.
Maybe next Forza Motorsport will be better in AI department.
@SweetPeaches69 By the way in FH 4 I didn't face at least obvious cheating. Recently in FH 5 I did. Got to a very short and fast race where I could not catch the leader on a proper RWD race car. So I decided to go easy mod and made 900HP / ~1250 kg AWD Skyline (S1).
And what I got - yes, start and AI shoots ahead from this one in EXACTLY SAME manner it does from my RWDs. Like "oh, you've got one with 2,5 sec 0 - 100, ok, we then will make it in 1,5".
I know its possible to pack better power/weight ratio in 900S1 and surely ALL AI goes AWD, why not... but on what tyres can you utilise that power from the start?
And where are the consequences of throwing the handling upgrades for the power?
In FH 4 I new what the roaster of certain categoty and rating consisted of and could make a car which would have predictable pros and cons vs that roaster.
In FH 5 it feels like AI specs are adjusted to the specs of your car, not just to its rating, so in ANY car you'll have the same race scenario for given difficulty.
And what car you make and how you tune it doesn't matter at all. It was not like that in 4th.
if the race was a little longer the ai would have won.
And that damn jump overtake was perfect.
This map is, for me, by far the best map in all of the horizon games.
And this is why I want Forza to bring back a Rally-like Expansion to Forza Horizon. Like, for fuck's sake, I want to drift corners while my navigator yells at me, the true rally experience!
@Unknounn EEEEXACTLY! XDDD
Woah, ur idea is like fh1 rally expansion pack which i liked it
@@harinnn_h Well... exactly?
SAMIR YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR!!
@@Messerschmitt_BF_109G_10 SHUT UP! DON`T TELL ME HOW TO DRIVE!!! XDDD
That jump from 3rd to 1st at 76% was so great.
14:34 What a beatiful Overtake hahaha
6:33 How is that fair? That guy was wall riding! Damn AIs and their cheap tricks!
Wall-ridin like a FH4 pros!
@@toxicdumplings2814 & this isnwhy i play on expert and not pro or unbeatable..fuck having to deal with that bullshit cheating
If you activate damage and wear that ai would have been last after wall riding since he basically destroyed his passenger side
@@wolfboy20 Unbeatables are fairly slow too. If they were not - no chance to get 1st after starting 12th (esp in shorter races). What is really funny - how they are waiting for you when they are ahead and then go full speed when they are behind. I think all AI does that but with undeatables it goes to the point when bot overtakes you and immediately stomps the brakes on easily full throttle part so you slam into his butt.
Would be nice if we had qualification instead of this shit.
@@Xebeth Wall riding is not the fastest way to go even without damage. it is more like minimizing the mistake consequences.
8:24
Wow, that Porsche took a whle to be overtaken.
so unbeatable ai is really unbeatable now
Watch till the end bro. He beats them 😂
Yeah I’m H4 I could do unbeatable. Not in Horizon 5 just yet. They’re so OP lol.
I bet if unbeatable play ranked, they easily get atleast league 5
That's rubberbanding for you. AI cars get horsepower boosts in Forza. If you don't believe it, go on FM7, spectate an AI car in replay, turn telemetry on, and see for yourself
Yes, I also noticed how at some parts AI just zoomed out when they should braking and cornering, but instead the just throttling hard while cornering to overtake you easily.
This rubberband seems very obvious though because on last race for track, AI suddenly slowed down when we almost reached finish line while on early-mid they just zoomed out even with our best setup, we cant catch them up.
I hope PG should make rework on AI behaviour and rubberband system because most players said like that too, AI was OP in here.
the rs200 has gotta be one of the most aesthetically pleasing cars imo, the classic retro look with clean lines, nothing beats it, shame they only made like 200 if them irl
I saw one on display at a car museum in Vegas, it was also for sale for a healthy 85k...
It looks so damn good.
It would be awesome if ford were to bring it back, like how aston martin brought back the DB4 a few years back.
I love riding it in dirt rally 2.0, but man, it's such a fucking beast, I'm collecting every single tree on my way
The graphics and draw distances are so pleasing in this game. Seeing the volcano from miles away and seeing as it gets closer and closer is slowly is proof that this game has amazing scale of time, objects and travel. Love some horizon 5. Best racing game so far. Fun fun!!
That felt like a race from a movie. And that jump overtake was stylish, you should put that as highlight at start of the video. Great stuff !
Well, the AI are no joke this time! I first thought it was online match until I saw the top four racers bunch up together.
Yeah that's what I thought too I was confused for a bit untill I started seeing people talk about AI lol
I love how this games AI is actually good and your race is so much more interesting because you are always fighting for positions not getting 1st in the first 10% of the race.
Would easily pay full game price again to get qualification runs and have an opportunity to start somewhere closer to the 1st pos.
Yeah no. Not when the AI has to literally cheat to be competitive because the developers are lazy trolls.
Just got through 3-circuit tarmac race. S1 car makes a circuit in roughly 43 seconds. 2 decent overtake spots. Need to overtake 11 cars. Nice...
I mean I know the win recipe but cmon, I don't want to ride all same boring AWD monster cars which are so-so throughout the track bit will sling me to top 3 within the frst curve.
The measures devs took to make race tense to the finish work the opposite way in practice. Uutside few longest tracks they make the race to be decided in the first two curves. You eather find an exploit that lets you make stupidly massive overtake from the start or you will not catch a leader.
Not to mention cases where 1st drivatar comes 6 - 8 sec ahead of the 2nd place in 3 minutes race...
That was a long great race!
@14:42 wow! You jump over those 2 cars
I literally did this race an hour ago... in the middle of the race it gave me accolades for driving 500 miles... the irony!
14:40
That was perfect. XDDD
This is by far my favorite race yet in the horizon series! I did it with the Audi Quattro S1 class took my like 22 minutes to finish the race and was able to get first place on unbeatable. It's a really fun course specially going down the volcano at high speeds drifting the corners and tight turns.
22 minutes in S1 car hello? I did this track in 22 minutes 31 seconds in A- class Hoonigan Cosworth. Feels weird
@@Masterfusion me in Lamborghini Urus took me around 25 minutes lol!
@@noelchristian8373 A-class too?
@@Masterfusion my weak point in this game is drifting and braking, because i can't find the great tuning and customisation in any UA-cam video. Because of that i crash a lot, and i play in Novice, horrible!
@@noelchristian8373 I actually never tune myself as well lol, I usually only go for tunes if I feel I cannot do it with just my skills
14:42 , When Fast and Furious is in Forza .
As if this is longer than the Goliath. So is the colossus susprisingly
It is longer than the Goliath, which is around 10 minutes 😁
Is anyone else as off-put by the way the AI cars move around as I am? It's something about the way they lunge back, forth and side to side that makes it almost like they're de-synced from the player. IDK am I the only one?
Yeah, the AI feels cheaty with that absurd acceleration out of the corners along with their driving style
@@Trishul99 .It does seem though that the ai at least attemps to keep up with you after you over take them in this new game.In fh3 if you get past them by too far the ai just give up.
The thing that gets me is how they just grip out of any corner like its nothing. These mfs must have phenomenal throttle control, or tire compounds that are not available for the player lol
@@IDyn4m1CI Its AI, they have perfect traction control plus rubber banding. Their launchs off the line are ridiculous though lol. Ive been thrashed by them when their in a Koenigsegg cc8s off the line which makes no sense
Low key its pretty nice to see streamer mode have a little more music variety. The trumpets really improve that first song to make the beat less boring
Im playing since FH1 Day1 and now we finally have unbeatable AI that is really hard to beat sometimes 🔥This game is insane
14:39 That's one way of taking the lead, the Grandma way!
14:42 is the best part!👀
I was noticing the details in this game, and turns out that the light is affected when the glass shatters there... damn.
Also, that was one cinematic jump!
Nice driving! It was really intense with the Puma on last leg of the race... 🎉
14:40 that jump overtake 🥶🥶🥶
This one was so long that I spent 20 minutes racing with my Ford Puma FE, but the sceneries were awesome
This was the best rece I've enjoyed in the whole game
It honestly feels like the AI isn’t playing the same game as us sometimes
14:40 that is awesome. Good video
This video taught me that I don't just have to drift all the time 😆🔥
Compared to getting past 6th place the top 5 fell pretty easy,very nice airborne pass.
The only issue I have with this forza is the AI divebombing every corner that you even leave the tiniest bit of space on the inside. Otherwise this game is amazing
i mean i would've done the same, If you leave a gap i'll fit myself there.
@@Comfy_Bed nah I mean they forget to break and shove you into the wall. If I wanted that I'd play online
Get smashed into the wall over and over. The ai are dumb as shit as always.
It's such an amazing driving. Congratulations.
I got right to the end of this race, final turns through the jungle to the open fields, my car had the advantage in the corners but couldn’t beat the second place car’s top speed. Suddenly I couldn’t make my turns anymore, and I was losing spots left and right. Turns out my tires had completely worn out to 100% damage and they were basically useless. I had to give up the race after like 15 minutes of driving
You had simulation damage on?
@@nachojr5552 Yep. Ever since, I haven’t driven with it. It doesn’t give you a reputation or money reward bonus so why bother?
@@darkninjacorporation very brave lol and yeah it's probably for the best that it's turned off
Dirt and cross country races were considerably harder than road races
The best race in FH history. Hands down
That aerial double overtake was EPICC. And wtf is going on with this AI? Racing those little Ford Pumas at 200+mph, absolutely ripping through corners like nobody's business lol. These things must be a fiberglass shell with a tubular chassis and racing engine underneath, there's no other explanation
These engine sounds are soo good💥
We deserve pictures and multiple angles of that overtake
hey man, great to see you on FH 5, loved your videos from FH 4, will you release some tunes for some cars here on fh 5? and on your youtube channel?
Yes and yes :)
What a neck to neck race bro
14:40 - Today on the Brain O'Conner's school of over-taking cars...
those ford pumas seem underrated because the way they were pulling at the end made it seem like they was going to clutch
Mans was whippin tf outta that jaunt
that jump over 1st and 2nd though!!!
Still waiting for that upshift at the end.... would have been nice letting them slipstream then just dissapear on them... EPIC RACE !!!!!!!!
😂This Race Was a work of Art and I'm So Happy The races are longer😂
Insane race, great driving. Super entertaining video. Thanks
Fierce battle between rs200 vs porsche
Long races like this... epic!
That Epic jump to 1st place
14:42 it was just epic take over
This Gauntlet track is decently nice but I would have more like this, maybe even longer, closer to the two hours long, like the ones in The Crew(1).
The climb up and down the volcano alone is better than every race in Horizon 4
That jump wooo🤯
The game: so how much grip do you need?
The AI: yes.
The game: but how much do you need for that corner?
The AI: all of it.
i was spending past 7 hours trying to beat this race at unbeatable difficulty with no rewinds, and so far im still trying
aerial overtake gaahdeemn!
The offroad “engine on wheels” is back
I wish I could see your keyboard input on the race
14:42 that was smooth af
This is the "Wake Up Call" type of Videos I want to watch in the morning! ☺🤩 Thank you for sharing it! 🙌➕1x Subscriber & Greetings from London! 👋
This track tested my patience 😂
Congratulations on your Rtx 3080 👏
Looks like you playing on ultra or extreme Graphics. Looks really good ☺️
ISAD is secretly ISAB
14:42 I believe I can flyyyyyyy....
How you manage to play on keyboard i do not know but you have my respect 100%, great work!
I'm just waiting for the "Nice Driving" compilations.
Wow the AI has an ASTRONOMICAL amounts of grip in some places, especially dirt tracks, seems unfair as fuck but it's called unbeatable for a reason though. It probably does make it more fun in a weird way, but maybe that's just me, since I really liked the ridiculous rubberbanding in NFS: Underground 1's late game. (Of which this AI reminds me of).
At this point, on UNBEATABLE, they could drive on water for all we know lol.
Dude. I put it on average yesterday to chill and get some races in and for some reason, they're programmed to drive that way in average too. At least at certain points of the race. I was getting so frustrated like, I guess PGG wanted to make it more thrilling or something, but it's sooo dumb. If I'm racing on average, I expect to get in first immediately and maintain it EASILY. But the devs didn't think that'd be exciting enough.
Lazy developers
Nice race!
Really good driving man.👍
I just did it today, in 19.58, in expert difficulty and without help
And I want to say that for once, I really enjoyed this race!
That track almost dethroned my dirt track in forza horizon 4... for 1 lap
14:40 CRAZY FOR LOVE, CRAZY FOR LOVE, CRAZY!
Nice drive 👍 brother
that guy who kept you in 7th reminds me of the gtr vs the 86 in initial d bc the guy in 6th had way better acceleration whilet you could hit corner easier.
while*
Nice overtaking 🛫 xD
this took me 23 minutes and it was the longest 23 minutes of my life
14:40 puma got paul walker’d
My most favorite drift car...
Thumb-up just for the "Jump to first place" secret technique.... XD XD XD!!!!
Let's go I got an 18:03 on my first run of the gauntlet using this car and tune, it's actually a beast esp on the offroading straights. The handling and braking is kinda sensitive tho since it's an rwd
Bro that was crazyyyyyy❤️
Love from india🇮🇳
Keep up the good work
Couldn't figure out this guys channel name so I typed in grandma driving
last 20% of race be like aggressive grandma driving
Tumbnail I thought was real life. :)
14:41 Awesome
Very clean driving! But I do realise that you tend to take your line a little from the inside instead of taking it it wide which makes you loose traction after your cornering loosing your apex but then again it's only a minor adjustment, also try using less break and let go of the throttle a little sooner on gravel it won't make you loose grip as much and will be easier to depart from such angle
you best driver!!
14:42 imagination of knight rider
The fact that the AI almost beat you fair and square, is awesome.
Dude, THAT WAS SOME PROPER RACING! CONGRATULATIONS!
Nothing about the ai in this game is fair and square. They have complete grip in every corner, brake impossibly late while maintaining 200 kmh through 90 degree corners andeven though they drive fwd shitboxes in the wet, they launch like a fucking drag car in the dry. they're not extremely hard to beat though because they intentionally slow down for you towards the end of the race but they're just on a completely different physics engine from the player and it makes zero sense.
the mitsubishi lancer WP in s1 is a beast in rally
This is the only race I don’t have fun in
it was so intense
The fact that you did this with a keyboard