His speed, perhaps, is his only potential counter against psychics, ambushing and subduing (or killing) them before they have a chance to target him with their abilities.
@@callmev3531 Their telepathy can be used to sense him, and Jean's a telekinetic who could slow him down. Also like if Phoenix Mark's speed is now not nearly enough. The X-Men fight and beat speedsters like Quicksilver, a regular enemy combatant is another Superman expy Gladiator, Mark loses
@@EmperorDxDin a fight against Rogue, Mark may start with the upper hand and ended up losing badly. Rogue powers aren't just flight, super strength and super resilience, her main power is absorb the powers and memories of those she touch. The longer she touch someone the longer is the effect is and closer someone is to death. If Rogue touches Mark even for a split second would be over to him.
I was a little spooked for a second until you clarified that Mark would be fighting the X-Men in groups instead of fighting them all at once because that would be crazy. 😭
Rogue could theoretically absorb mark's powers. The whole juggernaut powers being absorbed didn't work because his powers are magical (the whole gem of cytorak)
Wolverines claws can’t pierce his suit?? Yea right lol, Invincibles suit is constantly getting shredded is it supposed to be made of some special material???
4:29 remember, that was due to the fact rogue absorbs personality. She was overloaded by juggernauts personality. This means that her touch will most definitely be able to absorb marks powers and potentially kill him.
10:01 Phoenix isn’t Star level. She’s multiversal minimum. Had she been allowed to feed and fully settle into jeans body, she would have eaten all creation. This is stated in the dark Phoenix saga of the original X-men 92 show, and the only reason dark Phoenix didn’t was because Jean was actively fighting her. And we see that Phoenix is capable of molecular manipulation with only a small part of Phoenix in Jean (X-men 97 when she fixes the band to nullify bastion) so no matter what mark does, Jean can literally just deconstruct him on a molecular or atomic level.
@@kurtdrayton5065 morph can’t perfectly replicate a mutants powers even tho he can replicate them they’re basically nerfed versions of their powers like easily breakable bone claws when he turns into wolverine
@@chiibioobrii im an og and a comic reader so yk i be having the evidence and knowledge on hand back in hs i always carried the team anytime we did a marvel or dc jeopardy😎
I'm confused, are we going off the show or the comics? There are several times they reference the comic for Mark, but seem to ignore comics X-Men. TAS X-Men are nerfed X-Men compared to the comics. Either way, Tier 2 should own Mark. Storm isn't island level, she is a planetary threat or higher depending on the atmosphere. She doesn't cut loose in TAS because she's a hero. Storm + Rogue should own him. Another thing to consider, they were trying to slow down the asteroid and NOT destroy it because little chunks of asteroid are harder to stop then on big one. Also you undersold Wolverine, Mark is going to have a tough time killing him and adamantium should absolutely be able to pierce him.
Juggernaut is magic. That’s why Rogue got “overloaded” (which wasn’t actually her getting overloaded, the Gem of Cyttorak had magical defences of getting its energy sapped)
You can’t just randomly say they’re gonna be fighting in groups and Mark might have favorable matchups in these groups. This simply just would not happen. Realistically, there would be a balance team and anyone with psychic powers would end mark. My God this is a horrible video, your channel has been falling off for sometime now and I think I’m just gonna unsubscribe after this you simply saying wolverines claws would not be able to cut through his suit is so stupid.
@@midnighter9768lmao nah my dude, mark wouldnt stand a chance against any xmen especially professor x or magneto alone, as xaver would just shut marks mind down before he has a chance to do anything.
Because it’s fair, why compare the comics X-men who sometimes fight planetary or even more powerful fighters to Mark. At least here arguments can be made for everyone.
@@johnelmartagbago3764 I meant the kinetic energy of the feat. And he was not about to destroy the planet he just shut off the power. Now it could be planet level but .
Lmao ? That definitely is planetary. He also has the power to knock the earth off its axis and destroy the planet from the core out. He is definitely a planetary level character
@@braydenaguirre8377 in X-men 97 specifically. Remember wiping out the surface of the earth is multi continental to planetary and magneto doesn’t do that in the show.
He loses that tier 2, because of Rogue, he loses at tier 2 because of Storm, discounting Storms low level of magic, she controls all weather phenomenon, That means it's not living it to Earth, solar flares, solar radiation, Storm level of OP is ridiculous and she's defeated opponents far more powerful than Mark. Vulcan and Tarn The Uncaring Both who would destroy Mark Believe it or not Sunspot can trade blows with Mark. Read about Sunspot in the comics another powerhouse. Just stop it! 😭
Mark is Just a Superman type of character, the X-Men regularly beats this sort of opponents. The only hope Mark has is having Atom Eve at his side, and even then it wouldn't be enough, especially if Jean Grey is around. The X-Men has counter powers to almost any type of super power.
@efxnews4776 yh ...none of them are beating mark blow for blow ...they only have hax . ..also which Superman type character have they beaten ...its one thing to beat a weak knock off tho
This definitely seems like a baiting video. I'm not even the biggest X-Men fan and I love Invincible, but I must admit there are SOOO many innacuracies with how Mark would win. Wolverine's claws not being able to cut Mark was probably the first one. Granted, it would likely be difficult for Logan to land a hit on Mark. But if Logan can slash the hide of the Hulk, he sure as hell can pierce Mark's skin.
@@berzerkbankie1342 Because this is wolverine from x-men 97 NOT the comics, i don't get how either of you don't understand that, this version of wolverine has not fought hulk
Wasn’t it already explained in the S2 finale that if he even went to their universe his powers would flux and nerf him down to their level or below? If that were the case you could pretty easily down Mark with Banshee, Rogue or any psychic. Would love to see him regularly in the marvel universe though.
I stopped listening at Morph as Juggernaut and almost stopped when adamantium piercing Mark's skin was written off without consideration. We have seen metals exist that can peirce Mark's skin, so adamantium being able to do so is a valid question. Also Nightcrawler is a support player who enhances the others via teleporting. That said, Rogue is likely to be able to take and deal a few his as we've seen with War woman and Immortal, even though she is less strong and tough. Lastly, that's not how Morphs powers works. So yeah... I stopped listening and wasting my time here. Also, that Mark and other Viltrumites can move faster than light does NOT mean they can fight at that speed, only that they can EVENTUALLY accelerate to and past that speed OVER TIME. Yeah. This list is a garbage waste of time that misunderstands the powers of the players.
I mean you dont seem to understand these characters any better don't know how you cant get it in your head that their talking about the 97 show and not the comics, wolverine and morph juggernaut have literally zero feats to hurt mark in the 97 show war women and immortal are completely different characters dude, just because they can survive a few minutes against a viltrumite doesn't mean 97 rouge can and they can fight at that speed, we have seen allen react to FTL ships, thragg dodging space racers laser point blank (which is faster than full speed mark flying at the viltrumite war arc) Your in no place to be calling peoples takes garbage right after being completely wrong your entire comment
@@midnighter9768 funny how Mark feats from the comics count but X-Men only count the 97 show... Listen, buddy, Rogue alone can defeat Mark, they have similar powers, BUT Rogue has an ace wich is her natural mutant power of absorb powers and abilities of those who she touch. Once Rogue touch Mark, Mark is done for. Mark can be hurt by ordinary metallic objects, it just require enough force to hurt him, but Wolverine claws can cut steel like butter, and it is one of the most strong materials in the whole Marvel universe, so i'm pretty sure Logan can do some damage on Mark. Jean Grey / Phoenix would mop the floor with Mark, Mark greater feat was withstand the Sun core for a few moments, while one of the oldest feats of the Phoenix was literally eat stars, and that is just Dark Phoenix level of power, in her ultimate form Jean become the White Phoenix of the Crown, and at this point she literally become a goddess with capital G. Theres plenty other X-Men capable of destroy Mark, without much effort.
He's not consistently planetary level they even said that in the comic and Mark would have also died on the surface of the sun had ge stayed even a few seconds longer. This whole video is just a bait tbh cause Mark isn't winning, especially if the x-men are going for the kill. So don't give Mark scaling, even the comic disproves.
him nearly dying on the sun is an outlier considering he tanked an explosion that vaporized las vegas which realistically would be way hotter and more powerful than the sun
@@midnighter9768 Mark didn't fought in the surface of the Sun je fought close to the core wich temperature can be at millions of degrees iit's like to stand in a perpetual nuclear explosion. So yes it was a bigger feat that withstand just one nuke. Look, is a consensus that not even Superman can tank the Dark Phoenix , and Sups can literally LIVE on the SUN. The logic behind a Phoenix x Superman combat is on a literal GALACTIC SCALE. Sups get amped by stars while Jean can literally eat stars to power herself. Now just take the Phoenix in a fight with Mark to see where this is going...
@@gamelairtim mark grayson skin density can't be cracked by earthly metals adamantium is not an earthly metal on the periodic table it's an alien metal which was combined with earthly metals which made it impenetrable like vibranium which is also an alien metal
Being on the surface of the sun can not be building level right? Like doesn’t the sun release more than multiple nuclear weapons level of energy in waves every second
If you guys based this off the comics it’s no way mark beats the x men the comic books feats are just too insane sorry but the invincible universe is no where near as strong as the marvel universe
I like mark, but he has the biggest plot armour in comics, for me doesn't make sense that he can win againts more experience, powerfull and more inteligent viltrumites, but still does, the fact that he is part human and the adrenaline in his veins give him an advantage is a valid point, but still those characters are thousands years old bro, kirkman give him a lot of plot armor
@@KeyIssues Rogue got overwhelmed by his personality, not his powers. Rogue in the comics has absorbed Thor, Hulk, Scarlet Witch, etc... heck in the comics, she absorbs Juggernaut multiple times. If you are pulling up feats for comic Mark. Don't be selective.
@@KeyIssuesconsidering she’s able to handle Captain Marvel’s powers in this universe long enough to permentally keep them, and we haven’t seen her get “overwhelmed” by anybody else’s powers she takes. I think you can make an argument it was Juggs evil personality , which she also absorbs, that messed with her that one time. This would not be an issue with Mark.
Rogue is all they would need, one touch, and everything is drained within seconds, with Rogue absorbing it, and if she does it long enough she will permanently keep those powers and abilities.
@@turnerbrawley4715 the X-men are used to facing characters that can travel MFTL. There was even a What if she became Thor thanks to her powers and Ms. Marvel was nearly killed by Rogue absorbing her.
Im not gonna lie i think even mark would struggle against mutants like cable, onslaught, and dark pheonix hell i think even superman might struggle against onslaught.
Honestly no chance. No one from this universe could solo the X-Men This video was a very rare miss from Key Issues. It feels like an Invincible fan wanting to shit on the X-Men.
97 x men get stomped Their top tiers couldnt stop a few miles wide asteroid, while omni man stoped one that was the size of texas (which is 801 miles long) In power they do not compare and jean and professor are the only ones capeble of stopping him
@@Nah_id_win_883 xmen 97 magneto can easily destroy anyone in invincible all by himself according to yours and key issues logic since he was the one who easily destroyed astroid m as well lmao.
I do think that Invincible(at his Peak at the end of the Series as the Strongest Viltrumite) may be able defeat Phoenix.However due to Peak Invincible having no feats,it’s making assumptions.I think at this point without feats,Peak Invincible and Phoenix will just stalemate for now.
Yeah, see the problem with grabbing the group from X-Men 97 directly is it's a direct adaptation from the comics at the time so you could easily scour through older comics and find some dummy feats for any number of characters that they claimed were folded with ease.
Omniman hasn't fought people with omega level telepathy like charles xavier and wolverine 616 adamantium could pierce his flesh and is an unbreakable metal and can only break via antarctic vibranium or anartic adamantium or magneto manipulating it unless it's ultimate universe wolverine, juggernaut could give omniman a pounding and he can't die nimrod could beat omniman mad jim jaspers proteus legion gladiator could go toe to toe with omni man the phoenix force rogue full potential gambit nate grey franklin richards
@@TheFictionalMatrix xmen 97 is apart of the xmen92 continuity and xmen 97 includes lore from the comics so yes juggernaut charles xavier synx jean grey/ pheonix wolverine rogue full potential gambit etc could beat viltrimites like mark grayson and omniman they have a viltrimite equivalent in xmen such as gladiator in the shiar empire and you have reality warping mutants like proteus franklin richards legion mad jim jasper that can beat em
@@TheFictionalMatrix nimrod was in xmen 97 he's a robot that can't be truly destroyed and has countermeasures for any omega alpha beta gamma level mutant superpower
@@TheFictionalMatrix rogue basically has superman powers like viltrimites from Carol Danvers ms marvel premenantly and she can become even stronger touching omniman or mark grayson
no If Phoenix Jean is so much stronger it isn't funny Even without what's he gonna do about getting his mind frozen by Jean and Prof X? Even beyond that like Rogue touching him and siphoning him physically The X-Men have fought and beaten threats on the level of Invincible already
How is Storm & Jubilee tier two on the same level same as Cyclops. Jubilee is a potential Omega level as she isn’t making fireworks but are displacing atoms causing mini atomic (or subatomic) explosions. Let’s say she does this in Mark’s head. Storm can use electricity to give someone a stroke. Besides she’s an Omega meaning at minimal she’s planet destroying as any omega is a perceived threat to all life on the planet. She can survive anywhere (make her own atmosphere to breath in space & oxygen in ocean. There is no upper limit to her powers & she’s a skilled hand to hand combatant.
I heard there's a live action movie in the works If true then cast I would cast John ham as Omi man aka Nolen Timothée Chalamet as mark aka invincible Jeni Ross as Atom Eve Tommy Lee Jones as Cecil Stedmon Andrea Londo as Debbie Grayson Diego Boneta as Rex Splode Lexi Underwood as Amber Bennett Michael Jai White asTitan Christian Bale as the immortal Chloe grace motors as Monstergirl Dacre Montgomery as Robot Just a few of the actors I would cast If I was making live action
Dawg...is this even a debate. I hate that effort was put into this lol. Jean by herself solos. Prof solos. Magneto solos. Storm...storm will have a fight. Rogue's hard to scale. Pair any of them and there's your answer
I would love to see you guys analyze how far either EVE(Stellar Blade) and/or 2B(Nier: Automata would fair in gauntlet against various kinds of Sentinels. Maybe Nimrod and two Omega Sentinels would be last and Bastion with two Primes and 3 more traditional Sentinels in the penultimate round?
I call cap on Wolverine’s claws not getting through Mark’s suit or his skin. We’ve seen Mark’s suit get destroyed all the time by lesser things. Along with him getting injured. Where is the scaling for that claim about his claws? Also you are lowballing Storm as well. Their powers do not translate directly to just pure strength/destroying an asteroid. And storm literally sucking away all the atmosphere from a given area, (before he could take a breath) or sending lighting/ other extreme weather phenomena would give Mark some trouble.
their is simply no sclaing from the 97 show for wolverines claws to hurt mark, this isn't comic wolverine where is claws can cut anything, he doesn't have the feats of cutting planet busters in the show like the comics storm would be dead before she could do that, and he could just fly to a spot where he has air he has hypersonic flight speed, and lightning isn't doing shit sorry
@@midnighter9768 1. Ademantium has been shown to cut through every single thing it’s been put up against in the show. And has been stated to be indestructible. Meaning they should scale to be able to damage most/if not all things in the universe outside of like cosmic threats like phoenix, etc. 2. Youre right we don’t have Wolverine going up against somebody Marks strength in the show. So we can either base it off of his comic abilities and assume it transfers over, which is likely. Or go by the easier fact that we see Mark get cut by lesser metals/attacks in his comics and his show. 3. And mark has been hurt by a ton of lesser attacks then storms abilities in the comics as well. So mark outside of the end of the comics could take some damage. It’s not just normal lighting, she controls every aspect of it. And if we’re taking Mark at the end of the comics run ok, then we can have Jean/prof x stop marks in his tracks then storm suck out all the oxygen from his lungs. Since they’re doing the animated show team vs comics invincible it’s fair. But obviously comics invincible solos storm from the show on her own. But she is is able to damage him early on/with help.
Mark is just strong.. all he needs to do to improve himself is just train and experience. But he has no other abilities like energy projection etc etc...
Only thing I don’t like about this matchup is that you guys use most of the source material for invincible when you’re not using the source material for X-Men. Only using information just from the cartoon continuity. I feel like it’d be more fair to just stick to the invincible continuity of the show as we know so far not what will eventually happen. I still like the video though.
X-men 97 could beat him as a team but there’s a slim chance mark can win just like his father did against the Guardian of the Globe there’s so many X-men that are just way OP than anyone in the Invincible universe
It's kind of unfair to use end of comics mark and x men 97 xmen. But its your video and your rules. I thought it was ganna be show characters from both series.
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I read all of the Invincible series and, no. He’s superior to everyone physically, but telepathy is something for which he has no counter.
Agreed
His speed, perhaps, is his only potential counter against psychics, ambushing and subduing (or killing) them before they have a chance to target him with their abilities.
@@callmev3531
Their telepathy can be used to sense him, and Jean's a telekinetic who could slow him down.
Also like if Phoenix Mark's speed is now not nearly enough.
The X-Men fight and beat speedsters like Quicksilver, a regular enemy combatant is another Superman expy Gladiator, Mark loses
Wagt rogue can literally destroy planets in teh comics
@@EmperorDxDin a fight against Rogue, Mark may start with the upper hand and ended up losing badly.
Rogue powers aren't just flight, super strength and super resilience, her main power is absorb the powers and memories of those she touch.
The longer she touch someone the longer is the effect is and closer someone is to death.
If Rogue touches Mark even for a split second would be over to him.
I was a little spooked for a second until you clarified that Mark would be fighting the X-Men in groups instead of fighting them all at once because that would be crazy. 😭
Honestly: Proffessor X and Gene get in his mind and stun him, then Nightcrawler teleports rogue to him to absorb his power, and it’s GG for Mark.
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Can rogue absorb any power? Even non mutants?
@@KillaZamiiyes, in fact her main power set in the show comes from absorbing Captain Marvel’s powers. And she is not a mutant.
@@KillaZamii yup how do u think shes able to fly
Ngl Mark gets folded
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Rogue could theoretically absorb mark's powers. The whole juggernaut powers being absorbed didn't work because his powers are magical (the whole gem of cytorak)
Yea Rogue’s main abilities came from absorbing Captain Marvel’s powers which are alien based just like Mark’s.
As long as they knew about his speed and strength and could strategize he would have no chance. Surprise attack however mark would have a chance
Wolverines claws can’t pierce his suit?? Yea right lol, Invincibles suit is constantly getting shredded is it supposed to be made of some special material???
4:29 remember, that was due to the fact rogue absorbs personality. She was overloaded by juggernauts personality. This means that her touch will most definitely be able to absorb marks powers and potentially kill him.
10:01 Phoenix isn’t Star level. She’s multiversal minimum. Had she been allowed to feed and fully settle into jeans body, she would have eaten all creation. This is stated in the dark Phoenix saga of the original X-men 92 show, and the only reason dark Phoenix didn’t was because Jean was actively fighting her.
And we see that Phoenix is capable of molecular manipulation with only a small part of Phoenix in Jean (X-men 97 when she fixes the band to nullify bastion) so no matter what mark does, Jean can literally just deconstruct him on a molecular or atomic level.
Yep.
Invincible would get cooked by the X-Men. Especially if it's the X-Men from the comics.
He don’t even stand a chance against onslaught of all mutants it took nearly every hero on the planet just to stop onslaught which shows how op he is
Also, if morph can turn into anyone and gain their abilities why not turn into the sentry. I’m pretty sure he could solo mark🤷🏻♂️
@@kurtdrayton5065 morph can’t perfectly replicate a mutants powers even tho he can replicate them they’re basically nerfed versions of their powers like easily breakable bone claws when he turns into wolverine
@darkyozora1222 right, I feel like these guys didn't do their research at all. This video is riddled with assumptions.
@@chiibioobrii im an og and a comic reader so yk i be having the evidence and knowledge on hand back in hs i always carried the team anytime we did a marvel or dc jeopardy😎
Adimantium needs a closer look as it should scale above marks durability Wolverine solos a same combat speed mark
Mark would have to pick him up and throw him into the sun and wolverine would cut him in half
No he can’t, Mark’s tough but the X-Men have taken on foes much more powerful than him and he has no defence against telepathic attacks.
4:17 Juggernaut is magic and his powers come from different entities that universal level. That's why she got overloaded.
How's this even a debate? There's two powerful telepathic in the x-men. Rogue solos him.
Rogue gets slammed 😭
@KeyIssues Rogue stomped the not so-invincble guy. She has a lot of impressive feats, plus she can absorb his powers.
@@KeyIssuesrogues touch and ability to 1v1 gladiator already put her above mark.
@@gandalfthewhite.5245 She alongside several other mutants had trouble stopping life wiping meteor mark is way above that in the comics
@@turnerbrawley4715 her touch is still >>mark.
I'm confused, are we going off the show or the comics?
There are several times they reference the comic for Mark, but seem to ignore comics X-Men. TAS X-Men are nerfed X-Men compared to the comics.
Either way, Tier 2 should own Mark. Storm isn't island level, she is a planetary threat or higher depending on the atmosphere. She doesn't cut loose in TAS because she's a hero. Storm + Rogue should own him.
Another thing to consider, they were trying to slow down the asteroid and NOT destroy it because little chunks of asteroid are harder to stop then on big one. Also you undersold Wolverine, Mark is going to have a tough time killing him and adamantium should absolutely be able to pierce him.
Mark has no range wolverine cuts him in have as soon as he goes for a strike
@@weeg2141 Mark is way faster than Wolverine though...
@@efxnews4776 in the scenario in the video he said that they were all the same speed
Them saying Wolverine can’t cut mark when he can cut Thor hulk and even thanos is crazy to me
Juggernaut is magic. That’s why Rogue got “overloaded” (which wasn’t actually her getting overloaded, the Gem of Cyttorak had magical defences of getting its energy sapped)
Absolutely not. As much as I like invincible, mark would totally get destroyed.
You guys are trolling right? Rogue bodies Mark by herself.
You can’t just randomly say they’re gonna be fighting in groups and Mark might have favorable matchups in these groups. This simply just would not happen. Realistically, there would be a balance team and anyone with psychic powers would end mark.
My God this is a horrible video, your channel has been falling off for sometime now and I think I’m just gonna unsubscribe after this you simply saying wolverines claws would not be able to cut through his suit is so stupid.
"realistically" mark would blitz every x-men before they even think
@@midnighter9768lmao nah my dude, mark wouldnt stand a chance against any xmen especially professor x or magneto alone, as xaver would just shut marks mind down before he has a chance to do anything.
@@midnighter9768The xmen have too many hax for invincible to deal with
Sun spot is a massive problem for mark
Why are we comparing peak comic mark against show X-men? Kinda feels like a weird way to glaze mark imo
Because it’s fair, why compare the comics X-men who sometimes fight planetary or even more powerful fighters to Mark. At least here arguments can be made for everyone.
Wolverine claws wouldn’t go through mark’s skin ? 🤨
Nope, he is not strong enough to pierce his skin, not even with coloccus, the only time he did it was when he was possesed by demons
You mean the wolverine who has pierced hulk and Thor wouldn’t hurt invincible?
@@JOIG_NACHOThat's not how Wolverine claws work. Wolverine doesn't have to put much force into slashing or clawing due to the makeup of the claws.
@@JOIG_NACHOOne correction, his force does factor in just as much but he can definitely penetrate Mark.
@@JOIG_NACHO😂 wolverine has cut up some of Marvel's most durable characters and you think Mark could compare 😂
Magneto did turn off the the power of the planet. I dont think thats planetary but still its impressive.
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I want you to read your own comment and analyze it.
Earth was about to die in X-men 97 because of Magneto.
@@johnelmartagbago3764 I meant the kinetic energy of the feat. And he was not about to destroy the planet he just shut off the power. Now it could be planet level but .
Lmao ? That definitely is planetary. He also has the power to knock the earth off its axis and destroy the planet from the core out. He is definitely a planetary level character
@@braydenaguirre8377 in X-men 97 specifically. Remember wiping out the surface of the earth is multi continental to planetary and magneto doesn’t do that in the show.
He loses that tier 2, because of Rogue, he loses at tier 2 because of Storm, discounting Storms low level of magic, she controls all weather phenomenon,
That means it's not living it to Earth, solar flares, solar radiation, Storm level of OP is ridiculous and she's defeated opponents far more powerful than Mark.
Vulcan and Tarn The Uncaring
Both who would destroy Mark
Believe it or not Sunspot can trade blows with Mark.
Read about Sunspot in the comics another powerhouse.
Just stop it! 😭
Nah sunspot in the comics would kill him
Mark is stronger ,faster too,but if he doesnt kill jean or morph he is fucked ,if rogue touches him he is fucked ,if magneto cuts lose mark is fucked
Mark is Just a Superman type of character, the X-Men regularly beats this sort of opponents.
The only hope Mark has is having Atom Eve at his side, and even then it wouldn't be enough, especially if Jean Grey is around.
The X-Men has counter powers to almost any type of super power.
@efxnews4776 yh ...none of them are beating mark blow for blow ...they only have hax . ..also which Superman type character have they beaten ...its one thing to beat a weak knock off tho
This definitely seems like a baiting video. I'm not even the biggest X-Men fan and I love Invincible, but I must admit there are SOOO many innacuracies with how Mark would win. Wolverine's claws not being able to cut Mark was probably the first one. Granted, it would likely be difficult for Logan to land a hit on Mark. But if Logan can slash the hide of the Hulk, he sure as hell can pierce Mark's skin.
Mark could just grab him and fly him to space
@@PIayer_01 I'm not saying Wolverine would beat Mark. I'm just saying his claws would definitely cut his skin
Yeah I was really curious where they got that from. Honestly Mark vs Logan would be a good fight.
Logan gets blitzed and chopped in half @@berzerkbankie1342
@@berzerkbankie1342 Because this is wolverine from x-men 97 NOT the comics, i don't get how either of you don't understand that, this version of wolverine has not fought hulk
Wasn’t it already explained in the S2 finale that if he even went to their universe his powers would flux and nerf him down to their level or below? If that were the case you could pretty easily down Mark with Banshee, Rogue or any psychic. Would love to see him regularly in the marvel universe though.
No not at all, he’s at the same power everywhere.
I stopped listening at Morph as Juggernaut and almost stopped when adamantium piercing Mark's skin was written off without consideration.
We have seen metals exist that can peirce Mark's skin, so adamantium being able to do so is a valid question. Also Nightcrawler is a support player who enhances the others via teleporting.
That said, Rogue is likely to be able to take and deal a few his as we've seen with War woman and Immortal, even though she is less strong and tough.
Lastly, that's not how Morphs powers works. So yeah... I stopped listening and wasting my time here.
Also, that Mark and other Viltrumites can move faster than light does NOT mean they can fight at that speed, only that they can EVENTUALLY accelerate to and past that speed OVER TIME.
Yeah. This list is a garbage waste of time that misunderstands the powers of the players.
I mean you dont seem to understand these characters any better
don't know how you cant get it in your head that their talking about the 97 show and not the comics, wolverine and morph juggernaut have literally zero feats to hurt mark in the 97 show
war women and immortal are completely different characters dude, just because they can survive a few minutes against a viltrumite doesn't mean 97 rouge can
and they can fight at that speed, we have seen allen react to FTL ships, thragg dodging space racers laser point blank (which is faster than full speed mark flying at the viltrumite war arc)
Your in no place to be calling peoples takes garbage right after being completely wrong your entire comment
@midnighter9768 nah. I'm also talking about Xmen97 not the comics.
@@midnighter9768 funny how Mark feats from the comics count but X-Men only count the 97 show...
Listen, buddy, Rogue alone can defeat Mark, they have similar powers, BUT Rogue has an ace wich is her natural mutant power of absorb powers and abilities of those who she touch.
Once Rogue touch Mark, Mark is done for.
Mark can be hurt by ordinary metallic objects, it just require enough force to hurt him, but Wolverine claws can cut steel like butter, and it is one of the most strong materials in the whole Marvel universe, so i'm pretty sure Logan can do some damage on Mark.
Jean Grey / Phoenix would mop the floor with Mark, Mark greater feat was withstand the Sun core for a few moments, while one of the oldest feats of the Phoenix was literally eat stars, and that is just Dark Phoenix level of power, in her ultimate form Jean become the White Phoenix of the Crown, and at this point she literally become a goddess with capital G.
Theres plenty other X-Men capable of destroy Mark, without much effort.
He's not consistently planetary level they even said that in the comic and Mark would have also died on the surface of the sun had ge stayed even a few seconds longer. This whole video is just a bait tbh cause Mark isn't winning, especially if the x-men are going for the kill. So don't give Mark scaling, even the comic disproves.
him nearly dying on the sun is an outlier considering he tanked an explosion that vaporized las vegas which realistically would be way hotter and more powerful than the sun
That's the unfortunate thing with consistency...the author just forgets stuff I suppose
Author knows better than you 😅@@midnighter9768
@@midnighter9768 Mark didn't fought in the surface of the Sun je fought close to the core wich temperature can be at millions of degrees iit's like to stand in a perpetual nuclear explosion.
So yes it was a bigger feat that withstand just one nuke.
Look, is a consensus that not even Superman can tank the Dark Phoenix , and Sups can literally LIVE on the SUN.
The logic behind a Phoenix x Superman combat is on a literal GALACTIC SCALE.
Sups get amped by stars while Jean can literally eat stars to power herself.
Now just take the Phoenix in a fight with Mark to see where this is going...
How about we use the show Mark and not comics
Professor X would break him in the first second.
Any Telepath would take him down easy
Not to mention Viltrumites derive their powers from nanites so any Magneto EMPs would take him out.
Nanites? Where are you getting that info?
Mark gets washed by any villain that shows up on the scene
I thought Wolverines claws could penetrate anything
The claws are adamantium it can pierce hulk skin and superman's skin it's an alien metal alloy
His claws are indestructible, so they are as sharp as when they are forged. The question is, is that sharp enough to penetrate Mark’s skin?
@@gamelairtim yes cause his skin can be penetrated by alien weapons
@@gamelairtim mark grayson skin density can't be cracked by earthly metals adamantium is not an earthly metal on the periodic table it's an alien metal which was combined with earthly metals which made it impenetrable like vibranium which is also an alien metal
Being on the surface of the sun can not be building level right? Like doesn’t the sun release more than multiple nuclear weapons level of energy in waves every second
Yeah there's no way that could be correct.
magneto destroyed the magnetic feild
The magnetic feild is multi continental
In short, no. Invincible would easily be killed
If you guys based this off the comics it’s no way mark beats the x men the comic books feats are just too insane sorry but the invincible universe is no where near as strong as the marvel universe
I like mark, but he has the biggest plot armour in comics, for me doesn't make sense that he can win againts more experience, powerfull and more inteligent viltrumites, but still does, the fact that he is part human and the adrenaline in his veins give him an advantage is a valid point, but still those characters are thousands years old bro, kirkman give him a lot of plot armor
Not likely since rogue only needs to touch him…
Rogue was overloaded by Juggernaut 😭
@@KeyIssues Rogue got overwhelmed by his personality, not his powers.
Rogue in the comics has absorbed Thor, Hulk, Scarlet Witch, etc... heck in the comics, she absorbs Juggernaut multiple times. If you are pulling up feats for comic Mark. Don't be selective.
@@KeyIssuesbecause she absorbs personality as well. She will definitely be able to handle marks good guy persona.
@@KeyIssuesconsidering she’s able to handle Captain Marvel’s powers in this universe long enough to permentally keep them, and we haven’t seen her get “overwhelmed” by anybody else’s powers she takes. I think you can make an argument it was Juggs evil personality , which she also absorbs, that messed with her that one time.
This would not be an issue with Mark.
Rogue is all they would need, one touch, and everything is drained within seconds, with Rogue absorbing it, and if she does it long enough she will permanently keep those powers and abilities.
I mean that requires her to touch him and mark is way faster than her
@@turnerbrawley4715 the X-men are used to facing characters that can travel MFTL. There was even a What if she became Thor thanks to her powers and Ms. Marvel was nearly killed by Rogue absorbing her.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 This is the X-Men from the animated series, not the comics
@@webslinger4733 okay, but Rogue is still a massive threat.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639also in this continuity rogue still nearly killed Ms marvel with her powers
Im not gonna lie i think even mark would struggle against mutants like cable, onslaught, and dark pheonix hell i think even superman might struggle against onslaught.
Nah Superman has telepathic resistance
@@pasoking2483 he doesn’t have to attack him telepathically to make him bleed
@@pasoking2483 plus superman can still get possessed by spirits so unless he got bruce’s willpower all is lost
Dark Phoenix solos them all
@@berzerkbankie1342 i wonder if dark pheonix can take away his powers or make him weaker like jean did to mr sinister
All at once? No.
In a 1v1? He folds everyone beside Xavier.
Honestly no chance. No one from this universe could solo the X-Men
This video was a very rare miss from Key Issues. It feels like an Invincible fan wanting to shit on the X-Men.
Exactly 100%.
97 x men get stomped
Their top tiers couldnt stop a few miles wide asteroid, while omni man stoped one that was the size of texas (which is 801 miles long)
In power they do not compare and jean and professor are the only ones capeble of stopping him
@@Nah_id_win_883 lmao🤣, nah dude no one from the invincible stands a chance against xmen.
@@Nah_id_win_883 also by your logic xmen 97 stomps invincible because no one in the entire series stopped an asteroid either.
@@Nah_id_win_883 xmen 97 magneto can easily destroy anyone in invincible all by himself according to yours and key issues logic since he was the one who easily destroyed astroid m as well lmao.
I do think that Invincible(at his Peak at the end of the Series as the Strongest Viltrumite) may be able defeat Phoenix.However due to Peak Invincible having no feats,it’s making assumptions.I think at this point without feats,Peak Invincible and Phoenix will just stalemate for now.
Idk i feel like the battle would start and phoenix would immediately pull invincible atoms apart
Phoenix literally can't die.
No version of mark would be able to take on phoenix lmao 🤣.
*Rouge enters chat*
Magneto did amazing feats in comics. So, he could’ve had beat invincible. He battled phenix in comics
Yeah, see the problem with grabbing the group from X-Men 97 directly is it's a direct adaptation from the comics at the time so you could easily scour through older comics and find some dummy feats for any number of characters that they claimed were folded with ease.
You missed gambit. Rex has the same power as gamit and he did manage to kill a version of mark in the comics. That is something.
Here I was thinking of doing an Omniman vs Xmen vid and Key Issues with tha super speed comes in to save the day
Omniman hasn't fought people with omega level telepathy like charles xavier and wolverine 616 adamantium could pierce his flesh and is an unbreakable metal and can only break via antarctic vibranium or anartic adamantium or magneto manipulating it unless it's ultimate universe wolverine, juggernaut could give omniman a pounding and he can't die nimrod could beat omniman mad jim jaspers proteus legion gladiator could go toe to toe with omni man the phoenix force rogue full potential gambit nate grey franklin richards
@@tyronleung5276 we talking xmen 97 xmen
@@TheFictionalMatrix xmen 97 is apart of the xmen92 continuity and xmen 97 includes lore from the comics so yes juggernaut charles xavier synx jean grey/ pheonix wolverine rogue full potential gambit etc could beat viltrimites like mark grayson and omniman they have a viltrimite equivalent in xmen such as gladiator in the shiar empire and you have reality warping mutants like proteus franklin richards legion mad jim jasper that can beat em
@@TheFictionalMatrix nimrod was in xmen 97 he's a robot that can't be truly destroyed and has countermeasures for any omega alpha beta gamma level mutant superpower
@@TheFictionalMatrix rogue basically has superman powers like viltrimites from Carol Danvers ms marvel premenantly and she can become even stronger touching omniman or mark grayson
no
If Phoenix Jean is so much stronger it isn't funny
Even without what's he gonna do about getting his mind frozen by Jean and Prof X?
Even beyond that like Rogue touching him and siphoning him physically
The X-Men have fought and beaten threats on the level of Invincible already
How is Storm & Jubilee tier two on the same level same as Cyclops. Jubilee is a potential Omega level as she isn’t making fireworks but are displacing atoms causing mini atomic (or subatomic) explosions. Let’s say she does this in Mark’s head. Storm can use electricity to give someone a stroke. Besides she’s an Omega meaning at minimal she’s planet destroying as any omega is a perceived threat to all life on the planet. She can survive anywhere (make her own atmosphere to breath in space & oxygen in ocean. There is no upper limit to her powers & she’s a skilled hand to hand combatant.
Wait, why did Crisis say Wolverines claws can't cut through Mark's suit? Where is he getting that from?
Professor X could stop him alone.
I heard there's a live action movie in the works
If true then cast I would cast
John ham as Omi man aka Nolen
Timothée Chalamet as mark aka invincible
Jeni Ross as Atom Eve
Tommy Lee Jones as Cecil Stedmon
Andrea Londo as Debbie Grayson
Diego Boneta as Rex Splode
Lexi Underwood as Amber Bennett
Michael Jai White asTitan
Christian Bale as the immortal
Chloe grace motors as Monstergirl
Dacre Montgomery as Robot
Just a few of the actors I would cast
If I was making live action
Easy win for any telepath alone but with cerebro/cerebra.... Too easy
This mf struggled wit dr seismic. Please
Pretty sure Jean would destroy him
Dawg...is this even a debate. I hate that effort was put into this lol. Jean by herself solos. Prof solos. Magneto solos. Storm...storm will have a fight. Rogue's hard to scale. Pair any of them and there's your answer
@@therealmvp_ Rogue touch Mark, Mark is fkd...
I would love to see you guys analyze how far either EVE(Stellar Blade) and/or 2B(Nier: Automata would fair in gauntlet against various kinds of Sentinels. Maybe Nimrod and two Omega Sentinels would be last and Bastion with two Primes and 3 more traditional Sentinels in the penultimate round?
Prof X uses his holocaust ray and it’s all over.
Can you please do Apocalypse vs Thanos without his glove?
only thing i question is asteroid M. didn’t they say it would destroy the whole world if it landed? not just a country
Did you say wolverines claws wouldn’t go through mark?? The same wolverine who have pierced through hulk and Thor?
I call cap on Wolverine’s claws not getting through Mark’s suit or his skin. We’ve seen Mark’s suit get destroyed all the time by lesser things. Along with him getting injured.
Where is the scaling for that claim about his claws?
Also you are lowballing Storm as well. Their powers do not translate directly to just pure strength/destroying an asteroid.
And storm literally sucking away all the atmosphere from a given area, (before he could take a breath) or sending lighting/ other extreme weather phenomena would give Mark some trouble.
their is simply no sclaing from the 97 show for wolverines claws to hurt mark, this isn't comic wolverine where is claws can cut anything, he doesn't have the feats of cutting planet busters in the show like the comics
storm would be dead before she could do that, and he could just fly to a spot where he has air he has hypersonic flight speed, and lightning isn't doing shit sorry
@@midnighter9768 1. Ademantium has been shown to cut through every single thing it’s been put up against in the show. And has been stated to be indestructible.
Meaning they should scale to be able to damage most/if not all things in the universe outside of like cosmic threats like phoenix, etc.
2. Youre right we don’t have Wolverine going up against somebody Marks strength in the show. So we can either base it off of his comic abilities and assume it transfers over, which is likely. Or go by the easier fact that we see Mark get cut by lesser metals/attacks in his comics and his show.
3. And mark has been hurt by a ton of lesser attacks then storms abilities in the comics as well. So mark outside of the end of the comics could take some damage. It’s not just normal lighting, she controls every aspect of it.
And if we’re taking Mark at the end of the comics run ok, then we can have Jean/prof x stop marks in his tracks then storm suck out all the oxygen from his lungs. Since they’re doing the animated show team vs comics invincible it’s fair.
But obviously comics invincible solos storm from the show on her own. But she is is able to damage him early on/with help.
Rogue solos invincible, Omni Man and Thragg
Mark is just strong.. all he needs to do to improve himself is just train and experience. But he has no other abilities like energy projection etc etc...
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Mark is faster as an alien than any mutant.
Is that Vulcan is faster then the speed of light so is Quick silver
Sorry but that first season of 97 set the bar to the MOOOON🔥🔥🔥
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Well doesn't juggernaut technically have infinite power?
Physically I think the only people he’d struggle w is colossus, rouge, & storm.
@@AllThingsNerdiness88 Storm? No offense, but Storm is more a glass cannon than Jean, Jean at least is immortal...
@@AllThingsNerdiness88 Also, Colossus is made of organic metal, that doesn't mean he is indestructible...
Late-level Mark could get with the X-Men. But 2nd season Mark gets whooped and it's not even close.
I still think if thragg and battle beast were at full power in their fight battle beast would've wiped the floor with him
I just want to know why you’re using Comic feats for invincible, and show feats for X-Men. It should be show vs show.
Nope, he dies instantly.
Yeah on wolverine lmao
Phonex and Profesor X are more powerfull then adoult Invincible.
Only thing I don’t like about this matchup is that you guys use most of the source material for invincible when you’re not using the source material for X-Men. Only using information just from the cartoon continuity. I feel like it’d be more fair to just stick to the invincible continuity of the show as we know so far not what will eventually happen. I still like the video though.
X-men 97 could beat him as a team but there’s a slim chance mark can win just like his father did against the Guardian of the Globe there’s so many X-men that are just way OP than anyone in the Invincible universe
would Charles ever want to recruit invincible into. I mean sure he doesn't have the x gene but he was born with powers.
You should do x-men 97 vs the boys
Really fun video idea, not watched yet but I know he can't beat all of them 😂😂
He’d get demolished
Yo bro
Can you do can MHA survive the invincible war?
I think they'll get along well.
The mighty key issues vs the puny theif danco lol 😂😂😂😂
He wold be defeated, by Jeans telephatic powers, no question about it
How would charcter like darwin do against mark? Or proteus?
Jean and Xavier are destroying his mind
I'm sorry but just no some of these xmen would wipe the floor with invincible, intact most of the xmen would beat him
It's kind of unfair to use end of comics mark and x men 97 xmen. But its your video and your rules. I thought it was ganna be show characters from both series.
I feel like people are getting unreasonably mad about this one 😂
Wolverine would easily kill him because Mark wouldn't take him as a threat
X-men is not the Guardian of the Globe they are sweeping Mark I love invincible but The X-men are that Guy 😭
Key Issues please make a video on hell boy
I think Magneto could beat Mark.Mark’s blood is full of metal so…
No he couldn't. Mark is very powerful but he has no counter to Telepathy.
Not even fkn close lmao
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