His play style is unique and satisfying at the same time. I've already put too much investment and I don't have yinlin. I'll always prioritize enjoyment over meta
You can't make Calcharo the strongest because of meta I can make Calcharo the strongest because he makes my gameplay badass and fun ... we're not the same.
100% agree, I have a day 1 launch account that mains him with Yinlin as a sub and Spectro rover as another main from another side of the TOA team, even after the TOA buff ends I intend to use him and Yinlin for the Hazard zone, since Rover and Changli will be for the other side, honestly even the TOA design is perfect for old characters its amazing.
On my 2nd account, I even use Lion boy and I'm having a ton of fun so to be fair for users who play for the fun of it we are technically immune to the meta
and also weirdly not time-stopping just like other character's ultimate. You lose approx. 2.6 seconds at timer watching him doing that flashy intro animation..
I was never really hyped for Calcharo just because of his damage, didn't get him, fav over meta always. Playing your favorite character is always the best way to play
I like the extra difficulty when playing my game. The satisfaction is quite different than me one shot everything. I saved stronger characters for events with timer and used character that I love (stronger or not) on overworld.
A good pairing with him is surprisingly Yaunwu, since his shield and interruption resistance will allow Calcharo to do his full combo without dying, especially since we can break the stagger bar much faster meaning free dmg. I currently run Calcharo, Yinlin, Yaunwu and they shred TOA and Holograms (that don't have electro res lol)
Calcharo already lost when the nerf was announced, jinhsi, jiyan, changli and encore already topped calcharo after they nerfed calcharo and Yinlin, but the only one really affected by Yinlin nerf is calcharo.
Calcharo is the reason I decided to download the game (in addition to testing the power of my new PC). It was literally the character for which I said "if I don't get it out, I'll uninstall the game and never touch it again." I started playing a few days after of 1.1, so I haven't been able to experience him with the best composition (Yinlin), nor did I get to play him before the nerf, but still the character is so unique and genuinely fun to play, that I don't want to leave him on the bench for more optimal or broken characters. What's more, I got Jinhsi next to her weapon, and the difference in damage between her and Calcharo is quite noticeable, but I still prefer to play him over Jinhsi because it's much more fun for me. I have a slight hope that Kuro Games will take notice of the status of some characters like Calcharo and Lingyang and give them changes to their kit, or even changes to their base damage to make them more viable to play in the game's more demanding content.
Hello it seems you like calcharo like me, i main him heres a tip I found 5:12 you can dodge cancel the animation on his 2nd skill. The sequence goes like this, BA, BA2, BA3, skill1, BA, Skill2, dodge, skill3. His kit isn't that clunky since you can actually cancel his animations. You can effortlessly charge his forte this way and with death messenger thing is that when it goes into the start of his death messenger you can swap to a different character to give him invincibility then switch back to him. This way you can safely land his special move without being stuck in his long animation.. it will need a bit of practice tho hope this helps 👍
@@ikuzo5847 Yup. I keep on practicing with him and his cancels. I'm still not good with the swap cancel mechanic (or with him, in general), but at least I can do the E2 cancel smoothly, same with ult's B3 dodge cancel to charge DM smoothly Having said that, I'm building a Sanhua cuz she's fast and funny to play, and I don't have another sub DPS that fits Calzone like her. I know Changli is another good partner for him, but so much swap cancel overwhelmed me. Do you have any advice for this?
@@wildcrown340 yuanwu could work well with him. I haven't built bim yet because i have already built sanhua with moonlit clouds set. Yuanwu gives interruption resistance and faster guard depletion which is really helpful for calcharo. I will upgrade him soon since I already have a moonlit set I'll swap those echos on him. And his enhanced E stays after swapping characters too making him a really good character to be placed with calcharo instead of sanhua. Imma have to compare soon
the optimal way to play Calcharo is not doing 5 basic sequences and Death messenger, his optimal damage is 3 basics, dodge 2 basics, DM and repeat, aimiing to do 3 Dearh Messengers during Resonance Liberation, meaning u have to manage between dodging and doing the first 3 basics, that fucks him up, if he gets a stack from dodge attack is a blessing cuz u get punished by doing that, and u can cancel second activation of resonance skill by dodging, the combo is, RS - 1 basic - RS2 - dodge - Basic 1 - Basic 2 - RS3, this combo takes practice to do
Calcharo is the Jing Yuan of WuWa. Heavily encumbered by game mechanics, needs high investment to do significant damage, and immediately falls apart if you don't run him with specific enabler characters. Turns KINGcharo into MIDcharo.
As a Calcharo main I really like the character design & combat style. I got Jiyan's signature weapon for him and Yinlin to support him. I have invested a ton of resources leveling him and his skills so I'm not gonna swap just because we are getting a newer version. I'd rather allocate my resources to building Changli.
True also calcharo is cooler than Yao kiddo I just don't build any one of both so idk may I just play who stronger or the most strong one without yinlin bcuz I don't her and I don't really want her
you should consider changing his weapon, Jiyan weapon’s stat only triggered when you use heavy attack, but cal dmg mainly through basic atk and resonance liberation, instead using the weapon from battlepass call autumntrace, its kit worked really well on calcharo, and you can easily level it up to rank 5
@@BrotherAhmad. bro im just saying, jiyan wp can do the job, but you loose like 50% of its potential on calcharo, and the bp it not that “whale”, whale is like throwing hundreds even thousands dollars on gacha games, this is just battle pass, apart from weapon you can have many other things, materials, currency, even echoes etc, so it kinda worth the money, and it not that expensive anyway
@@huytran7487 Jiyans weapon is still better on Calcharo simply for the stats it provides. No 4 star weapon even at rank 5 is equal to stats provided by a 5 star weapon in this game. His best in slot right now would be Jinshis weap followed by Jiyans and the standard 5 star and only then Battlepass R5 followed by Helios Cleaver. Don't spread misinformation where money is involved.
I main Calcharo, I have him at S3, and I expected this. He may be a five star, but he's a standard five star. No way is he on the same level as the main DPS units from limited banners. I know that he's going to be forgotten as more 5 star characters are introduced, but I still play him because I enjoy his playstyle.
Actually the outro skill buff change only really affected Calcharo tbh. The best thing is for Calcharo to get a rework or skill balancing if we really want him to be meta. As pointed out in the video his kit just somehow goes against how WuWa's general combat is played. So a revamp of his skills should do the trick but the current outro effect is fine as it is.
it's currently affecting calcharo only but with changli it will affect the other fusion characters , and if they keep on making buffs this way this will be a major issue , i agree with the rest tho
@@stioorg that's fine it's good that we look at some of the game's features differently, but what's important is we all agree Sephiroth at home did fall off and could really use some skill rework at the very least
I don't even want him to be meta, I just want his skills to be anti interrupting. Imagine using your liberation, and you can use your character, then not give him anti interrupt. Lol he's already weak as is ( at least not weaker than Linyang, ) and for his bread and butter to be interrupted is infuriating
@@BBSOCUTE yeah they hit hard. Just wanted to mention it because some people making comments don't know his kit or how to use him. Or think he's bad because he can't auto parry. We've known since release he has slower attack animations. Not sure why people are reacting like he just came out lol maybe they just started using him more recently
Meta really don't matter in a single player game. Just play what you want. I'm mainly using Jinhsi rn but Calcharo is my first DPS unit and I beat Mourning Aix Holo 6 using him 🔥
Nice, this analysis seems more or less accurate from what I know. There is the detail that you don't need to do 5 of his basic attack string in his Reso Liberation form, but rather just hit 5 basic attacks. There's still the same issue in that if you do a perfect doge, it slows down your progress towards getting a full Forte Circuit and allows you to potentially miss the 3rd Death's Messenger, almost cutting his RL damage by 1/3. The solutions are more or less correct too. I don't understand why they made the timings on Death's Messenger so tight. There are a variety of ways to fix that issue, and you mentioned them in the video. However the Quick Swap buff retention mechanic is not likely to return. I suspect the reason why it was removed was exactly because it raised the skill ceiling, while also alienating mobile players. The devs may not want mobile players to feel like they are missing out on a powerful tech that's significantly harder to do on mobile. I do believe them when they say that the tech was unintended. The Wavedash from Super Mash Bros Melee comes to mind, it was a tech that was discovered after the game's release, not something programed into the game on purpose. Onto "fixing" Calcharo, there other other ways besides giving him Forte Circuit stacks on Perfect doge. They could for example, take a page out of Jinhsi's book. Rather than making it so he needs to hit 5 times to get a full bar, give him a locked basic attack sequence just like Jinhsi, and advance the Forte Circuit for every basic attack. Increase the duration of the Resonance Liberation so people are less pressured to throw out all the tricks in the book to race to the 3rd one, and instead make it so doing the 3rd Death's Messenger ends the RL state just like how doing Jinhsi's E ends her Incarnation state. I think the worst feeling when playing Calcharo is when you miss the 3rd Death's Messenger because the boss repositions, or you do a Perfect Doge, time slows down, but your Resonance Liberation timer doesn't tick down any slower, so you get punished for Perfect Dodging. There's another possibility that can help Calcharo return to the meta even if they change nothing, the release of characters that can shore up his weaknesses. For example, if we get a character that can quickly and easily give Calcharo a huge amount of shields and interruption resistance, he can unga bunga his way into 3 Death's Messengers. Alternatively more sub dps with "all ally" buffs like Verina. Verina is not like Yinlin in that since her buffs simultaneously hit every character at once, quick swapping does not remove them.
So FOR NOW the remedy for Calcharo's situation is S4 yuan yu then. Yuan wu's kit: Ult/Resonance Liberation gives a team wide interruption resistance (havent tested it yet but it is written in Yuan Wu's skill description) His 4th sequence effect summary: Using Ultimate/Resonance Liberation gives a BEEFY team wide shield which scales with Yuan Wu's defence stats. The aspect of Calcharo's dmg is up to the players to level his skills and the right stats and (hopefully) its enough to compensate the damage without Yinlin's buff.
@najmifarhan6052 Yeah, that might be a good solution. It's up to people to test the rotation and the power of his buffs to see if he can smoothly fit into a Calcharo team comp. There could be a finding that he slows things down without meaningfully helping Calcharo, or he could be the key to helping Calcharo land consistent dps. I also considered Taoqi, but she feels too slow when it comes to building Concerto Energy and her Outro buff doesn't help Calcharo much. A healing set S4 Yanwu with Yinlin or Verina might not be too bad to aid Calcharo.
@@najmifarhan6052 what about jianxin or taoqi? they give shields. wouldn't that more or less help calcharo finish his 5 normal attacks to build his stacks?
@@jonmanilenio setting the rules: If the value of playing Calcharo is determined by the 'fun' aspect of it: Using Calcharo is 'fun' to me, when I can do the full combo, without any interruption. While yes Taoqi and Jianxin have shields like Yuan Wu S4, they don't have the unique interruption resistance buff only given by Yuan Wu ult in the game for now. I'm really sorry if this sounded a tad bit condescending as it is not my intention.
I don't think the quick swap mechanic will back soon and instead we will have more buffer like Verina for quick swap archetype imo. And to fix Calcharo, Kuro can release a character that easily generate shield. Jianxin shield is currently to clunky to get properly. These 2 solutions will sell more for Kuro too, maybe thats why
i use jianxin, and i don't really agree with you that her shield is clunky to get. it does take time though, but at least it generates aoe damage. taoqi is another shielder worth mentioning.
The only reason they removed the outro buff on quick swap is because it would make almost the entire roster quite strong and not susceptible to powercreep thus purpose of selling new limited banner characters to replace the original roster even harder. I can't think of another reason.
because they just play calcharo wrong . I watch some player that use calcharo mostly for his ulti after break boss shield with yinlin and he deal so much damage rather than switch swap like that
It reminds me of diluc (also WAS the strongest DPS in 1.0 (or maybe even later), but later was eventually weaker and completely forgotten after Hu Tao came out)
maybe kuro ll buff him directly (which they do to under perform chara in PGR) or make a new system to buff outdate charas like leap system in PGR Since Kuro games i a good listener dev, please do lots of feed back so they ll think a solution for it
The main issue with Calcharo is that his attack animations are too slow and delayed between attacks making hus vulnerability during attacks and parry a pain to deal with. I always end up defaulting to ji yan or havoc rover because their attacks are faster
Regardless... I've done this mistake when i played genshin of playing only meta character and worrying too much about how big damage they are going to give and how valuable are they to my account. With this game I'll play characters i like. Wether it be there design or gameplay. Whatever is fun to me is what I'm gonna play regardless if they are meta or not.
calcharo and yinlin were the biggest reasons i started the game but after realizing that having low ping affects how well you can stack him up and he just wasnt fun coz i couldnt get stacks by the time his ult ended especially when jiyan had no such issues
Great video! But! -Calcharo second E can be dash canceled. So his "E" does not fully lock you in the animation. -When in ungabunga mode (ult) you can cancel the 3rd attack (when he swipes upward with his sword, like a uppercut)with a dash to repeat and get stacks faster (as performing all of his 5 basics in ult takes a lot of time, and you do have to stand still to be able to perform 3 Death messengers if you are not dash cancelling his 3rd basic). This is honestly okay, as it puts Calcharo's skill cieling a bit higher. For easier cancelling one can also use "E" after the 3rd basic Also the problem with Calcharo that you did not adress. Is that Calcharo & Yinlin was made for quickswapping. Proof: Calcharo & Yinlin has the most quickswap interactions of any character. -Calcharo ult (You can swap from him, to a different character, swap back and still have his ult running (WHICH are one of the key reasons i believe he was made to be quickswapped)!!! -Calcharo death messenger (gives you a 2 second window to quickswap, there is no reason in a fast paced game that a character should use two seconds and get stuck in the air to perform his special move, if it is not to be quickswapped) Proof: Encore has a similar mechanic, here also it is intended to quickswap Encore when she "self destructs" (Do not have her so no idea what it is called) -Yinlin has so many quickswap interactions that putting her together with Calcharo made them a perfect synergized team in CBT. -Her sit down mechanic (forte) -> Swap -Her 3rd and 4th basic -> Swap -Her intro into 4th basic -> Swap -Her E -> Ult -> E -> Swap Also the only reason Calcharo and Yinlin was extremely powerful in CBT 2 is because some people had the APM to actually play 2 characters at once, perfectly. Which like you mentioned was a extreme expression of skill and was only healthy for the game, since you did not have to play like that to clear TOA, but it was something that when done properly rewarded you with more damage and added diversity to an already good combat system. (Because if played normally you would not beat Jiyan's team, it only out-damaged Jiyan if someone mastered the quickswap syngery between Calcharo and Yinlin). Danjin is also the best 4* character, if you have the skill to pilot her. But yes, contrary to Calcharo her kit does not punish you in any way (except for the loss of heatlh) Instead her kits rewards you with more damage and i-frames so that you can take advantage of a very aggresive playstyle with her. Proof: Danjin's dodge counter gives the character i-frames and when you hold LMB after dodge you will go into a another i-frame. This is one of the reasons she is so good, as it allows for a aggresive high DPS playstyle at the risk of getting one shooted, but forces you to utilize her i-frames properly. -If you utilize her "E" properly you can also put a mark on the enemy, where they take increased damage. Calcharo's state can be compared to a version of Danjin where her dodge counter attack does not give her s, and you spin into your death. Meanwhile like you said Calcharo's kit is very punishing even when you are playing the game properly in the current state of the game. Proof: (Like mentioned) if Calcharo misses one "E" he can not fill his forte bar. (Normal mode, i'm not sure if you gain a stack if you use "E" in his ult mode ( I can not remember) -If Calcharo has to dodge, he does not gain a forte stack and his dodge counter is not close to the damage of one death messenger. And his biggest downside now: He loses outro buffs (except for Verina buff) When he swaps to a different character, which again punishes a kit that was designed around quickswapping. If we look at Chixia Proof: Chixia a 4* character will regen her forte by using E and not hitting the target. So if you have her dupes you can easily proc. her Forte mechanic. -Her dodge counter also has a very high DPS multiplier so that even if you hold "E" so that you can trigger the forte boost, but in case you have to dodge to not get hit, you will not lose out on much DPS becaues of the dodge counter DPS multiplier that Chixia has. -> Even though having two charges of her "E" is a sequence, it allows Chixia to easily spam her Forte, and even if you're "run and gun" gets interrupted, as long as you dodge you will still deal an considerable amount of DPS. Allowing you to keep up an aggresive DPS playstyle. So calcharo's state can be compared to a Chixia with a low dodge counter dps multiplier & her "E" does not regen any forte if it is not hitting the target, The only things Calcharo really has going for him currently: -The character looks freaking awesome, his visuals and skills are very well designed (AESTHETICALLY) -He has a really good parry attack (Basic attack 1) -When you are able to pull of his current playstyle smoothly it feels amazing. (Untill the game reminds you that there are characters that can do more for way less) -I (Personally) like how his "E" is (BUT) I do not like how his Forte stackings is. Fixes to Calcharo Either bring back swap mechanic Or -reduce the amount of hits needed to trigger a death messenger in ult from 5 to 3. This would allow players to more consistently trigger a death messenger in his ult and reach the (3 death messengers you should every ult). -Make it so that in normal state & ult state you always get a stack whenever you use E no matter if it hits the target or not. -Increase dodge counter DPS multiplier (so that the damage is equal to 1 death messenger) or make it so that it generates 1-2 stacks on a perfect dodge. (1 stack if only 3 basics are needed, 2 stacks if 5 basics are still needed)
Lmao I saw this coming on day one Everyone was treating him like sephiroth but he’s more like diluc😂 Everyone treats one 5 star like he’s the goat at launch then falls off not to long after
@@Kinger_of_the_circus Idk what you mean, there's plenty main dps better than him already. The only reason ppl play Calc is his cool look and gameplay or they already spent their resources on him
5:12 you can dodge cancel the animation on his 2nd skill. The sequel goes like this, BA, BA2, BA3, skill1, BA, Skill2, dodge, skill3. His kit isn't that clunky since you can actually cancel his animations.
Btw this is not a hoyo game so we can't not 100% think they will not change characters kit or give them a buff In pgr every pach they give an awakening thing to old characters 4* and 5* it gave them buffs and extra skills Like 4* lucia down when's from a usless lightning attacker to an A tier And there where a 5* standard healer live when from a good healer to a nuker literally We can expect after like 7 months or something an upgrade like this ig
They literally buffed havoc rover to be able to do a charged attack much quicker after their final normal attack string, it’s 100% possible more characters will get buffed and tweaked more as time goes on
@@_an1s_ pretty early on, it was about a week or two after launch i noticed the charged attack could be used after Rover's final hit string, though I dont recall it being specifically stated in patch notes, so chances are it was tweaked in secret.
People don't know that he was nerf on release! The machanic that makes him op Kuro just deleted it For good reason ofc , because hes team was dealing more dmg than other limited character That's why!
the solutions is what all character who backload all their dmg at the end of their 4+ combo, is to give a grace period for their combo/buff to not vanish after dodging and will resume if continue attacking right after the dodge.
Maybe they could make it that his Outro Skill attacks like lasts longer, or have bigger stagger damage value(especially with the Liberation version) That and tweak his Forte Heavy attack to have his stan to launches multiple diving stabs in his place and can better autotrack targets in his place
i use him to clear floor 1 2 3 and floor 1 3 from two towers so that i can save energy on better characters to use on more difficult floors and he's great for that lmao i do agree that nerfing the swap mechanic was a bit silly because swaps not cancelling abilities are really cool and that's one reason why i love combat of wuwa so much more than genshin and hi3rd, but to counter that i can see how they wanted to make healers more relevant and they thought that this is the way to go, verina and baizhi have buffs that dont dissapear after swapping so there's a reason to use them besides just healing im also curious how big of a difference that nerf actually makes, what if you change rotation a bit, what if you use yinlin's skills before and just stay on calcharo for a bit longer when yinlin's skills are still on cooldown anyways, this might force you to think about what you do more than just mindlessly swapping between them and using whatever you have
They really need to fix his kits He looks badass, his animation is amazing, his design is great but he feels terrible to play cuz of his forte and burst system is such a pain to use. They could have easily fix him by allowing us to gain Forte gauge when we dodge attack and increase his dmg reduction to 50% instead of 15% on his death messenger that way you can tank 3 hit when you have the bell active. Quickswap with him is really fun but can't do that with Yinlin buff and his intro animation, although really cool, it is a bit much sometimes. He should have been the best standard chara but now I just don't play him cuz of how much of a pain using him in end game and that was with Yinlin, can't imagine other team comp
My biggest problem is that im afraid to use his skill during a fight like crownless because I can't dodge if i use skill and also the skill is his most important source of energy for ult and without ult calcharo is doing no dmg i think just by letting me dodge during skill or giving stks for dodging he will be good dmg wise he doesn't need more dmg
Its kinda fair from business pov that losing buff on swap is to make players want to pull for new 5 star with better stats to compensate. All they need to do is let him gain 1 stack on E (like danjin who gains even when hitting air) and dodge counter. This 2 is enough to make him less clunky while still not posing a threat to future release character.
After playing with Calcharro a lot I think he needs two things. Dodge counters should add stacks to his death messenger and his ultimate should be 1-2 seconds longer. He punishes people with higher ping a lot as you can not even get his final death messenger no matter how fast you spam his normal attack. You are forced to animation cancel his 4th or 5th attack or you will lose the final death messenger.
Here's hoping he gets some love along the way, every character deserves a chance to shine. Lingyang also still out there totally dead so maybe him first. And Aalto. And Taoqi. ;) Gotta admit his potential peak gameplay sounds wayyy too stressful for me personally, but having the option in the game to style so hard would still be a win and super interesting to try.
fixes for calcharo: forte stack on skill use instead of skill hit, skill 2 being cancellable with dodge, improvements to his resonance chain and the top node of his skill tree being something damage instead of reduced damage taken. That's it, nothing weird or hard.
Calcharo is still my favorite character in the game. Probably my most fun team was Calcharo, Jiyan, Baizhi not optimal but their movesets were just fun to use. Now I have Yinlin in place of Jiyan, but I go back sometimes or go no healer with Calcharo, Yinlin, and Jiyan. I barely use Jinshi, Verina outside of the rogue like mode.
unintentional mechanics can give birth to a whole new way of playing a game and improving on it. Take Street Fighter 2 for example, comboes were NEVER intended, but once discovered by players it became a core mechanic in not only just street fighter but the entire fighting game genre
If Kuro is not ever going to bring back the quick swap mechanic they should at least fix his intro (add time stop like many suggested), lets you gain a stack for dodge counter or increase the duration of his ultimate at the least to make it less intensify on getting off 3 death messengers.
i wouldn't mind a calcharo moveset rework. my calcharo rework wishlist looks like this... - short snappy 3 hit basic attack string - resonance skill summoned phantom to perform attacks independently of calcharo (like a summonable echo) 3 uses. - forte skips the heavy attack and instantly teleports you upward above an enemy to do the slam attack (replace resonance skill) (heavy attack damage) - liberation should make him play similar to danjin. 3 attack sequence. different skill depending on which attack you use it after. big dumb heavy attack forte. tbh i just want calcharo to be as fun as danjin.
I've just gotta say, I have almost no doubt that they removed that quick swap effect, cause it was a bug that players were abusing. Regardless of weather or not they wanted Jiyan to sell better. Because very clearly the switch mechanic of this game is based on who your active characters is, and the players realized that Calcharo's animation was being counted as him still being on field, and treated as the active character, even though you had switched.
I don't think that is not gonna happen, even far more in future because he is in standard banner. I just hope when his story released Dev will buff him
It's gonna be a long read, but it's important I believe. 02:54 I think this mechanic SHOULDN'T come back because it leads to a lot of potential hidden balance issues. And this also gives more pressure for the combat dev team to balance out chars and ensure they aren't too broken due to interactions like that. The current system is good because it's a trade-off between low energy generation with danger of staying on field, but getting a very powerful Amplified DMG multiplier, vs losing that DMG buff, but getting more safety due to swaps, and also have higher energy generation, since you can swap, and generate energy with a different character. There should ALWAYS be a cost to something, and the cost to more swap gameplay is the loss of an amplified buff. Now I know, this mechanic allowed for a lot of skill expression, but understand that these kinds of interactions are also SUPER hard to balance around, since the devs are human beings as well, it's better to avoid potential future abnormal power scalings due to interactions like this. Also I just think Calcharo mains are mad because their edgelord ain't stronger than a limited DPS. I don't see content about Lingyang being in a bad postition, but somehow people have to glaze Calcharo a lot ,maybe because Sephiroth. I'd like to see more Lingyang content and how he's done really bad, because he's super fun to play. The bias is too clear. About CN being mad about this, let's be real, no one should give a shi about them because apparently they have some hidden agenda on destroying Kuro's reputation. Couldn't care about it. CN can cry more about it, because they can't think from a balance and development PoV, because if that mechanic was kept, any unit with longer animations are now instantly busted because even the dumbest of players can then exploit the mechanic. But if you have to assume that and hence reduce the character's base DMG, now people who don't have the teams to pull off this interaction will be mad and will complain. I hope you see the complication now behind keeping such a system in game.
This. The swap mechanic is equivalent to the snapshotting mechanic of Genshin. Both were design mistake but whiles Genshin didn't realize it sooner and kept it. WuWa did. The only thing Genshin could do was removing snapshot for future unit or make it useless. Snapshot made Xiangling destroy Diluc and no matter what you think a free 4* was most likely not designed to outdps a standard 5*. On top of that swap mechanic like you said only had benefit to the point of overshadowing any other mechanic. A mechanic should have downside but it didn't. Any character with inherent long animation was better than ones with short ones. It also defeated the purpose of wide healer who but everyone (Verina, Baizhi) as you can switch between direct buff (Yinlin, Jianxin) however you want as direct buff inherently buff more but are only active character specific for balance. Direct buff being able to be swap makes Calcharo team and future team prefer this structure and in a game that tries to make healer good, this is not good.
@@dendenmushi9714 Yup. Glad there are more people who understand the imbalance that the mechanic can bring. I'd really love to give the devs more relaxation instead of breaking their head over every single way this mechanic can break the game. It's inhuman to balance around. No XL 2.0, please no, thanks.
@@d_roy_ Its because Gamers =/= Devs. This 2 sides are genuinely always at odds unless the gamers themselves are also developers (or Devs are truly incompetent moron). Gacha and fighting games have the biggest disconnect as gamers believe they understand balance when they ask for specific character Nerf/buff or add of an unique mechanic. When what they are truly asking is for stuff to be cattered towards them not some great design choice but they're very dishonest about it. If snapshot was removed this same conversation would be there despite people complaining about it when its there. The removal of Xingqiu special ICD was not met with generosity by Klee mains despite how broken it was.
Kuro managed to get Calcharos parry lines fixed and some other audio bugs fixed. Only problem now his his intro skill tries to play both of his intro skill lines. Kinda jank XD. He really reliant on the heavy attack in his ult. His damage is good and he parry with his skills and his normals which is a plus. Since he dashes all over the place it’s also kinda to keep up 100% with what happening as his dashes might connect with an enemy projectile. I reckon his last unlock should’ve been increase the AoE size of his heavy attack rather than damage resist. He isn’t top tier but he fun and his VA in JP is 🔥
The moment i saw him and peoples reaction to seeing him, I knew he was gonna be wuthering waves' version of Midluc. Even worse is on the beginner banner he ended up as my first five star, just like midluc, at least I'm hoping if i lose a 50/50 it won't be him. Can't wait to replace him with an electro dps i like for yinlin, lol.
Glad i didn't build him at the beginning . I got enough experience from genshin. Did a lot for Diluc , now it's a useless character . I spend my resources on Jiyan. I didn't pull yenlin either.
He's so bad i got tricked by contact creators his gameplay and dmg is bad i used my selector on him i am now using the havoc mc and wating for geshulin (i hope he is electric)scar and camellya
There is Xiangli Yao, a gauntlet version of Calcharo but better and with the face of a Kpop dancer. Anyways Calcharo isn't bad just not the best, he requires skill to play but the amount of skill you need to put just to maximize his dmg is not worth it, you'd be trying so hard for calcharo that the amount of skill you put to playing calcharo can be better off used to other characters and deal more dmg like Jinhsi or Encore and Changli
maybe dont base your opinion on whatever content creators say then. Its an offline game and no one can really do anything about who you play so just get whoever you like
Besides all that...(leaks 👇) Xiangli Yao is coming, he is possibly FREE, and he benefits more from Yinlin 💀 It's like they give you no reason to use him anymore unless you love him ☹️ I'll still use him on lower floors Ig
ngl, Calcharo is my biggest dissapointment in wuwa. Spent so much resource on him because his position in tier list. I didn't know he has nerf, not to mention how much he is reliant on Yinlin when I am skipping for Changli. I think from now on I will wait for character synergy, and hope changli will be the last waifu pull I need. He is cool though and I like his JP VA (sepiroth, douman fgo, & naruto's dad: minato)
@@arahaitham123 Where do you think all the tierlists at 1.0 came from? From early game, which you can go with even Baizhi as a dps, and the beta, which is always subject to change. Also never rely on standard dps characters, they’ll fell off really soon, so don’t build them for meta (could do it for love, I built Lingyang because he’s just adorable)
OK so it's not just me. Something always felt off when playing him compared to any other character. He just feels... clunky and awkward and underwhelming. I'm sure it's me to some extent, but like... my Jinhsi and Encore teams are so much more effective and I swear Yinlin does more work than Calcharo when I use them together.
Honestly, he felt so clunky so I ended up dropping him. The only thing that he needs imo is a smoother gameplay experience by giving him more stacks. Reduce his ult's requirement to 3 stacks AND allow him to use the charged attack immediately after a perfect dodge. You're forced to commit to his NAs during his ult, but a single dodge basically removes almost half of his DPS from his charged attack. Make his skill grant charges on activation, not on-hit. The system changes would be good on paper, but it doesn't fix the underlying issue of his kit not matching the game. His kit actively works against him, which is really bad as the player. He only really needs these changes and he'll be a much better character. Having to commit significantly less to pulling off the charged attack would be so good to have. The main reason I dropped him was just because he felt so awkward to play after having used Rover and Danjin
o final me quebrou , realmente uma coisa tão simples que eu nem tinha pensado mas que faria toda a diferença "usar o perfect dodge para conseguir os stacks" isso já ajudaria a concertar o coitado
3:30 I really doubt they would remove a whole mechanic from the game just to make one banner sell better. If just Calcharo overperforming was their concern, all they had to do was nerf Calcharo himself. (Which they did. Aside from everything else you've said, they also nerfed his multipliers pretty much across the board when compared to cbt2.) Rather... I think that the dmg deepn buff not going away when switched out was actually a bug, and it wasn't accounted for when balancing the characters. And they likely though it would be simpler to remove it than to rebalance the whole game around it at that point in developement. Or they were afraid of adding too much mecjchanical complexity to a mobile game. This also cretes the concern of whether future character should take advanced quick-swap techiniques into account during balance. If they don't, some characters could end up overtuned, and if they do, it might hurt other aspects of their kit. Not saying this was the best move, but... I can think of a arguments other than it being exclusively about Calcharo vs Jiyan, imo.
They already nerfed him in CBT3, but then Yuanwu was the one doing absurd damage. It wasn't a Calcharo issue but an electro dps one. Anyone able to abuse the swap tech with Yinlin was doing ludicrous amount of damage. Calcharo is just a loud example (because 5*). That tech needed to be tone down of future Electro dps would need their damage gutted for the sake of balance. Yinlin becomes Bennett and make Electro unit like Pyro ones for Bennett balanced around her design.
perfect video but still majority of the people in comments think people are asking for these changes for him to be meta and thats totally wrong how can getting a stack on his dodge counter and skill make him meta thats just making his kit better and more suited for combat in this game and his number are fine tbh . Btw here are some changes i think could help his kit get better 1.Getting interruption resistance in his second unlockable talent 2.his skill does not need to be hit for him to get a stack 3.his skill and dodges can generate a stack in his ult and these are all fair and does not make him meta just makes him feel better to play
Other think you don't mention is if you have higher ping you wont gain full stack after the fifth attack so doing 3 DM per rotation becomes almost impossible
As someone who uses lightning team, my main issue with Calcharo is his 2nd E, sure it looks cool, but damn it's inefficient, most of the time, it's the damn 2nd skill that misses the mob right in front of my face
make his forte bar gain even if missed the target and interuption wont affect his combo like jinhsi incarnation mode where she can continue the combo. I think the two rework for his kit is enough
His play style is unique and satisfying at the same time. I've already put too much investment and I don't have yinlin. I'll always prioritize enjoyment over meta
There's no such thing as hot characters downfall 🗣️🔥
Exactly. He is SS tier attractive. Rule 34 will never let him die
@@_Eisley True words brother 🗣️
😂😂try to get it single pulls only 🪬📖🙈challenge 😁😈🐚🐚🗽😅😅🏋️♀️
i just accidentally poked my finger into my eyes 💀
Diluc@@Christionbridges
You can't make Calcharo the strongest because of meta
I can make Calcharo the strongest because he makes my gameplay badass and fun ... we're not the same.
A valid and reasonable explanation as to why Calcharo mains enjoy playing Calcharo
best answer ever, Calcharo best chara forever.
100% agree, I have a day 1 launch account that mains him with Yinlin as a sub and Spectro rover as another main from another side of the TOA team, even after the TOA buff ends I intend to use him and Yinlin for the Hazard zone, since Rover and Changli will be for the other side, honestly even the TOA design is perfect for old characters its amazing.
On my 2nd account, I even use Lion boy and I'm having a ton of fun so to be fair for users who play for the fun of it we are technically immune to the meta
Except none of that makes him the strongest. He’s a trash dps
Bruh Calcharo is the only one that have animation for an intro
and also weirdly not time-stopping just like other character's ultimate. You lose approx. 2.6 seconds at timer watching him doing that flashy intro animation..
@@kristiantowijaya6168that animation is fye regardless
and that animation is bugged for me. nice
@@Inv1ctumSame for me there is a white thingy shows when he uses his intro animation.
@@leadep problem in Ur phone brother
I was never really hyped for Calcharo just because of his damage, didn't get him, fav over meta always. Playing your favorite character is always the best way to play
With you on this. 😊👍
It does help if they're just a little stronger tho to upkeep with newer content 🥲
@@lilblkrose it makes the game funnier to play characters you like and if it more difficult if they aren't meta
i got calcharo just cuz he was hot, didn't know he was strong🤭🤭
I like the extra difficulty when playing my game. The satisfaction is quite different than me one shot everything. I saved stronger characters for events with timer and used character that I love (stronger or not) on overworld.
i just want to know why Calcharo hasn’t shown in the story yet
Same. I hope he shows up in later updates :c
Exactly, Was wondering why he's still haven't make an appearance yet, Hope they make him appear atleast once indeed
He did during the beta but than Kuro decided to rework the whole story for the global release. You can probably still find clips from beta.
cus we haven’t been to the new federation yet
He's from new federation
A good pairing with him is surprisingly Yaunwu, since his shield and interruption resistance will allow Calcharo to do his full combo without dying, especially since we can break the stagger bar much faster meaning free dmg. I currently run Calcharo, Yinlin, Yaunwu and they shred TOA and Holograms (that don't have electro res lol)
I think the company treated this movement as if it were a bug and only thought about fixing it
Calcharo has potential if they didnt nerf the Yinlin outro thing 😢
I think damage wise he'll get defeated with Encore&Changli duo
Calcharo already lost when the nerf was announced, jinhsi, jiyan, changli and encore already topped calcharo after they nerfed calcharo and Yinlin, but the only one really affected by Yinlin nerf is calcharo.
@@lukeaquino7141*lingyang sitting in the corner of shame* *sad pupper noises*
@@lukeaquino7141Don't forget Havoc Rover, Chixia and Danjin.
Don't you think other characters can take advantages of the outro as well?
@@su3t Not all use Liberation as main damage source
Calcharo is the reason I decided to download the game (in addition to testing the power of my new PC). It was literally the character for which I said "if I don't get it out, I'll uninstall the game and never touch it again." I started playing a few days after of 1.1, so I haven't been able to experience him with the best composition (Yinlin), nor did I get to play him before the nerf, but still the character is so unique and genuinely fun to play, that I don't want to leave him on the bench for more optimal or broken characters. What's more, I got Jinhsi next to her weapon, and the difference in damage between her and Calcharo is quite noticeable, but I still prefer to play him over Jinhsi because it's much more fun for me.
I have a slight hope that Kuro Games will take notice of the status of some characters like Calcharo and Lingyang and give them changes to their kit, or even changes to their base damage to make them more viable to play in the game's more demanding content.
Hello it seems you like calcharo like me, i main him heres a tip I found
5:12 you can dodge cancel the animation on his 2nd skill. The sequence goes like this, BA, BA2, BA3, skill1, BA, Skill2, dodge, skill3. His kit isn't that clunky since you can actually cancel his animations.
You can effortlessly charge his forte this way and with death messenger thing is that when it goes into the start of his death messenger you can swap to a different character to give him invincibility then switch back to him.
This way you can safely land his special move without being stuck in his long animation.. it will need a bit of practice tho hope this helps 👍
@@ikuzo5847 Yup. I keep on practicing with him and his cancels. I'm still not good with the swap cancel mechanic (or with him, in general), but at least I can do the E2 cancel smoothly, same with ult's B3 dodge cancel to charge DM smoothly
Having said that, I'm building a Sanhua cuz she's fast and funny to play, and I don't have another sub DPS that fits Calzone like her. I know Changli is another good partner for him, but so much swap cancel overwhelmed me. Do you have any advice for this?
@@wildcrown340 yuanwu could work well with him. I haven't built bim yet because i have already built sanhua with moonlit clouds set. Yuanwu gives interruption resistance and faster guard depletion which is really helpful for calcharo. I will upgrade him soon since I already have a moonlit set I'll swap those echos on him. And his enhanced E stays after swapping characters too making him a really good character to be placed with calcharo instead of sanhua. Imma have to compare soon
the optimal way to play Calcharo is not doing 5 basic sequences and Death messenger, his optimal damage is 3 basics, dodge 2 basics, DM and repeat, aimiing to do 3 Dearh Messengers during Resonance Liberation, meaning u have to manage between dodging and doing the first 3 basics, that fucks him up, if he gets a stack from dodge attack is a blessing cuz u get punished by doing that, and u can cancel second activation of resonance skill by dodging, the combo is, RS - 1 basic - RS2 - dodge - Basic 1 - Basic 2 - RS3, this combo takes practice to do
Yes i took consideration of that
Still does 15% less than encore in toa
Plus, his dodge is considered as resonance liberation dmg
I think they won't touch the 5 5star anymore. The only reason they exist is for the losing side of 50/50 limited chara pull mechanic
Calcharo is the Jing Yuan of WuWa. Heavily encumbered by game mechanics, needs high investment to do significant damage, and immediately falls apart if you don't run him with specific enabler characters. Turns KINGcharo into MIDcharo.
He was and is still one of my fav wuwa characters. I dont feel any of that downfall energy while playing him, i just feel enjoyment lol
As a Calcharo main I really like the character design & combat style. I got Jiyan's signature weapon for him and Yinlin to support him. I have invested a ton of resources leveling him and his skills so I'm not gonna swap just because we are getting a newer version. I'd rather allocate my resources to building Changli.
True also calcharo is cooler than Yao kiddo I just don't build any one of both so idk may I just play who stronger or the most strong one without yinlin bcuz I don't her and I don't really want her
you should consider changing his weapon, Jiyan weapon’s stat only triggered when you use heavy attack, but cal dmg mainly through basic atk and resonance liberation, instead using the weapon from battlepass call autumntrace, its kit worked really well on calcharo, and you can easily level it up to rank 5
@@huytran7487 if u have money bruh whales feel everything ez
@@BrotherAhmad. bro im just saying, jiyan wp can do the job, but you loose like 50% of its potential on calcharo, and the bp it not that “whale”, whale is like throwing hundreds even thousands dollars on gacha games, this is just battle pass, apart from weapon you can have many other things, materials, currency, even echoes etc, so it kinda worth the money, and it not that expensive anyway
@@huytran7487 Jiyans weapon is still better on Calcharo simply for the stats it provides. No 4 star weapon even at rank 5 is equal to stats provided by a 5 star weapon in this game. His best in slot right now would be Jinshis weap followed by Jiyans and the standard 5 star and only then Battlepass R5 followed by Helios Cleaver. Don't spread misinformation where money is involved.
Cleared all the content with him,he is good but not broken
I main Calcharo, I have him at S3, and I expected this. He may be a five star, but he's a standard five star. No way is he on the same level as the main DPS units from limited banners. I know that he's going to be forgotten as more 5 star characters are introduced, but I still play him because I enjoy his playstyle.
Actually the outro skill buff change only really affected Calcharo tbh. The best thing is for Calcharo to get a rework or skill balancing if we really want him to be meta. As pointed out in the video his kit just somehow goes against how WuWa's general combat is played. So a revamp of his skills should do the trick but the current outro effect is fine as it is.
it's currently affecting calcharo only
but with changli it will affect the other fusion characters , and if they keep on making buffs this way this will be a major issue , i agree with the rest tho
@@stioorg that's fine it's good that we look at some of the game's features differently, but what's important is we all agree Sephiroth at home did fall off and could really use some skill rework at the very least
He is getting a rework. Its changing his name to Xiangli Yao
@@mayukhmondal5552bruh.
I don't even want him to be meta, I just want his skills to be anti interrupting. Imagine using your liberation, and you can use your character, then not give him anti interrupt. Lol he's already weak as is ( at least not weaker than Linyang, ) and for his bread and butter to be interrupted is infuriating
saw danjin casually SOLO and full star the TOA
Chixia can do it too :P, prolly even Aolto. Echoes and skill levels matter a lot and then there's the player's skill.
'casually' is probably not the right word here, because Danjin needs a lot of skill to execute that I believe.
I think some dmg reduction and resistance to interruption while he is in his ult state would be enough
One of his talents gives him 15% dmg reduction after you perform a deaths messenger
@@dhamilton707and that is not enough when ya got one shot from hologram boss haha
@@BBSOCUTE yeah they hit hard. Just wanted to mention it because some people making comments don't know his kit or how to use him. Or think he's bad because he can't auto parry. We've known since release he has slower attack animations. Not sure why people are reacting like he just came out lol maybe they just started using him more recently
nice thumbnail!
Devs, please listen to all of these videos. Make Clacharo poggers again. thx
REAL
love your content ♥
Meta really don't matter in a single player game. Just play what you want. I'm mainly using Jinhsi rn but Calcharo is my first DPS unit and I beat Mourning Aix Holo 6 using him 🔥
Nice, this analysis seems more or less accurate from what I know. There is the detail that you don't need to do 5 of his basic attack string in his Reso Liberation form, but rather just hit 5 basic attacks. There's still the same issue in that if you do a perfect doge, it slows down your progress towards getting a full Forte Circuit and allows you to potentially miss the 3rd Death's Messenger, almost cutting his RL damage by 1/3.
The solutions are more or less correct too. I don't understand why they made the timings on Death's Messenger so tight. There are a variety of ways to fix that issue, and you mentioned them in the video. However the Quick Swap buff retention mechanic is not likely to return. I suspect the reason why it was removed was exactly because it raised the skill ceiling, while also alienating mobile players. The devs may not want mobile players to feel like they are missing out on a powerful tech that's significantly harder to do on mobile. I do believe them when they say that the tech was unintended. The Wavedash from Super Mash Bros Melee comes to mind, it was a tech that was discovered after the game's release, not something programed into the game on purpose.
Onto "fixing" Calcharo, there other other ways besides giving him Forte Circuit stacks on Perfect doge. They could for example, take a page out of Jinhsi's book. Rather than making it so he needs to hit 5 times to get a full bar, give him a locked basic attack sequence just like Jinhsi, and advance the Forte Circuit for every basic attack. Increase the duration of the Resonance Liberation so people are less pressured to throw out all the tricks in the book to race to the 3rd one, and instead make it so doing the 3rd Death's Messenger ends the RL state just like how doing Jinhsi's E ends her Incarnation state.
I think the worst feeling when playing Calcharo is when you miss the 3rd Death's Messenger because the boss repositions, or you do a Perfect Doge, time slows down, but your Resonance Liberation timer doesn't tick down any slower, so you get punished for Perfect Dodging.
There's another possibility that can help Calcharo return to the meta even if they change nothing, the release of characters that can shore up his weaknesses. For example, if we get a character that can quickly and easily give Calcharo a huge amount of shields and interruption resistance, he can unga bunga his way into 3 Death's Messengers. Alternatively more sub dps with "all ally" buffs like Verina. Verina is not like Yinlin in that since her buffs simultaneously hit every character at once, quick swapping does not remove them.
So FOR NOW the remedy for Calcharo's situation is S4 yuan yu then.
Yuan wu's kit:
Ult/Resonance Liberation gives a team wide interruption resistance (havent tested it yet but it is written in Yuan Wu's skill description)
His 4th sequence effect summary:
Using Ultimate/Resonance Liberation gives a BEEFY team wide shield which scales with Yuan Wu's defence stats.
The aspect of Calcharo's dmg is up to the players to level his skills and the right stats and (hopefully) its enough to compensate the damage without Yinlin's buff.
@najmifarhan6052 Yeah, that might be a good solution. It's up to people to test the rotation and the power of his buffs to see if he can smoothly fit into a Calcharo team comp. There could be a finding that he slows things down without meaningfully helping Calcharo, or he could be the key to helping Calcharo land consistent dps.
I also considered Taoqi, but she feels too slow when it comes to building Concerto Energy and her Outro buff doesn't help Calcharo much.
A healing set S4 Yanwu with Yinlin or Verina might not be too bad to aid Calcharo.
@@Kryto_Gaming heck yeah
@@najmifarhan6052 what about jianxin or taoqi? they give shields. wouldn't that more or less help calcharo finish his 5 normal attacks to build his stacks?
@@jonmanilenio setting the rules:
If the value of playing Calcharo is determined by the 'fun' aspect of it:
Using Calcharo is 'fun' to me, when I can do the full combo, without any interruption.
While yes Taoqi and Jianxin have shields like Yuan Wu S4, they don't have the unique interruption resistance buff only given by Yuan Wu ult in the game for now. I'm really sorry if this sounded a tad bit condescending as it is not my intention.
I don't think the quick swap mechanic will back soon and instead we will have more buffer like Verina for quick swap archetype imo.
And to fix Calcharo, Kuro can release a character that easily generate shield. Jianxin shield is currently to clunky to get properly.
These 2 solutions will sell more for Kuro too, maybe thats why
Yuanwu is crying rn
i use jianxin, and i don't really agree with you that her shield is clunky to get. it does take time though, but at least it generates aoe damage. taoqi is another shielder worth mentioning.
The only reason they removed the outro buff on quick swap is because it would make almost the entire roster quite strong and not susceptible to powercreep thus purpose of selling new limited banner characters to replace the original roster even harder. I can't think of another reason.
It doesn't help that we seem to have a free 5srar Electro DPS in 1.2 in the form of Xianglee Yao.
because they just play calcharo wrong . I watch some player that use calcharo mostly for his ulti after break boss shield with yinlin and he deal so much damage rather than switch swap like that
He is still nowhere near as strong as encore, jinshi, etc. even danjin can solo the hardest content in the game
@@Mayank_MJ cant agree more
@@Mayank_MJwhy everyone thinks everything should be op
It reminds me of diluc (also WAS the strongest DPS in 1.0 (or maybe even later), but later was eventually weaker and completely forgotten after Hu Tao came out)
At least diluc had some love with xianyun out, maybe calcharo could possibly get a new?
maybe kuro ll buff him directly (which they do to under perform chara in PGR) or make a new system to buff outdate charas like leap system in PGR
Since Kuro games i a good listener dev, please do lots of feed back so they ll think a solution for it
The main issue with Calcharo is that his attack animations are too slow and delayed between attacks making hus vulnerability during attacks and parry a pain to deal with. I always end up defaulting to ji yan or havoc rover because their attacks are faster
Regardless... I've done this mistake when i played genshin of playing only meta character and worrying too much about how big damage they are going to give and how valuable are they to my account.
With this game I'll play characters i like. Wether it be there design or gameplay. Whatever is fun to me is what I'm gonna play regardless if they are meta or not.
I play Sanhua and Calcharo duo, and holy crap it’s fun.
calcharo and yinlin were the biggest reasons i started the game
but after realizing that having low ping affects how well you can stack him up and he just wasnt fun coz i couldnt get stacks by the time his ult ended
especially when jiyan had no such issues
Great video!
But!
-Calcharo second E can be dash canceled. So his "E" does not fully lock you in the animation.
-When in ungabunga mode (ult) you can cancel the 3rd attack (when he swipes upward with his sword, like a uppercut)with a dash to repeat and get stacks faster (as performing all of his 5 basics in ult takes a lot of time, and you do have to stand still to be able to perform 3 Death messengers if you are not dash cancelling his 3rd basic).
This is honestly okay, as it puts Calcharo's skill cieling a bit higher. For easier cancelling one can also use "E" after the 3rd basic
Also the problem with Calcharo that you did not adress. Is that Calcharo & Yinlin was made for quickswapping.
Proof: Calcharo & Yinlin has the most quickswap interactions of any character.
-Calcharo ult (You can swap from him, to a different character, swap back and still have his ult running (WHICH are one of the key reasons i believe he was made to be quickswapped)!!!
-Calcharo death messenger (gives you a 2 second window to quickswap, there is no reason in a fast paced game that a character should use two seconds and get stuck in the air to perform his special move, if it is not to be quickswapped)
Proof: Encore has a similar mechanic, here also it is intended to quickswap Encore when she "self destructs" (Do not have her so no idea what it is called)
-Yinlin has so many quickswap interactions that putting her together with Calcharo made them a perfect synergized team in CBT.
-Her sit down mechanic (forte) -> Swap
-Her 3rd and 4th basic -> Swap
-Her intro into 4th basic -> Swap
-Her E -> Ult -> E -> Swap
Also the only reason Calcharo and Yinlin was extremely powerful in CBT 2 is because some people had the APM to actually play 2 characters at once, perfectly. Which like you mentioned was a extreme expression of skill and was only healthy for the game, since you did not have to play like that to clear TOA, but it was something that when done properly rewarded you with more damage and added diversity to an already good combat system. (Because if played normally you would not beat Jiyan's team, it only out-damaged Jiyan if someone mastered the quickswap syngery between Calcharo and Yinlin).
Danjin is also the best 4* character, if you have the skill to pilot her. But yes, contrary to Calcharo her kit does not punish you in any way (except for the loss of heatlh) Instead her kits rewards you with more damage and i-frames so that you can take advantage of a very aggresive playstyle with her.
Proof: Danjin's dodge counter gives the character i-frames and when you hold LMB after dodge you will go into a another i-frame. This is one of the reasons she is so good, as it allows for a aggresive high DPS playstyle at the risk of getting one shooted, but forces you to utilize her i-frames properly.
-If you utilize her "E" properly you can also put a mark on the enemy, where they take increased damage.
Calcharo's state can be compared to a version of Danjin where her dodge counter attack does not give her s, and you spin into your death.
Meanwhile like you said Calcharo's kit is very punishing even when you are playing the game properly in the current state of the game.
Proof: (Like mentioned) if Calcharo misses one "E" he can not fill his forte bar. (Normal mode, i'm not sure if you gain a stack if you use "E" in his ult mode ( I can not remember)
-If Calcharo has to dodge, he does not gain a forte stack and his dodge counter is not close to the damage of one death messenger.
And his biggest downside now: He loses outro buffs (except for Verina buff) When he swaps to a different character, which again punishes a kit that was designed around quickswapping.
If we look at Chixia
Proof: Chixia a 4* character will regen her forte by using E and not hitting the target. So if you have her dupes you can easily proc. her Forte mechanic.
-Her dodge counter also has a very high DPS multiplier so that even if you hold "E" so that you can trigger the forte boost, but in case you have to dodge to not get hit, you will not lose out on much DPS becaues of the dodge counter DPS multiplier that Chixia has.
-> Even though having two charges of her "E" is a sequence, it allows Chixia to easily spam her Forte, and even if you're "run and gun" gets interrupted, as long as you dodge you will still deal an considerable amount of DPS. Allowing you to keep up an aggresive DPS playstyle.
So calcharo's state can be compared to a Chixia with a low dodge counter dps multiplier & her "E" does not regen any forte if it is not hitting the target,
The only things Calcharo really has going for him currently:
-The character looks freaking awesome, his visuals and skills are very well designed (AESTHETICALLY)
-He has a really good parry attack (Basic attack 1)
-When you are able to pull of his current playstyle smoothly it feels amazing. (Untill the game reminds you that there are characters that can do more for way less)
-I (Personally) like how his "E" is (BUT) I do not like how his Forte stackings is.
Fixes to Calcharo
Either bring back swap mechanic
Or
-reduce the amount of hits needed to trigger a death messenger in ult from 5 to 3. This would allow players to more consistently trigger a death messenger in his ult and reach the (3 death messengers you should every ult).
-Make it so that in normal state & ult state you always get a stack whenever you use E no matter if it hits the target or not.
-Increase dodge counter DPS multiplier (so that the damage is equal to 1 death messenger) or make it so that it generates 1-2 stacks on a perfect dodge. (1 stack if only 3 basics are needed, 2 stacks if 5 basics are still needed)
Lmao
I saw this coming on day one
Everyone was treating him like sephiroth but he’s more like diluc😂
Everyone treats one 5 star like he’s the goat at launch then falls off not to long after
i mean this character got nerfed , it's not a diluc situation
@@stioorg
not yet
It was hutao that did it
Calcharos time still hasn’t come quite yet
@@Kinger_of_the_circus Idk what you mean, there's plenty main dps better than him already. The only reason ppl play Calc is his cool look and gameplay or they already spent their resources on him
You can move at the second cast of the skill the phantom deals the damage for you. You can dodge or even basic attack while the phantom slashes.
the third one is the lock
That is true. I usually don't cast it when I know I need to dodge.
5:12 you can dodge cancel the animation on his 2nd skill. The sequel goes like this, BA, BA2, BA3, skill1, BA, Skill2, dodge, skill3. His kit isn't that clunky since you can actually cancel his animations.
as i replied to multiple comments before
it's the third and not the second E
@@stioorg oh i see
Btw this is not a hoyo game so we can't not 100% think they will not change characters kit or give them a buff
In pgr every pach they give an awakening thing to old characters 4* and 5* it gave them buffs and extra skills
Like 4* lucia down when's from a usless lightning attacker to an A tier
And there where a 5* standard healer live when from a good healer to a nuker literally
We can expect after like 7 months or something an upgrade like this ig
They literally buffed havoc rover to be able to do a charged attack much quicker after their final normal attack string, it’s 100% possible more characters will get buffed and tweaked more as time goes on
@@lloydllewelyn9775 when did they buffed him?
@@_an1s_ pretty early on, it was about a week or two after launch i noticed the charged attack could be used after Rover's final hit string, though I dont recall it being specifically stated in patch notes, so chances are it was tweaked in secret.
Look how they massacred my boi 😢
I have s2 calcharo btw 😭
Same and this vids give me sadness
Same...
my poor calcharo still at level 1 💀
Kuro about to add leap mechanic
People don't know that he was nerf on release! The machanic that makes him op
Kuro just deleted it
For good reason ofc , because hes team was dealing more dmg than other limited character
That's why!
the solutions is what all character who backload all their dmg at the end of their 4+ combo, is to give a grace period for their combo/buff to not vanish after dodging and will resume if continue attacking right after the dodge.
Maybe they could make it that his Outro Skill attacks like lasts longer, or have bigger stagger damage value(especially with the Liberation version)
That and tweak his Forte Heavy attack to have his stan to launches multiple diving stabs in his place and can better autotrack targets in his place
i use him to clear floor 1 2 3 and floor 1 3 from two towers so that i can save energy on better characters to use on more difficult floors and he's great for that lmao
i do agree that nerfing the swap mechanic was a bit silly because swaps not cancelling abilities are really cool and that's one reason why i love combat of wuwa so much more than genshin and hi3rd, but to counter that i can see how they wanted to make healers more relevant and they thought that this is the way to go, verina and baizhi have buffs that dont dissapear after swapping so there's a reason to use them besides just healing
im also curious how big of a difference that nerf actually makes, what if you change rotation a bit, what if you use yinlin's skills before and just stay on calcharo for a bit longer when yinlin's skills are still on cooldown anyways, this might force you to think about what you do more than just mindlessly swapping between them and using whatever you have
They really need to fix his kits
He looks badass, his animation is amazing, his design is great but he feels terrible to play cuz of his forte and burst system is such a pain to use. They could have easily fix him by allowing us to gain Forte gauge when we dodge attack and increase his dmg reduction to 50% instead of 15% on his death messenger that way you can tank 3 hit when you have the bell active. Quickswap with him is really fun but can't do that with Yinlin buff and his intro animation, although really cool, it is a bit much sometimes.
He should have been the best standard chara but now I just don't play him cuz of how much of a pain using him in end game and that was with Yinlin, can't imagine other team comp
Everyone was calling him Virgil. Now this.
Also, as soon as jinshi came home, I discarded him from team and selected jianxin
Ffs man, I,ve just spend my last pulls for jinshi and I got calcharo...And all my friend all said he sucks...now I'm not so sure
Especially on the upcoming teased that a Electro character that is limited + free, it just hurted him more.
My biggest problem is that im afraid to use his skill during a fight like crownless because I can't dodge if i use skill and also the skill is his most important source of energy for ult and without ult calcharo is doing no dmg i think just by letting me dodge during skill or giving stks for dodging he will be good dmg wise he doesn't need more dmg
Im tired of reading the update logs and calcharo receiving unneeded nerfs. Buff him bro damn
Bro got the Diluc treatment :(
Its kinda fair from business pov that losing buff on swap is to make players want to pull for new 5 star with better stats to compensate. All they need to do is let him gain 1 stack on E (like danjin who gains even when hitting air) and dodge counter. This 2 is enough to make him less clunky while still not posing a threat to future release character.
After playing with Calcharro a lot I think he needs two things. Dodge counters should add stacks to his death messenger and his ultimate should be 1-2 seconds longer. He punishes people with higher ping a lot as you can not even get his final death messenger no matter how fast you spam his normal attack. You are forced to animation cancel his 4th or 5th attack or you will lose the final death messenger.
Here's hoping he gets some love along the way, every character deserves a chance to shine. Lingyang also still out there totally dead so maybe him first. And Aalto. And Taoqi. ;)
Gotta admit his potential peak gameplay sounds wayyy too stressful for me personally, but having the option in the game to style so hard would still be a win and super interesting to try.
I really regret picking him for the 5 stat selector 😭
They nerf him too much, but his gameplay is just too cool
Meanwhile my calcharo absolutly deleting enemies
fixes for calcharo: forte stack on skill use instead of skill hit, skill 2 being cancellable with dodge, improvements to his resonance chain and the top node of his skill tree being something damage instead of reduced damage taken. That's it, nothing weird or hard.
Calcharo is still my favorite character in the game. Probably my most fun team was Calcharo, Jiyan, Baizhi not optimal but their movesets were just fun to use. Now I have Yinlin in place of Jiyan, but I go back sometimes or go no healer with Calcharo, Yinlin, and Jiyan. I barely use Jinshi, Verina outside of the rogue like mode.
i really hope the dev's really bring back that mechanic man , cuz man thats so cool
unintentional mechanics can give birth to a whole new way of playing a game and improving on it. Take Street Fighter 2 for example, comboes were NEVER intended, but once discovered by players it became a core mechanic in not only just street fighter but the entire fighting game genre
RIP Calcharo, you have been betrayed by WutheringWaves
bro got that Placebo Effect. Because of how slow his movement is, he feels like he doesnt deal enough damage unlike other resonators
If Kuro is not ever going to bring back the quick swap mechanic they should at least fix his intro (add time stop like many suggested), lets you gain a stack for dodge counter or increase the duration of his ultimate at the least to make it less intensify on getting off 3 death messengers.
i wouldn't mind a calcharo moveset rework. my calcharo rework wishlist looks like this...
- short snappy 3 hit basic attack string
- resonance skill summoned phantom to perform attacks independently of calcharo (like a summonable echo) 3 uses.
- forte skips the heavy attack and instantly teleports you upward above an enemy to do the slam attack (replace resonance skill) (heavy attack damage)
- liberation should make him play similar to danjin. 3 attack sequence. different skill depending on which attack you use it after. big dumb heavy attack forte.
tbh i just want calcharo to be as fun as danjin.
I've just gotta say, I have almost no doubt that they removed that quick swap effect, cause it was a bug that players were abusing. Regardless of weather or not they wanted Jiyan to sell better. Because very clearly the switch mechanic of this game is based on who your active characters is, and the players realized that Calcharo's animation was being counted as him still being on field, and treated as the active character, even though you had switched.
He is still fun to play with. Already cleared all the content with him. I hope that when his story is released, he gets his own banner and sig.
I don't think that is not gonna happen, even far more in future because he is in standard banner. I just hope when his story released Dev will buff him
Just get a good build, and you don't need a team for him
Now I'm getting Calcharo downfall videos instead of Mr Beast downfall videos on my for you, finally something new
His dodge attacks need to give him stacks in his ult and out of ult; they do that and he is fixed.
It's gonna be a long read, but it's important I believe.
02:54 I think this mechanic SHOULDN'T come back because it leads to a lot of potential hidden balance issues. And this also gives more pressure for the combat dev team to balance out chars and ensure they aren't too broken due to interactions like that. The current system is good because it's a trade-off between low energy generation with danger of staying on field, but getting a very powerful Amplified DMG multiplier, vs losing that DMG buff, but getting more safety due to swaps, and also have higher energy generation, since you can swap, and generate energy with a different character. There should ALWAYS be a cost to something, and the cost to more swap gameplay is the loss of an amplified buff.
Now I know, this mechanic allowed for a lot of skill expression, but understand that these kinds of interactions are also SUPER hard to balance around, since the devs are human beings as well, it's better to avoid potential future abnormal power scalings due to interactions like this.
Also I just think Calcharo mains are mad because their edgelord ain't stronger than a limited DPS. I don't see content about Lingyang being in a bad postition, but somehow people have to glaze Calcharo a lot ,maybe because Sephiroth. I'd like to see more Lingyang content and how he's done really bad, because he's super fun to play. The bias is too clear.
About CN being mad about this, let's be real, no one should give a shi about them because apparently they have some hidden agenda on destroying Kuro's reputation. Couldn't care about it. CN can cry more about it, because they can't think from a balance and development PoV, because if that mechanic was kept, any unit with longer animations are now instantly busted because even the dumbest of players can then exploit the mechanic. But if you have to assume that and hence reduce the character's base DMG, now people who don't have the teams to pull off this interaction will be mad and will complain. I hope you see the complication now behind keeping such a system in game.
This.
The swap mechanic is equivalent to the snapshotting mechanic of Genshin.
Both were design mistake but whiles Genshin didn't realize it sooner and kept it. WuWa did.
The only thing Genshin could do was removing snapshot for future unit or make it useless.
Snapshot made Xiangling destroy Diluc and no matter what you think a free 4* was most likely not designed to outdps a standard 5*.
On top of that swap mechanic like you said only had benefit to the point of overshadowing any other mechanic.
A mechanic should have downside but it didn't. Any character with inherent long animation was better than ones with short ones.
It also defeated the purpose of wide healer who but everyone (Verina, Baizhi) as you can switch between direct buff (Yinlin, Jianxin) however you want as direct buff inherently buff more but are only active character specific for balance.
Direct buff being able to be swap makes Calcharo team and future team prefer this structure and in a game that tries to make healer good, this is not good.
@@dendenmushi9714 Yup. Glad there are more people who understand the imbalance that the mechanic can bring. I'd really love to give the devs more relaxation instead of breaking their head over every single way this mechanic can break the game. It's inhuman to balance around. No XL 2.0, please no, thanks.
@@d_roy_ Its because Gamers =/= Devs.
This 2 sides are genuinely always at odds unless the gamers themselves are also developers (or Devs are truly incompetent moron).
Gacha and fighting games have the biggest disconnect as gamers believe they understand balance when they ask for specific character Nerf/buff or add of an unique mechanic.
When what they are truly asking is for stuff to be cattered towards them not some great design choice but they're very dishonest about it.
If snapshot was removed this same conversation would be there despite people complaining about it when its there.
The removal of Xingqiu special ICD was not met with generosity by Klee mains despite how broken it was.
Kuro managed to get Calcharos parry lines fixed and some other audio bugs fixed. Only problem now his his intro skill tries to play both of his intro skill lines. Kinda jank XD.
He really reliant on the heavy attack in his ult. His damage is good and he parry with his skills and his normals which is a plus. Since he dashes all over the place it’s also kinda to keep up 100% with what happening as his dashes might connect with an enemy projectile.
I reckon his last unlock should’ve been increase the AoE size of his heavy attack rather than damage resist.
He isn’t top tier but he fun and his VA in JP is 🔥
The moment i saw him and peoples reaction to seeing him, I knew he was gonna be wuthering waves' version of Midluc. Even worse is on the beginner banner he ended up as my first five star, just like midluc, at least I'm hoping if i lose a 50/50 it won't be him. Can't wait to replace him with an electro dps i like for yinlin, lol.
Glad i didn't build him at the beginning . I got enough experience from genshin. Did a lot for Diluc , now it's a useless character . I spend my resources on Jiyan. I didn't pull yenlin either.
Im only playing WuWa because of this guy.
He's so bad i got tricked by contact creators his gameplay and dmg is bad i used my selector on him i am now using the havoc mc and wating for geshulin (i hope he is electric)scar and camellya
@@mistro504 he is not that Bad
There is Xiangli Yao, a gauntlet version of Calcharo but better and with the face of a Kpop dancer. Anyways Calcharo isn't bad just not the best, he requires skill to play but the amount of skill you need to put just to maximize his dmg is not worth it, you'd be trying so hard for calcharo that the amount of skill you put to playing calcharo can be better off used to other characters and deal more dmg like Jinhsi or Encore and Changli
@@MohamedhediAyari-bk5pb he is so cool but i really can't play him
@@lukeaquino7141 he's so cool but when i play him i feel like the freedom of combo of my own goes away
maybe dont base your opinion on whatever content creators say then. Its an offline game and no one can really do anything about who you play so just get whoever you like
Good thing is that you can put his echoes on Xiangli Yao. Pretty sure he's meant to be a main dps or sub-dps.
Everybody gangsta till he say
"I will never be a memory"
The anime melodies were a nice touch , especialy the evangelion one
I begrudgingly built my Calcharo the past couple of days to get more ToA stars..
Besides all that...(leaks 👇)
Xiangli Yao is coming, he is possibly FREE, and he benefits more from Yinlin 💀
It's like they give you no reason to use him anymore unless you love him ☹️ I'll still use him on lower floors Ig
ngl, Calcharo is my biggest dissapointment in wuwa. Spent so much resource on him because his position in tier list. I didn't know he has nerf, not to mention how much he is reliant on Yinlin when I am skipping for Changli. I think from now on I will wait for character synergy, and hope changli will be the last waifu pull I need.
He is cool though and I like his JP VA (sepiroth, douman fgo, & naruto's dad: minato)
Never put faith in tierlist, specially the ones from betas
@@Jade.051 I never knew they make tier list from beta 😅 should just went with Havoc MC & Danjin instead.
@@arahaitham123 Where do you think all the tierlists at 1.0 came from? From early game, which you can go with even Baizhi as a dps, and the beta, which is always subject to change. Also never rely on standard dps characters, they’ll fell off really soon, so don’t build them for meta (could do it for love, I built Lingyang because he’s just adorable)
OK so it's not just me. Something always felt off when playing him compared to any other character. He just feels... clunky and awkward and underwhelming. I'm sure it's me to some extent, but like... my Jinhsi and Encore teams are so much more effective and I swear Yinlin does more work than Calcharo when I use them together.
Honestly, he felt so clunky so I ended up dropping him.
The only thing that he needs imo is a smoother gameplay experience by giving him more stacks. Reduce his ult's requirement to 3 stacks AND allow him to use the charged attack immediately after a perfect dodge. You're forced to commit to his NAs during his ult, but a single dodge basically removes almost half of his DPS from his charged attack.
Make his skill grant charges on activation, not on-hit. The system changes would be good on paper, but it doesn't fix the underlying issue of his kit not matching the game. His kit actively works against him, which is really bad as the player.
He only really needs these changes and he'll be a much better character. Having to commit significantly less to pulling off the charged attack would be so good to have. The main reason I dropped him was just because he felt so awkward to play after having used Rover and Danjin
o final me quebrou , realmente uma coisa tão simples que eu nem tinha pensado mas que faria toda a diferença "usar o perfect dodge para conseguir os stacks" isso já ajudaria a concertar o coitado
3:30 I really doubt they would remove a whole mechanic from the game just to make one banner sell better. If just Calcharo overperforming was their concern, all they had to do was nerf Calcharo himself. (Which they did. Aside from everything else you've said, they also nerfed his multipliers pretty much across the board when compared to cbt2.)
Rather... I think that the dmg deepn buff not going away when switched out was actually a bug, and it wasn't accounted for when balancing the characters. And they likely though it would be simpler to remove it than to rebalance the whole game around it at that point in developement. Or they were afraid of adding too much mecjchanical complexity to a mobile game.
This also cretes the concern of whether future character should take advanced quick-swap techiniques into account during balance. If they don't, some characters could end up overtuned, and if they do, it might hurt other aspects of their kit.
Not saying this was the best move, but... I can think of a arguments other than it being exclusively about Calcharo vs Jiyan, imo.
They already nerfed him in CBT3, but then Yuanwu was the one doing absurd damage.
It wasn't a Calcharo issue but an electro dps one.
Anyone able to abuse the swap tech with Yinlin was doing ludicrous amount of damage.
Calcharo is just a loud example (because 5*).
That tech needed to be tone down of future Electro dps would need their damage gutted for the sake of balance.
Yinlin becomes Bennett and make Electro unit like Pyro ones for Bennett balanced around her design.
Ay my Reddit post gets a cameo again!
How can they say that abt my babygirl!?
I lose every single fifty fifty in the game
I have all stander banner charecter , but I get C3 of Calcharo
I just remembered I've calcharo n first builded character but after jhinsi i forgot him n now I've taken him to lvl80 again he's back 😈
perfect video but still majority of the people in comments think people are asking for these changes for him to be meta and thats totally wrong how can getting a stack on his dodge counter and skill make him meta thats just making his kit better and more suited for combat in this game and his number are fine tbh . Btw here are some changes i think could help his kit get better
1.Getting interruption resistance in his second unlockable talent
2.his skill does not need to be hit for him to get a stack
3.his skill and dodges can generate a stack in his ult
and these are all fair and does not make him meta just makes him feel better to play
And now calcharo is part of the team with the fastest s0r1 ToA heron clear time
Peak design, nerfed to the ground sadly. Hopefully he will get a new form or something that we can pull in the future
"RUN........CLOUD.....RUNN..." Is more than enough reason to have him
It's the nerf i have him set up, and getting a higher level didn't help clear the already cleared with him. Yinlin is strong now.
Other think you don't mention is if you have higher ping you wont gain full stack after the fifth attack so doing 3 DM per rotation becomes almost impossible
You CAN cancel Calcharo's first and 2nd E uses.
My ass rocking the f2p calcharo team (calcharo, sanhua and verina) and not even knowing about this while having a blast
As someone who uses lightning team, my main issue with Calcharo is his 2nd E, sure it looks cool, but damn it's inefficient, most of the time, it's the damn 2nd skill that misses the mob right in front of my face
make his forte bar gain even if missed the target and interuption wont affect his combo like jinhsi incarnation mode where she can continue the combo. I think the two rework for his kit is enough