I think that one of the problems we veterans face is we been places and done things that unless you been there you are misunderstood by the wider population Thanks for speaking up for us
I see veterans for what they are. The people at the wall protecting my family and I - for which I am eternally grateful. The most honourable job there is. Veterans I worked with have all had a lot of good qualities
In my humble opinion the power of the media/social-media/internet etc has not done us vets any good at all! Prior to their invention we had an above chance of getting a good stab at a decent 2nd job/career. I came out after 22 in 1990 and did ok for the next 25. I got the job I stayed with because of my bearing and perceived attitude, or so I was told some years later as at the time my skills weren’t transferable. And let’s not forget at that time you just didn’t talk about mental health! Excellent as usual Keith 🇬🇧👍
Since I left the mob, no problems getting jobs. A few jobs i had, spoke with the manager who interviewed me, and asked why me over the other candidates? Usually the answer was along the lines of, they perceived me to be loyal, punctual, trustworthy etc. However, things have changed these days, i probably wouldn't even get an interview due to military service.
@@zaynevanbommel5983 Most feel completely intimidated & threatened by the shear work ethic, & can do attitude. However civis who have come from countries where national service is the norm, never a problem, always alot of mutal respect.
Most people apart from close friends and family don't know I'm a veteran, if someone mentions it I will talk about it but otherwise I won't, if I come across another vet who has served then I will have a bit crack, funnily enough I was talking to a lad the other night in a pub who was ex Reme and he'd been to places I'd been in Germany. The ones who boast about it the most are the ones who have done the least in my opinion. Most people don't give a toss about veterans now and the government even less.
After 25 years in Lovat Green, attaining E-8 rank, my experiences did not in anyway prepare me for life afterwards. At the age of 50, having already been retired for 6 years I had only just reached the point where, as a human I had lived more time alive out of uniform than in one…but this included the 16 years as a child & teenager. I suffered from a total mental collapse. It’s been a long slow road to recovery.
I am ex para and the fact I had been in the army has got me job I end up doing 30 years as a park ranger.The strangest one I had was going for a job as a milk man the lass interveiwing me asked me had I ever worked outside.
Negative? I think they just don't care. Think about this, I live in Slovakia so many people I meet were on the eastern side of the Iron Curtain while I was on the west. To tell the truth it has never been an issue. I have also lived in eastern Germany and Poland, the same. I was in the RAC, I came out lernt German studied to be an electrical engineer in Berlin, had a family..... Now Im 60 with 5 kids from 35 years old to 5 years old. 🙂
Hi Keith , I've been out since 1990 after 16yrs as an RE . Still to this day after seeing what most of us saw as normal , Civvies have no idea what we went through for them . When you hear some one saying " you wouldn't get me doing that " or Videoing some one being assaulted on their mobile rather than stepping in and helping as we'd do without even thinking about it . 😞
In my opinion, the services are used as fodder to fight illegal wars for regime change & resources. The choice is yours. An Irish regiment of peacekeepers recently held their ground against the intimidation of the IDF.
I had an appointment to attend a Rembrance meeting on 11th November 2024 in Derby (I live in Nottigham). I also had, at the same time, to do my weekly shop at the local supermarket on a Monday morning (11 November 2024). As I walked into the supermarket in my beret, RAMC blazer and the WWI medals of my Grandpa and the WWII medals of my father expecting to be picked up shortly by the comrades from Derby, the security staff in the supermarket spontaneously jumped up and saluted me, even without headgear. It was very moving! I was lost for words. I don't believe we're "forgotten". MsG
I'm just happy to hear your family's medals are well taken care of. I see alot of abandoned WW1 medals that once belonged to someone online. I tend to get them and I either try to get them to some family member of the recipient or I give them to the museum or a veterans organization and they take care of them. More commonly I see people abuse world war 1 medals and throw them away more then WW2.
Keith, mate, they try but unfortunately they struggle to emphasise ,..with we that served. It was always going to be difficult to try to help them to understand what we gave, what we saw, who we helped. The amazing thing is that all of the struggles we endured, we wear, as a badge of honour. We hold true to it in civilian life, subtle and calm, and eventually are civvie mates see it and slowly understand ❤️. Miss you mate . Love your work👍
Many years ago I was a uniformed civilian with Northumbria Police. A new police officer was told to come and see me. Obviously he didn't know me, so his tutor constable asked "Have you seen the guy with the shiney shoes" yes was the reply, well that's the guy you need to see. That both made me laugh, and made my day.
Lots of ex military people in the ambulance service too, they're always a great laugh to be around. I've worked with quite a few in the wider NHS over the years. Usually you can tell because they're the people that give you a straight answer to a straight question and get on with stuff without making a big fuss. In my bit of the NHS there are a lot of blusterers and bullshitters, ex management consultants, and people climbing the greasy pole by winging it and taking credit for other people's work. There are still plenty of people you can trust and rely on. They're not all ex military, but quite a few of them are. And I don't recall any of them being messed up, or alcoholics.
I joined up to get away form most civilians so I don't give a hoot what they think about me. I don't need help and iam not a hero! Most veterans with any genuine service find it cringing telling people your a veteran. Loving your videos though keith bringing back a few memories
Excellent point. In my personal experience, there's a tremendous amount of denial on both sides of the fence. Some former service members keep that part of their lives totaly separate from interpersonal relationships, and some families deny family histories. Secrecy, don't ya know? ❤
I'm ex RAF accounts (SAC). My training helped me get a job in the NHS, then a building society (1972) but the labour market was easier then. My son (ex WO1, REME) left in 2015 and struggled for a few months. He could've contracted for CP work (like yourself) but eventually got work as a shift supervisor in the auto industry. Not long after he became a manager. He has seen a lot of redundancies at managerial level, including himself recently. However his experience is significant and sought after and now he's employed on appropriate pay. Your point about trade eg REME, is spot on. As to respect: our local poppy appeal still shows substantial support (in a low income area).
I’m a former 2434 from 1974 - 1998. I was aged almost 19. In basic training I met some young men who had never owned underpants; they truly came from poverty and a genuinely hard life. I met men for who violence/drinking was a way of life before the army and would remain so to today. Too many fall/fell into a trap of never preparing for civvy street; that is their big failure and, at almost 70, I see these same failed people today. They have never changed; they also blame everyone but themselves. These are just empirical observations; I don’t know the answer. For myself, I used the Open University, paid for by the army, to obtain two degrees over 12 years. That was my ticket into civilian life.
I joined the Army as a boy soldier at 16 and left 32 years later at 48. I’m now nearly 60 but still fit and reasonably capable. I was a parachute engineer and learned many transferable skills which have left me in good stead as a civvie. Unfortunately, I find it difficult to fit into a civilian employment role because most employers are lacking in the kind of professional environment I need to function properly. Here, on the railway, greed and exploitation makes me wonder why I served in the first place: is this the democratic society I sought to preserve? In truth, I expected better from civilian life and I miss the military where, while I was serving, I often yearned for civilian life. I’m glad now that I served, even with its hardships and sacrifices. I used to tell people that I’d served as a point of pride, but stopped when I kept getting asked if I’d ever killed anyone. This “thank you for your service” gets up my nose. I find it disingenuous to the point of embarrassment. I like the idea of National Service as a means of cultivating better civilians who become employers and employees in post service lives. The Armed Forces have been disparaged in reputation by engagement in brutal, unnecessary, and mendacious wars in recent decades in which I participated. I believe that these criminal events, which made criminals of us all, nurtured a ton of disrespect for the military and additionally created a pool of mentally and physically disabled troops who represent the stereotype of a damaged individual to potential employers. A small military committed to frequent battle makes a lot of casualties. I hope the Armed Forces are reprofessionalised, as it were, to provide their defensive role and also loyalty to civil society. Too many squaddies are bitter about their service, which is understandable, to the point we become far right or even fascist which isn’t. We fought against fascism so I can’t handle this hypocrisy. Our attitude reflects on the rest of the population too for which we need to take responsibility.
In the 80s after discharge I applied for numerous jobs, what pissed me off was these same employers that turned me down because I was a veteran, were seen attending Remembrance Day parades, wtf? I found it best to omit my service, which I must admit made me uncomfortable. Many council managers, teachers, NHS and public sector employers look down on the forces, so it's wise to keep quiet until you suss out the lie of the land.
I've not got any links to the military through family, but I have the utmost respect and gratitude for veterans and also the people serving our country. I can see how the portrayal in tv and films can jade some people's opinions on ex forces people. There are so many skills that veterans can bring that are not just academic and I think people forget that. Thank you all for your service! :)
A healthy home is one where transmission television is not watched. With the current state of Britain most civilians have more to worry about than veterans. I regard myself as a civilian or ex squaddie rather than the term veteran.
Another interesting video Keith. I may have said this before, and I know it may be controversial, but I don't like the term Veteran as defined here in the UK. Until relatively recently, I always thought it meant somebody who had served on active service, however it's defined as "anyone who has served in the UK Armed Forces for at least one day". I never feel that my seven years in the 1980s, without any active service should warrant me being called a veteran, but there you go and I'm sure many will disagree. The effects on me of serving, would potentially be very different to somebody who had done active service over the last couple of decades. Regarding your theme about job hunting, I left in 1988 as a Corporal Royal Signals Radio Relay tech, when IT and comms was exploding in civvy street. I was recruited into a building society IT department via the old Services Recruitement Bulletin that they pinned on the notice boards. The guy who placed the ad was an ex Signals Sgt, and 90% of our department ended up being the same. I had a very good career out of my trade and managed to retire at the age of 52. I left school with no qualifications, but passed the apprentice entrance test (To this day I don't know how). I did find it hard, but that qualification and experience was very desireable to civvy st at that point in time.
I appreciate you've got yourself centered more with the camera and the sound is much better, getting all professional now mate. On the video topic; the company I work for (national comms company) still recruits veterans, usually in batches every few years a new group appears and they're always great to work with.
Jobwise I've found it 40-60, my CV doesn't mention it anymore after too many "not the right cultural fit" comments. Saying that I've been asked in some interviews if i had any military experience, when responded with the affirmative, I experienced positive work environments (and still do). I will say the hardest hurdle to get over these days can be some HR element's who seem to play a bigger part in interviews. Keep on tabbing Mucka👍🏻.
I was being interviewed for a job and the manager asked what my proudest achievement was. When I replied that it was gaining my commission he was dumbfounded. He either didn't read my CV or, more likely, hadn't understood what he'd read.
Lol, I had an interview and the interviewer commented that it must have been "fun" being on the Army (She was being a complete tonk & I had already deceided I didn't want the job, no matter the pay) my reply was along the lines of, "Yea, risking your life for someone who wants to shoot you, or blow you up, is more "fun" than you can ever imagine". Basically that ended the interview. Another interviewer said "People with mental health issues should be put in a room & g4$$ed" - my reply "I can not condone such an opinion" I left the interview soon afterwards. Whilst I don't consider myself to have a mental health issue, what a thoroughly toxic environment, the irony being thay made gases to decontaminate stuff. Needless to say I declined the job. One Civi told me that "Only ppl with anger management issues join the Army" My reply "Have you actually asked anyone why they joined the army?" - she hadn't of course. I then left the interview soon afterwards.
I served for 6 years in the Royal.Air Force from 1978 to 1984. During my time I saw people looking down their noses at me as if I didn't have a proper job or wasn't capable of getting better. I went to the Falklands and Northern Ireland and nobody gave a rats arse. I've been in uniform on station platforms and some either thought I was a British Rail porter or just ignored me if I asked which train platform. It wasn't until Iraq and Afghanistan that anyone thanked me for my service. And I was never in those theatres. My experience is best summed up by Rudyard Kipling. Read the poems "Tommy" and "The Last Of The Light Brigade". After my service, I returned to my original ambition to become a professional artist/painter. I've been very successful. My paintings have individually sold for more money than I earned during my entire service.
I think the media have a lot to do with shaping civilian thoughts on HMF vets.i did the same as you, full service, was picked up by a gov dept, 22 years with thrm, but also joined the TA in old money and served with them for 21 years, my employer was very happy as it projected to customers how atuned they are to there needs. The TA i found to be real fun, same cap badge, many appointments, i would say more then REG. Finished at 60, asked to extend, said no,63 is a bit old to keep doing BFT and CFT with the phase one recruits. Wife and i are just off pension time. So i think coming out you can be lucky or not, it realy depends on what your skills are, have you done your planing and prep, need to start at least one year before, look at the state of the market in what you would like to go for, spend time speaking to recruitment agencies, get your CV set up by them so it converts MIL speak to CIV speak, attend seminars where you can be training in CIV interviews and how to put across your skill set blend it in, if successful, understand the environment your about to go into and blend with there work style, dont get pissed off if you find having to go and sit at theredesk after sendin phone calls, emails, texts to get anything done, its how CIVILIANS lifes go, that is ther best endeavour to them which is light years away from yours. Remember, remain flexible at all times and most important DONT LET THE CIVVIES GRIND YOU DOWN dont take it personal, they think what there doing and how the conduct. themselves is brill. Look after your family, your not in anymore, speak to your old mates, if they have families group up for holidays, etc, hope this helps, oh one last thing there is no loyalty in CIVILIAN STREET, they dont do it, so play there game, and if needs be, you my have to get to there level. Is how the sad silly civvies are. Hope this helps.
People have asked me "How many people did you kill in the Army?" Each time I've replied "Not as many as I have since leaving the Army?"...Conversation ending reply, works every time👍🇬🇧
Hey Keith 👊🏼 Unfortunately, due to an overall negative press, especially over the last 25 years, the depiction of our ex. soldiers, to many employers, have become in their general view for the workplace, hesitant at best. However, in recent years, some work to change that perception has been done, to inspire some employers to hire more, but not enough... ⬇️ To summarise, some of our brethren sometimes feel: We are damned if we do and damned if we don't... caught between a rock and a hard place, in limbo - a 'no man's land'... To those still in that place I say, recognise it, get a fix, then get a bearing to a sunny upland in the distance, which resonates with you and TAB out of there, otherwise, you can get bogged down and stuck in the mud... Another cracking video! 💪🏻 ATB Gus 🍻 🇬🇧
Another thought provoking video Keith - I walked into a job after 35 Years service as a manager in the Charity Sector & It was only after I had risen to a senior job that I was told I got the job because I was an ex ranker and the rank looked good on the letter heads!!! In general I believe that 99% of the civpop give no thought to us Vets or serving Soldiers. BTW like you Clerk of Works friend I am RE.
Keith, if I was an employer, I would place any ex service personnel to the top of the list of recruits. They have more than just transferrable skills to their armament. I have worked in various jobs in civvy street for most of my life even though I served in the Royal Observer Corps as a volunteer. Let me give you an impression of civvy street from my point of view. Management tends to feather their own nests often at the expense of their employees. Fellow work colleagues will be friendly to your face, whilst stabbing you in the back. In my book, if a person can serve their country, then it is behoved of civvy employers to prove their worth to ex service personnel. You can’t do anything wrong in my eyes!
Funny how squaddies are portrayed on TV ‘cos they all look like they’re smuggling pork pies under their berets…!! Always makes me laugh that one Keith 😂
13 years RAF chef, Became a public house manager for Whitbread for 5 years. Binned that and served 16 years HM Prison Service. When I joined (2001) worked with alot of ex-forces. They dont employ as many ex-forces as they used to. Dont know why?
It was the same when i joined the prison service now they want kids with degrees with no life experience who will do what they are told without thinking rather than people like us I'm ex army and N I prison service
Hi Keith , being ex army definitely helped me straight into the Fire Service for a 30 yr career. I honestly don't think most people give a monkeys about military veterans or understand anything about military service ,or really care, apart maybe, for an hour on remembrance day !. I've been spat at and dodged bricks as a firefighter, there are many people in this country that couldn't care less about anyone who has served in the forces , emergency services, or NHS
Why should they give a fuck? Name one major conflict the British Army has been involved in in the last thirty years that has benifited the people of Britain.
A comrade attended a pre retirement course that the Irish Defence Forces offered to those approaching their pension. The civvie conducting the course when told by the attendees that no one is looking for mortar men in the civvie world. " Are you kidding" he said. Every single one of you have man management skills that are unknown in the civilian world. When you think on it, a lowly corporal will be able to organise an entire company to go to the range. That involves a lot of organisation. Get 100 men together, organise transport, food, ammunition et. cet. and yet we can do it with our eyes closed.
I enlisted in 1979. The Deer Hunter was popular at that time. Depicted troubled soldiers, etc... Then Apocalypse Now came out, more of the same. (Post Vietnam). I retied in 2000. After 9/11 all military personnel were "Heroes". Many movies made about super soldiers etc... It all depends on the times and political climate.
In the early 90's I got two very good jobs through the RFEA, the forces employment charity. The local branch was run by an ex Colonel and a lot of the recruitment managers using the service were themselves ex forces. I'd recommend them to any ex forces bods.
As for work, I'm in tech now. Its 50/50. Either there is some respect, or they dont care/dont know/are hostile General public likes veterans so long as they stand there and look pretty, but keep their mouths shut about politics or how experiences might inform political decisions Thats my experience anyway
My employer looks very favourably on ex forces folks, the director and assistant director in charge of my department (facilities/maintenance) are both ex army, Para Reg and REME respectively, obviously being a veteran doesn’t 100% guarantee there won’t be issues (absolutely anybody can cause an employer grief whether ex mob or civvie- that’s down to the individual) but a serviceman/woman will know about timekeeping, smart appearance, working under pressure, man management etc so have a huge amount to offer, any business that summarily dismisses someone as a potential employee just because they’re ex forces is missing a huge opportunity in my opinion.
Regarding stereotyping of veterans on TV dramas, of course everything is sensationalised. They don't make dramas about ordinary normal people. that woud be boring. So the veteran has to be deranged/mentally unstable/criminal etc or there's no story. But as we all know, for every nutter there are hundreds of everyday people just getting on with it. Having said that, if your military career has mostly involved firing weapons etc, that sort of limits your civilian usefulness to some extent.
In the modern world whatever is on TV is obviously factual! The public is largely unable to tell the difference anymore. The internet has exacerbated this x 1000.
I found most civvies couldn't work as hard as ex forces people and still get to work next day clean and ready for more work , and even with a few gym sessions a week too just because we had more energy.
When I was younger employing an ex serviceman was seen as a positive thing, due to the influence of discipline, not so now due to the unfair influence of TV sadly.
The major problem with the Public is they are very ignorant of the military today. A lot of this due to not only to the Armed Forces roughly half the size as in 1982, but up to the end of the 20th Century every European Nation, except U.K. and Ireland had National Service ( conscription) Just ask most citizens the size of army, RN, RAF, and see how drastically they get it wrong.
The thing is, military ppl are actually used to getting things done.. Civis aren't, they spend all day skiving & shirking. Most civi managers are completely threatened by the shear capability of any military person! 98% of civis haven't done anything with their life. However many Veterans struggle with the 'fluffy' non banter that isn't allowed in the 'workplace'.
@carlbaker6404 Ha ha, there is a time and a place ... When you have customer orders to complete and stuff to get shipped, that your wages depend on, it is a 'bit' different.
I think most civilians prefer not to view us. Some people at my workplace know I am ex army, most don't. I don't shout about it but I also don't deny it.
1st like Western Australia 🔥 Look up a movie called "For Queen & Country" one of Denzel Washingtons first films he plays Rubin a Para Reg combat veteran Op Banner, Falklands who gets out and is about to get kicked out of the UK
I have great respect for the training, skills and preparedness to defend the country. However the wars in the Middle East were nothing to do with us and I think it was a waste of life and resources. I was in the TA Paras 50 years ago and I was ready to fight but the wars my friends were subsequently sent to were negative.
If true this explains why I was applying for over 300 jobs a week, and that is no kidding, even though I had a much needed IT skillset that was supposed to be in short supply, that I did in my own time and out of my own pocket,
I haven't watched transmition television in my home for over twenty five years. Now and again I see the poison when I am at work in a rest room, or visiting friends. Go back and look at the television material produced in the 60s and 70s and compare it with the retardation and filth being pushed on the population today and you will understand where I am coming from.
I left with very transferable skills ex RE and had multi rejections from job applications . So I made a new CV and based it on working for the MOD rather than in the army and the gates opened. Funnily enough I ended up going to work for an Israeli international company most of the managers there were ex Israeli military, best move I ever made. The major excuse or reason for being rejected was lack of commercial experience but it was a BS reason.
I was in a short time and had to go to university to get work. My mate in 2 para went on to pmc work earning 90,000. Then did a lot of medical courses.
My uncle was a wo1 raf ww2 he found it difficult to obtain any work after raf hes serviced lancasters. Roll on 50 plus yeads, i was marine engineer RN DID 13 years i found simular, to get any job after service . But did get a job in the end, was told by agencies dont mention armed forces on cvs or interviews. Militry get bad press kieth and its believed by civvies.
Veterans, especially those with leadership skills from units that do not have transferrable skills who thrive in an environment of order and discipline may find that the police service is a decent career. As the army has moved on to recruit training at a foundation academy, would veterans not benefit from a demob police program, a building of a foundation using a hybrid, online and in-class curriculum to prepare for their next leg-up, a career in policing.?
It is getting better for service leavers now, there is still a long way to go. The CTP offer guidance for resettlement, there are also forces employment charities and organizations that can link SP. Resettlement starts from day one, a decent CoC will push this with the troops and encourage the lads/ladies to use their 'Learning Credits' for education and qualifications. Developing your troops also enhances your team outputs, making a better Army all round. The Army could do more to push for this, however I think it should also be a government responsibility to educate the public and employers regarding the skills that service leavers offer.
The Forces Employment Charity recommended I do 'surveys' as a job, not as in surveyor, but online surveys. What a load of utter rubbish (imho) I wouldn't bother picking the phone up to them.
@@timphillips2902 To say I feel somewhat 'insulted' is an utter £*££!%g understatement. Personally I wouldn't bother answering the phone to them, or even looking at their website. Although it has changed or outsourced or some other thing - which I'm not interested in tbh. But each to their own. It is up to the person to make their mind up. Albeit my situation is probably a bit unusual ... I have been chronically ill (cancer twice in 9 months) had to give up my job due to fatigue ... so can't do the long hours I used to. Struggling financially, I've worked too hard to get gov help, too young to get private & military pension, & I've got to survive long enough to get to my state pension. (I'll be lucky tbh - but up for the challenge) So it is what it is, I'm a slowly sinking ship. Home is bonkers, Arthur job everywhere. Have a broad skill set, using alot of it, where I can. Been in worse situations, although this is long term - so very different, other situation was comparitively short term & I was fit enough to be able to graft my way out of it. Like eating eve meals only on days with a U in it, porridge only in the mornings the other days. Apple at lunch, slice of bread & peanut butter. Lots of other part time jobs, as well as my main job. Lasted 18months before I broke / exhaustion. Got out of it, just as well I did, or I would be living in a tent now. If anyone thinks someone is gonna rock up & save them (or even actually help) imho they are very deluded, or they have struck a diamond, or have found a golden egg. Sorry, if I sound very cynical, just my experience of life.
Thats a bit easy to say a big chunk of them view us vets! Looking at us an dont give a toss/shit about us lot.!! But its just not true!! Bad news!! 😊😮 keep this up n rolling out mucker well done green on mucker 😊 that's what I did 4a few yrs is work on circus! Pmc! In the midal east!! N overseas!! Pay was pants. Have been on n off the circus page!! 😊
Unfortunately, Great Plains USA, the vast majority of the ones that sign on here basically don't have any other choice. Can't afford any higher education nor trade school. Job prospects minimal. It was that way when I was in high school. 50s today.
The poem Tommy by Rudyard Kipling sums it up
Wow. He said it all so long ago and its so true today.
I think that one of the problems we veterans face is we been places and done things that unless you been there you are misunderstood by the wider population Thanks for speaking up for us
Stagging on in Sennelager waiting for the red army to steamroll Europe 😂😂
@ and getting bit by them flies in soltau
nothing but respect and gratitude for all vets and service personnel from me ,stay safe .
When I was recruiting ex-forces was always a positive: well trained, good at dealing with people at all levels and well organised
I see veterans for what they are. The people at the wall protecting my family and I - for which I am eternally grateful. The most honourable job there is.
Veterans I worked with have all had a lot of good qualities
In my humble opinion the power of the media/social-media/internet etc has not done us vets any good at all! Prior to their invention we had an above chance of getting a good stab at a decent 2nd job/career. I came out after 22 in 1990 and did ok for the next 25. I got the job I stayed with because of my bearing and perceived attitude, or so I was told some years later as at the time my skills weren’t transferable. And let’s not forget at that time you just didn’t talk about mental health! Excellent as usual Keith 🇬🇧👍
Since I left the mob, no problems getting jobs. A few jobs i had, spoke with the manager who interviewed me, and asked why me over the other candidates? Usually the answer was along the lines of, they perceived me to be loyal, punctual, trustworthy etc. However, things have changed these days, i probably wouldn't even get an interview due to military service.
I’ve had the same problem and have retired now.😮
@Achilles22 So have I, gave it up at 55, no point looking, nor pay any great amount of tax. Suits me.
Most Civis are indifferent towards Veterans 🎉
That or jealousy
@@zaynevanbommel5983 Most feel completely intimidated & threatened by the shear work ethic, & can do attitude.
However civis who have come from countries where national service is the norm, never a problem, always alot of mutal respect.
Most people apart from close friends and family don't know I'm a veteran, if someone mentions it I will talk about it but otherwise I won't, if I come across another vet who has served then I will have a bit crack, funnily enough I was talking to a lad the other night in a pub who was ex Reme and he'd been to places I'd been in Germany. The ones who boast about it the most are the ones who have done the least in my opinion. Most people don't give a toss about veterans now and the government even less.
After 25 years in Lovat Green, attaining E-8 rank, my experiences did not in anyway prepare me for life afterwards. At the age of 50, having already been retired for 6 years I had only just reached the point where, as a human I had lived more time alive out of uniform than in one…but this included the 16 years as a child & teenager.
I suffered from a total mental collapse.
It’s been a long slow road to recovery.
A Great Update Thanks ! Stay Safe ! ( EX R.N Officer ) Kent U.K 😊
I am ex para and the fact I had been in the army has got me job I end up doing 30 years as a park ranger.The strangest one I had was going for a job as a milk man the lass interveiwing me asked me had I ever worked outside.
Negative? I think they just don't care. Think about this, I live in Slovakia so many people I meet were on the eastern side of the Iron Curtain while I was on the west. To tell the truth it has never been an issue. I have also lived in eastern Germany and Poland, the same. I was in the RAC, I came out lernt German studied to be an electrical engineer in Berlin, had a family..... Now Im 60 with 5 kids from 35 years old to 5 years old. 🙂
I agree with you. I think a lot of people don't care but then again the whole American "thank you for your service " thing makes me cringe.
Speaking as a veteran and employing veterans!.. They are a nightmare to employ! I wouldn't employ a veteran ever again!
Hi Keith ,
I've been out since 1990 after 16yrs as an RE . Still to this day after seeing what most of us saw as normal , Civvies have no idea what we went through for them . When you hear some one saying " you wouldn't get me doing that " or Videoing some one being assaulted on their mobile rather than stepping in and helping as we'd do without even thinking about it . 😞
In my opinion, the services are used as fodder to fight illegal wars for regime change & resources. The choice is yours. An Irish regiment of peacekeepers recently held their ground against the intimidation of the IDF.
I had an appointment to attend a Rembrance meeting on 11th November 2024 in Derby (I live in Nottigham). I also had, at the same time, to do my weekly shop at the local supermarket on a Monday morning (11 November 2024). As I walked into the supermarket in my beret, RAMC blazer and the WWI medals of my Grandpa and the WWII medals of my father expecting to be picked up shortly by the comrades from Derby, the security staff in the supermarket spontaneously jumped up and saluted me, even without headgear. It was very moving! I was lost for words. I don't believe we're "forgotten".
MsG
I'm just happy to hear your family's medals are well taken care of. I see alot of abandoned WW1 medals that once belonged to someone online. I tend to get them and I either try to get them to some family member of the recipient or I give them to the museum or a veterans organization and they take care of them. More commonly I see people abuse world war 1 medals and throw them away more then WW2.
Keith, mate, they try but unfortunately they struggle to emphasise ,..with we that served. It was always going to be difficult to try to help them to understand what we gave, what we saw, who we helped. The amazing thing is that all of the struggles we endured, we wear, as a badge of honour. We hold true to it in civilian life, subtle and calm, and eventually are civvie mates see it and slowly understand ❤️. Miss you mate . Love your work👍
Many years ago I was a uniformed civilian with Northumbria Police. A new police officer was told to come and see me. Obviously he didn't know me, so his tutor constable asked "Have you seen the guy with the shiney shoes" yes was the reply, well that's the guy you need to see. That both made me laugh, and made my day.
Lots of ex military people in the ambulance service too, they're always a great laugh to be around. I've worked with quite a few in the wider NHS over the years. Usually you can tell because they're the people that give you a straight answer to a straight question and get on with stuff without making a big fuss. In my bit of the NHS there are a lot of blusterers and bullshitters, ex management consultants, and people climbing the greasy pole by winging it and taking credit for other people's work. There are still plenty of people you can trust and rely on. They're not all ex military, but quite a few of them are. And I don't recall any of them being messed up, or alcoholics.
Unfortunately, we are mostly forgotten about by some. Others think we have some form of disorder like you have said, in my experience.
I joined up to get away form most civilians so I don't give a hoot what they think about me. I don't need help and iam not a hero! Most veterans with any genuine service find it cringing telling people your a veteran. Loving your videos though keith bringing back a few memories
I rarely mention it to civvies, unless it comes up in conversation, or I hear people putting us down. Only then would I stick my oar in.
Nice one mate!!👍 Civilians??...F*ck em!!
Good video! Different employers can have different opinions, that is for sure. Happy Xmas Keith to you and Tracer round. All the best for 2025
Not sure which one came first but "Harry Brown" (Michael Caine) is a similar story line to "Gran Torino" (Clint Eastwood). Both are awesome films.
A damn sight better than the government my friend.
Excellent point. In my personal experience, there's a tremendous amount of denial on both sides of the fence. Some former service members keep that part of their lives totaly separate from interpersonal relationships, and some families deny family histories. Secrecy, don't ya know? ❤
This so true ,
I'm ex RAF accounts (SAC). My training helped me get a job in the NHS, then a building society (1972) but the labour market was easier then. My son (ex WO1, REME) left in 2015 and struggled for a few months. He could've contracted for CP work (like yourself) but eventually got work as a shift supervisor in the auto industry. Not long after he became a manager. He has seen a lot of redundancies at managerial level, including himself recently. However his experience is significant and sought after and now he's employed on appropriate pay. Your point about trade eg REME, is spot on. As to respect: our local poppy appeal still shows substantial support (in a low income area).
I’m a former 2434 from 1974 - 1998. I was aged almost 19. In basic training I met some young men who had never owned underpants; they truly came from poverty and a genuinely hard life. I met men for who violence/drinking was a way of life before the army and would remain so to today.
Too many fall/fell into a trap of never preparing for civvy street; that is their big failure and, at almost 70, I see these same failed people today.
They have never changed; they also blame everyone but themselves. These are just empirical observations; I don’t know the answer.
For myself, I used the Open University, paid for by the army, to obtain two degrees over 12 years. That was my ticket into civilian life.
I joined the Army as a boy soldier at 16 and left 32 years later at 48. I’m now nearly 60 but still fit and reasonably capable. I was a parachute engineer and learned many transferable skills which have left me in good stead as a civvie.
Unfortunately, I find it difficult to fit into a civilian employment role because most employers are lacking in the kind of professional environment I need to function properly. Here, on the railway, greed and exploitation makes me wonder why I served in the first place: is this the democratic society I sought to preserve?
In truth, I expected better from civilian life and I miss the military where, while I was serving, I often yearned for civilian life.
I’m glad now that I served, even with its hardships and sacrifices. I used to tell people that I’d served as a point of pride, but stopped when I kept getting asked if I’d ever killed anyone. This “thank you for your service” gets up my nose. I find it disingenuous to the point of embarrassment.
I like the idea of National Service as a means of cultivating better civilians who become employers and employees in post service lives. The Armed Forces have been disparaged in reputation by engagement in brutal, unnecessary, and mendacious wars in recent decades in which I participated. I believe that these criminal events, which made criminals of us all, nurtured a ton of disrespect for the military and additionally created a pool of mentally and physically disabled troops who represent the stereotype of a damaged individual to potential employers. A small military committed to frequent battle makes a lot of casualties.
I hope the Armed Forces are reprofessionalised, as it were, to provide their defensive role and also loyalty to civil society. Too many squaddies are bitter about their service, which is understandable, to the point we become far right or even fascist which isn’t. We fought against fascism so I can’t handle this hypocrisy. Our attitude reflects on the rest of the population too for which we need to take responsibility.
In the 80s after discharge I applied for numerous jobs, what pissed me off was these same employers that turned me down because I was a veteran, were seen attending Remembrance Day parades, wtf? I found it best to omit my service, which I must admit made me uncomfortable. Many council managers, teachers, NHS and public sector employers look down on the forces, so it's wise to keep quiet until you suss out the lie of the land.
I've not got any links to the military through family, but I have the utmost respect and gratitude for veterans and also the people serving our country. I can see how the portrayal in tv and films can jade some people's opinions on ex forces people. There are so many skills that veterans can bring that are not just academic and I think people forget that. Thank you all for your service! :)
A healthy home is one where transmission television is not watched. With the current state of Britain most civilians have more to worry about than veterans. I regard myself as a civilian or ex squaddie rather than the term veteran.
Another interesting video Keith. I may have said this before, and I know it may be controversial, but I don't like the term Veteran as defined here in the UK. Until relatively recently, I always thought it meant somebody who had served on active service, however it's defined as "anyone who has served in the UK Armed Forces for at least one day". I never feel that my seven years in the 1980s, without any active service should warrant me being called a veteran, but there you go and I'm sure many will disagree. The effects on me of serving, would potentially be very different to somebody who had done active service over the last couple of decades.
Regarding your theme about job hunting, I left in 1988 as a Corporal Royal Signals Radio Relay tech, when IT and comms was exploding in civvy street. I was recruited into a building society IT department via the old Services Recruitement Bulletin that they pinned on the notice boards. The guy who placed the ad was an ex Signals Sgt, and 90% of our department ended up being the same. I had a very good career out of my trade and managed to retire at the age of 52. I left school with no qualifications, but passed the apprentice entrance test (To this day I don't know how). I did find it hard, but that qualification and experience was very desireable to civvy st at that point in time.
I appreciate you've got yourself centered more with the camera and the sound is much better, getting all professional now mate. On the video topic; the company I work for (national comms company) still recruits veterans, usually in batches every few years a new group appears and they're always great to work with.
Ex RCT, l was lucky l had a H G V class 1 when l left the Army & was never out of work .
Jobwise I've found it 40-60, my CV doesn't mention it anymore after too many "not the right cultural fit" comments. Saying that I've been asked in some interviews if i had any military experience, when responded with the affirmative, I experienced positive work environments (and still do). I will say the hardest hurdle to get over these days can be some HR element's who seem to play a bigger part in interviews. Keep on tabbing Mucka👍🏻.
Rudyard Kipling was spot on!
I was being interviewed for a job and the manager asked what my proudest achievement was. When I replied that it was gaining my commission he was dumbfounded. He either didn't read my CV or, more likely, hadn't understood what he'd read.
Lol, I had an interview and the interviewer commented that it must have been "fun" being on the Army (She was being a complete tonk & I had already deceided I didn't want the job, no matter the pay) my reply was along the lines of, "Yea, risking your life for someone who wants to shoot you, or blow you up, is more "fun" than you can ever imagine". Basically that ended the interview.
Another interviewer said "People with mental health issues should be put in a room & g4$$ed" - my reply "I can not condone such an opinion" I left the interview soon afterwards. Whilst I don't consider myself to have a mental health issue, what a thoroughly toxic environment, the irony being thay made gases to decontaminate stuff. Needless to say I declined the job.
One Civi told me that "Only ppl with anger management issues join the Army"
My reply "Have you actually asked anyone why they joined the army?" - she hadn't of course. I then left the interview soon afterwards.
I served for 6 years in the Royal.Air Force from 1978 to 1984. During my time I saw people looking down their noses at me as if I didn't have a proper job or wasn't capable of getting better. I went to the Falklands and Northern Ireland and nobody gave a rats arse. I've been in uniform on station platforms and some either thought I was a British Rail porter or just ignored me if I asked which train platform. It wasn't until Iraq and Afghanistan that anyone thanked me for my service. And I was never in those theatres. My experience is best summed up by Rudyard Kipling. Read the poems "Tommy" and "The Last Of The Light Brigade".
After my service, I returned to my original ambition to become a professional artist/painter. I've been very successful. My paintings have individually sold for more money than I earned during my entire service.
I think the media have a lot to do with shaping civilian thoughts on HMF vets.i did the same as you, full service, was picked up by a gov dept, 22 years with thrm, but also joined the TA in old money and served with them for 21 years, my employer was very happy as it projected to customers how atuned they are to there needs. The TA i found to be real fun, same cap badge, many appointments, i would say more then REG. Finished at 60, asked to extend, said no,63 is a bit old to keep doing BFT and CFT with the phase one recruits. Wife and i are just off pension time. So i think coming out you can be lucky or not, it realy depends on what your skills are, have you done your planing and prep, need to start at least one year before, look at the state of the market in what you would like to go for, spend time speaking to recruitment agencies, get your CV set up by them so it converts MIL speak to CIV speak, attend seminars where you can be training in CIV interviews and how to put across your skill set blend it in, if successful, understand the environment your about to go into and blend with there work style, dont get pissed off if you find having to go and sit at theredesk after sendin phone calls, emails, texts to get anything done, its how CIVILIANS lifes go, that is ther best endeavour to them which is light years away from yours. Remember, remain flexible at all times and most important DONT LET THE CIVVIES GRIND YOU DOWN dont take it personal, they think what there doing and how the conduct. themselves is brill. Look after your family, your not in anymore, speak to your old mates, if they have families group up for holidays, etc, hope this helps, oh one last thing there is no loyalty in CIVILIAN STREET, they dont do it, so play there game, and if needs be, you my have to get to there level. Is how the sad silly civvies are. Hope this helps.
I am veteran myself I been spat out a verbally abused and called a murderer
Really. 😢
Not on here you won't be pal ❤ hats off to you
People have asked me "How many people did you kill in the Army?" Each time I've replied "Not as many as I have since leaving the Army?"...Conversation ending reply, works every time👍🇬🇧
Hey Keith 👊🏼
Unfortunately, due to an overall negative press, especially over the last 25 years, the depiction of our ex. soldiers, to many employers, have become in their general view for the workplace, hesitant at best.
However, in recent years, some work to change that perception has been done, to inspire some employers to hire more, but not enough...
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To summarise, some of our brethren sometimes feel:
We are damned if we do and damned if we don't... caught between a rock and a hard place, in limbo - a 'no man's land'...
To those still in that place I say, recognise it, get a fix, then get a bearing to a sunny upland in the distance, which resonates with you and TAB out of there, otherwise, you can get bogged down and stuck in the mud...
Another cracking video! 💪🏻
ATB Gus 🍻
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Another thought provoking video Keith - I walked into a job after 35 Years service as a manager in the Charity Sector & It was only after I had risen to a senior job that I was told I got the job because I was an ex ranker and the rank looked good on the letter heads!!! In general I believe that 99% of the civpop give no thought to us Vets or serving Soldiers. BTW like you Clerk of Works friend I am RE.
Most civies are indifferent to me as I wear my Veteran badge and Poppy 365 on my coat. people don't take any notice. Thanks for the Vid again.
Keith, if I was an employer, I would place any ex service personnel to the top of the list of recruits. They have more than just transferrable skills to their armament. I have worked in various jobs in civvy street for most of my life even though I served in the Royal Observer Corps as a volunteer. Let me give you an impression of civvy street from my point of view. Management tends to feather their own nests often at the expense of their employees. Fellow work colleagues will be friendly to your face, whilst stabbing you in the back. In my book, if a person can serve their country, then it is behoved of civvy employers to prove their worth to ex service personnel. You can’t do anything wrong in my eyes!
Funny how squaddies are portrayed on TV ‘cos they all look like they’re smuggling pork pies under their berets…!! Always makes me laugh that one Keith 😂
13 years RAF chef, Became a public house manager for Whitbread for 5 years. Binned that and served 16 years HM Prison Service. When I joined (2001) worked with alot of ex-forces. They dont employ as many ex-forces as they used to. Dont know why?
It was the same when i joined the prison service now they want kids with degrees with no life experience who will do what they are told without thinking rather than people like us I'm ex army and N I prison service
Hi Keith , being ex army definitely helped me straight into the Fire Service for a 30 yr career. I honestly don't think most people give a monkeys about military veterans or understand anything about military service ,or really care, apart maybe, for an hour on remembrance day !.
I've been spat at and dodged bricks as a firefighter, there are many people in this country that couldn't care less about anyone who has served in the forces , emergency services, or NHS
Ex SAAF here. I don't think most people in South Africa know anything about the military. My civilian career gets more respect
They don’t give a f*** Keith unlike our American Friends they go beyond and above for veterans
Why should they give a fuck? Name one major conflict the British Army has been involved in in the last thirty years that has benifited the people of Britain.
A comrade attended a pre retirement course that the Irish Defence Forces offered to those approaching their pension. The civvie conducting the course when told by the attendees that no one is looking for mortar men in the civvie world. " Are you kidding" he said. Every single one of you have man management skills that are unknown in the civilian world. When you think on it, a lowly corporal will be able to organise an entire company to go to the range. That involves a lot of organisation. Get 100 men together, organise transport, food, ammunition et. cet. and yet we can do it with our eyes closed.
I enlisted in 1979. The Deer Hunter was popular at that time. Depicted troubled soldiers, etc... Then Apocalypse Now came out, more of the same. (Post Vietnam). I retied in 2000. After 9/11 all military personnel were "Heroes". Many movies made about super soldiers etc... It all depends on the times and political climate.
In the early 90's I got two very good jobs through the RFEA, the forces employment charity. The local branch was run by an ex Colonel and a lot of the recruitment managers using the service were themselves ex forces. I'd recommend them to any ex forces bods.
I served from 1985-2009
I consider myself a civvy not a veteran
Who cares, really?
Not me!!!
Thank you Gary and well done you 👍
Exactly!
I've known a lot of vets over my working life and most of them seemed quite normal. Most.
As for work, I'm in tech now. Its 50/50. Either there is some respect, or they dont care/dont know/are hostile
General public likes veterans so long as they stand there and look pretty, but keep their mouths shut about politics or how experiences might inform political decisions
Thats my experience anyway
the view is directly tied to the success and well being of the government
I think that the whole reliability discipline able to think on your feet and clear thinking side of things should be attractive to employers.
My employer looks very favourably on ex forces folks, the director and assistant director in charge of my department (facilities/maintenance) are both ex army, Para Reg and REME respectively, obviously being a veteran doesn’t 100% guarantee there won’t be issues (absolutely anybody can cause an employer grief whether ex mob or civvie- that’s down to the individual) but a serviceman/woman will know about timekeeping, smart appearance, working under pressure, man management etc so have a huge amount to offer, any business that summarily dismisses someone as a potential employee just because they’re ex forces is missing a huge opportunity in my opinion.
Us veterans are judged on our individual merits, no assumptions are made based on service and nor should it be.
Regarding stereotyping of veterans on TV dramas, of course everything is sensationalised. They don't make dramas about ordinary normal people. that woud be boring. So the veteran has to be deranged/mentally unstable/criminal etc or there's no story. But as we all know, for every nutter there are hundreds of everyday people just getting on with it. Having said that, if your military career has mostly involved firing weapons etc, that sort of limits your civilian usefulness to some extent.
The thing is, if the media depicted veterans as all round good eggs, it would actually inspire ppl to join. Albeit with a serious H&S risk.
In the modern world whatever is on TV is obviously factual!
The public is largely unable to tell the difference anymore.
The internet has exacerbated this x 1000.
You retired and became an Internet sensation colonel
I found most civvies couldn't work as hard as ex forces people and still get to work next day clean and ready for more work , and even with a few gym sessions a week too just because we had more energy.
When I was younger employing an ex serviceman was seen as a positive thing, due to the influence of discipline, not so now due to the unfair influence of TV sadly.
The major problem with the Public is they are very ignorant of the military today.
A lot of this due to not only to the Armed Forces roughly half the size as in 1982, but up to the end of the 20th Century every European Nation, except U.K. and Ireland had National Service ( conscription)
Just ask most citizens the size of army, RN, RAF, and see how drastically they get it wrong.
I think you're right mate usually depicted as being troubled and probably on the bottle in dramas etc.
The thing is, military ppl are actually used to getting things done..
Civis aren't, they spend all day skiving & shirking.
Most civi managers are completely threatened by the shear capability of any military person!
98% of civis haven't done anything with their life.
However many Veterans struggle with the 'fluffy' non banter that isn't allowed in the 'workplace'.
You obviously never spent any time down the vehicle sheds in Germany if you don't believe military don't skive. 😉
@carlbaker6404 Ha ha, there is a time and a place ...
When you have customer orders to complete and stuff to get shipped, that your wages depend on, it is a 'bit' different.
I think most civilians prefer not to view us. Some people at my workplace know I am ex army, most don't. I don't shout about it but I also don't deny it.
1st like Western Australia 🔥
Look up a movie called "For Queen & Country" one of Denzel Washingtons first films he plays Rubin a Para Reg combat veteran Op Banner, Falklands who gets out and is about to get kicked out of the UK
I don't know why people get that impression??? Twitch twich slavvver grrrrrrh! Brrrrr😂
I have great respect for the training, skills and preparedness to defend the country. However the wars in the Middle East were nothing to do with us and I think it was a waste of life and resources. I was in the TA Paras 50 years ago and I was ready to fight but the wars my friends were subsequently sent to were negative.
If true this explains why I was applying for over 300 jobs a week, and that is no kidding, even though I had a much needed IT skillset that was supposed to be in short supply, that I did in my own time and out of my own pocket,
Your wrong kieth , TV drama from the likes of BBC ITV C4 isn’t just about making entertaining TV it’s made to push their agenda..
Good point
I haven't watched transmition television in my home for over twenty five years. Now and again I see the poison when I am at work in a rest room, or visiting friends. Go back and look at the television material produced in the 60s and 70s and compare it with the retardation and filth being pushed on the population today and you will understand where I am coming from.
I left with very transferable skills ex RE and had multi rejections from job applications . So I made a new CV and based it on working for the MOD rather than in the army and the gates opened. Funnily enough I ended up going to work for an Israeli international company most of the managers there were ex Israeli military, best move I ever made. The major excuse or reason for being rejected was lack of commercial experience but it was a BS reason.
I was in a short time and had to go to university to get work. My mate in 2 para went on to pmc work earning 90,000. Then did a lot of medical courses.
My uncle was a wo1 raf ww2 he found it difficult to obtain any work after raf hes serviced lancasters.
Roll on 50 plus yeads, i was marine engineer RN DID 13 years i found simular, to get any job after service .
But did get a job in the end, was told by agencies dont mention armed forces on cvs or interviews.
Militry get bad press kieth and its believed by civvies.
Veterans, especially those with leadership skills from units that do not have transferrable skills who thrive in an environment of order and discipline may find that the police service is a decent career.
As the army has moved on to recruit training at a foundation academy, would veterans not benefit from a demob police program, a building of a foundation using a hybrid, online and in-class curriculum to prepare for their next leg-up, a career in policing.?
It is getting better for service leavers now, there is still a long way to go. The CTP offer guidance for resettlement, there are also forces employment charities and organizations that can link SP. Resettlement starts from day one, a decent CoC will push this with the troops and encourage the lads/ladies to use their 'Learning Credits' for education and qualifications. Developing your troops also enhances your team outputs, making a better Army all round. The Army could do more to push for this, however I think it should also be a government responsibility to educate the public and employers regarding the skills that service leavers offer.
The Forces Employment Charity recommended I do 'surveys' as a job, not as in surveyor, but online surveys. What a load of utter rubbish (imho) I wouldn't bother picking the phone up to them.
@@carolineowen7846 that's not good, sorry to hear that.
@@timphillips2902 To say I feel somewhat 'insulted' is an utter £*££!%g understatement. Personally I wouldn't bother answering the phone to them, or even looking at their website. Although it has changed or outsourced or some other thing - which I'm not interested in tbh. But each to their own. It is up to the person to make their mind up.
Albeit my situation is probably a bit unusual ...
I have been chronically ill (cancer twice in 9 months) had to give up my job due to fatigue ... so can't do the long hours I used to. Struggling financially, I've worked too hard to get gov help, too young to get private & military pension, & I've got to survive long enough to get to my state pension. (I'll be lucky tbh - but up for the challenge) So it is what it is, I'm a slowly sinking ship. Home is bonkers, Arthur job everywhere. Have a broad skill set, using alot of it, where I can.
Been in worse situations, although this is long term - so very different, other situation was comparitively short term & I was fit enough to be able to graft my way out of it. Like eating eve meals only on days with a U in it, porridge only in the mornings the other days. Apple at lunch, slice of bread & peanut butter. Lots of other part time jobs, as well as my main job. Lasted 18months before I broke / exhaustion. Got out of it, just as well I did, or I would be living in a tent now.
If anyone thinks someone is gonna rock up & save them (or even actually help) imho they are very deluded, or they have struck a diamond, or have found a golden egg.
Sorry, if I sound very cynical, just my experience of life.
thats the woke,modern society we live in where teachers and bosses havnt fought for britain themselves. university braindead
Thats a bit easy to say a big chunk of them view us vets! Looking at us an dont give a toss/shit about us lot.!! But its just not true!! Bad news!! 😊😮 keep this up n rolling out mucker well done green on mucker 😊 that's what I did 4a few yrs is work on circus! Pmc! In the midal east!! N overseas!! Pay was pants. Have been on n off the circus page!! 😊
That would depend on if the civilian was actually British or one of the recent invaders!
with respect for me.
It not just British TV bad writing about Veterans it is America TV.
Hmm, I'm here to read the comments.
Very interesting subject
Personally I found it helpful with being ex forces on job interviews etc
I ended up doing an apprenticeship at the age of 31
Unfortunately, Great Plains USA, the vast majority of the ones that sign on here basically don't have any other choice. Can't afford any higher education nor trade school. Job prospects minimal. It was that way when I was in high school. 50s today.
Think it depends what job your doing for tbh,majority of older people are ok with veterans , but the woke brigade not very nice
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Why do you still wear parts of your uniform? It's like a milkman or train guard still wearing his hat.
Oh yeah, I suppose ii is, you're right