Keychron K10 Pro [UNBOXING, TESTS, REVIEW & CUSTOMER SUPPORT EXPERIENCE]
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- This is my first custom, wireless, and opensource mechanical keyboard.
It all started with my reddit post on r/linux_gaming where I asked people what keyboard they're using and what they can recommend.
Quite a lot of people have recommended Keychron to me (Not specifically this one), so I've decided to give it a try.
Also, this might be the longest video I've made recently.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - INTRO
00:35 - CONTEXT
01:01 - UNBOXING
01:10 - QUICK SPECS
02:17 - WHAT'S INSIDE THE BOX?
03:12 - THE KEYBOARD ITSELF
03:50 - BLUETOOTH SETUP TEST
04:21 - DISASSEMBLY
05:20 - WHAT'S UNDER THE HOOD?
08:13 - RGB EFFECTS DEMO
09:34 - BLUETOOTH SWITCHING TEST
10:13 - BATTERY TEST
11:20 - VIA BASIC CONFIGURATIONS TEST
15:28 - SOUND/TYPING TESTS
17:12 - REVIEW
22:27 - CUSTOMER SUPPORT EXPERIENCE
23:53 - PCB REPLACEMENT
24:30 - OLD PCB
25:09 - CONCLUSION
25:51 - END
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*UPDATE*
I'm not sure if this is an isolated issue or not, but the RGB LEDs on keys H, B, and Space are malfunctioning now. They stay lit up with a yellow-ish tint when they're supposed to be on OFF state/inactive. They still produce the correct colors when they're supposed to, though. Also, the RGB LED on the right arrow key is not lighting up anymore. lol.
I might need to do some re-soldering on the affected LEDs to see if that would fix the issue, but I already have some replacement SMD LEDs on hand, just in case.
*UPDATE 2*
Upon telling Keychron what happened last August 9, they sent me another replacement PCB, and I just received it earlier. [August 23]
To my surprise, aside from the main PCB [the big one], the small PCB [for USB and modes switches] was also included.
Thanks, Keychron!
COMMUNITY POST: ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxGvSEK3VI_SeTIW2BTQ2UlluCsxoM_OGJ
*UPDATE 3*
*CHECK COMMUNITY POST* : ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxeJ1BGMQG46JM2TCi1yihFC_BPAj4vqqL
*UPDATE 4*
It's been more than a year since I've purchased this keyboard, and now the battery is acting up. It only lasts for about a few hours now (approximately, 6-8, maybe). It's ok tho, since 3rd-party batteries can be purchased and it's easily replaceable.
Wow, this is the most thorough review of this keyboard I've found! Well done and thanks for creating it!
Thank you! Glad you liked it! ❤️
Wau I am just blown away by the quality and detail of this review! Well done! Already ordered mine!
Thank you for the kind words, good sir! ❤️
This is a thorough, in-depth review that answered almost all my questions. Much appreciated! Please keep it up!
Glad it helped! Thanks!
I bought the K10 Pro today, and was looking at how it sounds. I came across this video and had so much fun watching it. Please keep up the good work, I really laughed a few times! Thanks!
Thank you! Glad you liked it! ❤️
it is the best review of this keyboard i ever see, great job buddy all my questions where answered, thank you so much
Thank you! Glad you liked it! ❤
*CORRECTION:*
As mentioned on a comment and on the website, this keyboard has an *STM32L432* ARM Cortex MCU on it.
Contrary to what was mentioned on (7:10), the *CYW20730* is not a 2-in-1 microcontroller (MCU) and Bluetooth Module, but is only a standalone baseband processor (Bluetooth Module) as said on its datasheet.
I failed to mention the ARM Cortex MCU, because the IC on the board is labelled differently, and I assumed that it was a different IC.
It was a huge lack of oversight on my part, so I apologize for the wrong information and late correction.
Thanks again to @ailuros_ for mentioning it, which made me check the board again.
Great review! Incredibly thorough and wonderful editing!!
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! ❤️
Holy shit dude, this was an insane good testvideo. Keep ist up.
The K10 Pro is very nice btw. Absolutely recommendable.
Thank you! ❤️
damn, that video is **exactly** what i was looking for !
very comprehensive, complete, you deserve more subs !
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
sick review! i love it bro! waiting my k10 pro in the way wathcing this! excited!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
This is the best keyboard review I've found from inside and out.👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you, glad you liked it!
Amazing review. Thanks !
One of the best reviews to a keyboard i have seen. Keep up the good job
Thank you! Much appreciated. ❤️
This is one of the best review videos in a long time :)! Keep it up!
Thank you! ❤️
What a great review (and really fun), and really great video. Good work!
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
nice video bro. I like the production quality, detail and editing (and little jokes)!
Thank you! Glad you liked it! ❤
High quality review, thanks.
Aye. I think this is the first time someone gave a super thanks to me.
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Planning to buy this keyboard, and Im worried about how fragile it was when trying to mod it, with this precise review, I have a Very detailed idea about the board. Thank you for this Video mate!
Thanks for the comment! Glad you liked it.
amazing review, thank you!
Thank you!
i think this video is the best product review i watched on youtube since 2008
Thanks for the compliment! Much appreciated.
nice editing bro, greats from colombia
Thank you! ❤
Fantastic in-depth review. I wasnt aware that the RGB didnt shine through the keycaps. Might be a deal breaker for me as I was about to pull the trigger on this.
Thank you! And, yes. The included keycaps aren't shine-through, unfortunately.
@@HeathenHacksI wonder why keychrin does not offera keyboard with pbt shine through up facing letters
My best guess is because a lot of their keyboards have south-facing RGB LEDs. Most normal keycaps (The ones where the legends are at the top of the keycaps) won't work well with south-facing RGB LEDs, because even if the keycaps are see-through/transparent, the light that would go into the legends are not that bright, because the source is not directly below them, because they are designed for north-facing RGB LEDs.
In general if you want your keycaps (not switches) to sound 'nice' you may have to sacrifice the shine-through lighting. Typical gaming keyboard keycaps that shine through brightly are made of thinner, lower quality plastic.
As people have said, you are truly one of the best reviewers. I would often skip through videos, but I just sat through this entirely.
Aww... thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated.
Can Please someone tell me how he uses the VIA tool wirh this keyvoard. I cant connect with the VIA App (cable or Bluetooth). Ans it seems to be not supported for the VIA tool. So what did i Have to do get this working?
Hello, and thanks for the comment.
Can you tell me what's happening? Like what error do you get when trying to connect the keyboard to the app?
What method are you using on VIA? Are you using the installable version, or are you using the web browser version of VIA?
What OS are you using? Are you on a Mac? Windows? Linux?
thanks for the video, im planning to buy this model, but after watching your video, I don't think will buy this, what do you suggest? I dont want to risk
Hello, and thanks for the comment! Unfortunately, all I can suggest is to ask around r/MechanicalKeyboards subreddit, because the 3 keyboards on this video are the only ones I've personally used so far.
Just got mine today and noticed that there is a light for the numlock; however, you'll only see it with the lights off. I got the white backlight and with the rest of the lights turned off the numlock light will be lit up if it's currently on.
I still agree though they should have put one next to the other indicators.
Yes. I forgot to mention it. Thanks for pointing it out.
On the RGB version, it does light up white as well. Static White if the numlock is enabled, and it would follow the effects if it's disabled.
1. Key caps with up facing shine through letters is not recommended?
2. Is it possible to assign media keys including mute withou pressing the fn key?
1. Yes. Because the RGB LEDs are south-facing, therefore the legends on the keycaps would not be as bright, because the LEDs are not exactly below them.
2. Yes. Using macros/hotkeys.
@@HeathenHacks1. Do you recommend using all black keycaps with white letters for k10 pro or its not a good idea since there won't be two colors caps to distinct between the different areas of the keyboard and the letters are not shine through and all this will not be good in a dark room?
2. Can you 100% use this keyboard in the dark as is?
1. At the moment, I am using a 96.30% (Still using 4 keycaps from the OG set) all black keycaps with white letters. They are shine through as well, but they are side-lit keycaps. (The ones where the legends/letters are at the bottom/south side of the keycaps) You can try those as a compromise if you want. Just search for it using the search engine you prefer. Can't share links on YT,
As for if I would recommend an all-black and non-shine through keycaps set, I'm going to be biased and say no, because I like RGB.
2. I can. Yes. But, only because I can still type quite coherently even if my eyes are closed.
really big work ty you
thank you. ❤
Hey, great review! Do you know what is the difference between this (K10 Pro) and the first K10?
The main difference between the 2 that I can think of is that the K10 is wired, and has an aluminum back cover available, which the K10 Pro does not have, atm.
Does it type too fast?, like even though you don't force too much? I'm worried after you saying that because I had a Razer yellow switch and it was just crazy.. I pressed like half and the input was already registered. I'm worried if this red switch works like my previous Razer's yellow switch
For that, you might have to take a look and compare their actuation force, and I guess it would also depend on how much of the "heavy" typer you are.
In my case, I was using a keyboard with blue switches before this, so my fingers have gotten used to typing with relatively more force, so typing on it felt really light...and now that it has been a few months, I can say that "it's just right" if that makes sense. That's subjective tho.
@@HeathenHacks thank you! the razer yellow switch was 45g travel distance 1.2mm/ keychron red is 45g with 2mm and brown is 55g with 2mm. not sure how distance travel makes a difference tho.. I can say that i definitely hate low actuation force as it makes so much typos, but still i would prefer silent switch as well. So which one are you using more, red or brown?
As of the moment, I'm using the reds that came with the keyboard. Might change switches in the future, but for now, I'm sticking with what came with it.
I got the UK-ISO version yesterday and it does have shine through keycaps, as someone with the German version below commented below, maybe it's only applicable to ANSI boards?
Upon taking a look at the ISO version, I think they made the keycaps shinethrough because the legends on the keycaps are at the bottom part. How's the brightness of it, tho?
@HeathenHacks yeah the legends are at the bottom and brightness is good. Not the best person to judge though, it's my first mech keyboard and my last keyboard was logitech k120
Good to know. Thanks for the info.
It's to do with the type of keycaps used - you can now select what you'd prefer when customizing pre purchase.
This can be plugged in permanently to a PC, and then we can switch between "cable" and "bluetooth" modes and even in bluetooth modes it will charge?
I believe so, but, for the battery's safety, I'd remove the battery's connection on the PCB, since you won't be needing the battery if you're going to plug it in to the PC permanently anyway. It would still work even on bluetooth mode or cable mode even without a battery as long as it is plugged in.
Clicked in for a review, was given an NTSB Aviation Board level breakdown. Nice.
Thank you!
Hello, thanks for the review, is it possible to create several profiles and automatically activate them depending on the current active software ?
Hey there! Good question. Not sure if the Windows version of the software is different (I'm using the App Image), but on Linux, I think it's not possible (Well- doing it the normal way, atleast), atm.
It has a "Save Profile" option, so, maybe you can save multiple profiles then just load them depending on the situation. It doesn't save anything on mine, tho. lol.
I guess the goal of the software is to just setup macros and stuff. I mean, the main way to set stuff up is via (pun intended) a browser and not an actual software that you have to install.
It never runs in the background and having an option that can switch between profiles requires it to run in the background.
Thank you very much for the clear answer !
Got one about month ago, yeah not big fan of OG keycaps, positioning of the lock indicators i would like them to be on the upper right corner and to have the actual numlock indicator there too, other than that this keyboard beats even 200€+ keyboards.
Would you recommend this keyboard for longevity? I want to buy it but I don’t want to waste money on something that will give me a lot of issues within a year
Hmmm... that's a good question.
In my opinion, in general, a wired mouse/keyboard would last longer than a wireless one. Not because the wireless ones have lesser quality components, but because they have batteries.
Batteries can sometimes be a hit or miss, even from expensive and well-trusted brands. It depends, but in most cases, the thing that wears out first are the batteries.
Now, I said that it depends, because it depends on how long and how frequent we use the thing that has a battery, because battery life/longevity depends on charge and discharge rate or how frequently we use it (discharge) and charge it.
As an example, I have a JBL bluetooth headphone that I bought last 2017 that is still working just fine. I also have a JBL bluetooth earbuds that I bought last 2022, but the JBL bluetooth earbuds battery is discharging so fast now, even when compared to the headphones that I bought 5 years earlier than the earbuds.
The main difference between the 2 devices aside from the year of purchase is I can use the JBL bluetooth earbuds more frequently than the JBL bluetooth headphones, because the headphones one hurts my ears after 2 or more hours of usage, so, the headphones one has been discharged less than the earbuds one.
On another note, the battery on this thing can easily be replaced with a third-party one, but then again, we don't know how long the replacement would last.
I've had some issues that I'm not sure if they are isolated or not, and you can see them on my pinned comment.
Awesome review and very thorough!! I'm curious what USB Bluetooth adapter you're using? I'm looking at this keyboard and wan to use it on Linux too.
Hello, thanks for the comment! By "USB Bluetooth adapter", do you mean the white colored-thing with the LCD? The thing I used to monitor things while charging?
If so, it's a USB Tester from UNI-T. *UT658DUAL*
@@HeathenHacks I'm referring to the USB Bluetooth dongle that you would use to pair the keyboard to the computer or do you have Bluetooth built into your motherboard? Thanks!
Ah. My apologies. I do have built-in Bluetooth on my motherboard.
Good vid. But I don't like how you cut out the part where you were switching. Some people want to know how long it takes for it to switch.
Hello, thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it. I'll keep that in mind.
Hi, on the Keychron website, the black full assembled with white backlight has black keys whereas with the white b backlight, it becomes black plus the lovely grey keys. However , it is the other way around when it comes to RGB. The RGB comes with black and grey keys whereas the RGB B has all black keys. Intuitively, the RGB method makes sense but i thought i will ping here and ask
I think the one that has all black keys is the Fully Assembled (Non Hot-Swappable) one.
The keycaps are a bit disappointing. I just ordered the V6 and I'm already looking into keycaps where the light shines through them. I haven't even received the keyboard yet. lol
Lol, yeah. It do be like that.
@@HeathenHacks 😂 yes, indeed it do
Best k10 pro review out there and one of the bests keychron reviews. One note: K10 PRO is supposed to be equipped with Cortex-M4 32-bit STM32L432 (MCU) or am I wrong? I wonder why your K10 has a different microcontroller (6:44)?
Now that you mentioned it, I saw that on the website, too, and was confused as to why I can't find the IC with the "STM32L432" on it, and just assumed that the info was wrong/not updated. But, after you pointed it out, I checked again and found that it is indeed on the board, but with "L432K86" label, and literally just 1-2 inches beside the CYW20730.
Welp. That's a huge lack of oversight on my part. I apologize.
@@HeathenHacks haha nevermind. I just noticed this because that MCU is the same as in Keychron Q6 PRO. Like I said, you did a great job in this video. ;)
Thank you.
Got the k10 pro but it doesnt seem to connect VIA like in the video. While i dont necessarily need it it still bothers me a bit.
I suggest trying the desktop version of VIA. That's what I did, atleast. After that, due to some unknown magic, my keyboard worked with the browser version, too.
@@HeathenHacks I take it you mean downloading and installing it? I tried that too. I'll give it another try today.
Yes. Alternatively, you can also reset the keyboard or flash the firmware if you have the time to spare or enough motivation to get it working. I'm sure you're aware of this, but just in case, also keep in mind that there's also a chance to brick your keyboard's firmware if the flashing gets interrupted.
@@HeathenHacks okay so i figured it out already but youtube seems to have removed my previous comment. i had to manually load the .json file wqhich was quite a handful to find for me personally
If it has a link, YT may have automatically removed it.
Anyway, glad that it's working now for you.
how did u connet it to via? im struggling with it
Check 15:06
@@HeathenHacks its not listed on the compatibe keyboards on the via page ? None of the K series ? How did u connect yours ?
Hello, and thanks for the comment! I've read somewhere that Keychron is quite slow on updating/submitting their lists to VIA. Not so sure about that, tho. That's just what I've read online.
In my case, as I've said on the video, since I'm using Linux, I've downloaded the AppImage version of VIA first, and was quite surprised how it worked right away. After that, when I tried the website on a Chromium browser, it worked there as well and have no idea why. lol.
What Linux Distribution do you use? And window manager
ArcoLinux + KDE.
@@HeathenHacks ok, it looks very nice :)
Thank you. ❤
@HeathenHacks any specific theme or are you using stock KDE?
It's actually just KDE's Breeze + Kvantum.
There is reading of 4340 mAh at timeline 11:02. The keyboard battery is rated 4000 mAh. The mAh measurement unit is very misleading. What they do not tell you is at what voltage it is 4000 mAh. Usually they consider voltage of 3.7V. So it is 3.7V * 4 Ah = 14.8 Wh. The wattmeter you are using is measuring voltage of around 5V. So by the time when it is fully recharged, it has already consumed 5V * 4.34 Ah = 21.7 Wh. Which equates to 5.86 Ah = 5864 mAh. Even when considering lower efficiencies of charging and heat loss, this difference is huge. So I guess you should consider replacing your wattmeter that shows energy consumption in Wh (Watt Hour).
Thanks for the tip!
Please review the K5 SE and V6 MAX.
Hello, and thanks for the comment! Unfortunately, i can't, because that requires money, and I don't have a lot of it.
No included dust cover?
Hello, and thanks for the comment! Yeah, no dust cover included.
This VIA trash does not appear to work on any browser. Do you know how to edit the QMK configuration directly? I just want to program the four keys in the corner. If I knew it would be this bad I would have bought something else.
Hmmm... have you tried the non-browser version? You can get it on their Github which is linked on the description of the video.
I also had the same problem of the browser version not working, but when I used the non-browser version it worked right away.
I'm on Linux, tho. So, I guess your mileage would vary.
Nice I ordered a v6 since I don’t need wireless crap gonna modify it heavily to :D
Tried to re-lube the stabs a few weeks ago. Took me 2 hours. Lmao.
@@HeathenHacks oh lord I can't wait.... lol ordered some xht bdz for it also yay...
I agree with you 100%... who makes an RGB keyboard and doesn't use shine through key caps. that's the WHOLE point of having backlight of any nature. This really bothers me, probably more than it should. lol
I do kind of understand why they made that choice, tho. I mean, this is a customizable keyboard, so, I guess they thought that people who would buy it would customize it? ie. change keycaps, switches, stabs, etc... and, apparently, using non-shine through keycaps on keyboards with RGB LEDs is the current trend, because people like the "underglow" effect that it gives. Idk. tho. just saw that on r/MechanicalKeyboards
very nice review (could do without the sfx though - a little annoying) - I purchased my first Keychron, K8 pro 80% - tried it for 24hrs and I missed my keypad, as I use 3D applications like Blender, Substance Painter etc - sent it back for the K10 pro.
Thanks for sharing your feedback! Much appreciated. Yeah, I do use blender as well and need to use numbers a lot for work stuff.
Mixed Indian/American (due to: "baddery", not "battery") accent? BTW: Great video.
You're way off. lol.
Great video but did anyone else get a headache watching the camera move so much, or is it just me?
what exactly is the point of having RGB with solid keycaps. that completely defeats the purpose of having RGB in the first place. so instead of including shine through keycaps I am expected to purchase the keyboard, scrap the keycaps, buy new keycaps and install those. just to actually make use of the backlight? lame... this is a HUGE flaw in the current setup. I simply do not understand this decision.
Honestly, I have the same thoughts. However, I guess Keychron is just following the current trend. I think a lot of people like having opaque keycaps because they are stronger/more durable, and they like the "underglow" effect that the RGB LEDs give to their opaque keycaps. At least, that seems to be the consensus as of the moment.
The RGB LEDs being south-facing is also a trend on custom keyboards for better compatibility with switches, according to what I've read.
its only the us version, i got the german one and it does shine through lmao
Now, that's interesting. lol.
ICH MÖCHTE DIESEN TEPPICH NICHT KAUFEN?
No 2.4ghz wireless which sucks
Yep. Unfortunately.
L.E. DEEZ NUTS!
'I use arch btw' lol
Thanks for showing the so-called shine-through backlight in a dark room. That's not backlight, that's back-dim, I can't see with that
lmao. yep. that's why i replaced the stock keycaps with a different one.
@@HeathenHacks that's too bad. I combed their website for a good keyboard with a good backlight I can use to work in a dark room and I didn't find any. That's too bad and that's why logitech is more popular
Well, if you think about it, Logitech has been in the business for literal decades, so, it's a given that they're more popular.
5,490 nalang sa shopee.
Let's hack it. There no room between blue and wifi. It's a rubber duck imo
So no more Corsair or other gayming crap in the future, huh? : >
Not really sure about that. I do like MUH AR GEE BEEZ.
@@HeathenHacks Just buy a 3rd party keycap set that allows shine through (and ruin the board, because generally speaking they have worse quality than the even stock caps : D).
Oh, I'm way ahead of you. I'm using a cheap shine-through side-printed keycaps set.
using libreoffice to write the script? lmao
Well, yes, actually. lol.