i’ll never forget the video of Lauren literally sobbing to Ally about how they were treated like literal slaves and got NOTHING from it… it’s truly heartbreaking.. these girls deserved so much better.
The worst part of this video is that Ally sounds like she doesn't really even understand anything about it herself, which shows to me that a lot of artists are completely in the dark about what they actually agreed to. Reading every single word of your contract before signing it is so, so important
Forget reading your contract, how about just opening your mouth and asking questions? The contract you sign when you first join a label isn't going to tell you everything there is to know. Especially when you signed it x amount of years ago.
the fact they signed contracts BEFORE they even auditioned is INSANE.. you’re auditioning not thinking you’re going to win. and also just happy to be offered a contract and because you are naive about the industry you just sign it because you think you have to … that is CRIMINAL.
@@jadebel7006 and why are you defending the industry? These girls have like 8 songs wrote and recorded, then more than 40 masters in the market with lots of streams till this day (and Ally didn't mention the royalties from music videos' views or the image contract with brands, etc.) but they do not receive the amount that corresponds to them as composers/artists. This is a common situation for many people, who are deceived in exchange for "success"
@@jadebel7006 people forget that people who work in Hollywood have a whole team behind them that they have to pay. Agents, managers, lawyers, publicists, stylists, etc all make percentage off what an artists makes (or they pay these people a flat monthly fee). It costs a lot to be a celebrity lol. If each member is getting 5K a month, they probab get half of that after taxes and such. Considering that they had multiple #1 hits and were touring all over the world, I would think anyone would want to be compensated more than 5k a month.
The problem with that is only real songwriters can be independent. A lot of people just have good singing voices but no real artistic abilities so they have to find a label.
@@movsess Do you know how successful Tom MacDonald, Chance the Rapper, Frank Ocean, Childish Gambino, and Macklemore are? Success doesn't come from being signed to a label.
@@thomaslee7105 you just proved my point by naming the exact two and a half artists that are always brought up in these conversations every time. These artists are the exception, not the rule. Not to mention that chance, frank and donald all had acceleratation bumps from their already famous buddies. The dynamics between labels and artists are changing because of tiktok but that was not the case during 5h rise
I mean, whoever followed 5H back in the days knows, how fucked up their deal was. Girls barely got any writing credits/opportunities (Dinah and Lauren are only credited on one or two songs on 7/27, and on self-titled all 4 girls don't even have main writing credits, despite being main writers for the album), but all 5 of them were worked to the bone. Looking at it now, I'm not surprised Camila left when she did. And the rest of the girls followed suit when they realized the group is not going to fulfill their needs anymore.
Blackpink did a smart move, they stick together even with solos, supporting each other, and they waited until when their 7yrs contract ended, then now they can do whatever they really wanna do as a solo artist with an already solid fan base, because they supported each other and stick together even having solos while being in a group.
*Mariah Carey way before y’all, she makes sure that on her first contract that she wrote all of her songs, and now after years, she’s comfortable living all of her publishing royalties. keep notes*
Some people have vocal talent but not songwriting talent, or vice versa. There are actually lots of people in the music industry who do the one thing or the other, but not both. Songwriters who are not recording artists obviously get publishing rights. What about talented young singers who don't have the gift of songwriting? What notes should they take?
@@jiminhart I mean underage Mariah fought for her contract as an artist even tho she’s songwriter or not, she fought for her rights and that’s a smart boss move for her and she’s negotiating with these powerful men in the industry mind you.
@@marquethagod1769She wasn’t married to Mottola or even dating him when she was signed in 1988-89. Know what you’re talking about before you open your mouth with misinformation.
People forget that people who work in Hollywood have a whole team behind them that they have to pay. Agents, managers, lawyers, publicists, stylists, etc all make a percentage off what an artists makes (or they pay these people a flat monthly fee). Why do u think these actors r striking? It's because there's no money in streaming, and artists are not getting their fair share in royalties/residuals. If each member is getting 5K a month, they probably get half of that after taxes and such. Considering that they had multiple #1 hits and were touring all over the world, I would think anyone would want to be compensated more than 5k a month= $60,000/year. And these girls were superstars! Musicians, start unionizing now!
You’re making it seem like they were a group of five Taylor Swifts lol they were never that big. They didn’t have any #1s and they toured small theatres not arenas. So that 60k they earn annually actually makes sense to the caliber they actually were
Musicians seriously need to unionize. They don't make anything off streaming anymore, just like the actors & writers for film and TV. And they need to be fairly compensated for their work on music videos, touring, and royalties.
There's no union for musicians. The whole point of a strike to have a middle man between the big boss and the guy which would ideally be a union representative. So I think that would be a good first step to take
@@jadebel7006why did you leave a comment and then leave this same one multiple times? 💀 like we get it, you hate rich people and hate your life therefore have no empathy!
@@jadebel7006they are still workers who were exploited. The job comes with way more expenses than the average person. Security, travel, living where you work in an expensive area, more taxes, etc so you can calm down. She's not a billionaire , hardly even a millionaire if she is at all. Even though she's doing better than you financially, she's not our oppressor, she's a worker. Show some solidarity. We need to stop the jealousy and infighting of the working class and call out the exploitation of the working class WHEREVER we see it. Every exploitative company that underpays workers and overpays themselves should be afraid to continue doing so because we outnumber them. Wish you the best! You deserve to get paid well too girl!! Let's stand together and keep building each other up!
@@Bea-3iceYou’re missing the entire point. They’re making 5k a month off of work that they heavily contributed to, used their likeness, promoted with their faces and voices, performed on stage over and over again, while higher-ups are making hundreds of millions off of that same work. They’re making a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what some of these people who control their work are.
This is what Mariah Carey, Snoop Dogg said. Like, "yooow our songs got millions of streams but we don't get the money". So every time I see fans on Twitter brag about their fave artists got big numbers of streams - listeners, it means nothing if your fave artists don't get the money they deserve.
I think the key issue here is: Fifth Harmony never sold albums, the never actually sold physical or digital copies of their albums very well, like... Little Mix who was only doing great in UK, Europe and Japan, could easily sell 1 million copies when they dropped an album, while Fifth Harmony couldn't reach a 200k mark of pure sales. They were well known and well streamed, but people didn't used to BUY them, even their shows were always small shows in theaters, and sometimes it wasn't even sold out (most of the times tbh). In general, streaming is not a strong way to make money music-wise, if you write and produce your music, yes, you will get a little richer with streaming, but Fifth Harmony music was made by tons of songwriters and producers and none of them were one of the members, at least not in the billion hit songs. So... expecting them to gain tons of money from it is kinda delusional.
@@Justarttingz Fifth Harmony is more famous and has more worldwide hits, but Little Mix sold more albums and singles and has sold out arena tours. You will never see the Little Mix girls complaining about not getting money, because they did sold albums and did huge tours, while Fifth Harmony only have streams to count with
@@Justarttingz Little Mix is an UK group, so UK should be their biggest market anyway. But they were huge in Europe as a whole, and in Japan and Korea as well
wouldn’t be surprised if this topic is what leads to them reuniting in someway & them trying to get their royalties and control of their brand. Reminds me of how the group Xscape came back.
I'm gonna be harsh right now, but earning $5k a month for work you did 8-9 years ago is pretty good. I don't get royalties for the arrests I made as a police officer.
@@kyleroberts1276 You love the Fifth Harmony girls. You're feeling better ever since you known them. You were a lonely soul, but that's the old you. A little wiser now that they showed you... ehh, you feel again... you feel again... ooh ooh oohh!
Ally is GREAT, I really like her, her voice is... muah, chef kiss, I love to see her doing interviews. On the other hand, wth is going on with peolpe STEALING from them, man, I hope they can figure it out soon and recieve what is fair! even 5 k a month is low, I think for being one of the biggest groups of these generation.
Stop making assumptions. Unlike this idiot, Rihanna actually knows what she's doing when it comes to her music career 😂😂. Also Rihanna's fan base isn't entirely made up of teens. People actually buy her CDs.
Hearing stories like this is why I never care when other artists are credited as writers even if they're not the original writer. Money from publishing is a big deal and can leave you broke if you dont have it.
New artist are always screwed over when they first start out unless they’re independent. Industries make them believe they are expandable because they kind of are until they get a name for themselves and are able to call their own shots and renegotiate their contracts. Kpop artist live paycheck to paycheck. Some barely make minimum wage while their companies take in millions from their deals.
With Simon's record label the name should've been a red flag for any artist. I mean yes it's spelt "syco" but truly meaning "psycho" because it was toxic and had the bands under that label eventually go on hiatus.
It's because they didn't write their songs...LOL The slit is already so small for streaming so after publishers and writers get their cut the artist doesn't get anything....Artists like them make all their money from touring, merchandising, brand deals etc. She said it...on their biggest hits they had no publishing rights or credits. But you also have to think that the label footed all the bills to market them, clothing, videos, etc. Independent is the better way to go for long term financial stability but it's also a harder uphill battle.
One of my friends publish one of her storys in a very popular wrighting competition when she enterd the competition they madd her sigh up a policy "contract of legal propety" that basically said she gave all of her wrighting profits to the competicion she was so exited so she send her storys and they publish there winer in a book she did not grt in to the book so she was desapointed years later she was lisening to the radio a song and then she realiced it was her story they had taken her story made it a song and there was nothing she coud do o say since she signed a agreedment in the begining so even if the competition say you have ownership of the song its not true because en la letra chica it sais you give up the property to the concurso.
She teased it in another interview that “all the girls” are working on something together and out soon. But the question is, is it all 4 or 5? Guess we’ll see.
@@ajhaines2309well yes, but there are still legalities with LA Reid and Simon Cowell that would prevent that. they own the Fifth Harmony name, but not the songs, even the ones Lauren, Dinah, and Normani wrote.
@@taeslilclown9801well even still .. they’re in a contract. I’m pretty sure that’s why they’re back together. Once you sign a contract you have to fulfill it. I think they had a 4/5 album situation .. if I’m wrong correct me.
Exactly. Plus I hate when artists complain about their label getting involved. These people are literally spending millions on you. You seriously think they're not going to give their input on how you're using THEIR money.
The music industry has changed a lot the time stars sold millions of LPs it’s over the era of Xtina Justin and Brittany where they really made millions of money is over.
Why would they get publishing if they didn't write? Lol And also... sorry to break it to you guys, but this is a business. The record company is the one spending the millions, therefore they deserve the lion's share of the profits. Don't like it? Be independent and spend your own money.
If Taylor has to face the same sh*t when she writes her songs and sells the biggest stadiums it goes to show how the talent is not given basic rights. Like these artists are just cash cows.
But honestly 5k for the songs that are not really the most current and when you not really working at the moment does not sound that bad at all. Thats a pretty decent salary for something you've done in the past with other people. I'd dign right away that deal
Not feeling her old self anymore at this point she seems colder and different . Also after her collab with Dinah I got so excited expected to see Dinah more and stuff … but checked the interviews .. mtv then here with Zach also saw her on Times Square for a collab or something else .. , billboard interviews and on Jenifer huds show … always putting Dinah last or if not not even mentioned or invited . Why just ally ? I think money wise the ones who get more endorsement are Camila ally and somehow Normani . Not the other two . Because ally Camilla have other ways of gaining money they have their own projects and accolades Emmy or nominations etc .. Collabs with brands makes up or jewelry. Including streams from Their music . So don’t know expected a career boost from this for dinah but sis still is being sabotaged … they clearly prefer Latinas or fairer skinned band girls . Or simply as Simon said the two first formers of the group were ally and Camilla don’t know the reason why but yeah hope donah bounces back .
isnt tht how it works like artists usually doesnt make money from their music unless they also write, compose or produce it. dont they need royalties or if theyre the main producer, a copyright?
I'm on the fence about this. Celebrities are humans and def deserve to get paid for their work. But at the same time, there is a conversation around capitalism underpinning celebrityhood. Most celebs who are multi-millionares are far removed from everyday people, tone deaf on wage issues until it becomes them who are affected
I stopped feeling bad for these celebrities who get duped. This has been going on for a long as Hollywood has been around and people have been telling their stories for decades. Therefore, why would anyone coming into this business think that their situation would be different?
@taeslilclown9801 And... they're parents are to blame then! Plus, they are not the first, nor second, nor 50th group of young people to fall trap to this. It's not new.
@@miggety7742 Most parents are clueless at the beginning too. The glitz and glamour and the fame that follows distract everyone temporarily, then once fame is profitable, they realize they're the ones not profiting just getting taken advantage of and at that point, it's too scary to quit.
New artists get screwed. If they can hold out through their contract length and become "free agents" then everything can open up. Kelly Clarkson said this. She was relieved when her contract was over. Only then did she have financial and creative freedom.
The thing that people fail to realize is that the label made 5H and the girls were the singers & front runners. The label is who made the music, the producers made it, the songwriters wrote it, and so pbviously percentages will be split between a bunch of people. Artists who sing what other people make, make money from touring, merch, performances, physical CD sales (which are not as common these days due to technology and streaming) so how can they complain when they literally did not write any of the songs or pay to promote the material?
You’re also disregarding the fact that the girls weren’t able to write their own material until the last album, when the label stopped caring about them, giving them, finally giving them some creative control. Little Mix fought tooth and nail at the start of their careers for the contract that 5H got ONLY on their last leg of album and tours…
They signed their contracts at 15 and 16. At that age, all they knew was signing a record deal is A BIG DEAL and they trusted the process. They then had to fight to get equal parts in songs... if they are already pit against each other, nobody will want to share their writing. Camila and Lauren were song writers but they did not have space to showcase that talent.
I think it’s really twisted that the face of the music doesn’t get anything. It’s like they’re only pretty faces and no substances, which is far from the truth. They deserved more for bringing joy to millions of people.
@@wlas4146that's unfortunately the truth with boy/girl band. It's a product and a business models where all the different parts are taken care of, they just need a pleasant face that can sell their products. American Idol is a another business model where everything in the contract is done to favor the producers. The performers have the choice to sign or not to sign. That's it. The old Crossroads deal with the devil.
The music industry is so gross, how can the artists who make the songs successful are the reason whether or not the label sees a dime get priority of the revenue not just during but for the future too it’s sick
i mean, they are literally owned from the day they form the band. Ofcourse they are gonna get robbed of their earnings. The reason why most girl bands or boybands go solo after certain hits
This is an artist who seems to have actually gotten screwed over by her record label, not getting enough attention that makes very little money and yet Taylor Swift who was worth around 300 million under her old record label that supposedly took advantage of her is playing the victim when her dad bought out part of the record label that signed her. Her dad practically sighed her and somehow she got screwed over by her record label? I don’t believe it for a second. She’s about to be a billionaire now. We should shine more light on the artists that were actually taken advantage of.
When it come to fame they are so quick to sign the contract. Contract gives the record label everything to f you over. For example let’s say the record label takes most of your ticket sales and merchandise sales album sales leaving you with less the 40-30% of the profits. If you don’t sign this deal your lost and there is you shot of being famous. The record labels can put on the contract only music producers/engineers can write your music you have no freedom in writing your music and you it’s a 4 year contract you have to release 4 albums within that year before the contract is done or the record label can sue you because you signed an agreement contract to produce 4 albums within that year. That’s why young musicians/ or actors just jump the gun even though they getting f over.
I don't feel bad for the members of Fifth Harmony. It basically died when Camila left. If you didn't treat her like shit she wouldn't have left and maybe your career would still exist.
Did they not have attorneys to protect their rights, their interests???? I blame their manager and partly them for NOT having a written contract or otherwise to protect them and thier equity in their music and their career. It all comes down to having an ATTORNEY involved and making sure they're protected and review and verify ANY and ALL contracts. What a shame....... She said before they walk on stage they sign a contract.... well, did they NOT have an attorney there for their interest and protection reviewing the contract????? They should have had an attorney present, one who is there to protect their interest, and advise them on whether they should SIGN THE CONTRACT.
again, they should have had an attorney presnet to review the contract and protect their interest. They should have had an attorney who would have protected them.@@dt9538
There's always someone in the comments who's always loud talking about who they blame, but they really don't know what they're talking about.😂😂 Y'all be so quick to say "get an attorney" as if you've ever had to get an attorney to look over anything
i’ll never forget the video of Lauren literally sobbing to Ally about how they were treated like literal slaves and got NOTHING from it… it’s truly heartbreaking.. these girls deserved so much better.
Where can I find this video?
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@@Fokky. I literally commented it
“like literal slaves” 💀 I was like ok Lauren, whatever y’all are going thru can never b just as mad as what real slaves went and go through 🙄💀
The worst part of this video is that Ally sounds like she doesn't really even understand anything about it herself, which shows to me that a lot of artists are completely in the dark about what they actually agreed to. Reading every single word of your contract before signing it is so, so important
They need a lawyer to walk them thru the contract bc a lot of it is fancy worded shxt
@@SupernaturalLove100You mean the contract she signed 10 years ago? Pretty sure it's too late for that now.
Forget reading your contract, how about just opening your mouth and asking questions? The contract you sign when you first join a label isn't going to tell you everything there is to know. Especially when you signed it x amount of years ago.
Legalese is not for the lay person. There’s a reason a whole profession of lawyers exist.
@@DavidKen878 they were teenagers. and adults aren’t typically educated on the music business and how they can manipulate you
the fact they signed contracts BEFORE they even auditioned is INSANE.. you’re auditioning not thinking you’re going to win. and also just happy to be offered a contract and because you are naive about the industry you just sign it because you think you have to … that is CRIMINAL.
Oh please..I wish I could get 5k a month for work I did years ago..do u?
@@jadebel7006they don’t get that money anymore
@@jadebel7006 and why are you defending the industry? These girls have like 8 songs wrote and recorded, then more than 40 masters in the market with lots of streams till this day (and Ally didn't mention the royalties from music videos' views or the image contract with brands, etc.) but they do not receive the amount that corresponds to them as composers/artists. This is a common situation for many people, who are deceived in exchange for "success"
The contract for American Idol is the WORST!!!
@@jadebel7006 people forget that people who work in Hollywood have a whole team behind them that they have to pay. Agents, managers, lawyers, publicists, stylists, etc all make percentage off what an artists makes (or they pay these people a flat monthly fee). It costs a lot to be a celebrity lol. If each member is getting 5K a month, they probab get half of that after taxes and such. Considering that they had multiple #1 hits and were touring all over the world, I would think anyone would want to be compensated more than 5k a month.
This is why it’s better to be independent. You probably won’t get as much fame but at least you own your brand and your music
The problem with that is only real songwriters can be independent. A lot of people just have good singing voices but no real artistic abilities so they have to find a label.
It’s very difficult to do well without the promotion from a company.
How many successful artist do you know that are not signed lmao
@@movsess Do you know how successful Tom MacDonald, Chance the Rapper, Frank Ocean, Childish Gambino, and Macklemore are? Success doesn't come from being signed to a label.
@@thomaslee7105 you just proved my point by naming the exact two and a half artists that are always brought up in these conversations every time. These artists are the exception, not the rule. Not to mention that chance, frank and donald all had acceleratation bumps from their already famous buddies. The dynamics between labels and artists are changing because of tiktok but that was not the case during 5h rise
Simon Cowell, LA Reid, Syco/Epic definitely have some skeletons in their closet
Some ? La Reid lmao is KNOWN for being a con. TLC ?
@@Junayd150let’s not forget how Leona Lewis fell into deeeep depression while under his label too
@Junayd150 Sorry for not knowing everything about this man LMAO. No one deserves to be treated this way. Period.
Honestly I would love for 5H to reunite, make at least one hit filled record and make sure they get everything from it.
They should get together and re-record everything, own their own music and make back the money they deserve!
@@ILoveJahangeeryeah but they didn’t write them lol
@@AllieMusicOfficialthey wrote self titled
@@dt9538 I guess they could do that, but, then again it’s too recent to re-record.
I would love this....
I mean, whoever followed 5H back in the days knows, how fucked up their deal was. Girls barely got any writing credits/opportunities (Dinah and Lauren are only credited on one or two songs on 7/27, and on self-titled all 4 girls don't even have main writing credits, despite being main writers for the album), but all 5 of them were worked to the bone. Looking at it now, I'm not surprised Camila left when she did. And the rest of the girls followed suit when they realized the group is not going to fulfill their needs anymore.
Blackpink did a smart move, they stick together even with solos, supporting each other, and they waited until when their 7yrs contract ended, then now they can do whatever they really wanna do as a solo artist with an already solid fan base, because they supported each other and stick together even having solos while being in a group.
TLC's Lisa left eye talked about this
*Mariah Carey way before y’all, she makes sure that on her first contract that she wrote all of her songs, and now after years, she’s comfortable living all of her publishing royalties. keep notes*
Some people have vocal talent but not songwriting talent, or vice versa. There are actually lots of people in the music industry who do the one thing or the other, but not both. Songwriters who are not recording artists obviously get publishing rights. What about talented young singers who don't have the gift of songwriting? What notes should they take?
@@jiminhart I mean underage Mariah fought for her contract as an artist even tho she’s songwriter or not, she fought for her rights and that’s a smart boss move for her and she’s negotiating with these powerful men in the industry mind you.
@@kennethsoshi03 I mean it helps when the main dude has the hots for you and you’re the whole package deal singer songwriter
@@rigo8720 nah her record label insisted that she should sang other people’s songs and she fought hard for that.
@@marquethagod1769She wasn’t married to Mottola or even dating him when she was signed in 1988-89. Know what you’re talking about before you open your mouth with misinformation.
The music industry is criminal. The exploitation of artists is so wild
It’s crazy that’s why a lot of music artist are becoming independent because of labels and stuff taking all there money for there hard work
People forget that people who work in Hollywood have a whole team behind them that they have to pay. Agents, managers, lawyers, publicists, stylists, etc all make a percentage off what an artists makes (or they pay these people a flat monthly fee). Why do u think these actors r striking? It's because there's no money in streaming, and artists are not getting their fair share in royalties/residuals.
If each member is getting 5K a month, they probably get half of that after taxes and such. Considering that they had multiple #1 hits and were touring all over the world, I would think anyone would want to be compensated more than 5k a month= $60,000/year. And these girls were superstars! Musicians, start unionizing now!
You’re making it seem like they were a group of five Taylor Swifts lol they were never that big. They didn’t have any #1s and they toured small theatres not arenas. So that 60k they earn annually actually makes sense to the caliber they actually were
@@a.cdiamonds8370 they actually were that big and had multiple hits
Ally the sweetest person ever love her so genuine and she got so mistreated
I loved the gifs of her dancing 😂
Wow. We should def do a strike... I'm glad she spoke on how it really is in this industry.
Musicians seriously need to unionize. They don't make anything off streaming anymore, just like the actors & writers for film and TV. And they need to be fairly compensated for their work on music videos, touring, and royalties.
There's no union for musicians. The whole point of a strike to have a middle man between the big boss and the guy which would ideally be a union representative. So I think that would be a good first step to take
@@mazvitaselemani i agree. or maybe even create or update some laws for the musicians would be very helpful
my jaw DROPPED when she said no when zach asked if they get anything from their hits.. I aint know it was that f*cked up!!!!
Oh please..I wish I could get 5k a month for work I did years ago..do u?
@@jadebel7006why did you leave a comment and then leave this same one multiple times? 💀 like we get it, you hate rich people and hate your life therefore have no empathy!
@@jadebel7006they are still workers who were exploited. The job comes with way more expenses than the average person. Security, travel, living where you work in an expensive area, more taxes, etc so you can calm down. She's not a billionaire , hardly even a millionaire if she is at all. Even though she's doing better than you financially, she's not our oppressor, she's a worker. Show some solidarity. We need to stop the jealousy and infighting of the working class and call out the exploitation of the working class WHEREVER we see it. Every exploitative company that underpays workers and overpays themselves should be afraid to continue doing so because we outnumber them. Wish you the best! You deserve to get paid well too girl!! Let's stand together and keep building each other up!
@@roxdaphe5k a month is a lot though if you compare it to non famous people babes
@@Bea-3iceYou’re missing the entire point. They’re making 5k a month off of work that they heavily contributed to, used their likeness, promoted with their faces and voices, performed on stage over and over again, while higher-ups are making hundreds of millions off of that same work. They’re making a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what some of these people who control their work are.
This reminded me of TLC's situation back in the day! The same thing happened to S Club 7 I think, they were 'salaried' employees, no royalties etc
Happened as far back as the Supremes in the 60s -was even slimier back then
Simon cowell has a whole lot to answer for, the way he treated fifth harmony, one direction and little mix is shocking
It’s crazy how much was going on
This is what Mariah Carey, Snoop Dogg said. Like, "yooow our songs got millions of streams but we don't get the money". So every time I see fans on Twitter brag about their fave artists got big numbers of streams - listeners, it means nothing if your fave artists don't get the money they deserve.
They will be successful . They are so amazing and talented ladies. 5 the Harmony don't Give up on your dreams.
I think the key issue here is: Fifth Harmony never sold albums, the never actually sold physical or digital copies of their albums very well, like... Little Mix who was only doing great in UK, Europe and Japan, could easily sell 1 million copies when they dropped an album, while Fifth Harmony couldn't reach a 200k mark of pure sales. They were well known and well streamed, but people didn't used to BUY them, even their shows were always small shows in theaters, and sometimes it wasn't even sold out (most of the times tbh). In general, streaming is not a strong way to make money music-wise, if you write and produce your music, yes, you will get a little richer with streaming, but Fifth Harmony music was made by tons of songwriters and producers and none of them were one of the members, at least not in the billion hit songs. So... expecting them to gain tons of money from it is kinda delusional.
Fix harmony were and still are bigger than little mix. And they actually even had more streams too.
@@Justarttingz Fifth Harmony is more famous and has more worldwide hits, but Little Mix sold more albums and singles and has sold out arena tours. You will never see the Little Mix girls complaining about not getting money, because they did sold albums and did huge tours, while Fifth Harmony only have streams to count with
@@findfefito that’s in the UK
@@Justarttingz Little Mix is an UK group, so UK should be their biggest market anyway. But they were huge in Europe as a whole, and in Japan and Korea as well
@@findfefito and fifth harmony were bigger in other places
wouldn’t be surprised if this topic is what leads to them reuniting in someway & them trying to get their royalties and control of their brand. Reminds me of how the group Xscape came back.
I'm gonna be harsh right now, but earning $5k a month for work you did 8-9 years ago is pretty good. I don't get royalties for the arrests I made as a police officer.
This happened to TLC. The music industry is so screwed up
Dude let her talk!
The Danity Kane of this era
Insult to Danity Kane, tbh.
Ugh, I love Danity Kane. And Aubrey lol
5H are better and amazing
@@tomastelisek8843 no. They aren't
@@kyleroberts1276 You love the Fifth Harmony girls. You're feeling better ever since you known them. You were a lonely soul, but that's the old you. A little wiser now that they showed you... ehh, you feel again... you feel again... ooh ooh oohh!
Ally is GREAT, I really like her, her voice is... muah, chef kiss, I love to see her doing interviews. On the other hand, wth is going on with peolpe STEALING from them, man, I hope they can figure it out soon and recieve what is fair! even 5 k a month is low, I think for being one of the biggest groups of these generation.
Oh please..I wish I could get 5k a month for work I did years ago..do u?
@@jadebel7006 of course but they get millions and millions of streams in a month, 5k it's not close to what they should be making
@@jadebel7006the point is they are owed much more, you shouldn’t just settle when other people are profiting off of your voice/talent than you are.
@@jadebel7006you realize that after taxes AND paying their respective teams, they’re not actually seeing 5k a month, and possibly quite a lot less
@@jadebel7006 for regular average people, of course we would love 5k. But for people like fifth harmony, they should get more than that.
She seems adorable. Very humble. 👍
And that’s why Rihanna don’t want to return anymore and selling lipstick in one year got what she could’ve in her whole career
Stop making assumptions. Unlike this idiot, Rihanna actually knows what she's doing when it comes to her music career 😂😂. Also Rihanna's fan base isn't entirely made up of teens. People actually buy her CDs.
they didn’t write their songs tho
they didn't get credits for writing their songs *
Hearing stories like this is why I never care when other artists are credited as writers even if they're not the original writer. Money from publishing is a big deal and can leave you broke if you dont have it.
Why would they get publishing if they didn’t write on the songs?
That band was the biggest springboard into the entertainment world. If you fumbled after recieving all that help then that is on you.
Love her songs and voice!
THE SAME HAPPEN WITH TLC. WOW CAN T BELIEVE IT
New artist are always screwed over when they first start out unless they’re independent. Industries make them believe they are expandable because they kind of are until they get a name for themselves and are able to call their own shots and renegotiate their contracts. Kpop artist live paycheck to paycheck. Some barely make minimum wage while their companies take in millions from their deals.
With Simon's record label the name should've been a red flag for any artist. I mean yes it's spelt "syco" but truly meaning "psycho" because it was toxic and had the bands under that label eventually go on hiatus.
The only people who makes money from groups are those that have a solo career afterwards
Thank you ladies for the wonderful music you gave us.
Thing no one talks about. These labels spend millions on marketing. So why wouldnt they take the biggest cut.
It's because they didn't write their songs...LOL The slit is already so small for streaming so after publishers and writers get their cut the artist doesn't get anything....Artists like them make all their money from touring, merchandising, brand deals etc. She said it...on their biggest hits they had no publishing rights or credits. But you also have to think that the label footed all the bills to market them, clothing, videos, etc. Independent is the better way to go for long term financial stability but it's also a harder uphill battle.
The Spice Girls were, and still are, loaded because they wrote every single one of their songs. Girl groups need to take notes.
the label didn’t let them write any of the songs
How do execs literally get way with this is crazy to me. It’s 2023 now and I’m sure it didn’t change.
One of my friends publish one of her storys in a very popular wrighting competition when she enterd the competition they madd her sigh up a policy "contract of legal propety" that basically said she gave all of her wrighting profits to the competicion she was so exited so she send her storys and they publish there winer in a book she did not grt in to the book so she was desapointed years later she was lisening to the radio a song and then she realiced it was her story they had taken her story made it a song and there was nothing she coud do o say since she signed a agreedment in the begining so even if the competition say you have ownership of the song its not true because en la letra chica it sais you give up the property to the concurso.
Hate the music industry. The talent gets nothing and they should get the most chunk ❤
Is it true that fifth harmony is going to reunite? It's circulating on the internet
She teased it in another interview that “all the girls” are working on something together and out soon. But the question is, is it all 4 or 5? Guess we’ll see.
@@montyl.8232you already know Camila won’t be a part of it 😂 they haven’t been close with her ever since her departure from the group.
So now they own thr brand so they can re-record everything and make all the $$$ from it
@@ajhaines2309well yes, but there are still legalities with LA Reid and Simon Cowell that would prevent that. they own the Fifth Harmony name, but not the songs, even the ones Lauren, Dinah, and Normani wrote.
@@taeslilclown9801well even still .. they’re in a contract. I’m pretty sure that’s why they’re back together. Once you sign a contract you have to fulfill it. I think they had a 4/5 album situation .. if I’m wrong correct me.
why does zach come across as so bored and uninterested here it’s highkey rude
I love Ally so much. The most talented queen ever
yes rooting for one last indie record! or (5th harmony version)
that's what happens when you sign a 360, lmao.
All she said was she didn't make a lot from streaming. That's standard no matter what kind of deal you sign.
Correct she didn’t write, produce,construct or fund any of the music so why would she make a lot of money??
Exactly. Plus I hate when artists complain about their label getting involved. These people are literally spending millions on you. You seriously think they're not going to give their input on how you're using THEIR money.
i would love for zach to talk less than his guests. What a concept
This makes me so sad.. reminds me of the video of Lauren panicking and telling Ally that they're literally slaves... 😢
That's why these reality shows love putting bands together. Is cheaper
Don't strike, do the auditing and get your money back legally.
Look into Kelly Clarkson and see how long her contract lasted. It is crazy.
The music industry has changed a lot the time stars sold millions of LPs it’s over the era of Xtina Justin and Brittany where they really made millions of money is over.
Why would they get publishing if they didn't write? Lol
And also... sorry to break it to you guys, but this is a business. The record company is the one spending the millions, therefore they deserve the lion's share of the profits.
Don't like it? Be independent and spend your own money.
If Taylor has to face the same sh*t when she writes her songs and sells the biggest stadiums it goes to show how the talent is not given basic rights. Like these artists are just cash cows.
If you notice Simon Cowells eyes they are cold like a sharks. He even tried to rip Little Mix off.
is she interviewing zac? let her talk man
Damn ya’ll did her dirty with that thumbnail. I thought she was blind or something 😂
messed up! awards are based on streams&/or sales but they get nothing. strike rn fr.
But honestly 5k for the songs that are not really the most current and when you not really working at the moment does not sound that bad at all. Thats a pretty decent salary for something you've done in the past with other people. I'd dign right away that deal
That’s insane that they don’t get anything from their hits 😢
That's why Taylor started to break this industry apart. My hero.
Lesson is to READ your contract
They were 15-19 years old when they signed on…
what people need to understand.. if artists don't own there music masters... they are owed nothing! sad reality.
Actors being on strike is one thing…but music artists need to strike.
The end of music Labels is near!!! Very near.
Zach talks too much
Artist needs to understand that being a independent artist is the way to go!!
The record industry is Shady💯💪🏿
music industry is so exploitative
Do they make money off streams if they own their masters?
They don’t own their masters. The label owns it
@@platinumgreyx8976 I know, I’m asking if an artist does own their masters do they make money off of streams
Why is Zach eating his microphone?
Not feeling her old self anymore at this point she seems colder and different . Also after her collab with Dinah I got so excited expected to see Dinah more and stuff … but checked the interviews .. mtv then here with Zach also saw her on Times Square for a collab or something else .. , billboard interviews and on Jenifer huds show … always putting Dinah last or if not not even mentioned or invited . Why just ally ?
I think money wise the ones who get more endorsement are Camila ally and somehow Normani . Not the other two .
Because ally Camilla have other ways of gaining money they have their own projects and accolades Emmy or nominations etc .. Collabs with brands makes up or jewelry. Including streams from
Their music . So don’t know expected a career boost from this for dinah but sis still is being sabotaged … they clearly prefer Latinas or fairer skinned band girls .
Or simply as Simon said the two first formers of the group were ally and Camilla don’t know the reason why but yeah hope donah bounces back .
isnt tht how it works like artists usually doesnt make money from their music unless they also write, compose or produce it. dont they need royalties or if theyre the main producer, a copyright?
He straight told her everything he thinks that happened to her, and response was correct, right? Exactly, that's right, right. This was comical😂😅😊😮
LOL he needs to let her talk
Poor girls 😢 So anyone whose going to participate in these shows need to the lawyer to look at the contracts
I'm on the fence about this. Celebrities are humans and def deserve to get paid for their work. But at the same time, there is a conversation around capitalism underpinning celebrityhood. Most celebs who are multi-millionares are far removed from everyday people, tone deaf on wage issues until it becomes them who are affected
This has nothing to do with capitalism. What are you talking about? 😂😂😂 Also who said anything about celebs not getting paid?
I stopped feeling bad for these celebrities who get duped. This has been going on for a long as Hollywood has been around and people have been telling their stories for decades. Therefore, why would anyone coming into this business think that their situation would be different?
They were minors when the contract was signed
@@mickaelaprincesse9394 Well, I blame their parents then!
these girls were 16-19 years old when they first signed on…
@taeslilclown9801 And... they're parents are to blame then! Plus, they are not the first, nor second, nor 50th group of young people to fall trap to this. It's not new.
@@miggety7742 Most parents are clueless at the beginning too. The glitz and glamour and the fame that follows distract everyone temporarily, then once fame is profitable, they realize they're the ones not profiting just getting taken advantage of and at that point, it's too scary to quit.
THEYRE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM ME LISTENING TO DOPE x5 a day?!
I mean. Back in the day; Lisa Lopez (TLC) said this. The biggest girl group of all time and they were getting mere pennies in royalties from a record.
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New artists get screwed. If they can hold out through their contract length and become "free agents" then everything can open up. Kelly Clarkson said this. She was relieved when her contract was over. Only then did she have financial and creative freedom.
No wonder Cabello bounced.
Lol no she stayed with the same label on her first solo career
Why the sunglasses…
$5000 × 12 = $60,000 yr. They made minimal wage after the success of fifth harmony.
OMG!!! Makes me wonder how much they got for touring
income tax in US is pretty steep so 35 000 😅
Its true why people think celebrities make alot of money.
The thing that people fail to realize is that the label made 5H and the girls were the singers & front runners. The label is who made the music, the producers made it, the songwriters wrote it, and so pbviously percentages will be split between a bunch of people. Artists who sing what other people make, make money from touring, merch, performances, physical CD sales (which are not as common these days due to technology and streaming) so how can they complain when they literally did not write any of the songs or pay to promote the material?
You’re also disregarding the fact that the girls weren’t able to write their own material until the last album, when the label stopped caring about them, giving them, finally giving them some creative control.
Little Mix fought tooth and nail at the start of their careers for the contract that 5H got ONLY on their last leg of album and tours…
They signed their contracts at 15 and 16. At that age, all they knew was signing a record deal is A BIG DEAL and they trusted the process. They then had to fight to get equal parts in songs... if they are already pit against each other, nobody will want to share their writing. Camila and Lauren were song writers but they did not have space to showcase that talent.
I think it’s really twisted that the face of the music doesn’t get anything. It’s like they’re only pretty faces and no substances, which is far from the truth. They deserved more for bringing joy to millions of people.
@@wlas4146that's unfortunately the truth with boy/girl band. It's a product and a business models where all the different parts are taken care of, they just need a pleasant face that can sell their products. American Idol is a another business model where everything in the contract is done to favor the producers. The performers have the choice to sign or not to sign. That's it. The old Crossroads deal with the devil.
Exactly exactly 💯
I dont know why but I thought singers would get paid everytime their song is played, like royalties😅
The music industry is so gross, how can the artists who make the songs successful are the reason whether or not the label sees a dime get priority of the revenue not just during but for the future too it’s sick
Could he let her speak?
i mean, they are literally owned from the day they form the band. Ofcourse they are gonna get robbed of their earnings. The reason why most girl bands or boybands go solo after certain hits
This is an artist who seems to have actually gotten screwed over by her record label, not getting enough attention that makes very little money and yet Taylor Swift who was worth around 300 million under her old record label that supposedly took advantage of her is playing the victim when her dad bought out part of the record label that signed her. Her dad practically sighed her and somehow she got screwed over by her record label? I don’t believe it for a second. She’s about to be a billionaire now. We should shine more light on the artists that were actually taken advantage of.
When it come to fame they are so quick to sign the contract. Contract gives the record label everything to f you over. For example let’s say the record label takes most of your ticket sales and merchandise sales album sales leaving you with less the 40-30% of the profits. If you don’t sign this deal your lost and there is you shot of being famous. The record labels can put on the contract only music producers/engineers can write your music you have no freedom in writing your music and you it’s a 4 year contract you have to release 4 albums within that year before the contract is done or the record label can sue you because you signed an agreement contract to produce 4 albums within that year. That’s why young musicians/ or actors just jump the gun even though they getting f over.
The writers get all the money.
Not just the writers but the producers, mixers, and anyone else involved also gets their share
I don't feel bad for the members of Fifth Harmony. It basically died when Camila left. If you didn't treat her like shit she wouldn't have left and maybe your career would still exist.
And now Camila is no longer on a label 😂
@@SurvivorQTreally??
she left for the money lol
Yup since romance and familia flopped no label would sign her
@@SurvivorQT deserved
60k a year..
That’s not bad…
Did they not have attorneys to protect their rights, their interests???? I blame their manager and partly them for NOT having a written contract or otherwise to protect them and thier equity in their music and their career. It all comes down to having an ATTORNEY involved and making sure they're protected and review and verify ANY and ALL contracts. What a shame....... She said before they walk on stage they sign a contract.... well, did they NOT have an attorney there for their interest and protection reviewing the contract????? They should have had an attorney present, one who is there to protect their interest, and advise them on whether they should SIGN THE CONTRACT.
no they signed contracts before X factor auditions when they were teens
again, they should have had an attorney presnet to review the contract and protect their interest. They should have had an attorney who would have protected them.@@dt9538
There's always someone in the comments who's always loud talking about who they blame, but they really don't know what they're talking about.😂😂 Y'all be so quick to say "get an attorney" as if you've ever had to get an attorney to look over anything
These girls gave up their youth, for WHAT? Truly for what? I feel so bad for them.
They gave up their youth and are old ladies now? 😂
You trade in trauma for wisdom
@@wlas4146 NO. You dont have to be used, abused and thrown away like trash to gain wisdom. The people who used these girls are evil and greedy.