Fighting humanity is like seeing a group of people fighting one another, and you throw a rock into the group, and suddenly all eyes turn towards you and your realize the group is a family, and sure they were just beating each other up, but that’s because they are family and they can do that, you however can’t
“It seems you’ve made a mistake. You thought my friendly spat with my siblings was a war, in truth, it’s a way we show affection to those we trust. In our culture we have a phrase for what’s about to happen to you. Fuck around and find out.”
We willl war one another but if a treath would emerge to cause humanity to unite... We would fight till the dying breath of the last human or the last xenos.
"Yeah, I hate this guy! But you commited a terrible mistake: no one have the PERMISSION, the RIGHT, or the PRIVILEDGE to kill a Human, except ANOTHER HUMAN! And why, you ask? It is simple: Me against my brother. Me and my brother againt our uncle. We three against the world. Only WE can kill each other. Anyone who dare to meddle in our affairs will understand why only a Human can kill a Human."
"This is a private party... and your not invited" Yep, don't say a word, don't throw a rock or a piece of food in, because we always bite the hand that threw it
2.5 million years ago the genus homo arose aside from a s8ngle brief moment has been at war since that time. Althp7gh war seems to be a natural state for humanity all humans agree that that brief period of peace was the best Tuesday ever.
@@theonewholearns2711 nothing interesting happened on a single day ehh well pop the goddamn champagne and get the flowers cause holy shit that's a record
He's also the one who sent the Great White Fleet out on its diplomatic around the world cruise with only enough money for them to make it half way. When asked how he would get them back he basically stated that congress wouldn't have a choice but to bring them home.
@@shadowhunter0815 the council stepped in to stop humanity going ham with our entire nuclear arsenal and to explain to us why activating dormant relays is dangerous. The turians were actually quite insulted that a young race such as our own could hit them back as hard as we did. It was the Krogans who were impressed with humanity, that as small as our military was in comparison, we fought the Birds to a stalemate
@@shadowhunter0815 The turians were downright insulted that humanity dare adapt to a new threat and actually put up a comparative fight with *the* military race of the Council despite having only just reached the galactic stage. That’s why salt and racism over the First Contact War was a reciprocated phenomenon, to the point that a turian admitting to a lack thereof towards humans was a seemingly significant thing.
I mean, all nukes could be decommissioned and public records be deleted, but I doubt we would get rid of the knowledge to make such weapon, should the need arise of having it. Probably stored as secretly as possible. With that being said, very hardly you can delete such popular thing from the internet and people's minds. So yeah, pretty unrealistic
Considering that based on our current understanding of physics, you would basically have to know how to make a nuke in order to understand how to do FTL... yeah, that seems suspect.
Humans: We cherish peace with all our hearts. Aliens:😃 Humans: And we don't care how many men, women, and children we need to kill to get it. Aliens: 😨
Very nice. 8:18 I'm gonna guess Humanitys first message before the Homve invasion was "we come in peace", but after the Homve invasion, it became "Fuck off". "A people of peace, yet ready for war." Badass 💪😎👌
research vessel is detected: "Hello!" Research vessel disappears: "Awwww Nuts." Destroyer appears: "This doesn't look good" Mothership appears: "Alright I've had JUST about enough of this s**t" Human Motherships appear: "Time we had a little chat boyos."
We domesticated the silk moth 5000 years ago for sericulture. They lost their ability to fly, lack fear of predators, & have lost native color pigments since camouflage is not useful as they only live in captivity. They're entirely dependent on humans for survival, including finding a mate. When species can enslave an entire other species to the point of altering everything they were and everything they were meant to become, you don't want to mess with them.
Several HFY stories have the intelligent species evolving from either top predators or smart prey, making humans strange because we can't even take on a dog, all other things being equal (IE the human is unarmed and naked), but now we ARE an extinction event. "Predators that came from prey". Imagine a story where we are the only race that even has the concept of "pets". The aliens rage at their translators because "domesticated" is just coming out as human gibberish despite obviously not being a name. "That words, it's like... I dunno, we made friends with the animals?" "How can you make friends with a thing that can't even speak??" ... "Well yeah, if you annoy them they'll bite and scratch you..." "And yet you let them lay next to you while you sleep?? You trust a creature you can't even talk to with your life?"
Also: The captain's excitable puppy runs off the ship first, the alien dignitaries assume this thing is a "human" and the bipeds behind merely it's dumb servants and luggage-carriers.
@@worldcomicsreview354 well, we as mammals are still "smart prey", who developed the art of "yeeting rocks from tree" like apes, thereby becoming humans on a complicated, but relative straight movement for evolution. smart prey will realize, that killing your predators brings development etc. the actual accomplishments for a species to become space dwellers are a) not dying by climatic event influenced by unrestricted economical and population growth before leaving original planet (not fulfilled by us) b) not killing us ourself by conflict X (not fulfilled) c) getting the ability to travel over big distances of this galaxy (not even close to be fulfilled) d) finding a meaningful purpose to travell over this large distance. (easy to fill empty space. Why travel big distances to aliens, if you can develop Mars for some millenia) a lot of THESE issues are mentioned in "the forever war" by Joe Haldeman. ( i think this book hides a defeat of humanity against an alien species. it is kinda sad, that these military-fanbois, who wrote a lot of these stories lack the real intelligent knowledge about war, like in this book.)
I feel like humanity in HFY can be categorized in one of two ways: Firstly: *Planet is borderline inhospitable volcanic hellscape. Humanity: colonize spicy planet. Secondly: *Alien attacks humanity Humanity: So you have chosen- DEATH!
Honestly it's a nice refresher from all the sci-fi stories that are about humanity being the sitting ducks to some race that's a galactic horror. It's a concept of we evolved a little too well before we went out and explored.
@@BurakkuHishou It is basically a thing that cracks me up for anyone that reads ALL THE SCIENCE and not just prescribes to one type. Those who prescribe to one thing always assumes we will be the weakest thing or the most normal thing once we get to space faring proper. The problem is, on every planet that is within life support ranges...Earth really is unique as hell. Most planets have only a single uninterrupted plate, or two tectonic plates. Three is the highest count for the vast majority of life range planets. Earth has 15 tectonic plates! Our moon is far larger than a planet of our size should have as well. This causes our planet to have vastly different and changing weather conditions, as well as very extreme weather conditions. People point to Venus and it's acid rain. Yeah...but if you solve the acid problem all you are dealing with is a planet with Seattle's rain. It doesn't have super extreme weather conditions. Mars has a constant 100 mph wind...but the air is so thin it feels like maybe 5-10 mph to us. Unlike that movie, the harshest of wind storms on Mars wouldn't even make a human fight against it. If we terraform mars those winds would slow due to an increase in the density of the atmosphere as well. This is true for every exoplanet we have studied in depth. The planets are very 'tame' compared to Earth. They have one big thing to overcome and other than that are rather unthreatening. Also...all of them have weaker gravity! One of the reasons for Earth's gravity isn't just it's size, it is due to the iron core being so damn big. All the life on Earth is legit tough and robust. Dealing with everything Earth can throw at us does make us unique in this galaxy. The individuals that expect us to be the average or weak when we get space faring point at things like gas giants for the extremes of what is out there. Things don't live on gas giants...bacterial life we have found (and we HAVE found it) always appears on planets within the goldilocks zone. Most are typically Mars sized as well, which is legit half the size of Earth.
That's literally what happened I the novelization of Independence Day. The nuke successfully took down the ship's shields, and the aliens were getting ready to scramble fighters for a second attack, but one never came
@@reduandeapparently we do have directional EMP devices (EMP gun) designed and working, for testing emp hardness of things like cars, computers, comunication equipment and stuff like that. They are just the size of a small house.
There's actually a great r/HFY story to that effect -- invading xeno empire driven to frustration and eventually despair as each victory finds them increasingly ensnared in a web of legal red tape spun by humanity's lawyers. It's glorious.
@@WE_DONT_LIE It means the author has no grasp of physics. The nuclear bomb is a direct consequence of learning to manipulate atomic forces. The "if you get too much of this stuff excited all at once you blow up a city" thing needs to be understood, whether it is an intentional design goal or not.
What would make more sense to me is that the use of nukes would be illegal, but the humans wouldn't have known and used them anyway. Bombs aren't very subtle and they're very destructive. It's like using a shotgun in a hostage situation. Why destroy what you can use later? A military base, might need to be destroyed, sure, but what about the city next to it? The city has readily available labourers as well as an economy and most likely surrounding agricultural facilities that can all be captured and exploited. But not if you level everything within 100 miles of the base. Using a nuclear reactor to power an energy weapon for a more precise strike the only cripples the military capabilities of your enemy would be much better and it would avoid harming noncombatants, whether or not you intend to press them into an involuntary labour force afterward.
you cannot erase Nuclear Bomb mechanisms without losing on Nuclear Fission/Fusion reactors because they use the same chamisal reactions, meaning that humanity just lied about "decommissioning" that technology because it was such a scary tech. sadly, that's not even the scariest weapons we have... funnel mass from a star into an ion beam to fry biological, electronical and mechanical devices alike with no regard to armor or shield technology is still a viable option if you have a space-bound factory that can construct stuff in space(somewhat required for an operational fleet of starships). push a moon into a gravity sling to be launched back at mach 100 or some other dumb speed. make a bunch of mirrors around the sun to concentrate light with a "fuck that one thing in particular" though it's closer to a K2 tech(for long range planetary glassing and near light-speed transportation) a system wide version should be possible with current day technology given a space-bound factory and if you think for a second that we wouldn't just weaponize FTL you are hilariously wrong. FTL nukes are pretty much the first dumbest idea that doesn't even require knowing how FTL itself can be weaponized. just saying, don't be afraid of the nukes, humanity will make things that make nukes look puny in comparicon. and remember that a slug of metal at 0.1c has vastly more destructive energy when compared to an atomic bomb of the same mass, than realize we know that and are currently trying to figure out what happen when you hit someone with a nuke at 0.1c.
@@jmoneyjoshkinion4576 probably yes, enriched Uranium doesn't want to break apart all at once(Nuclear bomb) and would rather break over time(Elephant foot/Nuclear reactor) and you want to make sure ALL the force is used to "fuck everything in that general direction" so it needs the bomb part.
@@dimanarinull9122 I thought that there was one type that a "bullet" of uranium was "shot" into a core of plutonium (or vice versa I don't remember) to make a nuclear explosion.
The USA has experienced only 16 years of peace in it's history, that peace was not all at the same time either. Of known conflicts, the past 3000 years have known only 200 years of peace. This is assumed as we don't know of EVERY conflict! Humans are war-like in the extreme.
The big thing that stands out to me as being a bit of a stretch is the erasure of even the concepts of a nuke. If scientists during WW2 could and were working it out then, I find it hard to believe that centuries of advancement and jumps in power production could ever eliminate it as a concept not just from human understanding but that xeno sciences wouldn't know about it ether.
I agree, but only to a point. Harnessing the power of an atom, yes. As a bomb? ...why? It would make more sense, unless you had a specific application for munitions that could kill entire planets and destroy cities, to use an energy beam. Surgical strikes on strategic targets to merely cripple the martial functions of an opposing force would be much more economically wise, but a large bomb would destroy everything, including any useful resources that were nearby. So, if you instead have a reactor and some sort of energy weapon, you could melt bases and/or weapons to slag and in general glass anything you didn't need, but keep civilian populations out of harms way and preserve economic and agricultural functions for later exploitation.
I’m happy that there’s actual precedent to the "aliens show up and all earth’s nations unilaterally put aside their differences to fuck up the aliens" concept, which up until now was little more than wishful (albeit reasonable and logical) thinking.
@@antonberkbigler5759 Muslims did it to the Europeans (twice!) the results of the first and third crusades actually. While any other time they fought each other. Europe did it to Russia in old times too. The European countries of their period fighting and waring against one another. It has been done many more times, but those are the ones that came to mind immediately.
I laughed so hard when I realized (around when the hom'va sent the first fleet) how humanity took the hom'va out God bless *THE UNMATCHED POWER OF THE S U N*
The secret, such as it is a "secret" is that not only will Lithium 6 fuse, but the Lithium 7 is not inert, but will fission producing excess Tritium nuclei that will fuse with the available Deuterium, producing a bunch of extra neutrons of sufficient energy to thoroughly fission the "depleted" Uranium 238 tamper. Castle Bravo was supposed to be only 5 megatons in yield. Instead it was 15. A pipe meant to allow sensors to measure the radiation from the test had so much X-rays come through it, that the sensors and surrounding matter at the other end of the pipe were vaporized, producing a roughly 1 kiloton blast itself. Physicists at the test, and back at Los Alamos upon figuring out the bomb was three times more powerful than expected, had reactions that could be summed up as: "Oops. Isn't that interesting..."
Exactly. What people tend to forget is that while it isn't glamorous, each side having an 'I'm taking you out with me' button actually works very well in reducing the scale of conflict, though conflict will still continue. What most people call 'Mutually-Assured Destruction', I much more prefer to call 'Mutually-Armed Deterrence.'
@@Phyrior yeah, every time in the recent century a great achievement was done in warfare equipement, the creator mummered that overpraised and stupid idea like of "this weapon is so awful/destructive that man will be afraid of using it", tell that to dynamite, armored planes and chemical weapons, between other marvels of human violence. Nuclear bombs of all weapons gained that achievement to stop great wars since 1945... no big country is tempted of going against other big countries/allies of big countries when your nation could be wiped out of earth, same for others.
How anyone could invent faster than light travel before inventing the atom bomb baffles me, considering how obvious the idea is of replicating the power of the stars, and how simple fission bombs are. Other than than, this was a good read indeed.
You could make the argument that several races had different ways of discovering energy generation depending on the resources of their home planet and the traits of their species. If a alien species perceives reality through telepathy rather than the refraction of light to your optical nerves, you will see the world in a different manner and be able to identify different uses for things. Some might have skipped nuclear technology because they found a more efficient method for their respective environments. Other cases could be that the Galactic community gave them technology such as singularity or anti-matter reactors, etc. It’s still strange that no other race in the galaxy discovers the energy and use it as a weapon, but still you can work around the origin stories of each alien to make that sense.
@@emilioperez6888 The idea of a nuclear bomb is so simple once you discover particle physics, that it really isn't possible to *not* invent it before FTL travel.
What a satisfying saga HFY Reddit stories concluded with the perfect description that applies to enlightened mankind "A people of peace, Yet ready for war"
THIS is the story i've been wanting, seriusly how on earth (space?) are you supposed to shield against a nuke?? i need a movie about aliens getting a little too close to ICBM range and getting absolutely bodied
I always laugh when sci fi shows a shield holding up against a nuke. A shield is just ions...when a nuke goes off it will consume those ions to spread it's destruction!
1908 to 2016 so 108 years of losses, with not getting the pennant (getting to the finals/2nd place) for 71 years (1945). The (used to be) running joke of hell freezing over if they get the pennant, let alone winning.
I've never really pondered the idea that humans would be the freakishly strong species compared to other galactic beings. It opens so many doors for storytelling.
I will onlyl point out that if Earth had a higher gravity then most of the inhabited planets in the galaxy, then it would have more, not less air density and therefore more oxygen.
Humanity: [exists] Hom'va: [fails to genocide the Murder Apes] Humanity: [introduces the Hom'va to an absolute brick shit house of guns and armor they call a Battlestar]
Joke's on the Hom'va because humanity has these things called battlestars, which were totally fictitious nonexistent fantasy space aircraft carriers that were based on actual wet navy aircraft carriers. We like carriers so much we stick them into our space fiction, so when one shows up, we would just shrug our shoulders and say, "Cool, they have a battlestar, let's see how they work in real life."
Imagine being a species of alien, all you see is a Ship jump intro warp and hear on all signals, "We are Humanity. We come in peace, though are ready for war". Then immediately seeing on the screen next to you of an allied species just conquered by some Weird aliens with a dream.
Can't really erase the know-how to create a nuke unless you eliminate all the nuclear reactors too. I also don't see how the galactic community could have FTL and not have studied the method by which every star in the universe creates energy. Thus they should already have the knowledge to create fusion and fission bombs even if they haven't actually built one.
I am pretty sure that it's a saying of "we didn't actually decommission them, but we put them in a different shelf to be used for such occasions" way. Or they are just gaslighing the Galactic Council to believe that they really decommissioned the bombs.
You could make the argument that several races had different ways of discovering energy generation depending on the resources of their home planet and the traits of their species. If a alien species perceives reality through telepathy rather than the refraction of light to your optical nerves, you will see the world in a different manner and be able to identify different uses for things. Some might have skipped nuclear technology because they found a more efficient method for their respective environments. Other cases could be that the Galactic community gave them technology such as singularity or anti-matter reactors, etc. It’s still strange that no other race in the galaxy discovers the energy and use it as a weapon, but still you can work around the origin stories of each alien to make that sense.
meh, you cant put nuke back, too many pple know how it works esp since its pretty simple in theory, the execution is the hard part but that can be done through experimintation, see iran.
Fun fact: It's actually super easy to make nuclear bombs and the fact that space faring civilizations don't know how to make one is extremely unrealistic, assuming this is a universe extremely similar to our own. If you ignore that it's a good story tho
Fighting humanity is like seeing a group of people fighting one another, and you throw a rock into the group, and suddenly all eyes turn towards you and your realize the group is a family, and sure they were just beating each other up, but that’s because they are family and they can do that, you however can’t
“It seems you’ve made a mistake. You thought my friendly spat with my siblings was a war, in truth, it’s a way we show affection to those we trust. In our culture we have a phrase for what’s about to happen to you. Fuck around and find out.”
We willl war one another but if a treath would emerge to cause humanity to unite... We would fight till the dying breath of the last human or the last xenos.
"Yeah, I hate this guy! But you commited a terrible mistake: no one have the PERMISSION, the RIGHT, or the PRIVILEDGE to kill a Human, except ANOTHER HUMAN!
And why, you ask?
It is simple:
Me against my brother. Me and my brother againt our uncle. We three against the world.
Only WE can kill each other. Anyone who dare to meddle in our affairs will understand why only a Human can kill a Human."
me against my brother, the two of us against our cousin, the 3 of us against the world
"This is a private party... and your not invited"
Yep, don't say a word, don't throw a rock or a piece of food in, because we always bite the hand that threw it
Never poke the murder monkeys that have spent 4000-5000 years in nearly [if not fully] uninterrupted warfare.
2.5 million years ago the genus homo arose aside from a s8ngle brief moment has been at war since that time. Althp7gh war seems to be a natural state for humanity all humans agree that that brief period of peace was the best Tuesday ever.
Murder monkey made me laugh hard, thanks 😂
@@DrJekyll51yeah, and we aren't even Saiyans.
If I recall, there was one day where literally nothing interesting was documented. So that's at least one day!
@@theonewholearns2711 nothing interesting happened on a single day ehh well pop the goddamn champagne and get the flowers cause holy shit that's a record
As Teddy Roosevelt once said about International Diplomacy: Speak softly But carry a Big Stick.
He's also the one who sent the Great White Fleet out on its diplomatic around the world cruise with only enough money for them to make it half way. When asked how he would get them back he basically stated that congress wouldn't have a choice but to bring them home.
....some hand grenades are nice too....
@@Darth.Fluffy put them at the end of a big stick... 😉
@@knightaries13kind of a brilliant move considering it was his second term
@@aidenharper6013 I agree! 🤣
Hom'va: "We attacked humanity on some flimsy excuse and got totally hammered!"
Turians: "First time?"
Kilrathi: "First time?"
Turians weren't exactly hammered. It was a stalemate.
But that says a lot, considering their military was much larger than ours
@@phantomwraith1984 Weren't the Turians actually excited because humanity could give them a good fight only for the Council to step in?
@@shadowhunter0815 the council stepped in to stop humanity going ham with our entire nuclear arsenal and to explain to us why activating dormant relays is dangerous. The turians were actually quite insulted that a young race such as our own could hit them back as hard as we did.
It was the Krogans who were impressed with humanity, that as small as our military was in comparison, we fought the Birds to a stalemate
@@shadowhunter0815
The turians were downright insulted that humanity dare adapt to a new threat and actually put up a comparative fight with *the* military race of the Council despite having only just reached the galactic stage. That’s why salt and racism over the First Contact War was a reciprocated phenomenon, to the point that a turian admitting to a lack thereof towards humans was a seemingly significant thing.
"Nuclear weapons were deleted from all records and internet so no one knows how to make them"
Yeah, this is the most unreal part of this.
I mean, all nukes could be decommissioned and public records be deleted, but I doubt we would get rid of the knowledge to make such weapon, should the need arise of having it. Probably stored as secretly as possible. With that being said, very hardly you can delete such popular thing from the internet and people's minds. So yeah, pretty unrealistic
Key word is "make" i suppose. Even if people knew, it would be impossible to make it discretely.
@@manipulatortrash not with that attitude
@@crayonchomper1180 you go girl, go make those weapons I believe in you!
Considering that based on our current understanding of physics, you would basically have to know how to make a nuke in order to understand how to do FTL... yeah, that seems suspect.
Human: "we like peace...we really like peace"
Hom'va: "it has been kind of quiet since the war"
Humans: We cherish peace with all our hearts.
Aliens:😃
Humans: And we don't care how many men, women, and children we need to kill to get it.
Aliens: 😨
Human: 'You too huh? Tell you what, We've got a bunch of games to handle that longing. Ah! Here's one, we call it Stellaris...'
look, this race, looks like your species :D :D :D @@robertschumacher2707
@@robertschumacher2707 And here's an example of what are willing to do to avenge Earth: *40K and DOOM intensify*
Very nice.
8:18 I'm gonna guess Humanitys first message before the Homve invasion was "we come in peace", but after the Homve invasion, it became "Fuck off".
"A people of peace, yet ready for war."
Badass 💪😎👌
research vessel is detected: "Hello!"
Research vessel disappears: "Awwww Nuts."
Destroyer appears: "This doesn't look good"
Mothership appears: "Alright I've had JUST about enough of this s**t"
Human Motherships appear: "Time we had a little chat boyos."
carry a big stick
@@Chokah we talk first but we’ll throw fists when needed.
Soo litterally. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war.
😮
Better to be a warrior in the garden than a gardener in a war
I actually like this saying. 👍
"XOXO"
-Rome+Sparta 😉
As a former soldier, we appreciate the gardeners that show up to provide us food for our war.
Samwise will argue otherwise.
Give me Samwise over Boromir
I love it. That is truly the essence of humanity, we pray for peace, but we are ready for war.
Si vis pacem para bellum. We have this saying and it's sticking around.
@@eneram8846 Machiaveli, Von Clausewitz and Rommel are classics for a reason 🍻
Hello Roman
@@GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx Rommel wasn’t that good of a general
There is a Latin expression - Armas Togasque - Arms and Togas = ready for war or peace.
We domesticated the silk moth 5000 years ago for sericulture. They lost their ability to fly, lack fear of predators, & have lost native color pigments since camouflage is not useful as they only live in captivity. They're entirely dependent on humans for survival, including finding a mate.
When species can enslave an entire other species to the point of altering everything they were and everything they were meant to become, you don't want to mess with them.
Several HFY stories have the intelligent species evolving from either top predators or smart prey, making humans strange because we can't even take on a dog, all other things being equal (IE the human is unarmed and naked), but now we ARE an extinction event. "Predators that came from prey".
Imagine a story where we are the only race that even has the concept of "pets". The aliens rage at their translators because "domesticated" is just coming out as human gibberish despite obviously not being a name.
"That words, it's like... I dunno, we made friends with the animals?"
"How can you make friends with a thing that can't even speak??"
...
"Well yeah, if you annoy them they'll bite and scratch you..."
"And yet you let them lay next to you while you sleep?? You trust a creature you can't even talk to with your life?"
Also: The captain's excitable puppy runs off the ship first, the alien dignitaries assume this thing is a "human" and the bipeds behind merely it's dumb servants and luggage-carriers.
@@worldcomicsreview354 well, we as mammals are still "smart prey", who developed the art of "yeeting rocks from tree" like apes, thereby becoming humans on a complicated, but relative straight movement for evolution. smart prey will realize, that killing your predators brings development etc.
the actual accomplishments for a species to become space dwellers are
a) not dying by climatic event influenced by unrestricted economical and population growth before leaving original planet (not fulfilled by us)
b) not killing us ourself by conflict X (not fulfilled)
c) getting the ability to travel over big distances of this galaxy (not even close to be fulfilled)
d) finding a meaningful purpose to travell over this large distance. (easy to fill empty space. Why travel big distances to aliens, if you can develop Mars for some millenia)
a lot of THESE issues are mentioned in "the forever war" by Joe Haldeman. ( i think this book hides a defeat of humanity against an alien species. it is kinda sad, that these military-fanbois, who wrote a lot of these stories lack the real intelligent knowledge about war, like in this book.)
Is it just me or was this the plot of independence day told from the side of the aliens?
Yeah, especially the whole "sending one big mothership" part.
Yes, speccially after the 20 year stuff suspected the same
🤣🤣🤣
So whose idea was to leave them vulnerable to apple Mac's?
just you
I feel like humanity in HFY can be categorized in one of two ways:
Firstly:
*Planet is borderline inhospitable volcanic hellscape.
Humanity: colonize spicy planet.
Secondly:
*Alien attacks humanity
Humanity: So you have chosen- DEATH!
Why change what works so well?
Honestly it's a nice refresher from all the sci-fi stories that are about humanity being the sitting ducks to some race that's a galactic horror. It's a concept of we evolved a little too well before we went out and explored.
@@BurakkuHishou It is basically a thing that cracks me up for anyone that reads ALL THE SCIENCE and not just prescribes to one type. Those who prescribe to one thing always assumes we will be the weakest thing or the most normal thing once we get to space faring proper. The problem is, on every planet that is within life support ranges...Earth really is unique as hell. Most planets have only a single uninterrupted plate, or two tectonic plates. Three is the highest count for the vast majority of life range planets. Earth has 15 tectonic plates! Our moon is far larger than a planet of our size should have as well. This causes our planet to have vastly different and changing weather conditions, as well as very extreme weather conditions.
People point to Venus and it's acid rain. Yeah...but if you solve the acid problem all you are dealing with is a planet with Seattle's rain. It doesn't have super extreme weather conditions. Mars has a constant 100 mph wind...but the air is so thin it feels like maybe 5-10 mph to us. Unlike that movie, the harshest of wind storms on Mars wouldn't even make a human fight against it. If we terraform mars those winds would slow due to an increase in the density of the atmosphere as well. This is true for every exoplanet we have studied in depth. The planets are very 'tame' compared to Earth. They have one big thing to overcome and other than that are rather unthreatening. Also...all of them have weaker gravity! One of the reasons for Earth's gravity isn't just it's size, it is due to the iron core being so damn big.
All the life on Earth is legit tough and robust. Dealing with everything Earth can throw at us does make us unique in this galaxy. The individuals that expect us to be the average or weak when we get space faring point at things like gas giants for the extremes of what is out there. Things don't live on gas giants...bacterial life we have found (and we HAVE found it) always appears on planets within the goldilocks zone. Most are typically Mars sized as well, which is legit half the size of Earth.
You have forgotten *meets terrifying predator *
Human: imma boop that snoot
@@BurakkuHishouI always like the idea we are the galactic horror
Who knew using a nuke would fry alien sheild technology
That's literally what happened I the novelization of Independence Day. The nuke successfully took down the ship's shields, and the aliens were getting ready to scramble fighters for a second attack, but one never came
well Nukes do work as Crude EMP'S, so i guess that's plausible?
@@khnelli4918 Crude? Much like overkill and one of side effecs... Non intentional to boot. To my knowledge, we don't have even crude EMP weapon.
@@reduande that's what i meant
@@reduandeapparently we do have directional EMP devices (EMP gun) designed and working, for testing emp hardness of things like cars, computers, comunication equipment and stuff like that. They are just the size of a small house.
If the aliens want peace, there will be peace. If the humans want war, there won't be any aliens.
The only human they should fear the moat is a lawyer
Ok don’t you mean the most
Second soul Goodman momment
There's actually a great r/HFY story to that effect -- invading xeno empire driven to frustration and eventually despair as each victory finds them increasingly ensnared in a web of legal red tape spun by humanity's lawyers. It's glorious.
I feel like the last war humanity had with themselves was just them putting their demons back into their cages till next time
Galaxy peeps: Have faster-than-light space travel and ships the size of cities
Also galaxy peeps: "lol what are nukes?"
It means humanity has no self preservation
@@WE_DONT_LIE It means the author has no grasp of physics. The nuclear bomb is a direct consequence of learning to manipulate atomic forces. The "if you get too much of this stuff excited all at once you blow up a city" thing needs to be understood, whether it is an intentional design goal or not.
What would make more sense to me is that the use of nukes would be illegal, but the humans wouldn't have known and used them anyway. Bombs aren't very subtle and they're very destructive. It's like using a shotgun in a hostage situation. Why destroy what you can use later? A military base, might need to be destroyed, sure, but what about the city next to it? The city has readily available labourers as well as an economy and most likely surrounding agricultural facilities that can all be captured and exploited. But not if you level everything within 100 miles of the base. Using a nuclear reactor to power an energy weapon for a more precise strike the only cripples the military capabilities of your enemy would be much better and it would avoid harming noncombatants, whether or not you intend to press them into an involuntary labour force afterward.
you cannot erase Nuclear Bomb mechanisms without losing on Nuclear Fission/Fusion reactors because they use the same chamisal reactions, meaning that humanity just lied about "decommissioning" that technology because it was such a scary tech.
sadly, that's not even the scariest weapons we have... funnel mass from a star into an ion beam to fry biological, electronical and mechanical devices alike with no regard to armor or shield technology is still a viable option if you have a space-bound factory that can construct stuff in space(somewhat required for an operational fleet of starships).
push a moon into a gravity sling to be launched back at mach 100 or some other dumb speed.
make a bunch of mirrors around the sun to concentrate light with a "fuck that one thing in particular" though it's closer to a K2 tech(for long range planetary glassing and near light-speed transportation) a system wide version should be possible with current day technology given a space-bound factory
and if you think for a second that we wouldn't just weaponize FTL you are hilariously wrong.
FTL nukes are pretty much the first dumbest idea that doesn't even require knowing how FTL itself can be weaponized.
just saying, don't be afraid of the nukes, humanity will make things that make nukes look puny in comparicon.
and remember that a slug of metal at 0.1c has vastly more destructive energy when compared to an atomic bomb of the same mass, than realize we know that and are currently trying to figure out what happen when you hit someone with a nuke at 0.1c.
At that speed, do you even need the bomb part to make the nuke explode?
@@jmoneyjoshkinion4576 probably yes, enriched Uranium doesn't want to break apart all at once(Nuclear bomb) and would rather break over time(Elephant foot/Nuclear reactor) and you want to make sure ALL the force is used to "fuck everything in that general direction" so it needs the bomb part.
@@dimanarinull9122 I thought that there was one type that a "bullet" of uranium was "shot" into a core of plutonium (or vice versa I don't remember) to make a nuclear explosion.
@@jmoneyjoshkinion4576 I also don't remember but I said mechanism itself is MOST LIKELY required.
@@dimanarinull9122 I wasn't trying to argue with you about this, I was trying to see if you knew for sure (because I certainly am no expert).
"we don't want war, if you want war with humanity I promise some one else will raise your sons and daughters." Loose translation of humanity's message
Never give humanity a reason to go to war, we have lived through war for many generations and know the best way to conduct it.
The USA has experienced only 16 years of peace in it's history, that peace was not all at the same time either.
Of known conflicts, the past 3000 years have known only 200 years of peace. This is assumed as we don't know of EVERY conflict!
Humans are war-like in the extreme.
The big thing that stands out to me as being a bit of a stretch is the erasure of even the concepts of a nuke. If scientists during WW2 could and were working it out then, I find it hard to believe that centuries of advancement and jumps in power production could ever eliminate it as a concept not just from human understanding but that xeno sciences wouldn't know about it ether.
I agree, but only to a point. Harnessing the power of an atom, yes. As a bomb? ...why? It would make more sense, unless you had a specific application for munitions that could kill entire planets and destroy cities, to use an energy beam. Surgical strikes on strategic targets to merely cripple the martial functions of an opposing force would be much more economically wise, but a large bomb would destroy everything, including any useful resources that were nearby. So, if you instead have a reactor and some sort of energy weapon, you could melt bases and/or weapons to slag and in general glass anything you didn't need, but keep civilian populations out of harms way and preserve economic and agricultural functions for later exploitation.
im pretty sure that nuclear technology and the nuclear bomb is one of the most fundamental things to a lot of space travel
I disagree I think dys9n swarms creat8ng anti matter will be the go to for FTL.
@@julesmasseffectmusichow did autocorrect not catch those numbers? But yes I agree with you on that.
A good example of humans constantly fighting each other was the Greeks, when the Persians came they United to kick them out.
I’m happy that there’s actual precedent to the "aliens show up and all earth’s nations unilaterally put aside their differences to fuck up the aliens" concept, which up until now was little more than wishful (albeit reasonable and logical) thinking.
@@antonberkbigler5759 Muslims did it to the Europeans (twice!) the results of the first and third crusades actually. While any other time they fought each other.
Europe did it to Russia in old times too. The European countries of their period fighting and waring against one another.
It has been done many more times, but those are the ones that came to mind immediately.
" Si vis pacem, Parabellum"
Which translates into English as " _If you want peace, parboil them_ "
"If you want peace, prepare for war."
I couldn't help but snort at the parochial reference to the US Space Force as the grand, all-powerful destroyer of mighty alien warmongers.
I laughed so hard when I realized (around when the hom'va sent the first fleet) how humanity took the hom'va out
God bless *THE UNMATCHED POWER OF THE S U N*
Humanity is a people of Peace. A piece of you here, a piece of you there....
The secret, such as it is a "secret" is that not only will Lithium 6 fuse, but the Lithium 7 is not inert, but will fission producing excess Tritium nuclei that will fuse with the available Deuterium, producing a bunch of extra neutrons of sufficient energy to thoroughly fission the "depleted" Uranium 238 tamper.
Castle Bravo was supposed to be only 5 megatons in yield. Instead it was 15.
A pipe meant to allow sensors to measure the radiation from the test had so much X-rays come through it, that the sensors and surrounding matter at the other end of the pipe were vaporized, producing a roughly 1 kiloton blast itself.
Physicists at the test, and back at Los Alamos upon figuring out the bomb was three times more powerful than expected, had reactions that could be summed up as: "Oops. Isn't that interesting..."
No way the concept of nuclear weapons would just be erased.
Exactly. What people tend to forget is that while it isn't glamorous, each side having an 'I'm taking you out with me' button actually works very well in reducing the scale of conflict, though conflict will still continue.
What most people call 'Mutually-Assured Destruction', I much more prefer to call 'Mutually-Armed Deterrence.'
@@Phyrior yeah, every time in the recent century a great achievement was done in warfare equipement, the creator mummered that overpraised and stupid idea like of "this weapon is so awful/destructive that man will be afraid of using it", tell that to dynamite, armored planes and chemical weapons, between other marvels of human violence. Nuclear bombs of all weapons gained that achievement to stop great wars since 1945... no big country is tempted of going against other big countries/allies of big countries when your nation could be wiped out of earth, same for others.
How anyone could invent faster than light travel before inventing the atom bomb baffles me, considering how obvious the idea is of replicating the power of the stars, and how simple fission bombs are. Other than than, this was a good read indeed.
You could make the argument that several races had different ways of discovering energy generation depending on the resources of their home planet and the traits of their species.
If a alien species perceives reality through telepathy rather than the refraction of light to your optical nerves, you will see the world in a different manner and be able to identify different uses for things.
Some might have skipped nuclear technology because they found a more efficient method for their respective environments. Other cases could be that the Galactic community gave them technology such as singularity or anti-matter reactors, etc.
It’s still strange that no other race in the galaxy discovers the energy and use it as a weapon, but still you can work around the origin stories of each alien to make that sense.
@@emilioperez6888 The idea of a nuclear bomb is so simple once you discover particle physics, that it really isn't possible to *not* invent it before FTL travel.
How does one just delete all knowledge of nuclear weapons without removing pretty much all of nuclear physics with it
well maybe redaction of all files with nukes just leaving out the regular science
lying!
@@gabrielsfilms2086 nah that the politicians job
@@MTF.TAU5..Bob. I- I mean they prob were politicians who said that-
@@gabrielsfilms2086 true
What a satisfying saga HFY Reddit stories concluded with the perfect description that applies to enlightened mankind "A people of peace, Yet ready for war"
Humanity: DYNAMIC ENTRY!
THIS is the story i've been wanting, seriusly how on earth (space?) are you supposed to shield against a nuke?? i need a movie about aliens getting a little too close to ICBM range and getting absolutely bodied
I always laugh when sci fi shows a shield holding up against a nuke. A shield is just ions...when a nuke goes off it will consume those ions to spread it's destruction!
We will be the old one uncaring, indifferent to the trail and tribulations of the meat sack that is not us.
the expression "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (if you want peace, be prepared for war) has been proven true on numerous occasions throughout history
The thing with nukes, they aren't very advanced. If you got the resources, are good at math and know basic physics, you can make one.
Humanitarian is a word we made not a homosapian nature
I'm havig great difficulty decyphering the psychology of your sentence
We found the American.
Empathy isn't evil seppo.
For the algorithm and the narrator.
Me against my brother. Both of us against our cousins. All of us against the galaxy.
I was wondering if anyone remembered that saying 👍
As it was once said: Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.
I didn’t even get three minutes in. The suspension of disbelief was destroyed that quickly.
The "Galactic Community" of these stories probably wrote off the entire orion spur as barren wasteland
It’s all fun and games till the gloves come off and humanity comes together.
I for one would like to request the absolute dissolution of the Galactic Community.
Never been this early to a story
Me too
same here man
Ditto
Hello from the future to those of the past.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I let the un lead us into space.
The UN can't even unite on single subject, I doubt they will ever make anything other then more paperwork.
And how recently did the Cubs win the world series? After 100+ (127 I think) years? Hell is now solid.
1908 to 2016 so 108 years of losses, with not getting the pennant (getting to the finals/2nd place) for 71 years (1945). The (used to be) running joke of hell freezing over if they get the pennant, let alone winning.
I've never really pondered the idea that humans would be the freakishly strong species compared to other galactic beings. It opens so many doors for storytelling.
You can be "peaceful" only if you're capable of great violence.
Otherwise, you are "harmless".
I will onlyl point out that if Earth had a higher gravity then most of the inhabited planets in the galaxy, then it would have more, not less air density and therefore more oxygen.
More density means you can have less o2 available for the same supply to the lungs, I think?
2:27 Little fact, oil isn't mainly made from fauna, but from flora.
Do people really think that "Fossil Fuels" are really from "Dinosaur Bones"???
That's one of the sources, yeah......
but its literally called _fossil_ fuels, how couldnt it come from dinosaur bones at least??
Si vis PACEM, para bellum.
An excellent story of "Don't start nun, if you don't want some"
Peace mongers, unless you poke them with a stick.
They have awoken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.
Sir we got that human outpost good, we even sunk 5 of there battleships in there Docks, They never have a chance
Did they mistake our nukes for an actual fleet?
Never poke the creatures who were born to make weapons as it shall never end well
i am death the destroyer of worlds. :)
i also make cookies for everyone :D
*Humanity in Space*
Warriors in the garden...
Oh yeah we definitely ”got rid of all nukes” We definitely don’t have a fuck around and find out stockpile anywhere officer, no sir 😅
Guilliman:Has the Imperium considered to assimilate the T'au?
Sicarius:(into the fucking ground)
Sicarius: have you My lord?
Humanity: [exists]
Hom'va: [fails to genocide the Murder Apes]
Humanity: [introduces the Hom'va to an absolute brick shit house of guns and armor they call a Battlestar]
I refuse to believe humanity Wouldn't do what they did Germany
There are 8 billi9n humans who aren't American nor British. So sett8ng a puppy on fire for piddling itself on the carpet won't be a thing.
“Humanity decommissioned their weapons”
Are you absolutely, *absolutely* sure about that??
In the words of Theodore Roosevelt, “Speak softly, and carry a big stick “.
[documented contact]
Mumble and pack bang stick
@@seanrobert9661ker-chaak
Joke's on the Hom'va because humanity has these things called battlestars, which were totally fictitious nonexistent fantasy space aircraft carriers that were based on actual wet navy aircraft carriers. We like carriers so much we stick them into our space fiction, so when one shows up, we would just shrug our shoulders and say, "Cool, they have a battlestar, let's see how they work in real life."
i love these so much
"Si vis pacem, para bellum" the future creed of humanity.
decommissioning nukes in a galaxy of aliens without them? no way humanity would be willing to do that!
So did they round up and mind wipe the population as well? Or burn every book and personal computer on Earth 😂
Did anyone else think this was a "Job For a Deathworlder" interlude?
Never poke the murder monkey should be on a t-shirt
Thank you for the reading
Imagine being a species of alien, all you see is a Ship jump intro warp and hear on all signals, "We are Humanity. We come in peace, though are ready for war". Then immediately seeing on the screen next to you of an allied species just conquered by some Weird aliens with a dream.
Can't really erase the know-how to create a nuke unless you eliminate all the nuclear reactors too. I also don't see how the galactic community could have FTL and not have studied the method by which every star in the universe creates energy. Thus they should already have the knowledge to create fusion and fission bombs even if they haven't actually built one.
I am pretty sure that it's a saying of "we didn't actually decommission them, but we put them in a different shelf to be used for such occasions" way. Or they are just gaslighing the Galactic Council to believe that they really decommissioned the bombs.
Good one
I see the cold war stock pile has been shaved
Come on, you think spacefaring species don’t know how to knock a couple atoms together😂
Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
You could make the argument that several races had different ways of discovering energy generation depending on the resources of their home planet and the traits of their species.
If a alien species perceives reality through telepathy rather than the refraction of light to your optical nerves, you will see the world in a different manner and be able to identify different uses for things.
Some might have skipped nuclear technology because they found a more efficient method for their respective environments. Other cases could be that the Galactic community gave them technology such as singularity or anti-matter reactors, etc.
It’s still strange that no other race in the galaxy discovers the energy and use it as a weapon, but still you can work around the origin stories of each alien to make that sense.
Most unrealistic part is the US not taking advantage of a completely unconditional surrender
meh, you cant put nuke back, too many pple know how it works esp since its pretty simple in theory, the execution is the hard part but that can be done through experimintation, see iran.
This is early sci-fi. If only the Xenos scum understood how bad it was going to get.
11:23 Well that’s confusing. Humanity lost the space battle yet flew uncontested to enemy territory?
“Hello boys! I’m baaaaack!”
This spunds a lot like pacific scenario in WW2: thr Hom'va being the japanese and humanity being United States.
We humans can be friendly unless the aliens piss us off.
Fun fact: It's actually super easy to make nuclear bombs and the fact that space faring civilizations don't know how to make one is extremely unrealistic, assuming this is a universe extremely similar to our own. If you ignore that it's a good story tho
Yeah…we wouldn’t get rid of our nukes.
"WE COME IN PEACE, SHOT TO KILL, SHOT TO KILL"
This is WWII, in space.
Japan in the Hom'va.
U.S. is the Earth.
We speak softly
But carry a big stick
"Si vis pacem, para bellum."
"Secure peace by prepping for war." -JFK on cod bo1 map "five"
I don't get why so many HFY stories have all aliens living under planets with less gravity than Earth, most habitable planets have more gravity.
Best way to explain FAFO
Sic pacum parabellum
Alternate FA/FO: Friends Abided/Foes Obliterated.
the only thing that can defeat an intergalactic threat is the US defence budget