I Went For A TOTALLY UNBIAS Driver/Shaft Fitting And IT SHOCKED ME!

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  • @robembly8693
    @robembly8693 Місяць тому +34

    With 300 shafts hanging on the wall and he used the same shaft in every head. James liked the Titleist best feel wise so start switching shafts to get that spin rate down.

  • @papab3272
    @papab3272 Місяць тому +10

    I'm sure you're already aware of this James but if you just get your attack angle up a few degrees you'll drop your spin considerably and pick up at least 20yds. It might be as simple as a higher tee and moving the ball forward a bit as your swing is very good.

    • @atamagashock
      @atamagashock Місяць тому +1

      No doubt, he was living in that 0-2 on hus attack angle. Even if he reversed it and got it between 0+2, he see a big change. The last ball he hit was his best and he was -0.4. If he was at +2 that would have been over 300

  • @stephendibari5010
    @stephendibari5010 Місяць тому +6

    Titleist rules. last year i was custom fit for TSR3 with a HZDRS Red CB, 6.0 50 gram shaft, best driver/shaft for me ever. certainly not changing anytime soon, at least for 3-4 years

  • @tonyblackwood5524
    @tonyblackwood5524 Місяць тому +6

    Was there last week…great experience but my own driver couldn’t be beaten. The fitter asked if I could top a few to give him a chance, Because of his honesty and explanations I will be making an appointment for a hybrid and wood fitting. Thanks SGGT

  • @paulhughes1419
    @paulhughes1419 Місяць тому +1

    I had a driver fitting with SGGT in Edinburgh last month and it was easily the best fitting I've ever had. I had no preferences going in except I didn't want a Ping. I picked SGGT because you can try any shaft and head brand. It's a massive selection. They fitted the shaft first. After about 7 different shafts I picked out the Accra GX 250 Green, not the fitter (I see some people saying it's always Accra with fitters but it really was the best feeling shaft for me and we tried it against 5 other brands). Loved it. We then went through 7 or 8 different heads. I liked the Titleist 2 and 3 but .... I couldn't argue with numbers on the Ping G430. I gained 20 yrds that I've now seen replicated on the course but more importantly the dispersion was so much better than the Sim2 I was switching from. They send you a video and the trackman data the fitting to trawl through. I think the fact no stone was left unturned because they don't favour any single brand and you can analyise how you hit each afterwards gives a real confidence that you've ended up with the best the option. From then on, if you hit a bad one you know it's you and not the driver - so, that helps in a way as well. Finally, they have a shaft pureing machine which finds the best orientation of the shaft when they build your club. How much marginal effect that has I don't know but what I do know is it's easily the best feeling, best performing driver I've ever owned. I'll definitely be going back for an iron fitting soon.

  • @grahamwhiteley334
    @grahamwhiteley334 Місяць тому +14

    Unless some content was cut out I was a little surprised you didn’t try more shaft combos with the Titleist head, especially given some of the spin numbers….?

  • @jasondeuce4444
    @jasondeuce4444 Місяць тому +4

    Been nice to see you hit, srixon, Mizuno, Tour Edge some of budget friendly drivers with the big boyz

  • @WilliamWright-hf8ob
    @WilliamWright-hf8ob Місяць тому +8

    ACRRA's for everybody !!! nothing you can do with being fit into 2024 model heads but this is the exact complaint about fitters in my area pushing Accra shafts which are said to have the largest profit for the fitter, now they do make nice shafts but what fitter wouldn't have you hit some from the Ventus Velocore line the most popular shaft over the last 5 years in the Titleist and a Counter Balanced shaft of another make in the Ping because of how much heavier the Ping Head is, even a Auto Flex with the head weight set properly for that shaft as they are very sensitive to this and James I wrote this not to be negative towards you or your Videos ,I watch them everyday and like them very much , its more for that golfer that has never been fit and would think this is a proper fitting which imo it is not , maybe all the other shafts were edited out but it didn't look like that.

  • @steven-gerrard
    @steven-gerrard Місяць тому +14

    7 left path good luck trying to make a shaft head combo do much with that. Come on James lets see a series of you improving your swing.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому +13

      I wish I had time currently mate. Lots of comments asking this. But young family and running businesses doesn’t lead to weekly golf
      Lessons and practice. I do like to think this is a real world fitting tbh with my game as it is at the moment

    • @petekenny3774
      @petekenny3774 Місяць тому

      Go back to the "4 left" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @kevinreid6785
    @kevinreid6785 Місяць тому +7

    never seen a single swing where the attack angle was even 0. if you hit down on it between -0.8 and -2 would that not explain the high spin numbers? and doesn't high spin lose distance...I am obv no club fitter but I thought launch between 12 and 14 and spin 2200 to 2600 was optimum...would it not be better to have a driver lesson to hit up a bit more ?

    • @RaidersGolf19
      @RaidersGolf19 Місяць тому +1

      I certainly agree with you. I took lessons this past year and have really improved my negative attack angle for my wedges through to my fairway wood. Things seem to be getting better and I broke 90 a couple of times to finish the year. But the last few times I’ve gone to a simulator I cannot hit driver! I’m hitting 30 yards less than I used to and my attack angle is -3°. I think you’re bang on. Even when I flush it there’s no distance because the spin is at 4000! Now I need to fix that. 👍🤦‍♂️🤣. Gotta get that attack angle back between zero and 2°. 👍

  • @DanGranz72
    @DanGranz72 Місяць тому +4

    To me since he has a very repeatable action, I personally would have messed with more shaft brand/flex/weight options to see if there was anything we could find in terms of spin reduction. With his action, he creates a ton of spin, especially on misses and thus costing him yards. Find a couple that were good with feel and numbers, and then test some various heads, head to head with those shafts. Not dogging this lad about the fit and his process at all, everyone has their own way to do it. At the end of the day if the results are good and the club works for the player, that is great.

  • @douglasgardner4004
    @douglasgardner4004 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for showing your numbers during the fitting. Helps to understand why certain combinations don't work for me. I live in +4 attack angle range with a few degrees in to out swing path. Those low spin drivers aren't going to be the happiest with that.

  • @bobzielinski3823
    @bobzielinski3823 Місяць тому +4

    You could get an extra 1O-15 yards out of every driver there if you could hit it straight or put a slight draw on it. Just pissing away yards with that spinning, cut drive flight.

  • @keithivory9145
    @keithivory9145 Місяць тому +2

    I had my very first custom fit for clubs 2 months ago. I went in with the same attitude as you, to be fitted with the best clubs for me. They fitted me for the shaft and then heads. Walk out $6500 less in my pocket but a very nice set of Callaway Apex TI fusion and Titleist GT2 9deg. Just ordered a 56 and 60 deg Takomo wedges.

    • @danielisenhood7086
      @danielisenhood7086 Місяць тому

      Whoa! Keith! Well done mate, which city are you from? They sound like Australian prices 🤣

    • @RaidersGolf19
      @RaidersGolf19 Місяць тому +1

      Wow!!! 🙀

    • @DanB-
      @DanB- Місяць тому +1

      Very curious as to why you would spend $6500 on clubs from a fitting and then just buy some cheap Takomo wedges that you cant get fit for????

    • @keithivory9145
      @keithivory9145 Місяць тому

      @danielisenhood7086 Brisbane, Australia 🇦🇺 not cheap, but they're great to hit.

  • @hadler42
    @hadler42 Місяць тому

    That comment the big fella made about a club golfer turning up and living to play and enjoy golf with your B game because your not playing to your A game every week is the best simple thing I’vee heard. I have never thought of it that way.

  • @paulcoffey5600
    @paulcoffey5600 Місяць тому

    I've been fitted by SGGT and can't recommend them enough. I guess we don't know why James only tried the one shaft, but generally, the fitters understand what works and what doesn't, to a degree. I would say I have always tried a handful of shafts in my fittings with SGGT.

  • @maamold
    @maamold Місяць тому +6

    That was an odd fitting, I'd say more of a big box shop "try this" session.

  • @garyhovey9305
    @garyhovey9305 Місяць тому +7

    Let’s go Tour Edge C725!!!

  • @davidbanks337
    @davidbanks337 Місяць тому

    First time ever fitted for a driver at the end of February and just can't use it.
    Payed £100 extra for the shaft that they recommended 45r. Cobra darkspeed x
    Totally put me off ever going for a fitting again.
    Mid handicapper, is it just all sales and kidologgy!
    Stuck with an expensive club.
    Had 7 break through injury and hoped by getting fit it would help,injury not a cause either.
    Enjoying the video of your fitting though

  • @MarkSamora
    @MarkSamora Місяць тому

    James, you definitely have a lower ball flight with your irons as well as driver and woods. I assume it's for links style courses?

  • @WillSatchwell
    @WillSatchwell Місяць тому +1

    Thats interesting what you say about Titleist and their shaft choices. I have been to two fitting withg them with 2x very different results and i do not think the offerings that Titleist do actually fully suit how good that GT2 & GT3 heads are to the general club player. Having now tried a GT3 in 8 degree with a TPT 18Hi Shaft with stunning results, i truely think more people need to go to the likesof SGGT and get properly fitted.

    • @ultimatejay
      @ultimatejay Місяць тому

      most expensive driver combo here^

  • @333pg333
    @333pg333 Місяць тому

    Have you thought about addressing your out to in swing path? It's quite extreme and obviously you lose a fair bit of distance. Your first move seems to be picking the club up immediately. Still, your fairway stats must be pretty decent. Be interesting to see you on a pressure pad with a good instructor.

  • @ParadymEvents
    @ParadymEvents Місяць тому

    The emphasis should also be on the spin rate. I had issues with high spin and after a great lesson (just one) I was able to reduce the spin rate from 3-4 k to 1800-2200. This made the biggest changes in distance. With the swing speed he has, carry I believe should be better than 260 if the launch angle is prime. I believe he would be better off to control spin, then retake this fitting. Just my opinion.

  • @keithfinley2939
    @keithfinley2939 Місяць тому

    Good stuff! I went the opposite direction. Was in a TSi3, 8° with 55R Tensei Blue raw. Recently switched to a 10°(D1 - 9.25ish) TSr2 with hazrdus black 6.0. Overall performance is actually quite similar but the dreaded "Toe-y dipper" is gone...

  • @jasonj5243
    @jasonj5243 Місяць тому +3

    Ive never been fitted but I would think in the beginning your just warming up and at the end of the fitting your wearing out. So your being fitted on your swing near the halfway point. So some club combos aren't really getting a fair look

  • @paultaylor4614
    @paultaylor4614 Місяць тому

    All fitters are different. True in play has alot to go off of and you did try different heads. I would have messed with the loft alittle more once you found the right feel and look. Again like you mentioned its November new stuff is coming but i still from what i see think you have room for massive improvements😊

  • @gordonmckay914
    @gordonmckay914 Місяць тому +1

    Good video. Good fitting. He listened to what you were doing, asked what you wanted, and guided you through the process to find the best driver for you on that day. Good luck, James. By the way, a fitter can't fix a poor swing. Not you, James

  • @ianburton9223
    @ianburton9223 Місяць тому

    Just a subjective view of the carry and total distances during the video were around the same values 255 carry and 275 total almost regardless of combination of head and shaft. Then the final decision showed better results. All of which, as a mathematician and engineer, lead me to believe that each person has a typical shot learned over many years, and that the technology has only a marginal effect for high quality golfers.
    Looking at this from the other scale of player, can the high handicap golfer make enough identical swings to detect the effect of changes in head and shaft or will the different swings mask the effect of the technology changes?
    I really appreciated the effort you put into this excellent content. Pity you don't know any high handicap golfers that could benefit from the skills shown by the fitter.

  • @kevinbiggs2697
    @kevinbiggs2697 Місяць тому

    I would have been interested to see how the swingweight shifted by just changing those heads on the same shaft too. Like others surprised it was just one shaft through the whole process

  • @SteveFromStockport
    @SteveFromStockport Місяць тому

    Here's a question. At what clubhead speed does an upward path start to beat a downward path, and is it determined by loft?
    The reason for asking is that when i was a lad, driver had almost no loft and we were taught to hit down on the ball 😮

    • @canyonaro
      @canyonaro Місяць тому

      Depends on your goals. PGA Tour players are mostly around zero AoA but they have loads of speed & are firing at narrow fairways with deep rough. LPGA players are mostly 4-5 up, which is better for maximizing distance.
      Amateur golfers should emulate the LPGA players.
      Re: your childhood comment, the Pro V1 changed everything from the balata era. Those balls spun so much that if you hit up on them, they'd go to the moon & you'd lose a ton of distance. Everything's different now.

  • @Gdwinn
    @Gdwinn Місяць тому

    Where did you get this driver fitting done?

  • @tommiethatcher7265
    @tommiethatcher7265 Місяць тому +1

    I do love this type of video

  • @Zebra2955
    @Zebra2955 Місяць тому

    Have you ever tried a VA composite shaft ?

  • @jasonsmith2878
    @jasonsmith2878 20 днів тому

    If people would invest more time on swing technique you would get more consistent results. How many shots did he say that was heely? Or hit it spinny

  • @CPS_89
    @CPS_89 Місяць тому

    Love these SGGT videos, did you buy the irons from the last time??

  • @stuartbarclay1134
    @stuartbarclay1134 Місяць тому

    Never had a fitting here myself but several local players have in Edinburgh and all ended up with a very expensive shaft upgrade that done nil on the golf course.

  • @brendanfardell1235
    @brendanfardell1235 Місяць тому

    And now folks… watch James rob a bank to pay for an upcharge shaft! 😂

  • @SJ-gz2hd
    @SJ-gz2hd Місяць тому +2

    Why didn’t you try other shafts

  • @BonedGolfandFish
    @BonedGolfandFish Місяць тому

    Hey James im going for my first fitting in the next few weeks. Was wondering if I should go to the pga superstore or club champion? Or does it even matter?

  • @alvermeil5884
    @alvermeil5884 Місяць тому

    I have one question when you hit the cobra it didn't look like you used the LS head.

  • @RobHorton-h2n
    @RobHorton-h2n Місяць тому

    Why is the attack angle in negative?

  • @boatbuilder781
    @boatbuilder781 Місяць тому

    Is it realistic to go to a fitting and ask for the combination regardless of price? The fittings I’ve been through the first question was what was my price point?

  • @neilross6227
    @neilross6227 Місяць тому +1

    interesting test there... given the titleist fitting...

  • @ryanhorner1675
    @ryanhorner1675 Місяць тому

    Same as the iron video, one shaft the whole time, especially when you're striking it like that

  • @terryhoward7074
    @terryhoward7074 Місяць тому

    please try the 1k black shaft in the Titleist, it is awesome

  • @jonbuikema7399
    @jonbuikema7399 Місяць тому

    Add 10 carry easy by addressing the attack angle. Even when you are -.6 or so it’s better. But -1 to -2+ with your speed isn’t.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      Ive tried! lol
      People are commenting like its easy

    • @petekenny3774
      @petekenny3774 Місяць тому

      ​@@JamesRobinsonGolf😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it's cos your a pro James so it must be really easy 🤯🤯😂😂

  • @cjf7364
    @cjf7364 11 годин тому

    Where is this?

  • @MarkLiversedge
    @MarkLiversedge Місяць тому

    How do fitters handle preferences for grip size during a fitting ? (I always seem to get handed a std grip and struggle to adapt from the midsize MCC plus 4s I play normally).

    • @paulhughes1419
      @paulhughes1419 Місяць тому +1

      At the fitting I had at SGGT, they blow the grips off and put your preferred grip - I also use a midsize MCC plus 4. They measure it as a seperate entry in trackman so you can see the difference the grip is making.

  • @MatthewDunne93
    @MatthewDunne93 Місяць тому

    Question i have for you, James. Would it be worth having the fitting now given it is only a few months before there is another new line of drivers coming out. Wouldn't January or February be the time to get fit so you have a full look at all the new lineups?

    • @Pud56
      @Pud56 Місяць тому

      And of course he will, another video for broadcast

    • @briankinread3555
      @briankinread3555 Місяць тому +2

      Get fit now. Wait for new clubs. Pay a lot less for “ last years model”

    • @Pud56
      @Pud56 Місяць тому +1

      @ he doesnt pay for the clubs

    • @UchihaSignori
      @UchihaSignori Місяць тому

      Is it just new drivers that come out then? or irons as well usually?

  • @johnatchley9754
    @johnatchley9754 Місяць тому

    A spin rate of 3500 to 4000 seems way to high for driver. I’ve always seen around 2300 as ideal.

  • @andrewkyle8559
    @andrewkyle8559 Місяць тому

    Preview of the ping g440 head cover in the bags next to the screen one wonders.

  • @petekenny3774
    @petekenny3774 Місяць тому

    Heard somewhere maybe trottie golf 3 swings shots he will change shaft out

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      That’s because he can only fit a Taylormade head… 👍🏼⛳️

    • @petekenny3774
      @petekenny3774 Місяць тому

      @JamesRobinsonGolf aye that's very true interesting though all different like golf swings

  • @MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz
    @MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz 25 днів тому

    Go in for a shaft fitting test one shaft and every single head 😅l😢. Bad fitting?

  • @scottstewart3954
    @scottstewart3954 Місяць тому +1

    I would love to get a proper shaft fitting with my driver. I have just changed drivers all my days until now I got a ping…… seems to have sorted me out 😝

    • @donkee9
      @donkee9 Місяць тому +1

      Ping with the proper shaft is a winning combo

    • @scottstewart3954
      @scottstewart3954 Місяць тому

      @ wud love to try out some shafts like the tour ad. Get the speed up in the swing for sum bigger distance! Ping driver is the only driver I’ve ever tried that makes me feel confident on the tee

    • @edj9961
      @edj9961 Місяць тому

      Ping sorts most people out

  • @kenhewitt7357
    @kenhewitt7357 Місяць тому

    So in the end what would that combo cost??

    • @MrICURNVS
      @MrICURNVS Місяць тому

      Accra shaft is 300ish. Driver is 650ish

  • @TTT-Turbo
    @TTT-Turbo Місяць тому

    Should have tried the LS cobra. Because you didnt play that and its good.

  • @davidtomsett
    @davidtomsett Місяць тому +1

    Shafts make all the difference

    • @petekenny3774
      @petekenny3774 Місяць тому

      100% agree all the heads now are relatively the same and even few years back

  • @hypeNT500
    @hypeNT500 Місяць тому

    You need to get the autoflex shaft

  • @ultimatejay
    @ultimatejay Місяць тому

    wall full of shafts and he only tries 2. Epic fail

  • @sevvyballisteros
    @sevvyballisteros Місяць тому +1

    Surely it’s your attack angle……your best drive was about -0.4……….lots of the others were -3s or worse. Whatever happened to hitting up on the ball?

  • @smevox7490
    @smevox7490 Місяць тому

    How on earth is that 1.49 smash off bottom of the head, that is wild. I wish I could do that, most Smash I see is 1.44ish.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      Totally depends on what device you use. Wouldn’t read too much in to it

  • @mikeb1149
    @mikeb1149 Місяць тому

    Needed to try a less spinny shaft. Regardless of head you had too many shots over 3000 rpm. Poor fitting in my opinion. Also backswing was too vertical leading to poor angle of attack. Like -1.8? Cost you yards. Fitter should have noticed and had you try hitting up on the ball.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      A good fitter will never try to change your swing dynamics Mike. It’s not their job to

  • @markspence5288
    @markspence5288 Місяць тому

    Scott fitted me years ago

  • @johnhailstone9927
    @johnhailstone9927 Місяць тому

    cant believe the fitter didnt try different shafts, flex's, weight - ie reduce head weight for softer shafts. Guarentee the club head speed and carry would increase. Daft and a waste of time.

  • @boreilly82
    @boreilly82 Місяць тому +11

    *unbiased
    Winds me up, that.

  • @joannaespley6035
    @joannaespley6035 Місяць тому

    So many choices!

  • @mikehoffman7131
    @mikehoffman7131 Місяць тому +1

    Accra shaft for the win. No reason to try anything else once you find a good one of those. I'd have loved to see a Mizuno head on there too.

  • @rickhammel9541
    @rickhammel9541 Місяць тому

    *unbiased

  • @jacfirth2727
    @jacfirth2727 Місяць тому

    He’s been desperate to get out of that GT2 he was fitted for. Trying to prove he’s better than it as Brett got the GT3.

  • @russellhartas3438
    @russellhartas3438 Місяць тому

    Why is it that you always get the fitting.Chris never gets a chance,or does he play with all your hand me downs.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      Because it’s my channel Russell? Chris puts his fitting on his channel? Very odd comment

  • @heinrichkilian2851
    @heinrichkilian2851 Місяць тому

    Where's dark horses.... srixon cleveland Wilson... bet you they'd go better?

  • @captainsnake7406
    @captainsnake7406 Місяць тому +1

    Once you were settled on the head, surprised ni ither shaft was tested to see how much more you might be able to get out of the head.

  • @michaelmcnaughton522
    @michaelmcnaughton522 Місяць тому

    A little disappointed really, tried the same shaft throughout. So really this was just a head fitting

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      We had narrowed the shaft down to that one? I don’t get the issue?

  • @AndyW148
    @AndyW148 Місяць тому +2

    It’s cheeper to adapt yourself to a driver than the driver to you. All drivers are about the same for the average/ weekend golfer work the cost around what you can afford.

  • @JohnnyP400
    @JohnnyP400 Місяць тому

    This was the total opposite of what the title says lol. 🤦

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      In what sense?

    • @JohnnyP400
      @JohnnyP400 Місяць тому +1

      @JamesRobinsonGolf James you didn't change shafts at all and were giving your opinions on the different heads you liked and disliked. The fitter was supposed to decide for you and you shouldn't of been able to see the monitor to be bias towards certain brands. It was very bias to me and what was shocking about the results? Ps I love u man lol

  • @rickgray2465
    @rickgray2465 Місяць тому

    When are you ever unbiased dude? 😂🤔

  • @royclose946
    @royclose946 Місяць тому

    I think if you're hitting a driver good why change 😊

  • @TZOID08
    @TZOID08 Місяць тому

    You need a lesson to get your driver swing Up on it.... You're losing at least 20 yards

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      “Need” is a strong word lol

    • @TZOID08
      @TZOID08 Місяць тому

      @@JamesRobinsonGolf You're a smart guy so just get your left shoulder higher at address and hit it :)

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      Thanks Butch 😂🙌🏼

  • @BMG5420
    @BMG5420 Місяць тому

    Go back to school James - it's "unbiased"

  • @ScottDreyfus
    @ScottDreyfus Місяць тому +2

    Come back when your swinging better 2 down seven across isn’t going to produce anything you can fit out of🤦‍♂️. Your spin loft window is too narrow . That’s why it’s launching so low and spinning so much . Too much loft and a bad attack angle can’t be fixed without a lesson.

    • @JamesRobinsonGolf
      @JamesRobinsonGolf  Місяць тому

      What about people who don’t want a lesson and to change? The beauty about these videos is I try to make them for EVERYONE and a fitting is a fitting. I appreciate your feedback but I like to see it from both points of view

  • @richarddavis3239
    @richarddavis3239 19 днів тому

    There’s no such word as ‘unbias’. Get a grip James.