For the event of Remote Duel Extravaganza Nov: It was ruled you cannot summon the Nyannyan, because the timing of "and if you do," Nyannyan is being sent the GY at the same time, it was not in the graveyard at the time of Jiji's summoning (until the summoning is complete, it is still being sent). always ask ur head judge.
Thanks for the ruling updates Tom. These are quickly becoming one of my favorite UA-cam series and I’m in the process of watching all past ones so I can help my playgroup better understand the game :)
Love the rulings series Tom, you are doing gods work out here. I think they're so good you should compile all the rulings videos into a playlist on your channel for your viewers convenience.
[LONG COMMENT INCOMING] I have a question on another deck that came out of the same set as VW, Dual Avatar. More specifically, DA Invitation and its interactions with Token Collector and Law of the Normal. It confuses me a bit. I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but the "ruling" (Invitation) I've read on a couple of sites stated that the discard and summoning of tokens happens at the same time. I get that, but It confuses me when the rest of the card's effect implies that it's not yet resolved until either 1 fusion is summoned or player says otherwise. Taking rulings from judges about Token Collector, when do I activate Token Collector here? Law of the Normal gets me too, because, again, Invitation's effect implies that it's not resolved until the initial fusion or player says that they don't want to summon a fusion (I'm guessing the latter is where LotN would come in).
Hello everyone here. Fellow judge here confirming TomBox ruling is correct based on the recently uploaded OCG ruling regarding this interaction. Whether you think one way or the other it will NOT trigger due to the official ruling. TCG follows all OCG official rulings since the TCG usually DOESN'T make official rulings unless the cards do not exist in the OCG obviously. You can ask your head judge, but if they are holding true to appropriate rulings they will follow the official ruling.
Just checked you are correct sir i will post a link to that ruling for you. www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja
Just from the OCG ruling that's been posted here in other comments: -Because the two effects activate simultaneously, since Nyannyan was not in the graveyard at the moment of Jiji's effect activation, she is not allowed to be summoned. -Whereas for Laolao, one effect happens before the other, so you can special summon Laolao and another Virtual World monster, THEN activate Nyannyana to summon her.
If you got vfd and chuche. Lets say you have not fired off the vfd effect yet. Your opponent activates dark ruler no more. Are you allowed to chain link 2 chuche and cl 3 vfd and still get it to trigger? From my understanding this works against droplets.
So im not an expert on rulings or have any previous examples to compare this to but i will try to explain in the way that i understand. Nyannyan is sent to the graveyard via Jijis effect and Jiji is summoned simultaneously. Once the effect has resolved fully then the card has been successfully summoned yeah? Well Nyannyan is in GY at the time Jijis summon resolves so Nyannyan has the ability to activate its effect? Im having difficulty understanding why it wouldnt work that way since Nyannyans effect can activate at the resolution of a lv3 being successfully summoned. I dont have any judging experience. And im sure i used Jargan and not official terms to describe what i tried to explain above so im not going to say youre definitively wrong but just that i believe youre wrong. I watched a few of the singapore feature matches that featured VW and they made this play and no one said much about it so im going to keep using Nyannyan this way until an official ruling is announced. Edit: there is an official ruling announced actually that i wasnt aware of. Nyannyan will not trigger according to the OCG. Link for ruling: www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja
@@niccoloromano1969 its just another combo deck except it can make Calamities faster and more efficiently than any deck before it. You have every right to already hate it.
@@animefreak2438 The reasoning has everything to do with Simultaneous summon and send to grave, although you resolve them in a sequence the action are consider to have happened at the same time. yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514 This article is pretty clear on it. If we go by the official conjunctions, technically under the conjunction timing, "Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time." The hits the graveyard at the same time as the summon, then according to that same resolution timeline, it was NOT in the graveyard when the summon occurred therefore the trigger was not met.
The reasoning has everything to do with Simultaneous summon and send to grave, although you resolve them in a sequence the action are consider to have happened at the same time. yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514 This article is pretty clear on it. If we go by the official conjunctions, the physical location of the card is not relevant for the trigger case, technically under the conjunction timing, "Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time." I see your edit: yah ocg officially cannot do it for the reasons I have also mentioned...
If I use chu vw trap and target a face up card on field and that face up target is no longer on field do I still get to shuffle back 2 vw cards in my banish back into my deck? Since we have to try and resolve as much as possible. Please help lol thanks
Hi dude, I have a question about VW - Shenshen. The first line of it's text says 'Any card send from the field to the GY is banished instead.' Is this possible to negate that effect? Had a discussion with a friend about this line, saying that it was like a condition and an activated effect. So cards like Cyber Dragon Infinity won't work. What's your opinion?
It is a continuous effect. It can be negated by using effect veiler, impermanence, forbidden chalice, skill drain. Stuff that negates the effect of cards. You cannot use cyber dragon infinity because that negates the activation of cards/effects. Continuous effects do not activate.
Actually had an interesting ruling come up, and I was p sure I had the right idea, on it, but I'm not 100%. So, if Avendread Savior attacks and would send, say, Glow-Up Bloom to GY with its "during damage calc" effect, when can you trigger Bloom's effect to banish and add/special from deck? I assumed you would trigger it during the End of Damage sub step, as per Konami's own damage step chart, those optional trigger effects that move locations cannot trigger in the During Damage Calc sub step, nor is it on the chart to trigger during the After Damage Calc sub step. I was pretty sure your (amazing) Battle Phase video from awhile back clarified this too, but I just wanted to double check, as I saw a similar question on a reddit post with one person completely asserting that this happens "During Damage Calc", which just makes no sense to me, as Konami even spells it out on their damage step chart that the only effects that can happen then are ones that specifically state "During damage calculation" lol. Thanks Tombox!!
So, big question: if you normal summon a nyannyan and activate your lulu's effect, targeting nyannyan to special summon, when my opponent chains book of moon, targeting nyannyan, and nyannyan is now in face down defense position, would lulu's effect still resolve and special summon herself?
(GREEN)If a Level 3 monster(s) is Normal or Special Summoned to your field while this card is in your GY (except during the Damage Step):(CHAIN START)(RED) You can Special Summon this card as a Tuner, but banish it when it leaves the field, (BLUE)also for the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon Level/Rank 3 or higher monsters. (GREEN)If this card is banished: (CHAIN START)(RED)You can target 1 of your other banished cards, shuffle it into the Deck.(BLUE) You can only use each effect of "Virtual World Hime - Nyannyan" once per turn. img.yugioh-card.com/uk/gameplay/detail.php?id=766
I would love clarity on the zeus summon requirements. A monster is considered to not have battled if their attack was negated or cancelled by a replay yet I still see people making zeus after a replay occurred and they did not attack during the replay.
Nyannyan is a GY trigger the hand has nothing to do with Nyannyan the comparison people make is that gazelle can activate from hand why can't Nyannyan activate from gy
Excuse me, I want to ask about some prank kids ruling. While I'm first and there is prank kids place on the field, I normal summon prank kids dropsies and turn it into link 1 meow meow, can I chain link 1 prank kids dropsies and chain link 2 prank kids place while my opponent don't have any monster? And another question, can I resolve any prank kids monster effect but I don't special summon another prank kids monster? Thank you
Another question Tom, could you give me a short explanation about chain blocking? Because I played prank kids deck and there is chain block mechanism on this deck. But my friend told me that there is no such a chain blocking because everytime you declare a chain, you need to ask your opponent are they gonna respond it or not. Thank you
@@adityabebek1075 chain blocking is a slang term players use when the player has multiple trigger effects occuring at the same time in the new chain. Key note trigger effects. Say when you link summon into bow wow with dropsie and lampsie. Dropsie and lampsie both activate... you form the chains Because they are both trigger you can choose which one to activate as cl1 and cl2... Cl1 will be blocked by cl2. Chain blocking refers to the monsters in those lower chain links that cannot be responded to anymore by a quick effect or direct negation.
I have a question regarding another simultaneous eff: dragoon vs secure gardna. If I use dragoon eff to pop one “and if you” inflict damage on secure gardna, will dragoon inflict 1000 damage? I thought no, because dragoon says “and if you do” between pop and inflict damage, but this situation was ruled in this way: since technically there is an instant which Garda is no more on the field, so it’s continuous eff to protect once per turn from any damage, dragoon will be able to inflict 1000 damage. What’s your opinion about that situation?
The damage happens as soon as the monster hits the graveyard. So yes you take damage because it’s no longer on the field. The difference with battle damage is that battle damage happens before the monster hits the grave
@@xatuyou8045 I’m not making a comparison between effect and battle damage, I’m referring only on effect damage. Since dragoon says: “During your Main Phase: You can destroy 1 monster your opponent controls, AND IF YOU DO, inflict damage to your opponent equal to that monster's original ATK.” this means that popping and burn happen simultaneously (as PSCT rules), so why is dragoon able to inflict damage? Ok that Dragoon checks the gy in order to inflicts damage equal to original atk and there is an instant where gardna is no more on the field and its continuous eff is no more applied, but PSCT says that “and if you do “ mean simultaneous actions. Ok that dragoon has this conjunction because a non simultaneous conjunction would be worst (this would mean that dragoon would be able to stop “when” effects regardless the fact that they could be lose time).
Can someone confirm i understood the explanation for hand/graveyard ruling with gazelle. Because you can't technically confirm if the card was in the hand when it activated because you don't know your opponents hand, its allowed to activate where as the graveyard is public knowledge, you can confirm the card wasn't there for the effect. I assume this is true if your opponent hand is empty and gazelle is added, eventhough both players know its the only card, the private knowledge rule allows it to go off.
Private knowledge cards often do not have strict requirements to confirm when they have been acquired to meet the trigger condition. If the condition is met in the previous chain and u have a legal card in hand that can activate due to the previous occurrences of the last chain, then you can activate it, even if the card wasn't in your hand when the trigger occured but ended up in your hand by the end of the chain.
I think that, NyanNyan can trigger. Because she's sent to the graveyard Before the summon, technically, since Jiji only Special Summons itself after a card is sent to the Graveyard(And if you do). I think that the only reason this is a problem is because of Timeline, "And if you do" is treated as happening at the same time, when it really shouldn't be. Since you can chain a card to the activation of that effect, and cause the effect to fizzle out. As stated in the excerpt you showed us. If, for example, Jiji target's a Spell Card, at this point in the chain you can chain, for example Macro Cosmos. Jiji will then attempt to send a Nyan Nyan to the graveyard, Nyan Nyan doesn't hit the graveyard and therefore the part "And if you do." cannot be fulfilled. Jiji doesn't get summoned because it can't fulfil the "And if you do." There's probably more examples but i feel as though in this case Nyan Nyan should be able to activate. The term "And if you do." shouldn't be counted as a "Sametime" for Timeline but Past Tense when deciding Chain's and Causation, that makes it far more confusing than it needs to be. It should simply mean that, in Jiji's case, Nyan Nyan is in the graveyard when Jiji is Special Summoned and if Nyan Nyan is prevented from hitting the graveyard(By Macro Cosmos), that Jiji cannot special summon. That's way simpler and i can already hear people calling "Judge" all over the place because of this ruling.
Hey tomm so folling the same rulling with laolao and nyanyan if under skill drain laolao will get to summon him self but does he gets to use the effect to reborn ?
www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja Heres a link to the ocg ruling about this interaction. Tombox is actually correct even though i certainly thought he was wrong at first
The card texts are the "rules", by knowing about "Problem Solving Card Text" and "SEGOC" you will be fine. Just read the cards carefully and learn how they interact with each other.
I just like watching the videos and as much as i appreciate the giveaways i just don't wanna look for codes i just want to watch the videos and it's a reason I personally stopped trying the giveaways.
I mentioned this ruling in my deck profile and quite a few people told me yes it can and i explained it in my comment section the way you did now they see i was right
When you activate a card or effect: Make sure the green part (before the colon) is being followed. Do the part in red (before the semicolon) if there is any. After that, other cards and effects can be chained in response. If there’s a chain, you don’t do your card’s effects (blue, after the colon / semicolon) until the chain resolves, in backwards order, like this: If you chain jiji to nyan nyan the effects resolve in reverse thus the reborn effect of the card is active and the summoning conditions are met nothing actually happens simultaneously in yugioh unless there is a ruling or the card says so.
I'm not going to disagree with how things work, conditions, activation etc . You say nothing is simultaneous, but the official conjunctions page makes it blatantly obvious that does matter. yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514 As simultaneously (consider the same time) matters for many trigger based effects. The whole argument is based on can Nyannyan trigger if it was sent to the GY if it was simultaneously put there when the summon happened. Argument 2: is the physicality of the card being there before even though the effect is considered at the same time. There is no argument that it is simultaneous, that is a fact. It's whether or not it can trigger based on the physical sequence of the card. When the Nyannyan is sent to the gym, and if you do, special summon the JIji...
@@MSTTV 1# I agree with what you posted and in contrast, Jiji can resolve based on Konami 's then argument weather there is a monster in the gy 2#AND IF YOU DO: Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time. Causation: A is required for B, but NOT vice-versa. If A does not happen, then stop. If B cannot happen, you still do A. 3#But Timing: After this card resolves, the last thing that a monster was special summoned. The last thing was NOT a monster being sent to the GY. Thus in order of my chain argument with your conjunction argument it still happens.
@@brandanjohnson9541 #3 The last thing that happened was not the summon nor the send to grave, is the THEN, part of the conjunction to do the specified effect. But if there wasn't a Then part, the last thing that happened was BOTH Monster being special summoned AND the card being sent to the graveyard. In terms of timing window. This is something that does have precedent from Spore, all the way True King, Ido and Lycoris. You can torrential when these monsters are summoned and they summon first "and if you do" apply 2nd part of the effect. Both effects are part of the same resolution at the same time. In that case, Nyannyan in the resolution timing hits the graveyard at the same time as the summon.
@@brandanjohnson9541 I'm Tombox ^^ (on my personal account) At this very moment I would rule it cannot, because I respect the timeline and conjunction precedents already set. There no reason why we should go against it. And if you do is a conjunction that is simultaneous , thus the card was not there before hand but sent in at the same time. Even if the physical performance of the card happened before, for the sake of resolving effects, the timing is the same. Or else we would get into situation where someone summons a spore and changes their level and all of a sudden you cannot use torrential tribute. (this one would clearly be incorrect) vs battle fader, which uses the "then" clause to ensure that torrential tribute cannot be activated. The ruling in OCG isn't even new. Tindangle Intruder being sent from deck to grave by Tindangle Jhrelth established this 1 year ago.
Incorrect for the first card. (GREEN) If this card is in your hand: (CHAIN START) (RED) You can target 1 "Virtual World" card you control, send 1 "Virtual World" card of a different type (Monster, Spell, Trap) from your Deck to the GY, and if you do,(BLUE) Special Summon this card, then, during the End Phase of this turn, you can add 1 "Virtual World" monster from your GY to your hand, except "Virtual World Xiezhi - Jiji". (BLUE) For the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon Level/Rank 3 or higher monsters. You can only use this effect of "Virtual World Xiezhi - Jiji" once per turn. img.yugioh-card.com/uk/gameplay/detail.php?id=766
RED zone it's for targeting and costs only, so the moment the card resolves it sends to the gy ( therefore the BLUE zone starts before < send 1 "Virtual World" > )
Please provide reference, or logical argument for this. Also this isn't the first ruling with this in OCG. Sept 19 2019. Tindangles Intruder and Tindangle Jhrelth sends an Tindangle Intruder from deck to GY (as part of the effect), Tindangle intruder cannot activate. The wording on these cards are the same. These are rulings from Sept .19 2019. It makes sense OCG will kept it consistent. We will have an event soon and this will be addressed by tomorrow.
Does not make any sense. The card is being sent as a condition, then the summon happens. Nyan would start a completely different chain link as the card is being sent, then Jiji is being summoned but Nyan isn't part of the same chain. It's not like Black Metal, Striker and Nocto which can all be chained as CL1 CL2 AND CL3.
Hey brother are you familiar with dragonmaids??? I can see you doing a great in depth video . Awesome content man I hope I can get to your level one day .
but i think that “while this card is in your graveyard” is actually key, as you pointed out. since jiji is officially simultaneous, the summon is done at the same time, so the summon is already done once nyannyan hits the gy, so that “while” clause can’t be applied
This is what I dont like about IRL gameplay, you have to keep your eyes on your opponent cuz even the most pro players will turn into cheaters when they getting their ass whooped by an "irrelevant" deck of the format. Then when the judge sides with then why the fuck did I even partake in the event for or traveled or spent money to enter. Like this game is full of cheating bastards when they start to get wrecked and that's my least favorite part about IRL gameplay. I one time had a judge side with a salty bastard and costing me the match when I clearly would have topped... this is what happened I was playing against some cheating fucker with a random mix mashed up deck that had orcust dinos and some other b.s I didn't even play set rotation in my deck neither did he. I had a light stage on my side of the field with a set metaverse he had cleared my board to which I used metaverse to activate mystic mine but he goes like "you cant do that mystic mine Gos to your hand because you already have a field spell on ypur side of the field" to which I look at him like bruh wtf are you talking about metaverse clearly states that I can activate it or choose to add it to my hand so he calls the judge which is some local shop owner who fan girls on magic and knows shit about yugioh and sode with the other fucker costing me the entire match and I had everything I needed to win on my next turn. Shit left a sour taste in my mouth and since then I dont like IRL gameplay would rather play in a simulator where cheating doesn't happen.
Do you have a reference/ precedent to a ruling to why? I haven't seen anyone post one to why it would work, I have only seen ocg reference in the database. I have seen the argument of simultaneous summon and send will not trigger. Is there an reason why people think it does work? 5/5 people all say there is but none post the example.
i do not think this ruling is correct because when you send it is cost therefore the oppo has time to stop the summon of the card sending is the cost and the target would be in grave at resolution I definetly believe this card cannot be chain stacked to a summons due to the fact a summons doesnt start a chain and it would resolve after the successful summons of a monster
Sending isn't the cost, targeting a face-up Virtual World card ist the cost, as shown by the semicolon: "If this card is in your hand: *You can target 1 "Virtual World" card you control;* send 1 "Virtual World" card of a different type (Monster, Spell, Trap) from your Deck to the GY, and if you do, Special Summon this card,..." Source: yugipedia.com/wiki/Virtual_World_Xiezhi_-_Jiji
@@MSTTV www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&keyword=&tag=-1&request_locale=ja i'm just mad because the video could have been shorter. ocg nyannyan doesn't activate.
@@Kaylersick the issue as a judge as that we cannot use ocg rulings as reference so we have to explain it... To the best of our abilities without talking about Ocg.
For the event of Remote Duel Extravaganza Nov: It was ruled you cannot summon the Nyannyan, because the timing of "and if you do," Nyannyan is being sent the GY at the same time, it was not in the graveyard at the time of Jiji's summoning (until the summoning is complete, it is still being sent).
always ask ur head judge.
Thanks for the ruling updates Tom. These are quickly becoming one of my favorite UA-cam series and I’m in the process of watching all past ones so I can help my playgroup better understand the game :)
Love the rulings series Tom, you are doing gods work out here.
I think they're so good you should compile all the rulings videos into a playlist on your channel for your viewers convenience.
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I have a question on another deck that came out of the same set as VW, Dual Avatar. More specifically, DA Invitation and its interactions with Token Collector and Law of the Normal. It confuses me a bit. I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but the "ruling" (Invitation) I've read on a couple of sites stated that the discard and summoning of tokens happens at the same time. I get that, but It confuses me when the rest of the card's effect implies that it's not yet resolved until either 1 fusion is summoned or player says otherwise. Taking rulings from judges about Token Collector, when do I activate Token Collector here? Law of the Normal gets me too, because, again, Invitation's effect implies that it's not resolved until the initial fusion or player says that they don't want to summon a fusion (I'm guessing the latter is where LotN would come in).
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Hello everyone here. Fellow judge here confirming TomBox ruling is correct based on the recently uploaded OCG ruling regarding this interaction. Whether you think one way or the other it will NOT trigger due to the official ruling. TCG follows all OCG official rulings since the TCG usually DOESN'T make official rulings unless the cards do not exist in the OCG obviously. You can ask your head judge, but if they are holding true to appropriate rulings they will follow the official ruling.
Just checked you are correct sir i will post a link to that ruling for you. www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja
You should post a link to the conjunction page, so people who don't fully understand can go look at the page and maybe get a better understanding:)
yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514
So the first ruling came up in my head yesterday, while I was resting, so I'm glad this has been cleared up for me.
Just from the OCG ruling that's been posted here in other comments:
-Because the two effects activate simultaneously, since Nyannyan was not in the graveyard at the moment of Jiji's effect activation, she is not allowed to be summoned.
-Whereas for Laolao, one effect happens before the other, so you can special summon Laolao and another Virtual World monster, THEN activate Nyannyana to summon her.
If you got vfd and chuche. Lets say you have not fired off the vfd effect yet. Your opponent activates dark ruler no more. Are you allowed to chain link 2 chuche and cl 3 vfd and still get it to trigger? From my understanding this works against droplets.
So im not an expert on rulings or have any previous examples to compare this to but i will try to explain in the way that i understand. Nyannyan is sent to the graveyard via Jijis effect and Jiji is summoned simultaneously. Once the effect has resolved fully then the card has been successfully summoned yeah? Well Nyannyan is in GY at the time Jijis summon resolves so Nyannyan has the ability to activate its effect? Im having difficulty understanding why it wouldnt work that way since Nyannyans effect can activate at the resolution of a lv3 being successfully summoned. I dont have any judging experience. And im sure i used Jargan and not official terms to describe what i tried to explain above so im not going to say youre definitively wrong but just that i believe youre wrong. I watched a few of the singapore feature matches that featured VW and they made this play and no one said much about it so im going to keep using Nyannyan this way until an official ruling is announced.
Edit: there is an official ruling announced actually that i wasnt aware of. Nyannyan will not trigger according to the OCG. Link for ruling: www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja
I agree. I dont see why people have a dispute about this
I have yet to play against this deck, but as far as my resarch goes I already hate it.
@@niccoloromano1969 its just another combo deck except it can make Calamities faster and more efficiently than any deck before it. You have every right to already hate it.
@@animefreak2438 The reasoning has everything to do with Simultaneous summon and send to grave, although you resolve them in a sequence the action are consider to have happened at the same time. yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514 This article is pretty clear on it.
If we go by the official conjunctions, technically under the conjunction timing, "Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time."
The hits the graveyard at the same time as the summon, then according to that same resolution timeline, it was NOT in the graveyard when the summon occurred therefore the trigger was not met.
The reasoning has everything to do with Simultaneous summon and send to grave, although you resolve them in a sequence the action are consider to have happened at the same time. yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514 This article is pretty clear on it.
If we go by the official conjunctions, the physical location of the card is not relevant for the trigger case, technically under the conjunction timing, "Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time."
I see your edit: yah ocg officially cannot do it for the reasons I have also mentioned...
If I use chu vw trap and target a face up card on field and that face up target is no longer on field do I still get to shuffle back 2 vw cards in my banish back into my deck? Since we have to try and resolve as much as possible. Please help lol thanks
Hi dude, I have a question about VW - Shenshen. The first line of it's text says 'Any card send from the field to the GY is banished instead.' Is this possible to negate that effect?
Had a discussion with a friend about this line, saying that it was like a condition and an activated effect. So cards like Cyber Dragon Infinity won't work.
What's your opinion?
It is a continuous effect.
It can be negated by using effect veiler, impermanence, forbidden chalice, skill drain. Stuff that negates the effect of cards.
You cannot use cyber dragon infinity because that negates the activation of cards/effects. Continuous effects do not activate.
The term "grace period" is going to get overused and misrepresented by the community now... Time for another update video soon...
Its not a "grace period" its literally just a mechanic of hand trigger
Should I even bother showing my head judge this when it's relevant or just go with their "ruling"?
Go with head judge, they have final say. You can argue but it won't change their decision if it already has been made especially mid event
Actually had an interesting ruling come up, and I was p sure I had the right idea, on it, but I'm not 100%.
So, if Avendread Savior attacks and would send, say, Glow-Up Bloom to GY with its "during damage calc" effect, when can you trigger Bloom's effect to banish and add/special from deck? I assumed you would trigger it during the End of Damage sub step, as per Konami's own damage step chart, those optional trigger effects that move locations cannot trigger in the During Damage Calc sub step, nor is it on the chart to trigger during the After Damage Calc sub step.
I was pretty sure your (amazing) Battle Phase video from awhile back clarified this too, but I just wanted to double check, as I saw a similar question on a reddit post with one person completely asserting that this happens "During Damage Calc", which just makes no sense to me, as Konami even spells it out on their damage step chart that the only effects that can happen then are ones that specifically state "During damage calculation" lol. Thanks Tombox!!
So, big question: if you normal summon a nyannyan and activate your lulu's effect, targeting nyannyan to special summon, when my opponent chains book of moon, targeting nyannyan, and nyannyan is now in face down defense position, would lulu's effect still resolve and special summon herself?
If your hand is being revealed & you pitch a salamangreat for cynet mining to search gazelle, is the gazelle still able to trigger?
(GREEN)If a Level 3 monster(s) is Normal or Special Summoned to your field while this card is in your GY (except during the Damage Step):(CHAIN START)(RED) You can Special Summon this card as a Tuner, but banish it when it leaves the field, (BLUE)also for the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon Level/Rank 3 or higher monsters. (GREEN)If this card is banished: (CHAIN START)(RED)You can target 1 of your other banished cards, shuffle it into the Deck.(BLUE) You can only use each effect of "Virtual World Hime - Nyannyan" once per turn.
img.yugioh-card.com/uk/gameplay/detail.php?id=766
I would love clarity on the zeus summon requirements. A monster is considered to not have battled if their attack was negated or cancelled by a replay yet I still see people making zeus after a replay occurred and they did not attack during the replay.
Negated is no.
As for replay, I need to look that up.
No it has not battled, to have battled it must reach damage calc. It's apparently in the rule book
Check OCG ruling. I think they talked about this on a posting from 11/09/2020. What you said about Jiji with Nyannyan should be correct.
So If the hand is public information (by effect i.e. - The Eye of Truth) then would Virtual World - Nyannyan activate when sent by Lulu/Jiji?
Nyannyan is a GY trigger the hand has nothing to do with Nyannyan the comparison people make is that gazelle can activate from hand why can't Nyannyan activate from gy
When i did the combo on EDOPro, Nyannyan was summoned so now im confused.
Because Edopro is wrong!!! Not always
But they are wrong on that one.
Excuse me, I want to ask about some prank kids ruling.
While I'm first and there is prank kids place on the field, I normal summon prank kids dropsies and turn it into link 1 meow meow, can I chain link 1 prank kids dropsies and chain link 2 prank kids place while my opponent don't have any monster?
And another question, can I resolve any prank kids monster effect but I don't special summon another prank kids monster?
Thank you
You cannot use the effect of Prank Kids place in this scenario as it results in no effect.
Yes you can, because the summoning effect is optional..
Ooh okay, thank you for the answers
Another question Tom, could you give me a short explanation about chain blocking? Because I played prank kids deck and there is chain block mechanism on this deck. But my friend told me that there is no such a chain blocking because everytime you declare a chain, you need to ask your opponent are they gonna respond it or not.
Thank you
@@adityabebek1075 chain blocking is a slang term players use when the player has multiple trigger effects occuring at the same time in the new chain. Key note trigger effects.
Say when you link summon into bow wow with dropsie and lampsie. Dropsie and lampsie both activate... you form the chains
Because they are both trigger you can choose which one to activate as cl1 and cl2... Cl1 will be blocked by cl2.
Chain blocking refers to the monsters in those lower chain links that cannot be responded to anymore by a quick effect or direct negation.
Question can virtual world nyannyan graveyard effect by pass skill drain if it was alrdy active on the field
Read skill drain... Skill drain doesn't affect Gy
@@MSTTV I meant when virtual world nyannyan is summon by it effect to be a tuner while skill drain been activated
Can Naturia Beast activate if Herald of the Arc Light is on the field?
No. Can't send anything for cost.
I have a question regarding another simultaneous eff: dragoon vs secure gardna.
If I use dragoon eff to pop one “and if you” inflict damage on secure gardna, will dragoon inflict 1000 damage?
I thought no, because dragoon says “and if you do” between pop and inflict damage, but this situation was ruled in this way: since technically there is an instant which Garda is no more on the field, so it’s continuous eff to protect once per turn from any damage, dragoon will be able to inflict 1000 damage.
What’s your opinion about that situation?
The damage happens as soon as the monster hits the graveyard. So yes you take damage because it’s no longer on the field. The difference with battle damage is that battle damage happens before the monster hits the grave
@@xatuyou8045 I’m not making a comparison between effect and battle damage, I’m referring only on effect damage.
Since dragoon says: “During your Main Phase: You can destroy 1 monster your opponent controls, AND IF YOU DO, inflict damage to your opponent equal to that monster's original ATK.” this means that popping and burn happen simultaneously (as PSCT rules), so why is dragoon able to inflict damage?
Ok that Dragoon checks the gy in order to inflicts damage equal to original atk and there is an instant where gardna is no more on the field and its continuous eff is no more applied, but PSCT says that “and if you do “ mean simultaneous actions.
Ok that dragoon has this conjunction because a non simultaneous conjunction would be worst (this would mean that dragoon would be able to stop “when” effects regardless the fact that they could be lose time).
Can someone confirm i understood the explanation for hand/graveyard ruling with gazelle.
Because you can't technically confirm if the card was in the hand when it activated because you don't know your opponents hand, its allowed to activate where as the graveyard is public knowledge, you can confirm the card wasn't there for the effect.
I assume this is true if your opponent hand is empty and gazelle is added, eventhough both players know its the only card, the private knowledge rule allows it to go off.
Private knowledge cards often do not have strict requirements to confirm when they have been acquired to meet the trigger condition.
If the condition is met in the previous chain and u have a legal card in hand that can activate due to the previous occurrences of the last chain,
then you can activate it, even if the card wasn't in your hand when the trigger occured but ended up in your hand by the end of the chain.
Very well explained as ever!
Hahahaha good morning tombox making videos before his breakfast and there still grate
I think that, NyanNyan can trigger. Because she's sent to the graveyard Before the summon, technically, since Jiji only Special Summons itself after a card is sent to the Graveyard(And if you do).
I think that the only reason this is a problem is because of Timeline, "And if you do" is treated as happening at the same time, when it really shouldn't be. Since you can chain a card to the activation of that effect, and cause the effect to fizzle out. As stated in the excerpt you showed us.
If, for example, Jiji target's a Spell Card, at this point in the chain you can chain, for example Macro Cosmos. Jiji will then attempt to send a Nyan Nyan to the graveyard, Nyan Nyan doesn't hit the graveyard and therefore the part "And if you do." cannot be fulfilled. Jiji doesn't get summoned because it can't fulfil the "And if you do."
There's probably more examples but i feel as though in this case Nyan Nyan should be able to activate. The term "And if you do." shouldn't be counted as a "Sametime" for Timeline but Past Tense when deciding Chain's and Causation, that makes it far more confusing than it needs to be. It should simply mean that, in Jiji's case, Nyan Nyan is in the graveyard when Jiji is Special Summoned and if Nyan Nyan is prevented from hitting the graveyard(By Macro Cosmos), that Jiji cannot special summon. That's way simpler and i can already hear people calling "Judge" all over the place because of this ruling.
I agree or else jiji would never resolve making it a normal card not a effect card
Hey tomm so folling the same rulling with laolao and nyanyan if under skill drain laolao will get to summon him self but does he gets to use the effect to reborn ?
It should be able to reborn, since all the VW monsters activate in the hand and skill drain only negates on field effects.
Yes, it can it is all part of the hand effect!
@@MSTTV if u used nyanyan as a synchro material to summon a synchro virtual world can she bring her self outv
Hey mst.tv can you use VW trap in grave to make lulu a level 0 and then use it and croc for cloudcastle , it's a play I use for bricked hands
No monster can be reduced to 0 so no
@@MSTTV thanks , won a few games with that so......
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Good knowledge to have thanks
How can official judges disagree on something? Aren't there official rulings in cases that are causing confusion? (casual player here)
They disagree in the judge FB groups.
There is so far 1 event that played with the rulings of VW and that sets an event precedent. But it may different event to event.
I mean konami made the cards. Did this get overlook by their r&d department. Konami should jump in and clear out for everybody
www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&request_locale=ja
Heres a link to the ocg ruling about this interaction. Tombox is actually correct even though i certainly thought he was wrong at first
Konami as a company did not overlook this. Ocg is already addressed
I agree with you. I tried this out on EdoPro and it never let me summon Nianiang from the grave when i sent it there using zhizhi effect..
You should never use edopro for ruling logic lmao.
Never use edopro for ruling logic
The official ruling in the OCG is that nyannyan needs to already be in the GY.
does anyone know where I can read all the rules besides the rule book you get with your structure decks lol
yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514
This here is Konami's post on conjunctions.
The card texts are the "rules", by knowing about "Problem Solving Card Text" and "SEGOC" you will be fine.
Just read the cards carefully and learn how they interact with each other.
I also recommend the fast effect timing chart.
Thank you! I appreciate it
I kinda am interested in this since I hear so many people talk about it.
I just like watching the videos and as much as i appreciate the giveaways i just don't wanna look for codes i just want to watch the videos and it's a reason I personally stopped trying the giveaways.
Appreciate it :D
I mentioned this ruling in my deck profile and quite a few people told me yes it can and i explained it in my comment section the way you did now they see i was right
When you activate a card or effect:
Make sure the green part (before the colon) is being followed.
Do the part in red (before the semicolon) if there is any.
After that, other cards and effects can be chained in response. If there’s a chain, you don’t do your card’s effects (blue, after the colon / semicolon) until the chain resolves, in backwards order, like this:
If you chain jiji to nyan nyan the effects resolve in reverse thus the reborn effect of the card is active and the summoning conditions are met nothing actually happens simultaneously in yugioh unless there is a ruling or the card says so.
I'm not going to disagree with how things work, conditions, activation etc .
You say nothing is simultaneous, but the official conjunctions page makes it blatantly obvious that does matter.
yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514
As simultaneously (consider the same time) matters for many trigger based effects.
The whole argument is based on can Nyannyan trigger if it was sent to the GY if it was simultaneously put there when the summon happened.
Argument 2: is the physicality of the card being there before even though the effect is considered at the same time.
There is no argument that it is simultaneous, that is a fact. It's whether or not it can trigger based on the physical sequence of the card.
When the Nyannyan is sent to the gym, and if you do, special summon the JIji...
@@MSTTV
1# I agree with what you posted and in contrast, Jiji can resolve based on Konami 's then argument weather there is a monster in the gy
2#AND IF YOU DO:
Timeline: Considered simultaneous. Both happen at the same time.
Causation: A is required for B, but NOT vice-versa. If A does not happen, then stop. If B cannot happen, you still do A.
3#But Timing: After this card resolves, the last thing that a monster was special summoned. The last thing was NOT a monster being sent to the GY.
Thus in order of my chain argument with your conjunction argument it still happens.
@@brandanjohnson9541 #3 The last thing that happened was not the summon nor the send to grave, is the THEN, part of the conjunction to do the specified effect.
But if there wasn't a Then part, the last thing that happened was BOTH Monster being special summoned AND the card being sent to the graveyard.
In terms of timing window. This is something that does have precedent from Spore, all the way True King, Ido and Lycoris. You can torrential when these monsters are summoned and they summon first "and if you do" apply 2nd part of the effect. Both effects are part of the same resolution at the same time.
In that case, Nyannyan in the resolution timing hits the graveyard at the same time as the summon.
@@thomascheung8545 So what would you rule. Precedent or current? Illegal or legal?
@@brandanjohnson9541 I'm Tombox ^^ (on my personal account) At this very moment I would rule it cannot, because I respect the timeline and conjunction precedents already set. There no reason why we should go against it. And if you do is a conjunction that is simultaneous , thus the card was not there before hand but sent in at the same time. Even if the physical performance of the card happened before, for the sake of resolving effects, the timing is the same.
Or else we would get into situation where someone summons a spore and changes their level and all of a sudden you cannot use torrential tribute. (this one would clearly be incorrect) vs battle fader, which uses the "then" clause to ensure that torrential tribute cannot be activated.
The ruling in OCG isn't even new. Tindangle Intruder being sent from deck to grave by Tindangle Jhrelth established this 1 year ago.
Incorrect for the first card.
(GREEN) If this card is in your hand: (CHAIN START) (RED) You can target 1 "Virtual World" card you control, send 1 "Virtual World" card of a different type (Monster, Spell, Trap) from your Deck to the GY, and if you do,(BLUE) Special Summon this card, then, during the End Phase of this turn, you can add 1 "Virtual World" monster from your GY to your hand, except "Virtual World Xiezhi - Jiji". (BLUE) For the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon Level/Rank 3 or higher monsters. You can only use this effect of "Virtual World Xiezhi - Jiji" once per turn.
img.yugioh-card.com/uk/gameplay/detail.php?id=766
RED zone it's for targeting and costs only, so the moment the card resolves it sends to the gy ( therefore the BLUE zone starts before < send 1 "Virtual World" > )
@@TheXProGamerHD thanks for the correctioni tried to edit my comment but it wouldn't work. I corrected it on the other one.
I agree with your virtual world ruling that’s what I was thinking as well
Yes, you can summon nyan nyan when you send it to gy with,jiji :)
Please provide reference, or logical argument for this.
Also this isn't the first ruling with this in OCG. Sept 19 2019. Tindangles Intruder and Tindangle Jhrelth sends an Tindangle Intruder from deck to GY (as part of the effect), Tindangle intruder cannot activate. The wording on these cards are the same. These are rulings from Sept .19 2019. It makes sense OCG will kept it consistent.
We will have an event soon and this will be addressed by tomorrow.
I will concede this argument if Remote Duel Extravaganza, allows it, OR I will confirm I was right based on tomorrow's event.
Does not make any sense. The card is being sent as a condition, then the summon happens. Nyan would start a completely different chain link as the card is being sent, then Jiji is being summoned but Nyan isn't part of the same chain. It's not like Black Metal, Striker and Nocto which can all be chained as CL1 CL2 AND CL3.
Yeah I agree with you I dont think you can send it then summon it with the VW that sent it to the gy simultaneously
Hey brother are you familiar with dragonmaids??? I can see you doing a great in depth video . Awesome content man I hope I can get to your level one day .
Tom pleaseeee make a non budget version of virtual world😭❤
I'll consider it.
I'm on your team with this ruling video
Also...I reading it said while this card is in the grave. Gazelle didn't say while it is.
so what’s the next thing to do here? just wait for konami to drop an official statement?
but i think that “while this card is in your graveyard” is actually key, as you pointed out. since jiji is officially simultaneous, the summon is done at the same time, so the summon is already done once nyannyan hits the gy, so that “while” clause can’t be applied
This is what I dont like about IRL gameplay, you have to keep your eyes on your opponent cuz even the most pro players will turn into cheaters when they getting their ass whooped by an "irrelevant" deck of the format. Then when the judge sides with then why the fuck did I even partake in the event for or traveled or spent money to enter. Like this game is full of cheating bastards when they start to get wrecked and that's my least favorite part about IRL gameplay. I one time had a judge side with a salty bastard and costing me the match when I clearly would have topped... this is what happened I was playing against some cheating fucker with a random mix mashed up deck that had orcust dinos and some other b.s I didn't even play set rotation in my deck neither did he. I had a light stage on my side of the field with a set metaverse he had cleared my board to which I used metaverse to activate mystic mine but he goes like "you cant do that mystic mine Gos to your hand because you already have a field spell on ypur side of the field" to which I look at him like bruh wtf are you talking about metaverse clearly states that I can activate it or choose to add it to my hand so he calls the judge which is some local shop owner who fan girls on magic and knows shit about yugioh and sode with the other fucker costing me the entire match and I had everything I needed to win on my next turn. Shit left a sour taste in my mouth and since then I dont like IRL gameplay would rather play in a simulator where cheating doesn't happen.
If you say it happens at the same time it should trigger
What Yu-Gi-Oh! deck do you think Kirito & Asuna would use?
effects resolve where they are activated
You have my permission
Not like this will matter once VFD is banned :^)
why would they ban VFD? that card is literally a non issue outside of casual play
@@yibuu2 This did not age well
I really don't see why this wouldn't work like in the OCG
Ocg has slightly different rulings that makes a big difference.
@@WShoup9818 none of their rulings differ in cases like these.
Yeah, I agree this should be parallel with the gy eff of diabolos.
I’m Early 👌
Definitely think you’re wrong. Will ask head judges until a more official ruling comes out
Do you have a reference/ precedent to a ruling to why? I haven't seen anyone post one to why it would work,
I have only seen ocg reference in the database.
I have seen the argument of simultaneous summon and send will not trigger.
Is there an reason why people think it does work? 5/5 people all say there is but none post the example.
Why do you need to ask a HJ if YOU think he is wrong? Just tell WHY you think it's wrong?
i do not think this ruling is correct because when you send it is cost therefore the oppo has time to stop the summon of the card sending is the cost and the target would be in grave at resolution I definetly believe this card cannot be chain stacked to a summons due to the fact a summons doesnt start a chain and it would resolve after the successful summons of a monster
Sending isn't the cost, targeting a face-up Virtual World card ist the cost, as shown by the semicolon:
"If this card is in your hand: *You can target 1 "Virtual World" card you control;* send 1 "Virtual World" card of a different type (Monster, Spell, Trap) from your Deck to the GY, and if you do, Special Summon this card,..."
Source:
yugipedia.com/wiki/Virtual_World_Xiezhi_-_Jiji
Not a cost
Nyannyan misses timing i believe but im open to correction.
Nope it's an "if" not a "when".
Even I know that ruling because that would be way too broken so why not have other virtual machines Nyan and then you can normal summon jiji 🤷
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glad your not a judge
I am a judge, see you at the Extravaganza.
@@MSTTV from the intro it didn't sound like it, clarify better
@@Kaylersick any judge making videos will always say ask your head judge because head judge has the final verdict for the event that is running.
@@MSTTV www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=23126&keyword=&tag=-1&request_locale=ja i'm just mad because the video could have been shorter. ocg nyannyan doesn't activate.
@@Kaylersick the issue as a judge as that we cannot use ocg rulings as reference so we have to explain it... To the best of our abilities without talking about Ocg.