Music Chat: Haydn's Most Extraordinary String Quartet

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  • Опубліковано 15 гру 2024

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  • @waltermayr339
    @waltermayr339 Рік тому +5

    Thanks to the algorithm for this suggestion. How nice to hear someone talk about Haydn's string quartets with the same enthusiasm that I feel for them.

  • @TheScottishoats
    @TheScottishoats 3 роки тому +16

    Haydn String Quartet in C Major, Op. 54 - "The Hurwitz"

  • @Barbirollifan
    @Barbirollifan 4 роки тому +25

    These are my favorite of your talks. Purely pouring out your love of music while helping us with HOW to listen to music and WHAT to listen for, an education even for those of us out here with music degrees. It is good to be reminded that the music is what matters and what brings us all together here!

  • @swazifiction
    @swazifiction 8 місяців тому +2

    I loved this! Your enthusiasm, passion and sheer joy for the music shimmer and give warmth to us all. Even the unnamed quartets are gems!

  • @JohanHerrenberg
    @JohanHerrenberg 4 роки тому +8

    You must be Haydn's most persuasive advocate. Many thanks for this!

  • @aarong5716
    @aarong5716 2 роки тому +6

    Op. 54/2 really is extraordinary! This is a very typical example of Haydn's "embarrassment of riches" issue. Despite being an obsessive Haydn fan, I had either never heard this quartet before or never properly listened to it.

  • @edwardgrabowski6505
    @edwardgrabowski6505 Рік тому +4

    C Major, the ordinary everyday key? Haydn begins the Creation with Chaos, brought to us in C Minor. From Chaos he comes to one of the greatest C Major cords in all of classical music which brings forth the creation of the Universe! In effect, it is Haydn, and not the astrophysics community, who brought the idea of the Big Bang to us, and it was in, of all keys, C Major!

  • @wapolo1974
    @wapolo1974 4 роки тому +6

    That slow movement is absolutely remarkable! Thank you for bringing this wonderful quartet to our attention. Haydn is a composer that I’m starting to appreciate more and more as I get to know his music better.

  • @edwinbaumgartner5045
    @edwinbaumgartner5045 4 роки тому +4

    Now you enriched my musical cosmos: I‘m not so deep in chamber music and didn‘t know this work. I nearly cannot breath having heard this. That‘s a marvel! This will be my companion for a very long time!

  • @johnwright7749
    @johnwright7749 4 роки тому +3

    What a joy, indeed! I didn’t know this marvelous work at all. Thanks for introducing it to me!

  • @oldionus
    @oldionus 4 місяці тому +1

    Always loved Mozart's "Haydn" quartets (and others), but it's taken me a while to warm up to Haydn's own quartets. This is very helpful in pointing out what to listen for.

  • @secondbanana2
    @secondbanana2 4 роки тому +3

    David, It is again a pleasure to witness your enthusiasm and insight - and to discover how great this quartet really is. I have had my seven assorted Kodaly/Haydn CDs since the mid-1990's (thanks to Fanfare and ARG) so it really is overdue!

  • @Sulsfort
    @Sulsfort 4 роки тому +3

    Such a heartwarming & funny introduction! Accidentally Kodaly is the recording I have of op 54 / 55. So I knew and liked this quartet before. But with your introduction I could listen even closer to it.

  • @capuano3d
    @capuano3d 3 роки тому +4

    When you talk about "Haydn's use of C major key as an exploratory, bold key", his major cello concerto comes to my mind

  • @joncheskin
    @joncheskin 2 роки тому +1

    Did not know this quartet, more familiar with Op 20 and Op 76, thanks so much for spotlighting it, I immediately listened to the piece with score after watching your video. This piece is just nuts--I have generally thought of Haydn as very inventive and imaginative, but this quartet is above and beyond, complete mad scientist music. The finale seems to me similar to the slow movement of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, with a fast segment interrupting the slow music as a contrasting middle section. I think what is really going on is that the rhapsodic violin from the 2nd mvt is the dominant idea of the quartet as a whole, in effect takes over the finale in spite of a Presto peeking through. This makes it one of the most haunting pieces I have ever heard in C major for sure.

  • @Bozpot
    @Bozpot 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this fascinating analysis. This quartet is one of my favourites, and the unexpected harmonic direction of the first movement is so perfectly 'Haydn'. I'd forgotten that Opp. 54 & 55 were part of the same set. 55/1 was the first Haydn quartet I ever heard (played by the Aeolian) and also happens to be one of my favourites - especially the slow movement.

  • @marqde1
    @marqde1 7 місяців тому +1

    Mom had an LP of the Allegri playing op55. Later when the Tokyo Quartet released Prussian 1 & 2, I got that record after hearing one of them at Miami University artist series Nov 7, 1981 Was looking for this in LP's by Tokyo S Q but I remember it from a boxed set of Amadeus Quartet op 54. CDs Mom also had the op 64 Tost quartets.

  • @MegaVicar
    @MegaVicar 4 роки тому +1

    Wow! The opening Vivace reminds me of the opening of Brahms’ Serenade no. 1, and in that trio I hear Bartók. That rockets to the top of my ‘buy’ list. Thanks for sharing this!

  • @JLHMachancoses
    @JLHMachancoses Рік тому +1

    Thank you, thank you very much.

  • @quinto34
    @quinto34 4 роки тому +1

    I've dusted off my Haydn Kodaly set, you've made my sunday, thanks again!

  • @willhk4809
    @willhk4809 4 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this vid David! You made me go a listen to the quartet, excellently played the Lindsays (as always in Haydn IMO) and you're absolutely right. What an extraordinary work! I'm a great lover of Haydn's quartets but I'd never given the Tosts a proper listen before, and wow...what a genius.

  • @elizabethj8510
    @elizabethj8510 3 роки тому

    On Sunday mornings, I go through your playlists. Came upon this installment and hoo-boy, the quartet blew my mind. Wound up ordering two versions, Kodaly and Auryn, and the Takacs recording of Op. 76. Besides your Janacek recommendations (Serebrier, Panocha Quartet), I have my work cut out for me. Thank you, Dave.

  • @angreagach
    @angreagach 11 місяців тому +3

    How about calling it the "Unnicknamed"?

  • @antoineduchamp4931
    @antoineduchamp4931 2 роки тому +1

    David I have known this quartet since my youth, but not known it at all - not until you came along with this outstanding analysis. My eyes were opened, and I feel such an idiot for not appreciating as much as I should have. My thanks is to you.... but, there is more.
    The quartet's new name will not be the Monarch: it is to be called Haydn Opus 55 no. 2 in C major "the Hurwitz" in honour of its greatest fan.

  • @carlconnor5173
    @carlconnor5173 2 роки тому +1

    David, I woke up to a wonderful piece of music this morning. I wondered, “Who is this?” I’d never heard it before. I found out later it was Haydn’s Cello Concerto #1. Talk about “amazing”! It’s beautiful, exquisite, and even a little wild in places. And it’s humorous too.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +2

      Yep!

    • @twigfarm4229
      @twigfarm4229 2 роки тому +1

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Hey Dave! Could you recommend any recordings of his cello concertos? There doesn't seem to be many to choose from. Thank you in advance.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +1

      @@twigfarm4229 Check out the reviews on ClassicsToday.com! That's what it's for.

    • @twigfarm4229
      @twigfarm4229 7 місяців тому +1

      @@saltech3444 Thank you for the recommendation! I actually did pick up the Rostropovich / Academy of St Martins in the Fields release & find it to be quite good. If I feel the need for another release I'll check out your recommendation. Thanks again. Dave

  • @he9007
    @he9007 4 роки тому

    A incredibly interesting video. Thank you very much, David!

  • @elagabalus-imperator
    @elagabalus-imperator 4 роки тому +1

    I must have Op. 54 somewhere, most-likely several recordings. This is a beautiful piece. Makes me appreciate quartet-works more than I have. Thanks for encouraging me to listen to more than symphonic / concerto works only.

  • @bernardohanlon3498
    @bernardohanlon3498 4 роки тому +2

    Dave greetings from the Penal Colonies. Bravo! I too love SQ 54 / 2 and I fully understand why you so nominated it - even if the proximity of the Razor Quartet from Opus 55 is a nearby challenger. My vote goes to the Bird Quartet (Op 33 / 3) or the Canticle of the Sun - the great B Minor Adagio of Opus 64 / 2. Best wishes, B

  • @bullcutgaming7749
    @bullcutgaming7749 3 роки тому +2

    I totally loved this quartet the whole time, felt like I was on my own until this

  • @markmiller3713
    @markmiller3713 4 роки тому

    Thanks, David for this beautiful review. I took your advice and went to my library and pulled out my box set of the Haydn Quartets performed by the Angeles SQ. If it wasn't late at night and I didn't already brush my teeth, I'd have a glass of wine with it. Of course that doesn't mean that I can't listen to it again tomorrow with the wine!

    • @frankgyure3154
      @frankgyure3154 4 роки тому

      I also own the Angeles SQ and it is a joy(also thanks to Haydn). The sound is warm and the playing seem to be quite fine.

  • @stefanoruggeri100
    @stefanoruggeri100 3 роки тому

    Thanks, i didn't know of this string quartet and the second movement is really moving.

  • @georgejohnson1498
    @georgejohnson1498 4 роки тому +3

    Dear David,
    Before I watched, thought I'd better listen to the one recording I have of this [not likely your reco! Pro Arte Quartet for HMV in the 1930s] and then watched you most inspiring lecture.
    One thing this has done is found me a good modern Haydn Quartet cycle - at least potentially. I love the Quartets, but do not not know them all or even half of them.
    Naxos is a superb organisation, and bless them for allowing you to sample their production. Though it is no doubt advertising, so be it. Advertising something of real significance and importance is a good thing.
    Many, many thanks from a Haydn enthusiast. Also Bach enthusiast, which we may not quite share as top billing among our favourite music. George

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому +3

      Well thank you for listening! Nothing makes me happier than to learn that one of these videos got a person listening to the music, whether again or for the first time. So I appreciate your letting me know.

  • @carlconnor5173
    @carlconnor5173 3 роки тому

    That Adagio is so moving! Remarkable.

  • @saltyfellow
    @saltyfellow 3 роки тому

    Great great chat! Extra! So informative! Could you give a talk about shubert quartets??! There is also a complete naxos by the same quartet so you could give us some listening while explaining the works!! Greetings from Europe!!

  • @jensguldalrasmussen6446
    @jensguldalrasmussen6446 4 роки тому +2

    An exceedingly excellent excursion into extraordinariness extraordinaire! BIS!

  • @AlexMadorsky
    @AlexMadorsky 4 роки тому +2

    I vote for the Lemur Quartet over the Cockroach Quartet. Lemurs give me visions of adorable ringed tails and Madagascar vanilla. Speaking of vanilla, that’s not how people should think of the key of C Major. C Major is an elegant, simple canvass a talented artist can paint any way they like. I do not know Haydn’s string quartets well at all, so I’ll start by giving the Lemur a listen.

  • @cappycapuzi1716
    @cappycapuzi1716 2 роки тому +1

    I've never heard anything like this slow movement!

  • @websterdds
    @websterdds 2 роки тому +1

    I particularly like the moniker, 'The Razor'.

  • @UlfilasNZ
    @UlfilasNZ 3 роки тому +1

    The Kodálys really are superb in this music.

  • @elliotdavies3555
    @elliotdavies3555 4 роки тому

    Have any of you heard the op.20 no. 4 in D major? Waaay ahead of it's time and absolutely sublime! May I recommend the Chiaroscuro Quartet on BIS. Incredible playing and "sonics!!"

    • @bartolo498
      @bartolo498 4 роки тому

      That's my favorite from op.20 although #2 is not far behind and op.20 #2 might be my favorite C major quartet by Haydn and I'd also put op.33#3 ahead of op.54#2 as extraordinary as the latter undoubtedly is. My overall favorite is probably still op.76#5 but there are so many great ones and many without nicknames.

    • @elliotdavies3555
      @elliotdavies3555 4 роки тому

      @@bartolo498 I've got a soft spot for the op. 33 too. Which recordings do you enjoy of those you mentioned? :)

    • @bartolo498
      @bartolo498 4 роки тому

      @@elliotdavies3555 op.20 overall maybe Hagen Qt. DG, op.33#3 Smetana or Jerusalem Qt. (not completely happy with any of the 6 or so op.33 complete ones I have heard) and op.76#5 maybe Jerusalem again although there are other good ones in complete op.76 recordings

  • @davidrowe3356
    @davidrowe3356 4 роки тому

    Thanks Dave. Planning on listening to this tomorrow afternoon after the Jets lose another. I will nickname this one “The Consolation.”
    At some point would love to hear you talk about the flute trios. I hated the flute until I heard what Haydn could do with it.

  • @Zezahn
    @Zezahn 4 роки тому

    What a great, original and compact work. Extraordinary indeed. Not my personal favorite (op.20/4 maybe is) but extraordinary.

  • @DiegoGonzalez-nv9qv
    @DiegoGonzalez-nv9qv 4 роки тому

    Such music- indeed all of the Haydn quartets- is balm in the time of the virus.

  • @DavidJohnson-of3vh
    @DavidJohnson-of3vh 4 роки тому

    I shall be checking this one out.

  • @barryguerrero7652
    @barryguerrero7652 4 роки тому

    I'm hoping that after all this Covid stuff winds down and, hopefully, we slide into a slightly more 'enlightened' era, that travelling string quartets will become popular again. I'd love to see this one played live someplace.

  • @berndbo3360
    @berndbo3360 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks that you remembering the wonderful 54, especially the 2. I have and like the KODALY, but after i bought the box of "The ANGELES String Quartett" i prefer there version, for the "sound". For me the Kodaly in relation with the Angeles is a little "dry" and for me the Angeles sound is more "juicy"

    • @salocindejuan9648
      @salocindejuan9648 4 роки тому +2

      The intonation of The Angeles is perfect and the first violin is a Guadagnini! A gorgeous sound. A pity that they disbanded after burning-out after the 5-year Haydn-project.

  • @eugenebraig413
    @eugenebraig413 4 роки тому

    Peripheral, riffing on key signature: Another fantastic exploiter of C major (and A minor)-albeit on a smaller scale-was romantic guitarist and squeeze boxer Giulio Regondi (1822-1872) via his 10 concert etudes for guitar. Both those in C and A minor make interesting use of dissonance and modulate pretty freely, especially the A minor that wanders off from the key signature through A-flat, B, D, C-sharp, A, and F before returning to A minor. In many ways, Regondi's rhythmic devices remind me of Schubert.

  • @fred6904
    @fred6904 4 роки тому

    Dear Mr Hurwitz!
    I would like to ask you to talk about Haydn's symphony nr 64.( whith a lot of pauses) and Schubert's piano sonata D 840 in C major.
    ( whith fabulous harmonic shifts)
    Best wishes.

  • @1nelsondj
    @1nelsondj 4 роки тому

    I got interested in string quartets because of Robert Fripp of King Crimson. He wrote about finding inspiration in the quartets by Bela Bartok so I checked those out, amazing stuff. They aren't soothing or happy like those of older composers, they have an edge to them.

  • @-yeme-
    @-yeme- Рік тому +1

    Ha! I never knew that "Tost" was the name of a performer. It means "toast" in German, and I assumed that the work did have a nickname, that it was known as "The Toast."
    And who doesn't like a slice of toast? ;)

  • @olegroslak852
    @olegroslak852 4 роки тому

    Ok, now you HAVE to do the ideal set of Haydn String Quartets. I'd actually appeal to have you move this to the top of the order. For one, it's hard for people to find the great versions of this or that one because they're so rarely in one place (there are 68+ of them, after all). Also, even the crazies that hang out around here may not know all the great performances since they can pop up almost anywhere, and you blink and they're gone. This would be an enormous public service, as well as rewarding for you burgeoning fan base.
    You don't have to do a different ensemble for each quartet, but you MUST do this one!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому +2

      Actually, I can do it rather easily with a different ensemble for each one, so stay tuned!

    • @Don-md6wn
      @Don-md6wn 4 роки тому

      @@DavesClassicalGuide I've seen some of your favorable reviews of the Auryn Quartet recordings of Haydn and your view that they've done the best Haydn quartet cycle. Do you think there's any hope their label will put them in a reasonably priced box set at some point? I think that could be added to the "Box Sets We'd Like to See" list.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому

      @@Don-md6wn No, I don't, although Tacet should. But I think the financial reality today makes it nearly impossible.

    • @alexandracomus755
      @alexandracomus755 3 роки тому

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Could you please do op.20 no. 5 (Quarter in F minor)? The Curtis Quartet has the best recording in my opinion.

  • @amyzoltick5998
    @amyzoltick5998 3 роки тому

    I have a number of Haydn Quartets but not with either the Auryn or Kodaly quartets. How would you rate the Kodaly in relation to other recommendations you have made. I am building up my Haydn quartet collection. As always you are fantastic with great passion!!!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  3 роки тому

      I made a video on the ideal Haydn quartets that may offer you some guidance. Kodaly is quite good, on the whole, but there are better versions in most if not all of the opus numbered sets.

  • @polenc7167
    @polenc7167 4 роки тому

    Iagree Haydn is the most inventive composer of alll time. When Haydn began a piece he constructed a series of 10 to 12 pitches but without any indiction of rhythm. Who else did this?

  • @tomross5347
    @tomross5347 3 роки тому

    If Bernard Herrman had quoted the "wailing" phrase from the trio movement of this quartet in his own music for the "Psycho" soundtrack, it would have fit in perfectly!

  • @tonyshih1052
    @tonyshih1052 4 роки тому

    Thanks for another great review! I’ve heard the Finale on the radio about 30 years while driving and bought the same cd from Tower Record the next day. This is still my favorite Haydn quartet to this day. The version I bought is by Smithson Quartet. Do you have a recommended performance?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому +1

      There really are many good ones, but see the other comments or check out reviews on ClassicsToday.com.

    • @tonyshih1052
      @tonyshih1052 4 роки тому

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Thanks, will do. I just wish Quatuor Mosaiques would get a chance to record them but I guess it'll never happen!

  • @barrygray8903
    @barrygray8903 4 роки тому

    I'm normally not a chamber music guy, but this is truly beautiful and, as you say, extraordinary. Thanks to your enlightening talk I will be listening to the entire work very soon. What other recordings of this work can you recommend in addition to the Kodaly Quartet?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому +1

      My fave was the Endellion Qt on Virgin, but Auryn is very good, and there are a few others as well.

    • @Don-md6wn
      @Don-md6wn 4 роки тому +1

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Glad to hear that! I have the Endellion double CD of Op 54 and 74 and listened to the Op 54 #2 today after watching this video.

  • @selcano0575
    @selcano0575 3 роки тому +1

    The 2nd movement of Beethoven's Quartet No. 2 (18th century) is like that slow-fast-slow. But Haydn's is more successful and more beautiful.

  • @DavidMarteinson
    @DavidMarteinson 4 роки тому

    Why the giant tam?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  4 роки тому +2

      Where?

    • @DavidMarteinson
      @DavidMarteinson 4 роки тому

      Err is that not a tam tam? I use mine to let my wife know meals are ready but it's a lot smaller...

  • @jimyoung9262
    @jimyoung9262 4 роки тому +8

    Pssh...self evident title for this quartet:
    "The Extraordinary"

  • @steve.schatz
    @steve.schatz 3 роки тому

    How about we name this the "Ho-ho-ho" string quartet?

  • @BrainiacFingers
    @BrainiacFingers 4 роки тому +1

    Haydn's most extraordinary string quartet? Oh, you mean The Hungarian. 😛