Mustang rear valance issues. Brooklyn Pony part 36.
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this video I go over the differences of a Dynacorn, CJ classics, and generic rear valance for the 65/66 mustang. Lots of details, and ideas for better fitment. It's a long video, and I hope it helps.
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Now I understand why restoration work is so expensive. Thank you for the reality check. So much work to get what should be a "bolt on panel" to fit as it should. Thanks for all you do on this channel to enlighten us.
Great video! I enjoyed you showing the MIG welding. I am an odd ball who would literally sit here and enjoy watching every single spot weld and grind you do to complete the project. Thanks for what you do man!
Thanks! I just don't know if others feel the same.
Thank you sir I have 1966 mustang cope project in my garage for 7 years , You have inspire to push on thank you.
Amazing the amount of time it takes to just do the little things. Truly appreciate the education you are giving me. Can't wait to jump into mine
For holding the two pieces of the bracket together you can use a spot of JB weld or 5 minute Araldite or hot glue whist the tripod is holding the panel in place. When dry take away the tripod and the two pieces will be connected and then you can fully weld them together.
With making a filler piece for the corner you can sacrifice the ends off the other 2 panels and cut to the exact size and you'll only have 1 weld seam not 2 weld seams, less heat into the panel the better.
I don't have a body man in me...any metal thinner than 1/8" will be severely mangled...so I really enjoy watching a craftsman mold and adjust sheet metal to suit the end goal and I learn something from every vid. Most importantly, I have my need for patience reinforced. I can hardly wait to see this thing in paint!
My god, Barry! What a pain in the ass! Fantastic work as always! In my experience, I would plug weld all the holes in the tail panel and the valence and drill my own to fit the valence to the car.
Even if you used OEM FORD panels there will be differences and definitely have to massage It to make it fit ,it not LEGOS you can't just snap it together. Love your videos and I deeply miss my 65 mustang
Great video Barry. I just put my valance on my 66 mustang coupe. I had the same problem you did. One Bracket worked, one didn't. I came up with another idea: I removed the wrong bracket as you did. I then bared the metal on the back side of the valance. Then I mounted the bracket to the quarter. Reinstalled the valance screws, then went under the car and was able to push the valance up against the bracket and simply trace the bracket with a black marker. Removed valanced, welded bracket and viola! Fit perfect. My valance was from CJ, but spot welds were not finished. The overall valance was 1/2" short. Lined up perfect on the passenger side, short on the drivers side. I will be welding in a piece like you did as well. Can not thank you enough for the great work you do, and the videos!
Barry, thanks for the content. Fitting these on original quarters are just as challenging as aftermarket quarters. I have seen them welded on to the quarter and body filled over at car shows!
Welded? ugh.
Can't thank you enough for all your help. I have an RDOT and Dynacorn rear valance in my garage. I decided to cut up the RDOT and experiment on it but I haven't been able to close the gap as much as I want. This video had some terrific tips that I'll work through as soon as the CJ valance arrives. The detail you put into these videos is incredibly helpful!
exactly the problem I had with the cheap import panel. To be honest I don't fee so bad now seeing I'm not alone. I"m going back and pounding out my original which was pretty banged up
Checked my valance on my 65 and it also has those oblong holes and I’m pretty sure its original. So I think you are correct that originally they came with oblong holes.
Same here, pretty sure my 65 has the original valance and it has slots
Great work. Had to do a similar rework with mine. It was the original valence but had quarter panel issues.
Always a conflict...
Jo Daddy's Garage If it was just bolt and drive we would probably do something else
Nice work! I have a 64 1/2 Coupe that my grandparents bought original....Need to get on it!!
now because of you , looking at the gaps on my car drive me crazy. .. 😀
Sorry... It's a curse I need to share.
I love to watch a perfectionist at work
Same issue I had when we replaced both rear quarters on our 66’. The valence would not fit, it was a 1/8” too wide on each end. Our solution was to cut the valence in half with an air nibler which took out just enough to make up the gap. The fit was right and in the process decided to weld in the corners instead of trying to make the brackets work.
I have a 65 coup lot of rust ill keep watching finding new ideals.
I wish the quality of replacement panels were just a little better - you have some great solutions! as always - high quality work.
Awesome work! I can't wait to start my 68' coupe. Lucky for me its all original. Thank's for your video series. Two thumb's up!!
I will be doing this soon on my car so the timing is perfect. Awesome job as usual. Ironman looked pleased with the result as well.
My 67 fitted good, almost a perfect seam but I am thinking of welding them because I want the no factory seam look, I already did it to the lower rear quarters behind the doors, it has the GT exhaust cut outs. I also did rear quarters and flared them 1 1/2'' I may have been lucky tho because it all depends where and how your rear quarters fit will determine how good your rear valance will fit. I had trouble with the quarters, I had to cut them shorter in height as well as make cuts for the curve for the drop off below the tail lights, I have the California Special fiber glass deck lid and extensions with the duck tail. Any way, good video's, you do a good job of explaining things and taking us through the process one step at a time.....kudo's to you for the educating us.
Barry you are a true "masseuse of metal" & per usual there's a 'happy ending"!...sorry, I couldn't resist.
Great skill elongating those hole's with that die grinder setup,you should explain what can happen elongating with a tight hole to burr size .
Good idea.
Very helpful….. I was trying to install one today and came up with some of the same issues but I had two original quarters and they still fit horrible.
Looks like I need to do some modifications… thanks for the tips
Great job Barry, glad to see more mustang videos especially on the same topics that I am going through with my rear valance. Same issue with the transition from the valance to the quarter panels. I mocked it up and saw a big gap as well, took a break from that and installing the new interior but will be back on the valance by January. The bolts/retainers that you showed are obviously better than the ones that showed up in my kit, yours stayed in place, mine did not, so I kinda tack welded the bolt to the bracket and it worked for me for the initial mock-up. Keep it up and keep the videos coming brother. Thank you.
Even though the metal doesn't fit perfectly,aren't we still better off with them as opposed to having to make them from scratch? I consider them to be a blessing plus it gives us an opportunity to hone our skills. Good examples of fixes Barry, thanks
True. Good comment. Thanks.
Nice work ! Putting the exact part on the coupe.
Finally..a longg video...love it😄
Another good video Barry keep them comming
Great video on this fix and taking time to figure out how to make it fit it in thumbs up.
THANK YOU...for sharing. Watched and very much enjoyed. Another great fix!
Did you ever think about going into politics. I was a Supply NCO for the Army. I noticed your 10Th Mount. Banner. I always want to be in the 10Th, in the logistics community, 10th always had a stellar rep for their property accountability. I know that's not their main job but it's nice to see CMD taking care of their troops. Cheers.
I don’t know that I could handle the pressure. I’m way too honest and sincere.
Turned out great Barry.
Fantastic! I can't wait to watch this tonight!
Get some popcorn.
Nice work Barry.
Brooklyn Pony 2020!
Thank you for showing how to fit panels. I am a follower. I have 2 1968 mustangs and my latest is going to be a project.
as far as the holes go. wouldnt it be easy to weld the prestamped holes shut... and drill new ones with the right fitments? or wouldnt that be possible? your patience with d these aftermarket parts is stunning. i hope i will be that patient and focused when dealing with such stuff haha thanks again. cant stop watching haha
edit: okey, just noticed youre doing it the other way around and closeing up those holes in the valance :)
I see you use those HF led lights with the swivel and magnetic base. I have 2 of those and find them indespensible. Great for seeing things especially welding. 😀
I have 2 ready to go, and 3 still in the packaging... :)
I have bought them too. Need all the light you can get while welding when using auto darkening hemlets. I like the auto darkening helmets but i find the fixed shade has much better visibility. I also have other bright LEDs and those little freebie lights at HF are handy too cause they stick in place. Course I need to get a cheater lens for my helmet too... That welding under the car up close vision is getting harder to see now...
That had to be your longest video yet ! 👍 Very good content, I'm not looking forward to doing mine, but have no choice in the matter.
The panels you can buy no matter what they are have 3 ratings, good, better & best and are priced the same way, bottom line is they are ALL made in Tiawan 😥.
I'd like to also say, I'm not quite sure on your number randomizer as I'm one of the first people to watch your vids and comment when they come out. So maybe I'll just wait to comment on your give away posts instead of being of the first as I've never seen any single digit numbers come out. Still good stuff Barry !
I would pay a little more for a correct fitting product too.
i am replacing rockers on my 66. Dynacorn rocker is not even close to fitting. I think a 93 Buick trunk would fit better
Great job as always.
i didn’t wanna see this i haven’t tried to fit mine yet more joy from aftermarket parts!!!
It takes, time, patience and skill to do it right Barry, nice work as usual! Big thumbs up.
Your videos have been a great help. I only recently discovered your channel while doing research for a 66 FB project I just bought. You mention parts made on factory tooling in this video. I may have to replace my tail light panel. How can I be sure that is what I will get when buying? Is there a specific manufacturer you can recommend?
They would be labeled as original tooling. I can’t say for sure if anyone makes them the right way.
Three aftermarket parts going on aftermarket fenders. What could happen? LOL. I think it could have been worse.
I'm looking to replace the whole floor pan and firewall on a 66 convertible. I noticed you started from scratch on this one but, should I use bracing on the door jambs for stability? The doors match up pretty good considering all that is intact is the center hump. Thanks for the videos and detailed instruction you give.
Just the inner pan? If the inner and outer rocker panels are staying in place, it'll be very solid. You can add some bracing just for peace of mind.
@@JoDaddysGarage thank you sir.
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A master at his finest. Great job my friend. What is the blue adapter on the end of your air hose?
That is a quick connector. Mort convenient than the old collar type. I have them listed on my Amazon page that is in the description. In the tools section.
Thanks for sharing all these videos, I'm working on a 65 coupe and probably will have to change the right fender, which replacement brand would you recommend, Thanks
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Hello Jose, I can't really say one fender is better than another. Original tooling copies are the best and worth the money. Otherwise, Dynacorn.
Note to self: budget more time for my valance install. Thanks for another awesome video.
Great videos as always! Thanks.
How about AMD ( auto metal direct)?
Not sure if AMD makes them.
Really helped me out with this video. Thanks so much.
Awesome work!
What grit did you use for the finishing/blending of the welds?
I blend with 40 grit and progress from there.
I was about To do this on my car
Thanks
Thanks for your videos very helpful! I have a 67 mustang . I bought a new fender but it doesn’t have the holes for the mustang lettering ! I was thinking of cutting the old fender so I could transfer the holes any other ideas for this problem? Thanks Dan
You could do that, or make a tracing.
I read through most the comments. I did not see, do you think a factory original panel would bolt right up? You tried three aftermarket ones. Would have loved a fourth original one.
Hard to say.
@@JoDaddysGarage I have a 1966 coupe. I need to replace that panel. The body is all original. What brand panel do you recommend for the easiest fit? I watched CJ pony parts video. They make it look simple. I know it is not always true. Your videos have taught me so much. Thanks
I'll be tackling this soon on my car. What wire speed are you using on your welder when working with these panels? It looks pretty slow.
2 on the speed and 2 or B on the heat.
@@JoDaddysGarage My Hobart uses a different scale, but it looks like it's about the same feed speed range as your Lincoln. That's a much slower speed than I've been using. I'll have to give that a try next time I'm making smaller welds. Thanks.
Ask Pete at D.I.Y. Auto what his feelings about Dynacorn are. He made a video trashing them and trashed them is a few more. I would sooner learn how to use an English wheel than purchase anything from Dynacorn.
Petes work is outstanding but he carries on like a pork chop most of the time. If you continually have problems with people and things usually you're the problem.
@@tonybutcher4762 He needs to learn to cope or he will burst a major artery.
im thinking it would have been easier to cut the flange off where is was originally welded to the valance, and just rebend it over where it was to long and make a new welding area back to flange.. if that makes since
may need some assistance/info from you when you go to do the vintage air install. the car you're installing it on is the one that is mostly dynacorn right? have a dynacorn firewall?
Yes Dynacorn.
@@JoDaddysGarage perfect.. can't wait for that install video.. unless I'm missing something, dynacorn fails again.. vintage air uses factory "dimples" that the dynacorn firewall apparently doesn't have for their installation. you use those as indication marks for where to drill mount holes..
let me know how you like that vulcan. and what kind of price did you snag it for? i considered getting one, but couldn't justify the risk of going with that one for $700'ish when i can get a "higher name brand" one or at least one used by other fab guys for like $100 more..
I got it for $100 off with the 15% coupon.
Once you get to this point, why not just weld the valance on the car? I finished my car but you could put a fo-seam to give it a traditional Un finished look.
Not my style. Thanks.
No weld-thru primer for the brackets?!? 😮😉
When you get to the point where three different valances dont fit. How do you feel confident that the problem does not lie in fitment of the quarter/taillight panels and drop offs?
This would probably blow my mind trying to figure it out.
I usually mock up all the pieces before welding. I feel like I did that with another valance panel I had.
@@JoDaddysGarage thanks for the tip. Mocking up every single piece is the only way to go i guess to avoid such problems.
Really enjoy your channel, keep doing what your doing! 👍
Love the bloopers 😂
I fully agree with what you say on all points, but in one spot..i kinda don't. I like to see my spot welds pass through. I know, it's extra work, but then i know it's been fully welded. That being said, they used the wrong head for that kind of thickness, so that might be the reason why it bled through so harshly. Next size over would've been appropriate for that thickness IMHO.
Just my 2 cents, personally i think you're a wizard. I'd have no patience to figure out fixing something so utterly wrongly made.
Do you have any plans on restoring a fastback, bc I'm installing quarter, and thier a little different
Not very soon.
I'm having issues with cap between the quarter. The passenger side is wider than the driver side.
hi very nice work
Do they make grandson-sized welding helmets?
I hope so.
Miller has some lightweight hoods that would be nice. Not cheap though.
I have a question about mini tubs. How would you make the rear seat and side cover pieces beside the seat fit in a 65 mustang coupe
it's a Detroit specialty product
I did a Detroit speed kit on a 68 Camaro, but I didn't have to mess with the trim parts. I would imagine it would take some creativity to modify. Sorry I don't have a better response.
Been doing this awhile..all parts no matter what sticker on it is hit or miss
You ever try metal stretching or shrinking?
Only making patch panels on commercial aircraft. Not too much with steel.
Where are you from? Your accent doesn't sound like you are Georgia native.
Grew up in Pennsylvania.
@@JoDaddysGarage I thought so, I live near Johnstown. What part of Pa.? I didn't hear you say yuns!
Have you ever worked in an assembly plant of any kind,,,
You have your basic pieces that have been stamped to a Basic fit on their tooling press,
The Assembler sizes and if needed cuts and refits the molding to within factory specks,,etc ,,etc,
Process is called Blueprinting,,,etc,,, etc,,
You can't buy anything factory built and expect to match exacto pieces to it,,,
Not a floor fan,a refrigerator,an automobile,a plane,a chair,,etc,,,, even Hand Built Shelby Cobra's are going to be a little Different from what you have just bought from Jo the parts man,,
Even hand built cars fit worse,,,
Money don't buy frame and body works,,,
Hey didn't people put these cars together and not robots so there will never be perfect .
should have compared them to an original one
Hindsight...
Try building a few plastic models and you will have a little more respect for factory tooling,,,,
lol
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