He's honestly better written than Optimus imo But yes both execution and transitions of both characters into what they eventually become is so perfectly good
Anyone who relates that D-16 was right by killing Sentinel, misses the whole point of the war between Autobots and Decepticons. Good vs. Evil. Orion believed in the heart of the people. Everyone cannot be pure from their heart, but everyone has the capacity to distinguish what is right and what is wrong and its their freedom to choose between them. He believed in sanctity of justice, like a democracy, and believed Sentinel should be punished according to law. While D-16 believed that laws were worthless and the man on the top of the mountain should decide what the law should be. Well, doesn't every monarch and tyrant believes in that philosophy. So anyone who beleives what he did was right, sir, you indirectly believe that Hitler was right too. Orion became Optimus Prime because his nobility was strong enough that even personal grudges were not able to diminish it. That's what made him worthy for the Matrix of Leadership. Congratulations guys, you are decepticons from your heart. You can say you are right, but for long term, as we see what Megatron becomes, you're all evil. Accept that too.
This is incorrect and relies on the slippery slope fallacy for support. While the Decepticons do have a general philosophy of 'might makes right' that isn't to say that they're without honor. The High Guard once served the Primes but were disillusioned due to Sentinel's reign. It's likely they never knew the depths of his deception before the events of the movie else they would have publicly called out his betrayal to rally the miners to their cause (especially with two premier tacticians like Soundwave and Shockwave as Starscream's left- and right-hand man). They witnessed Sentinel's capitulation to the Quintesson's along with the rest of Iacon, and I'm sure after seeing this, there were a number of future Autobots along with the future Decepticons who cheered the destruction of a false prophet.
@@IronDino the concept of honor changes with person to person and organisation to organisation. Yeah the High Guard did serve the primes once but even then you can speculate that their morals were already down while primes were in charge. Alpha Trion clearly stated that the war with Quintessons was a long and hefty one. It must have happened just because they were god like cybertronians, didn't gave them the privilege to just eradicate the opposition. The High Guard must have gone tired of their right and proper actions that's why we don't get any story related to the High Guard doing something to save them when Sentinel betrayed the primes. They came after Alpha Trion's message and just watched. They must have felt that the primes have bought it on themselves. On the concept of Starscream, his character has always been one of a greedy, caniving, and deeming himself the best among all. He must have felt that if he can just control the High Guard himself and take Sentinel out he would rule Iacon and whole Cybertron as a ruler. But he must have chewed his words when Sentinel became more powerful than he anticipated. Overall, my comment was not about the trajectory of decepticons as a faction. It was about why D-16 actions were not right. No doubt he has suffered a lot. Even in other iterations he was a gladiator who raised his voice against the differences between cybertronians elite and lower class. It's the method of overthrowing the top merits and himself being anointing as the righteous ruler, is questionable. Orion never believed in leading Cybertron. In every iteration he became a Prime because he wanted a planet governed for the people, by the people..much like Abe Lincoln. That was the concept while making the character of Optimus Prime. While Megatron's first catchphrase itself was "Peace through Tyranny. Rest is fodder."
I love the contrast about the fact that Megatron looks like he's risen but in reality fallen, by becoming a Monster who just killed his "Brother". Optimus looks like he's fallen but instead Rising up as a Hero, who will in the lay down his spark for others, so they can have a better future.
Yeah, nice speech defending Optimus who let Bumblebee slice up innocent bots only to then tell Megatron that Killing Sentinel is wrong. He killed dozens of Sentinel's soldiers but Megatron shouldn't kill Sentinel, Optimus Prime is a goddamn hypocrite in this movie. He was ten times better in the Bay Films.
What would have been interesting is Orion Pax reborn, as Optimus Prime, with no memory of his past friendship with D-16. Optimus would be dutiful and determined to defeat Megatron, as he would know him as such.
I love how almost Everyone went quiet on 6:10, this is just a great movie that causes such an impact. And I love it ❤
Not even a second without 9/11 reference bro 💀💀💀💀
Act 3 is CINEMA
Fax
We all knew d-16 would become megatron, but still, the way they did it was so good
Sometimes its the journey, not the destination
Even if you know the ending, a well told story goes a long way.
@@sibsart2039 indeed
He's honestly better written than Optimus imo
But yes both execution and transitions of both characters into what they eventually become is so perfectly good
Arise... Optimus Prime.
0:00 The train hit the WHAT?!?!
😂😂😂
I'm done Saving You 6:33
Anyone who relates that D-16 was right by killing Sentinel, misses the whole point of the war between Autobots and Decepticons. Good vs. Evil. Orion believed in the heart of the people. Everyone cannot be pure from their heart, but everyone has the capacity to distinguish what is right and what is wrong and its their freedom to choose between them. He believed in sanctity of justice, like a democracy, and believed Sentinel should be punished according to law. While D-16 believed that laws were worthless and the man on the top of the mountain should decide what the law should be. Well, doesn't every monarch and tyrant believes in that philosophy. So anyone who beleives what he did was right, sir, you indirectly believe that Hitler was right too. Orion became Optimus Prime because his nobility was strong enough that even personal grudges were not able to diminish it. That's what made him worthy for the Matrix of Leadership.
Congratulations guys, you are decepticons from your heart. You can say you are right, but for long term, as we see what Megatron becomes, you're all evil. Accept that too.
I would to sentinel be like. Leave him, let a fate decide to him.
This is incorrect and relies on the slippery slope fallacy for support. While the Decepticons do have a general philosophy of 'might makes right' that isn't to say that they're without honor. The High Guard once served the Primes but were disillusioned due to Sentinel's reign. It's likely they never knew the depths of his deception before the events of the movie else they would have publicly called out his betrayal to rally the miners to their cause (especially with two premier tacticians like Soundwave and Shockwave as Starscream's left- and right-hand man). They witnessed Sentinel's capitulation to the Quintesson's along with the rest of Iacon, and I'm sure after seeing this, there were a number of future Autobots along with the future Decepticons who cheered the destruction of a false prophet.
@@IronDino the concept of honor changes with person to person and organisation to organisation. Yeah the High Guard did serve the primes once but even then you can speculate that their morals were already down while primes were in charge. Alpha Trion clearly stated that the war with Quintessons was a long and hefty one. It must have happened just because they were god like cybertronians, didn't gave them the privilege to just eradicate the opposition. The High Guard must have gone tired of their right and proper actions that's why we don't get any story related to the High Guard doing something to save them when Sentinel betrayed the primes. They came after Alpha Trion's message and just watched. They must have felt that the primes have bought it on themselves. On the concept of Starscream, his character has always been one of a greedy, caniving, and deeming himself the best among all. He must have felt that if he can just control the High Guard himself and take Sentinel out he would rule Iacon and whole Cybertron as a ruler. But he must have chewed his words when Sentinel became more powerful than he anticipated.
Overall, my comment was not about the trajectory of decepticons as a faction. It was about why D-16 actions were not right. No doubt he has suffered a lot. Even in other iterations he was a gladiator who raised his voice against the differences between cybertronians elite and lower class. It's the method of overthrowing the top merits and himself being anointing as the righteous ruler, is questionable. Orion never believed in leading Cybertron. In every iteration he became a Prime because he wanted a planet governed for the people, by the people..much like Abe Lincoln. That was the concept while making the character of Optimus Prime.
While Megatron's first catchphrase itself was "Peace through Tyranny. Rest is fodder."
I love the contrast about the fact that Megatron looks like he's risen but in reality fallen, by becoming a Monster who just killed his "Brother". Optimus looks like he's fallen but instead Rising up as a Hero, who will in the lay down his spark for others, so they can have a better future.
Yeah, nice speech defending Optimus who let Bumblebee slice up innocent bots only to then tell Megatron that Killing Sentinel is wrong. He killed dozens of Sentinel's soldiers but Megatron shouldn't kill Sentinel, Optimus Prime is a goddamn hypocrite in this movie. He was ten times better in the Bay Films.
0:04 1986 jump
Its just so peak
"A second train has hit the tower"
Nah WTF 💀
Damn marketing for giving us trailers like this was a kid's movie. I missed it on the big screen because of their dumbassery.
the way everybody went OHHHH after orion got shot
What would have been interesting is Orion Pax reborn, as Optimus Prime, with no memory of his past friendship with D-16. Optimus would be dutiful and determined to defeat Megatron, as he would know him as such.
Tf one's 3rd act is the best piece of cinema in 2024
Top right peeps got zero media literacy lmao
Bro's couldn't make Batchee a little smaller or lower?
They're doing it to avoid copyright
If any non marvel charater was worthy it would be Optimus Prime
Do X-Men first class
why are there bleach cosplays ?! LIke we have TYBW Ichigo, Ichibei and Aizen.......
Kong vs skar king and shimu Godzilla and Kong the new empire 🙏🙏🙏
Already in this channel
Do the beginning of transformers one pls
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Do full movie of transformers one pls
Its in the description
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these guys all like 40. They just can't help them self but not act like children. Those views won't farm by themselves
You never had a childhood, did you?
@@jefelix2010 you're not slick with that
You must be fun at parties
@@infinitegaming1015 you must be very fun in general, young comedian
@@weed_houze thank you 😊