I was a music Major. 100% of what I learned I use every day because I made it that way. I chose classes which would be applicable towards what I wanted to achieve in school. Sure, a great number of my professors were lazy, incompetent progressives who ranted about dead white men, but that's what the library was for. With that said, college was a complete disappointment and I did not go on...because going to the library does not require going into debt. (And I graduated in the 90s. )
Any taxpayer American should read this book and demand changes to our school system, it starts at the local level, we need to let them know we demand a REAL change NOW! Failing to address this important issue will be a huge mistake for future generations of students in the US.
End mandatory school. Everyone should be able to efficently learn how to do a good job they want. If they and their parents cant afford it tax deductable chairty or taxes could pay for it
many employers dont actually care if they have those degrees exsept they only care cuz gov mandates they have them to work in that job. Getting degrees doesnt mean u r very smart, and doing bad in school doesnt mean u r dumb and not hard working. School doesnt make students good citizens, it treats them like slaves and teaches them to use violence force ans coercion to get what they want. School teaches kids to be dependent on gov to a large degree and act like governments slaves. Schools punish socializiation to a large degree. Get rid of the no child left alone, i mean no child left behind act.
Actually what he says is different. The companies want employees that don't question their employers, are smart at learning, and finish whatever they decide to work on. Completing degrees certifies that you are highly likely of being a good worker, but outside of STEM all you were taught at school is useless. If the government stops subsidizing college thus reducing the amount of degrees then companies will hire less educated people because not having a degree isn't as bad a signal.
Sloppy speaking leads to sloppy thinking. (or is a result thereof.) Education is vital. Schooling is largely a waste of time and resources, for it works to train people WHAT to think rather than showing them HOW to think.
Enjoyed this talk.. his interview on the Innovation Hub podcast was also very good. I'd like to hear a dialogue between Clayton and Eric Weinstein (who is much more bullish on the U.S. education system). For example, on the Hidden Brain podcast ('What's not on the Test') suggests school may not help with IQ or future employment, but the structure and discipline has long lasting benefits to the student. It's also not as easy to quantify the societal impacts, but as an example, those completing high school versus getting a GED are much more likely to be healthier/better relationships/etc. BTW, the recent Freakonmics episode (#377), 60 Minutes (NYU Tuition Free segment), and Planet Money (#903) have all had good episodes on changes to school financing!
Re. the introductory speaker ... Russian fairy tales - basic narrative theory, really, probably encompassing the insights of Vladimir Propp and pretty essential for understanding the stories which still structure most Hollywood output and the fevered imaginations of Donald Trump's brain; the role of vampires in British literature - a good introductory insight into notions of the "horror" of the Other, all the more relevant during these times of knee-jerk, unreflexive immigrant bashing; and sexism in classical mythology, essential for understanding quite how deep rooted and effectively invisible are our (mis)understandings of gender roles and the 'appropriate' behaviours associated with them. So all in all, an excellent preparation for life in the warped and perverse world of the C21st psyche. Alternatively, you can just undergo a completely instrumental and inhuman (or, maybe, better, ahuman) indoctrination into the ways of neo-liberal business ontology and become a zombie shill for corporate interests. I know where I believe the future of the species lies. Caplan, meanwhile, makes one good point (repeatedly) regarding the reality of signalling as a phenomenon, but then gives away his narrow, parochial and elitist coordinates by imagining that the only 'culture' that education should be directing us towards is German opera and Shakespeare and designated "high culture". Ho-hum.
Currently reading the book. Basically, everything he's saying any honest person intuitively understands but doesn't want to really talk about.
Any other books you recommend? I liked Predictably Irrational and Thinking Fast & Slow.
I was a music Major. 100% of what I learned I use every day because I made it that way. I chose classes which would be applicable towards what I wanted to achieve in school. Sure, a great number of my professors were lazy, incompetent progressives who ranted about dead white men, but that's what the library was for. With that said, college was a complete disappointment and I did not go on...because going to the library does not require going into debt. (And I graduated in the 90s. )
"going to the library doesn't require you to go into debt."
Any taxpayer American should read this book and demand changes to our school system, it starts at the local level, we need to let them know we demand a REAL change NOW! Failing to address this important issue will be a huge mistake for future generations of students in the US.
End mandatory school.
Everyone should be able to efficently learn how to do a good job they want. If they and their parents cant afford it tax deductable chairty or taxes could pay for it
What is justice?
Getting employed for what you used to know 😂.
Crazy!
I have to read the book just because of that line.
many employers dont actually care if they have those degrees exsept they only care cuz gov mandates they have them to work in that job.
Getting degrees doesnt mean u r very smart, and doing bad in school doesnt mean u r dumb and not hard working.
School doesnt make students good citizens, it treats them like slaves and teaches them to use violence force ans coercion to get what they want.
School teaches kids to be dependent on gov to a large degree and act like governments slaves.
Schools punish socializiation to a large degree.
Get rid of the no child left alone, i mean no child left behind act.
Actually what he says is different. The companies want employees that don't question their employers, are smart at learning, and finish whatever they decide to work on. Completing degrees certifies that you are highly likely of being a good worker, but outside of STEM all you were taught at school is useless. If the government stops subsidizing college thus reducing the amount of degrees then companies will hire less educated people because not having a degree isn't as bad a signal.
Please, take better care of the audio. Thanks.
its fine
The Case Against Propaganda to Children
If tour kid isn't taking a clear career pathway attending college- you're wasting their precious time & money
Sloppy speaking leads to sloppy thinking. (or is a result thereof.) Education is vital. Schooling is largely a waste of time and resources, for it works to train people WHAT to think rather than showing them HOW to think.
I upped the volume to the maximum, but heard barely anything.
Enjoyed this talk.. his interview on the Innovation Hub podcast was also very good. I'd like to hear a dialogue between Clayton and Eric Weinstein (who is much more bullish on the U.S. education system). For example, on the Hidden Brain podcast ('What's not on the Test') suggests school may not help with IQ or future employment, but the structure and discipline has long lasting benefits to the student. It's also not as easy to quantify the societal impacts, but as an example, those completing high school versus getting a GED are much more likely to be healthier/better relationships/etc.
BTW, the recent Freakonmics episode (#377), 60 Minutes (NYU Tuition Free segment), and Planet Money (#903) have all had good episodes on changes to school financing!
I love this person!!
His comments on the unimportance of indoctrination in schools have not aged well
Dang it, my mind has been blown so many times by this talk it's not even funny.
The examples and the train of though are also very easy to follow.
LOVE IT!!! Keep the good stuff coming :)
Life is all about paper mache bisons
Re. the introductory speaker ... Russian fairy tales - basic narrative theory, really, probably encompassing the insights of Vladimir Propp and pretty essential for understanding the stories which still structure most Hollywood output and the fevered imaginations of Donald Trump's brain; the role of vampires in British literature - a good introductory insight into notions of the "horror" of the Other, all the more relevant during these times of knee-jerk, unreflexive immigrant bashing; and sexism in classical mythology, essential for understanding quite how deep rooted and effectively invisible are our (mis)understandings of gender roles and the 'appropriate' behaviours associated with them. So all in all, an excellent preparation for life in the warped and perverse world of the C21st psyche. Alternatively, you can just undergo a completely instrumental and inhuman (or, maybe, better, ahuman) indoctrination into the ways of neo-liberal business ontology and become a zombie shill for corporate interests. I know where I believe the future of the species lies. Caplan, meanwhile, makes one good point (repeatedly) regarding the reality of signalling as a phenomenon, but then gives away his narrow, parochial and elitist coordinates by imagining that the only 'culture' that education should be directing us towards is German opera and Shakespeare and designated "high culture". Ho-hum.