There's a sister in my Stake who is from the Bethlehem area. She said shepherds are known "gossips" and know the business of everyone. She said it's no surprise the shepherds were told about the birth. 😁
While I sincerely appreciate the depth and crucial topics of your episodes, this interview’s exchange and given insight was exceptionally appreciated. This guest was brilliant and a delight. What a positive interfaith presentation!
One of the suggestions I have heard about the shepherds was that the main flock around the Bethlehem area was the sheep raised for the temple sacrifice.
Please, please, PLEASE ask Bro. Gileadi to present his life's work regarding the Prophecy of Isaiah on your podcast. Many have wrested the writings of Isaiah-and Bro. Gileadi's for that matter-resulting in much confusion. However, learning the historical, literary, and poetic underpinnings of Isaiah's prophecy while relying on the witness of the Holy Ghost, has, at least for me, transformed the scriptures-especially the Book of Mormon.
I loved every minute of this! So great to see two people from completely different religious backgrounds find common ground in Jesus Christ. Where I have to part ways with you Greg and agree with Ian is on the topic of English chocolates🤤 What I’d do for a box of Quality Street right now or even a couple of Cadbury Flake’s …delicious!
Very interesting, thank you! Also, interesting about church attendance. I would think with all the turmoil in the world it would bring people in more than not, I can't wait to see how it all turns out.
I had heard a theory that the wise men were the students of Daniel. That he taught the rising generation and they continued the teaching of Christ’s birth until the sign appeared. The expensive gifts given had been entrusted to the students of Daniel by Daniel to give to the Savior.
It’s so weird- I’ve spent 45 years on this planet and have never heard of this first floor of the family home theory until yesterday. One article I randomly found, a video from an evangelical pastor, and this. Is this a recent theory?
Yes English Chocolate is far better. I learned that on my mission to uk. It is actually addictive. ;p When I got home and had Hershey bar it tasted like mud.
@@CwicShowGreg, I thought this was a very enlightening video. Have you found that members often have the same response to LDS church history as well? That the easiest and most faithful historical narrative that was correlated by the church is what the majority of members would prefer to rehash meeting after meeting year after year? This has led some of us to your material because most don’t even care what is true they’re not going to change their stance in certain narratives.
@@Sayheybrother8 Amen, for many the term truth is more something that we put on our desk, it's a noun, an arrival point that brings a close to further discussion as opposed to truth being the ongoing work of seeking beyond what I already know, or think I know. In the 1945 Improvement Era it read “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done” George Albert Smith, when he learned of this, he wrote a letter stating, “Even to imply that members of the Church are not to do their own thinking is grossly to misrepresent the true ideal of the Church.” I have come to believe that scripture has more value in helping me ask questions than provide conclusive answers. In that way, faith is more a willingness to act on the assurances that I have acquired. “Faith is belief seeking understanding” it’s not a shrinking from rationality or remaining willfully blind to facts, it’s an expansion of an unexplainable inner hunger, given as a grace, to cause us to seek after the mystery of God (liness).
@@tsmithson1 Very well stated. I don't remember if it was you I responded to previously on "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done" but I believe, "When our leaders speak, the thinking must begin."
@@Sayheybrother8 Thanks. Church history is dicey. All history is dicey. I see the spectrum from very traditional members who have a simple narrative they follow, to extreme academic approaches that create their own narrative through a Critical lens. I think history is "like a box of chocolates." Some chocolates are good and true, some chocolates are good and false, some chocolates are bad and true, some chocolates are just bad and false and should be spit out.
There's a sister in my Stake who is from the Bethlehem area. She said shepherds are known "gossips" and know the business of everyone. She said it's no surprise the shepherds were told about the birth. 😁
I thought everyone gossips, not just shepherds. That’s like saying gossiping is unique to shepherds.
While I sincerely appreciate the depth and crucial topics of your episodes, this interview’s exchange and given insight was exceptionally appreciated. This guest was brilliant and a delight. What a positive interfaith presentation!
Thanks. I appreciate that! Ian is a great guest.
One of the suggestions I have heard about the shepherds was that the main flock around the Bethlehem area was the sheep raised for the temple sacrifice.
Please, please, PLEASE ask Bro. Gileadi to present his life's work regarding the Prophecy of Isaiah on your podcast. Many have wrested the writings of Isaiah-and Bro. Gileadi's for that matter-resulting in much confusion. However, learning the historical, literary, and poetic underpinnings of Isaiah's prophecy while relying on the witness of the Holy Ghost, has, at least for me, transformed the scriptures-especially the Book of Mormon.
I’ve read Brother Gileadi. Maybe I’ll reach out to him.
I loved every minute of this!
So great to see two people from completely different religious backgrounds find common ground in Jesus Christ.
Where I have to part ways with you Greg and agree with Ian is on the topic of English chocolates🤤
What I’d do for a box of Quality Street right now or even a couple of Cadbury Flake’s …delicious!
This was a great interview. I gained knowledge about Christ's birth I hadn't known. Thank you ❣️
Glad you enjoyed it!
What an amazing guest and conversation. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Very interesting, thank you! Also, interesting about church attendance. I would think with all the turmoil in the world it would bring people in more than not, I can't wait to see how it all turns out.
Good morning, everyone
Good morning.
He got one thing right. Christmas is disrupting.
This interview was amazing! I absolutely loved listening to him. Please have him on again.
Of course. You can go to the video description and click on the last Interview with Ian as well.
Enjoyed this very much! Thank you.
Our pleasure! Merry Christmas!
I had heard a theory that the wise men were the students of Daniel. That he taught the rising generation and they continued the teaching of Christ’s birth until the sign appeared. The expensive gifts given had been entrusted to the students of Daniel by Daniel to give to the Savior.
I think they were Christ-believing Jews from somewhere in the Persian diaspora.
“I heard a theory”
That’s the problem. It’s just a theory.
Aight.
Tuesday ngt - December 20, 2022.
It’s so weird- I’ve spent 45 years on this planet and have never heard of this first floor of the family home theory until yesterday. One article I randomly found, a video from an evangelical pastor, and this. Is this a recent theory?
No, this has been around a long time. You may not have heard about it because Latter-day Saint scholars focus more on the cave.
@@CwicShow which theory do you personally subscribe to?
I'm split. There's just not enough evidence.
@@CwicShow yeah, a lot of educated speculation on both sides. I favor Chadwick.
This guest is nice. He’s interesting.
Ian is a good soul.
Yes English Chocolate is far better. I learned that on my mission to uk. It is actually addictive. ;p
When I got home and had Hershey bar it tasted like mud.
It seems like you are preparing Dr. Paul to watch the Church's latest film depicting Christ's birth. EDIT: ...to an extent...
So what? Why ruin it for us?
It doesn't ruin anything. You can keep the same traditions. But truth is nice and at a minimum this is good fodder to contemplate.
@@CwicShowGreg, I thought this was a very enlightening video. Have you found that members often have the same response to LDS church history as well? That the easiest and most faithful historical narrative that was correlated by the church is what the majority of members would prefer to rehash meeting after meeting year after year? This has led some of us to your material because most don’t even care what is true they’re not going to change their stance in certain narratives.
@@Sayheybrother8 Amen, for many the term truth is more something that we put on our desk, it's a noun, an arrival point that brings a close to further discussion as opposed to truth being the ongoing work of seeking beyond what I already know, or think I know.
In the 1945 Improvement Era it read “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done”
George Albert Smith, when he learned of this, he wrote a letter stating,
“Even to imply that members of the Church are not to do their own thinking is grossly to misrepresent the true ideal of the Church.”
I have come to believe that scripture has more value in helping me ask questions than provide conclusive answers. In that way, faith is more a willingness to act on the assurances that I have acquired. “Faith is belief seeking understanding” it’s not a shrinking from rationality or remaining willfully blind to facts, it’s an expansion of an unexplainable inner hunger, given as a grace, to cause us to seek after the mystery of God (liness).
@@tsmithson1 Very well stated. I don't remember if it was you I responded to previously on "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done" but I believe, "When our leaders speak, the thinking must begin."
@@Sayheybrother8 Thanks. Church history is dicey. All history is dicey. I see the spectrum from very traditional members who have a simple narrative they follow, to extreme academic approaches that create their own narrative through a Critical lens. I think history is "like a box of chocolates." Some chocolates are good and true, some chocolates are good and false, some chocolates are bad and true, some chocolates are just bad and false and should be spit out.
Greg, you need to check out "followHim". Dr. Jeffrey R. Chadwick's research on Christmas, Part 1 and Part 2.