Let’s be clear it’s not the Warrior Era….its the Curry / LeBron Era, they started it all and specifically without Curry, there is no KD championships (he couldn’t beat LeBron without Curry), there is no Klay Thompson championships or Draymond Green championships without Curry, in fact the league does not become a 3pt shooting league without Curry, he changed the game……The League is where it is now because of Steph Curry and LeBron James….. so you want to talk about the Magic and Bird Era, the Michael Jordan Era, then dammit you have to talk about the Curry and James era because from 2013 to 2023…..Curry and/or LeBron has been in every NBA Finals except 2021 and 2023…..that is unheard of and incredible….thats 9 out of 11 years that these two players were part of every Finals except 2 in 11 years!
I feel your pain but that does not work, if Klay and KD did not get hurt in 2019 the Warriors would have 5 rings and if Draymond had not gotten suspended in game 5 of the 2016 Finals where the Warriors were up 3-1, they would have 6 rings today.....hey if my aunt was a man, she would be my uncle and if "if" was a fifth we would all be drunk lol! I feel your pain but nobody is buying that logic lol!!!!
@@sstanley00I agree with what you said in regards to his point (That Spurs loss hurt me that year lol but they made it up the next year) You have to keep the same logic by saying GS would have lost in 2015 had Love and more specifically Kyrie didn’t go down. Green missed one game. And had like a 36 pt triple double in game 7 when they lost to the Cavs.
The Spurs are forgotten badly!Hall of famer Coach,Poppwich:Hall of Famers,Robinson, Duncan ,Manu,Tony Parker;Role Players:Robert Horry,Bruce Bowens and the others.A unappreciated Dynasty from 1999 to 2015,Five NBA Championships!This from a Detroit Pistons fan, RESPECT!
@@RampageYI so if the Lakers win this year lose the following then win again the lbj Lakers are a dynasty too ..this new gen just throw around words lol dynasty comes from the Asian dynasties I thought I don't remember any Asian dynasty losing power during their run
Is strange, seeing Rachel talking with these dudes, its like the teacher talking to the dumb entitled teenagers.. she begun her take with a very well thougt out historic reasoning, and the guy was like: “yeeah but jason taytum thooo”
The component they’re missing to all of this is not only winning chips but relevance. Even though the Warriors won 4, teams did not want to play them because of the possibility of losing even if the Warriors weren’t playing great. They were on a 10-11 year stretch of relevance and got 4 chips out of it.
I think dynasties may come back, but it will be through the draft process. Teams like the spurs, the Thunder, have both stacked draft assets to possibly win back to backs or 3/4 in the future
70s Baby From Pomona California and grew up a Laker Fan. I knew Keyshawn was not just gone let her keep skipping over the Magic Johnson era like it aint never happened. He had to find a settle and polite way to put that out there. I seeYa
The Spurs won five rings with Tim Duncan. That's a dynasty. The Lakers and Kobe won 5 rings in the same amount of time. That's a dynasty. Stop lowering the standard because y'all too lazy to research and see what teams are doing in scouting. Isn't that your job?? Damn
The celtics have players in the d league that can help. Walsh is a wing that can play defense, quetta is energy off the bench who crashes the board. And the celtics always lived through the dragt. They will be fine.
It’s a lot easier nowadays because the LeBron era is almost over. Whoever he was on was in the finals damn near every year. So it’s a lot easier to get to the finals now.
Rachel jumped from Mj to the Present to like her point . I hear what she’s saying but nah. Rachel get loss . The Lakers Kobe save Shaq. The Spurs .. a 3 peat is a DYNASTY
i dont think its about the talent level thats just a part. most teams cant maintain there players and core more than a yr a two and make tweaks around ur roster to stay competing for championships. plus have a style of play that allows u to be versatile having the inside and outside play
Skip must have not heard Rachel and key speak. 1 guy even mj ain’t winning 6 titles now he did it in expansion era with the best international guy on his team. The 50th best guard today we would be top 5- 10 back then.
I dont think Tatum will take Celtics to over 5 finals and win more than 3 finals. Next year it will 76ers vs Mavs and Mavs will take it. Then after next year Wemby at Spurs will have stars signing with CP3 veteran leader, CP3 will take Spurs to the playoffs with Wemby, then a 3rd star will go to Spurs and CP3 already helped the guard there get better. Spurs will win after 3 years, so Celtics will not win then either. Then 5 years from now, Lakers always find a way and we will win again, Celtics will be there and that will be a rivalry waiting to happen again. So yeah I agree with Steph! It seems so hard to see anther Dynasty, event though I lowered the bar for dynasty 3 finals wins is all it takes. Dynasty is 5 or more finals appearance with the same super star as the core and win over .500 wins. So yeah there has only been 8 dynasties and their stars are the GOATS! #1 Kobe 5/7 won at the youngest age 3peat will never be done again age 20-24 then winning alone superstar 3 more and repeating beating a 4star team Celtics GarnetPierceAllenRasheed vs 1superstar Kobe 1star Lakers. #2 is MJ or tied, hard to beat 6 -0 finals and getting everyone one paid millions more. #3 Magic also won finals at age 20 but as rookie he was fmvp with no superstar in his 1st finals team won 5/8 finals. #4 Duncan 5/6 same team #5 Curry 4/6 beat Lebron 3 finals yes 3, the 3rd final was rigged NBA ref kicked best defender out and refereed robbed the Warriors of their best 73 win season NBA history. #6 Bird 3/5 beat both Jordan and Magic when he was healthy. #7 BRussel 11 finals wins will never be done again but he was probably Robert Horry with 7 finals wins but same team 11 finals wins, definitely better than Lebrons 6 losses with different teams as journey men. #8 is Wade 3/5 Heats same team winning over.500 and appearing in 5 finals means that Wade was a dynasty in Heats.
I think that’s wrong; 1) I think you’ll have more dynasty like the Spurs where a couple teams will win 3-6 in a 20 year span Or 2) Players willing to play together and take pay cuts for each other like the Spurs
There will be dynasties as long as owners are willing to pay. Joe Lacob has been paying luxury taxes for a decade. The Lakers, Celtics, Warriors will pay if they are legitimate contenders.
No one knows how long any star player will remain on one team. There have been 6 different champions in past 6 years…therefore he is right… Nba dynasty eras are over - from a 41 year old basketball fan
bro rachel does not speak basketball like these guys 😭😭 she talking about it’s gonna change the word of “dynasty” what? no if your dominate and win chips over a small couple of years it’s a dynasty. she doesn’t know ball 😭😭
Why is Keyshawn so bad 👎. And how long will they let their ratings suffer. I guess the analysts are allowed to live out their contracts. Dude is cringeworthy.
You need 2 BatMans for a dynasty these days. I mean real Batmans. Like Jokic and Joel on the same team. Or prime LeBron and Steph on the same team. Because that 3rd guy aint happening anymore
This topic is so stupid. There will always be dynasties in sports. The NFL had the same problem with the Patriots constanly wining and nobody else being able to match them. Then came the Chiefs
They wouldnt talent level is just so much higher only a clown cant see this.. The bulls wouldnt make the finals jordan is a poor 3 pt shooter so what your ganna have only kerr spreading the floor lol dude they would get destroyed
Let’s say this: the Celtics won’t win another championship with this group of people. This is just NBA marketing. Welcome back to the 1970s. When we left the 1960s domination by 11 and one, Boston Celtics and the influx of ABA players to create such parody that no one won the championship more than once. Portland, the Washington Bullets and perhaps the Sixers Were the only teams close enough to do it. We we current to this moment with the influx of international players totally saturating the league with talent. Just like the rules changed to prevent those 1960s Boston Celtics from becoming that type of dynasty, the new rules prevent the Golden State Warriors to become that type of dynasty
Rachel is wrong. The talent level did not increase with the increase of foreign players be ause they aren't better than the US players. They are just as good, but not better.
It's was a completely nonsensical point. She talks as if the Euros are all elite players, no they are not. I'd argue the talent level has decreased. Players today are paid too much to early, resulting in only a handful of players being motivated enough to do what it takes to get to and stay on top. You look at the previous dynasties and they all had that one guy or 2 driven to be the best in a way that you don't see today. Look at Luka, he in the top 5 of the nba right now but this dude is not motivated enough to get into great shape so he can be the best he can be. That attitude you see across the league trickles on down to the whole team.
Keyshawn doesnt know a thing blabbin his mouth. You cant just go find another al horford at all. He just isnt a professional analyst hes always reaching and is unsure what he is even talking about. Why are all these companies throwing people into spots that are clearly unqualified and havent put the work in to be a professional. The show sucks listening to him paul pierce especially richard sherman the self pro claimed genisus that went to Stanford probably for basket weaving and some chinese student passiing his home work in for him but he flaps his gums about it non stop. Driving around drunk getting duis, not his first time driving around drunk just the first time getting caught
Really dumb take.. there will ALWAYS be "Dynasties" in sports..ALWAYS. No one has any inkling of "relativism." We might see the beginnings of a new dynasty NEXT season! The league is made of HUMANS. As long as HUMANS are playing ANY sport..there will be Dynasties. It's really shocking how short-sighted people continue to be. It's actually kinda weird🤔
The only reason most foreign players are killing is bc the game is soft now u cant even take their cookies (hand-checking) no real bigs in the middle lol SOFTTTUH
The Spurs won 4 rings in 8 years! They’re a dynasty!
Let’s be clear it’s not the Warrior Era….its the Curry / LeBron Era, they started it all and specifically without Curry, there is no KD championships (he couldn’t beat LeBron without Curry), there is no Klay Thompson championships or Draymond Green championships without Curry, in fact the league does not become a 3pt shooting league without Curry, he changed the game……The League is where it is now because of Steph Curry and LeBron James….. so you want to talk about the Magic and Bird Era, the Michael Jordan Era, then dammit you have to talk about the Curry and James era because from 2013 to 2023…..Curry and/or LeBron has been in every NBA Finals except 2021 and 2023…..that is unheard of and incredible….thats 9 out of 11 years that these two players were part of every Finals except 2 in 11 years!
This! Yes!
So much disrespect, the spurs were 1 ray Allen shot away from having 6 rings
Probably wouldn’t have won the year after , don’t wanna hear that bs
I feel your pain but that does not work, if Klay and KD did not get hurt in 2019 the Warriors would have 5 rings and if Draymond had not gotten suspended in game 5 of the 2016 Finals where the Warriors were up 3-1, they would have 6 rings today.....hey if my aunt was a man, she would be my uncle and if "if" was a fifth we would all be drunk lol! I feel your pain but nobody is buying that logic lol!!!!
@@sstanley00I agree with what you said in regards to his point (That Spurs loss hurt me that year lol but they made it up the next year) You have to keep the same logic by saying GS would have lost in 2015 had Love and more specifically Kyrie didn’t go down. Green missed one game. And had like a 36 pt triple double in game 7 when they lost to the Cavs.
A Derrick Fisher 0.4 3point miracle from another.
The Spurs are forgotten badly!Hall of famer Coach,Poppwich:Hall of Famers,Robinson, Duncan ,Manu,Tony Parker;Role Players:Robert Horry,Bruce Bowens and the others.A unappreciated Dynasty from 1999 to 2015,Five NBA Championships!This from a Detroit Pistons fan, RESPECT!
The Spurs were definitely a dynasty.. no nba team has had a better win percentage than them, and over 20 years without missing the playoffs
Exactly n you can't forget there rivals the Lakers they battled it out 4-5 yrs straight semi or WCF
Spurs had a better winning percentage then Tom Brady did in New England and I hate the patriots
@@phillyphil9245 they ran the west for sure
Spurs was not a dynasty dynasty go b2b
@@RampageYI so if the Lakers win this year lose the following then win again the lbj Lakers are a dynasty too ..this new gen just throw around words lol dynasty comes from the Asian dynasties I thought I don't remember any Asian dynasty losing power during their run
You here it first, okc will be the new dynasty
I agree! With how young and good of a team they have now and how many future draft picks they have!
The Orlando Magic with Paolo and Franz will dominate the league for a while
I don’t know man. They hit all the home runs in drafts but they left with no rings to show for it. 😢
Not with this new cba
They’ll be lucky to win 1 😂
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Is strange, seeing Rachel talking with these dudes, its like the teacher talking to the dumb entitled teenagers.. she begun her take with a very well thougt out historic reasoning, and the guy was like: “yeeah but jason taytum thooo”
Need Paul Pierce back on the show... Asap!
The component they’re missing to all of this is not only winning chips but relevance. Even though the Warriors won 4, teams did not want to play them because of the possibility of losing even if the Warriors weren’t playing great. They were on a 10-11 year stretch of relevance and got 4 chips out of it.
SHUT UP KEYSHAWN!!!! LET OTHER FOLKS TALK! THEY LET YOU TALK SIR 😠 My goodness this dude is the worst part of this show
He is
Shocked Keyshawn trappin so hard for the Celtics lol
I think dynasties may come back, but it will be through the draft process. Teams like the spurs, the Thunder, have both stacked draft assets to possibly win back to backs or 3/4 in the future
As a lakers fan this would kill me if Boston was to do this 😭😭😭
7:05 cmon skip give it up
We all taught Denver is gonna go back to back we already taught they're dynasty in the making
I feel like the 2020’s gonna be like the 70s different teams winning a ring every year
Celts gonna win it a bunch more
@@RS-cm8gg Dallas is here
@@grumsigrumsi3185 Dallas was the absolute worst finals team in like 25 years. FYI
@@RS-cm8gg Still the best team in the West who upgraded THJ, Green, DJJ into Klay, Marshall and Grimes. They are the best team in the NBA now
@@grumsigrumsi3185 bahahahahaha
Layers went 15 and 1 and that’s without Durant.
They forget lakers got it back for awhile
70s Baby From Pomona California and grew up a Laker Fan. I knew Keyshawn was not just gone let her keep skipping over the Magic Johnson era like it aint never happened. He had to find a settle and polite way to put that out there. I seeYa
it cut off just as they were getting to the most interesting point: Michael Jordan
How can they not talk about the Lakers
The Spurs won five rings with Tim Duncan. That's a dynasty. The Lakers and Kobe won 5 rings in the same amount of time. That's a dynasty. Stop lowering the standard because y'all too lazy to research and see what teams are doing in scouting. Isn't that your job?? Damn
If you can't keep a team together, there is no dynasty. The celtics about to be broken up in a year or two.
As long as the core is the same I mean Rick fox Robert horry d fish weren't there every time u bring in a turiaf or Sasha vujicic here and there
The celtics have players in the d league that can help. Walsh is a wing that can play defense, quetta is energy off the bench who crashes the board. And the celtics always lived through the dragt. They will be fine.
People forget that Kobe and Shaq three peated
@UndisputedOnFS1 "Change my Mind" Caitlin Clark is more entertaining than Angel.
Every damn year since 2022. “Omg this team could be the next dynasty. This teams core is unbeatable and they all just signed extensions”
Is it just me or do Rachel and Keyshawn not like each other?
What is Key talking about man? He’s just Scrambling for words
I hate when he talks.
so now people have crystal-ball to see the future...
It’s a lot easier nowadays because the LeBron era is almost over. Whoever he was on was in the finals damn near every year. So it’s a lot easier to get to the finals now.
Exactly if young LeBron was there ain't no one but him coming out the east
Rachel jumped from Mj to the Present to like her point . I hear what she’s saying but nah. Rachel get loss . The Lakers Kobe save Shaq. The Spurs .. a 3 peat is a DYNASTY
There will absolutely be a dynasty again. There just has to be two transcendent players in their PRIME that CHOOSE TO PLAY TOGETHER.
Jordan Walsh of the Boston Celtics is the best NBA player in history.
i dont think its about the talent level thats just a part. most teams cant maintain there players and core more than a yr a two and make tweaks around ur roster to stay competing for championships. plus have a style of play that allows u to be versatile having the inside and outside play
Skip must have not heard Rachel and key speak. 1 guy even mj ain’t winning 6 titles now he did it in expansion era with the best international guy on his team. The 50th best guard today we would be top 5- 10 back then.
I dont think Tatum will take Celtics to over 5 finals and win more than 3 finals. Next year it will 76ers vs Mavs and Mavs will take it. Then after next year Wemby at Spurs will have stars signing with CP3 veteran leader,
CP3 will take Spurs to the playoffs with Wemby, then a 3rd star will go to Spurs and CP3 already helped the guard there get better. Spurs will win after 3 years, so Celtics will not win then either. Then 5 years from now, Lakers always find a way and we will win again, Celtics will be there and that will be a rivalry waiting to happen again. So yeah I agree with Steph! It seems so hard to see anther Dynasty, event though I lowered the bar for dynasty 3 finals wins is all it takes. Dynasty is 5 or more finals appearance with the same super star as the core and win over .500 wins. So yeah there has only been 8 dynasties and their stars are the GOATS! #1 Kobe 5/7 won at the youngest age 3peat will never be done again age 20-24 then winning alone superstar 3 more and repeating beating a 4star team Celtics GarnetPierceAllenRasheed vs 1superstar Kobe 1star Lakers. #2 is MJ or tied, hard to beat 6 -0 finals and getting everyone one paid millions more. #3 Magic also won finals at age 20 but as rookie he was fmvp with no superstar in his 1st finals team won 5/8 finals. #4 Duncan 5/6 same team #5 Curry 4/6 beat Lebron 3 finals yes 3, the 3rd final was rigged NBA ref kicked best defender out and refereed robbed the Warriors of their best 73 win season NBA history. #6 Bird 3/5 beat both Jordan and Magic when he was healthy. #7 BRussel 11 finals wins will never be done again but he was probably Robert Horry with 7 finals wins but same team 11 finals wins, definitely better than Lebrons 6 losses with different teams as journey men. #8 is Wade 3/5 Heats same team winning over.500 and appearing in 5 finals means that Wade was a dynasty in Heats.
You cant just find another Al Horford it's deeper than 🏀
😂
Of course their will and tradition determines it will be in Boston or La
I think that’s wrong; 1) I think you’ll have more dynasty like the Spurs where a couple teams will win 3-6 in a 20 year span
Or
2) Players willing to play together and take pay cuts for each other like the Spurs
There will be dynasties as long as owners are willing to pay. Joe Lacob has been paying luxury taxes for a decade. The Lakers, Celtics, Warriors will pay if they are legitimate contenders.
She said lol
You were picking from 100s of billions to billions! 🤣 stop.
Kobe was really apart of 2 dynasties and the second dynasty had the worst supporting cast probably EVER
No one knows how long any star player will remain on one team. There have been 6 different champions in past 6 years…therefore he is right… Nba dynasty eras are over
- from a 41 year old basketball fan
bro rachel does not speak basketball like these guys 😭😭 she talking about it’s gonna change the word of “dynasty” what? no if your dominate and win chips over a small couple of years it’s a dynasty. she doesn’t know ball 😭😭
Why is Keyshawn so bad 👎. And how long will they let their ratings suffer. I guess the analysts are allowed to live out their contracts. Dude is cringeworthy.
Please don't let her talk basketball anymore smh ...
You need 2 BatMans for a dynasty these days. I mean real Batmans. Like Jokic and Joel on the same team. Or prime LeBron and Steph on the same team. Because that 3rd guy aint happening anymore
This topic is so stupid. There will always be dynasties in sports. The NFL had the same problem with the Patriots constanly wining and nobody else being able to match them. Then came the Chiefs
3 in 4 years aswell
The east during the playoffs were all injured with their star player so thats that... 😅
Favorite player u gotta be capping 😂😂😂😂😂
What has sports media become . The warriors Dynasty is over . Nah it’s not 4 titles
What about Magic and Bird?
Im talking teams with 4 rings
.....uh Showtime won 5 Rachael lol
Watching TV
The Spurs were a better Dynasty
The only reason the golden state dynasty existed was Steph’s injury and shitty second contract lol.
The Celtics are built to win 4 straight at least 🎉😂
Jordan's bulls would beat today's Celtics nuggets who ever
They wouldnt talent level is just so much higher only a clown cant see this.. The bulls wouldnt make the finals jordan is a poor 3 pt shooter so what your ganna have only kerr spreading the floor lol dude they would get destroyed
Not prime golden state
@Lazaven they wouldnt beat any of the teams they cant shoot threes spread the floor.. They would be completely overmatched
Curry is full of himself, he's done, and can't stop talking shit.
Let’s say this: the Celtics won’t win another championship with this group of people.
This is just NBA marketing. Welcome back to the 1970s. When we left the 1960s domination by 11 and one, Boston Celtics and the influx of ABA players to create such parody that no one won the championship more than once. Portland, the Washington Bullets and perhaps the Sixers Were the only teams close enough to do it.
We we current to this moment with the influx of international players totally saturating the league with talent. Just like the rules changed to prevent those 1960s Boston Celtics from becoming that type of dynasty, the new rules prevent the Golden State Warriors to become that type of dynasty
Rachel is wrong. The talent level did not increase with the increase of foreign players be ause they aren't better than the US players. They are just as good, but not better.
Still it is More talent than would have been here.
It's was a completely nonsensical point. She talks as if the Euros are all elite players, no they are not. I'd argue the talent level has decreased. Players today are paid too much to early, resulting in only a handful of players being motivated enough to do what it takes to get to and stay on top. You look at the previous dynasties and they all had that one guy or 2 driven to be the best in a way that you don't see today. Look at Luka, he in the top 5 of the nba right now but this dude is not motivated enough to get into great shape so he can be the best he can be. That attitude you see across the league trickles on down to the whole team.
The refs determines who can be. The let draymond foul and illegal screen constantly.
Listen there will never be another NBA Dynasty that's it with how NBA is going with all these soft players in now definitely there will never be....
Hello.... Spurs
Steph will win 2 more rings before its over with....
Keyshawn doesnt know a thing blabbin his mouth. You cant just go find another al horford at all. He just isnt a professional analyst hes always reaching and is unsure what he is even talking about. Why are all these companies throwing people into spots that are clearly unqualified and havent put the work in to be a professional. The show sucks listening to him paul pierce especially richard sherman the self pro claimed genisus that went to Stanford probably for basket weaving and some chinese student passiing his home work in for him but he flaps his gums about it non stop. Driving around drunk getting duis, not his first time driving around drunk just the first time getting caught
Boston they ain't going to win the 2024 / 25 championship I said the same with Denver....
Keyshawn Johnson just not good at this no shame cuz he was my favorite player for 3 years in a row and I hate the Cowboys
Nonsense
3 rings makes you a dynasty not
Really dumb take.. there will ALWAYS be "Dynasties" in sports..ALWAYS. No one has any inkling of "relativism." We might see the beginnings of a new dynasty NEXT season! The league is made of HUMANS. As long as HUMANS are playing ANY sport..there will be Dynasties. It's really shocking how short-sighted people continue to be. It's actually kinda weird🤔
Why is she on this show 🚮🚮🚮
Yes there is more talent in the NBA i mean this point is 100% correct anyone arguing this is a dumb arse
Boston isn’t it sorry
Key be drawling he don’t know wen to stfu
The only reason most foreign players are killing is bc the game is soft now u cant even take their cookies (hand-checking) no real bigs in the middle lol SOFTTTUH
Oh like American players are so hard lol joker is tough any era
She got OLD
Celtics ain’t gonna have the easiest path to the finals every year like they did this year
bye GSW bandwagoners Go back to the Lakers
Who wants to watch the dysfunctional Lakers ? 😂😂