MIKE RUTHERFORD INTERVIEW: GENESIS-‘SUPPER'S READY','THE LAMB','MUSICAL BOX',JAMMING TOGETHER
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MIKE RUTHERFORD, GENESIS co-founder, composer and guitar player, talks to Director John Edginton in the 1ST part of this 2014 interview.
Interviewed and Directed by John Edginton. 23 mins
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Smallcreep's Day is a masterpiece in my opinion. I have listened to it all these years and still find it uplifting and refreshing.
Couldn't agree more. * Plus Simon Phillips on drums!
BTW ... I saw Genesis at Hammersmith Odeon performing A Trick Of The Tail (just after Peter left) ... and I felt such relief ... Genesis were still firing on all cylinders
( very, very, much so! )
Thank you Gentleman for an almost unparalleled Musical and emotional experience from the early years onwards ... There has been virtually nothing like you in musical History.
I got anxious when the phone started ringing in the middle of the interview and I wasn’t even in the room
😂
I like what Mike says about the first album you listen to. Mine was Live Vol 2: The Longs, so I developed a love of all Genesis eras. The Old Medley blew my mind
I don't find it true at all. Like Pink Floyd at various times EVERY Genesis album has been a favourite, for different reasons.
An excellent and in depth interview, which explains the process of it all ... ThankYou!
Thanks so much!
We love these arrogant perfectionists, and we absolutely admire how they spend so much time and effort working on the details, fighting (and winning) each and every battle for the purpose of delivering a perfect piece of music to the public.
If you want to keep rocking, you better keep mocking. 🎉
I see I'm not the only person who noticed that Mike Rutherford managed to NOT mention the other guitar player in Genesis' classic lineup once. Considering that anyone watching this fairly niche upload would be a dyed in the wool Genesis fan, by not mentioning the other guitar player he actually draws attention to what must presumably be a continued animosity on his own part. Which in my mind, doesn't really paint Mr R in a particularly good light.
I agree whole heartedly sir
Yeah, He never mentions THE GREAT STEVE HACKETT. !
Nailed it, Hackett is king and carries the flame! Read my above comment. Charter school boy repressed mentality, Mike has.
I think you are introducing a little too much melodrama. Its the interviewer who keeps mentioning names, at the beginning he is talking specifically about Suppers ready and specifically the end of it, and even Hackett has admitted that he had little to do with it. It was a jam with the three, then Hackett 'added some colour'. So its really not surprising, in fact if you remember the album by album interviews then almost every album Steve is saying "well I was messed up at that point so....". Even on Trick of the Tail he really only has that one track that was his, and Wind and Wuthering has almost always been considered almost a Tony solo album.
It the Sum of the Parts interviews theres the uncomfortable moment when Steve apologizes for the way he left the band, the rest of them no doubt thinking "well, we managed without you".
I would SERIOUSLY doubt, considering that we are now four decades away from the seventies that there would be any animosity to a guitarist they played with way back when. While Genesis always gets tarred with having all those hits, I think Steve had said that Voyage of the Acolyte had a semi hit on it, or at least was very popular. Then Peter had a hit with Solsbury Hill, so doubtless after that the passive aggressive competitive spirit gave them at least an interest in writing 'Follow Me, Follow you". COnsidering that it made them super wealthy, I can't imagine they'd FAULT Steve for that.
I don't know these guys and even they admit they are fairly repressed upper middle class pricks, but Steve mentions that the 1983 reunion show had them all far more emotional than they'd let on. If there is more than that, I don't see it and it would be pretty surprising. I'll leave it at that as I'm embarassed that I actually know this much about the details of a band!
This is only part one of a much longer interview. Sheesh.
Interesting to hear Rutherford reprising the issue of touring the US with the whole of The Lamb before the album was out there, which is basically what Peter Gabriel did with the recent I/O tour. At the opening show in Krakow only one song (Panopticon) had been released at that point. The rest of the material was trickled out every month as the tour progressed. By the time we saw him in Seattle in October last year, there were still around three songs that were new to the audience at that point.
For whatever reasons, in his own right and at least in this interview, you can feel that Mike is not interested to talk about the old Genesis stuff
I kind of thought the opposite, except there is that one part where I don't think he can get his point across that the threatrical stuff was only a tiny part of the show....until the lamb. But I'd suspect it would be somewhat tiring for people to basically write off most of your work to focus on what you only helped produce during one small section of your life. Its kind of like being a grown man and going to a family reunion where your family talks endlessly about some one thing you did when you were 20. I like Neil Pearts line about looking back on yourself as a 20 year old and basically seeing somebody you don't recognize as yourself.
3:43 Nice to see Mike get another Pickettywitch mention in!
Now I have to look them up. Never heard of them
I have no clue what that means. Pickettywitch Is it a British thing. Like he said Pennyworth? I'm from the United States. I love the British slang and accent. I'm learning from UA-cam. "Wanker" is an interesting word Lol
Thank you very interesting)))
As I said before and for many years, NO STEVE HACKETT, NO GENESIS. … As usual He doesn’t talk about the great Master He had right in front of Him playing lead guitar …
Agreed Hackett is king and carries the flame in unparalleled fine fashion!
Why would he? For a lead guitarist Steve wasn't much of a 'lead'. Hell I think I can count more interesting bass parts on a lot of songs. I don't think these things require team allegiances, we're talking about shit from four decades ago.
Steve was always more interested in himself, hence the solo albums he kept putting out and so he never jelled with the band, despite how good he was, he always put his best writing to his solo work which he admitted and so he was often dry when it came to contributing at times and he got frustrated because Tony and Mike would put their writing first, but they could produce more than both Steve and Phil back then.
@@paulchoccyt1303 I think that was only true at first. Later on, even Phil talks about how he would be pissed and ask why if he was 25% of the band he couldn't contribute 25% of the music. And from what we know of Tony from ALL the members the idea that Steve was holding back is pretty improbable.
@@mikearchibald744 Also, I think Steve said himself, he used all his material for his solo albums and when it came to writing he literally had no material to offer aside from a few musical bits he did with the group, so again, although Tony was clearly the Taskmaster of the group, Steve at that point, had exhausted himself and when he did contribute, it probably wasn't to the standards Tony and Mike (also) had set.
Clearly, I think they all agree now, they could have done more to share the writing and ideas better, but back then, Tony and Mike were very set in their ways and no doubt frustrated Steve and Phil often, but more so Steve.
Hard to hear the interviewer's questions. Frustrating...
Amazing how Mike never gives Steve a mention.
You can tell by where the relationships continued where the problems were and possibly where the loyalty lied. As this interview might be showing. I am aware of who there definitely was a problem.
Steve left the band out of the blue and is now making tons of money playing their music. I'm not sure how that could be bad for them because the other members are certainly getting paid their royalties from his performances. But, from an ethical point of view, it may come across as a bit of a sketchy behaviour.
@@RodrigoPalmieriMusic marginally off topic but it's a thing that i realized time ago and now have the opportunity to discuss: all the albums until "the Lamb" (included) are credited to all members, which Is pretty rare as attitude: despite Banks delivered the 70%(or more) of all the musical ideas, he somehow recognized that the realization was a team effort he couldn't get by himself alone. The demonstration of that Is individually they never produced music as good as when they worked together ( whatever Gabriel and Collins fans may say.....)
@Sekalator Revisited Don't try to make up things here. Exactly those things spread as gossip bs. Mike is responding to holistic Genesis related questions. If Mike had issues with Steve he wouldn't have contributed on his solo album.
Hey Rondo, There is no gossip here, if you don't like my opinion that is fine. Cheers
Anyone else think Mike sounds a lot like Chris Tarrant?
A very patient Mike Rutherford. Shame about the sound recording. Can't hear some of the questions.
Sorry try CC closed captions
What happened to the full interview?
Unfortunately it has been blocked! Although I was the director and have nurtured these videos back into life from an old drive, the ultimate copyright is not in my hands. Sadly most of the Genesis stuff on my channel took a big hit last week. I know fans will be disappointed. So am I.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Sorry to hear!
@@RGB06084 I’m slowly revising the Genesis videos to take into account the copyright issue and re-uploading them. I hope to have Mike’s back soon now
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Okay then, that's great to hear!
‘I’m sure Banks disagrees’ 😂 Mary Poppins vibes in that statement.
He calls him Tony a minute or two earlier... methinks "Banks" applies when it starts to feel a bit like school again.
Nice interview. I like Mike, he's a good composer and bassist, but he's nowhere near as good guitar player as Steve.
I assumed Steve Hackett wrote that pretty piece of guitar at the start of 'Suppers Ready'. Every day is a school day on UA-cam.
He did .. horizons is a separate piece
Yeah Mike is talking about Lover's Leap, not Horizons which is a solo Hackett piece
Horizons isn't part of Supper's Ready, it just happens to be just before it on the LP...
Thanks for the heads up on 'Horizons', dudes. Consider me schooled.
If you want an example of great acoustic Steve melody, listen to the middle 8 of 11th Earl of Mar ‘Time to go to bed now…’
Didn't Genesis once used to be a five piece band?. My mind is a bit rusty but wasn't that ensemble referred to as the classic line up?. What was that guitarist name?, the one who recorded 6 albums with Genesis?, the one who's interplay with Tony Banks is far more elegant and sophisticated than anything Mr Rutherford could come up with even if he practised every day for the next thousand years. What is the name of that guitarist?, the one who was involved in more Genesis releases than Mr Gabriel himself, if you are to include the live albums. The one who's solo output alone far exeeds the combined output of the remaining Genesis collaborators. The guy who never got mentioned once in this interview and barely gets a mention in Rutherford's book. It's the guy who is constantly air brushed out the Genesis history by the remaing three or only ever mentioned as a footnote. That guys name is Steve Hackett and his outstanding contribution to Genesis cannot be ignored Mr Rutherford!. It could be argued that if Steve Hackett was to sit down on the toilet for his morning discharge the result would probably have more creativity in it than anything Rutherford has done in Genesis since Steve's departure
If you've watched interviews with Mike Rutherford he mentions he's not a guitarist as such and always wanted to be a songwriter. Just because he doesn't throw his head back and go for it doesn't make him less a musician. Is Steve Hackett "shit" because he can't play like Allan Holdsworth?
@@brandon1351 rutherford isn't a pimple on a musicians arse, if you know music you will know he is a one trick pony playing 1 5 1 8 which he has incorporated through out his career. His early contributions to Genesis are pieces of music he nicked off Anthony Phillips. The intro to Smallcreeps Day is lifted for Pink Floyd Animals. As for song writing BA Robertson co wrote most of his hits. Does Rutherford read? No he doesn't! and can he even keep time No he can't! just listen to some of the early isolatedbass parts on Genesis tracks for proof. His 2 solo albums aren't even in print any more. He only ever play 1 or 2 note riffs that in musicians language doesn't even constitute a basic chord and as for augmented chords Rutherford thinks they are something you wear on your bottom half usually accompanied with a blazer or a tank top. Steve Hackett as been acknowledged many times as an influence by many of today's top muso's Van Halen, Malmsteen to name just 2. Apart from yourself who has Rutherford ever influenced. By the way Hackett doesn't throw his head back and go for it. Now run along and play your invisible touch album there's a good boy
He has some pretty slick basslines actually: return of the giant hogweed, the knife, colony of slippermen, in the cage.... Shall I go on?
As for B.A Robertson & Chris Neil, he chose them to work with as from his own words "I work much better in a collaborative environment" typical internet troll, spouting your "mouth off" without much knowledge. No I don't know how to read or write music, so now you'll conjure up some impotent insult about my lack of musical theory. :)
I know, people always overlook Mick Barnard!
@@FlyingPhilUK yep that's true, John silver, Chris Stewart John Mayhew, Ant Phillips, there all in there but sadly overlooked
Love Mike and genesis, but I know the guys around the time of the lamb performances got irritated cuz Pete was getting all the press on the cover of melody maker(the slipperman outfit, Phil said- "you couldn't get a microphone anywhere near him")and other publications. And they felt Pete was starting to go to far cuz every one was talking about what Pete wore and did the day after the show instead of talking about the musical performance. What's interesting is Mike still has a "axe to grind" about it at 9:45 into the interview. The "stiff upper lip" Charter school boy mentality, is a huge part of his, Pete's and Tony's personality even now. A bit repressed. But hell who the f*ck cares! Lol, the music is timeless!
44 years after Steve Hackett left Genesis, he's still a more popular member of the band than Mike Rutherford, judging by any comment section I read, so no wonder Mike can't bring himself to mention Steve's name even once. Maybe Mike thinks Steve has complained about the circumstances of why he left Genesis just too often, for his liking. But whatever behaviour there is of Steve's, that Mike justifies to deliberately exclude him from his conversation, is incomparable with the tantrums he has witnessed, swallowed whole, and defended when it comes to Tony Banks, and at the cost of others, so he is a public school mafia hypocrite, for his nose in the air, stiff upper lip disdain for Steve. I think Tony has got a bit better over the years, once his intellect matured enough for him to realise what a nasty, snide piece of work he could be, and that he helped drive his great friend Peter Gabriel away, giving Peter the excuse he was looking for to leave Genesis, but Mike just gets worse. He thinks he's a gentleman, and he also thinks Steve is not. The English public school system breeds self confidence, even if that confidence is unjustified by the self. Hate class snobism, but love the music.........
@@Johnedgintononnicegrammmmmmm
Your offer of a prize is a con💨💨....
To this day, any chance he gets, Steve is still complaining about the circumstances that led him to leave the band, while touring with that music. Annoying....As for your ''social'' comments, Mike and cokney Phil have always been quite close, I tend to think the problem is personal, class related and Steve didn't make many friends in Genesis, quite telling interviews with Phil, fellow grammar school lad, in 81, you can find them on UA-cam.
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You must have chosen to leave a reply under my comment for a reason, but am not sure what it is, since you haven't contradicted anything I've written.
Steve and Peter have remained friends. Peter employed Steve in the first place, and recognised that Steve was shy and somewhat overwhelmed by the public school confidence of those 3, whilst Phil always had confidence through going to drama school. He was acting at a young age and could hold his own amongst the 'toffs' in the band with his sense of humour, which Steve could not. Steve gaining some confidence and no longer allowing himself to be pushed around by Tony was his problem, since Mike always sided with Tony, although more recently he's been more scathing about him. As for Phil, not only can he not hold down a marriage, he falls out with everyone sooner or later. Look at him and Chester Thompson.
Living cheek by jowl on the road for years, and having big personality ego clashes where one band mate tries to out compete the other, led to the demise of most rock bands, including Genesis, but for a few moments under the rock firmament, that friction also led to music of great quality.
In the end, when they're all dead, only the music will matter..........
It's unsettling, as a lifelong fan of both Genesis and Steve Hackett as a solo artist, to see him continuously disrespected in interviews such as this. I expect a higher standard of professionalism Michael.
You are right, meanwhile Steve Hackett always speaks kindly, always classy about each and everyone of them.
where actually in the interview that Mike disrespect Steve?
@@ykn9240 I think the original poster was referring to the absence of any mention of Steve in this interview. To be fair, that’s partly because the interviewer never pressed Mike to talk about Steve, at least in this part of the interview. Both Tony and Phil talk about Steve in their interviews on this channel (Tony in fairly complimentary terms, in fact, which surprised me)
@@johnhoerl7326 yea..the interviewer asked about Phil, but not Steve. so no disrespect towards Steve whatsoever.
yeah, I think some fans of Steve are kind of looking to grind that axe. From interviews we all know that Steve was somewhat held back, but we never really heard that it was because of Mike. I think it COULD have been, because Tony has said that Steve was useful to help him stretch things out and go to weird new places. We know they had a quasi democracy that Steve could never get his stuff in, Phil has said that the rest of them just didn't like it, so who knows. We know that Mike felt bad about Anthony leaving and Peter had the find the guitarist. So yeah, could be something to that, in no interviews does Mike really talk much about Steve, but who cares. Its not his obligation to bring up subjects.
Oh, I would also leave Genesis with him and Tony Banks in the band. And Phil Collins.