Milk-V Duo S - Dual Boot RISC-V or ARM with Dual Camera, Wi-Fi and RTOS Capabilities!
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⚡ Power Consumption (@ 5V)
WiFi + BT + eMMC Model:
Booting: Peaked 385mA (observed)
Idle: 165mA
With 2x Cameras (Duo Cam and OV5647) Idle: 224mA (+59mA)
Joined WiFi Network: 251mA (+27mA)
Installing `pip` packages: 270mA (+19mA)
Base Model (SD Card):
Idle: 167mA
All tested using buildroot image 1.1.1 from the repo below.
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11:18 I'm watching the whole video just for this moment
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the unofficial debian build for it is, surprisingly usable ™
Well of course, that's what happens when the amazing Fishwaldo puts it together! He's a great bloke that's been pretty key to a lot of SBC image development in the public forum
WTF? TPU, ARM, 2 RiscVs and an 8051. Where is the x86 and 6502!
and 6800 and SC/MP
Don't forget the Z80 and the obligatory PowerPC
You can make it emulate x86_64 using box64
Hahah, always on point!
any state-machines as well?
What I don't really get about this board is why have ARM & RISCV cores if you can only use one at once? Like why not make two separate SBCs at that point? I'm curious about programming the real time core with FreeRTOS though, whe need some more riscv microntrollers. Also, do both RISCV cores support the vector extension? And is it the full V1 of the spec?
yeah word was just about to ask the same thing
Hey yeah that kind of has everyone stumped. I am GUESSING that because RV64 is still in it's infancy a bit, people can use the ARM core with the RTOS core and 8051, and move across to RV64 when the software side is more mature... But given no ARM images, that also makes no sense.
These are C906 cores, so RVV 0.71 aka the THead extensions. Not quite RVV1.0, but works very well nonetheless.
Re the smaller core having vector extensions I am not too sure. Not too much is shown, and I don't recall pulling the CPUinfo from it previously. I cannot find exactly which C906 variants and which extensions each core has in any of the SG2000 or Duo documentation 😑
Just replied to the parent comment re this. Definitely a good question!
Yeah I thought this thing was so cool until I seen the boot selector switch. Doesn't really make much sense.
Yeah It's like Yellow sun or Red sun situation where user like me just need A sun.
Anyone who want to see what's the difference between Red and Yellow maybe?
I saw performance difference between ARM and RISC V was like 1% so for me nope😦
Great channel! I have a few of the MILK-V DUO S boards with eMMC. Please post if you can expand the eMMC partition
also just ordered the Sipeed LicheeRV Nano SG2002 board off of Aliexpress... matches the DUO 256 board specs in a tiny FF
Hey yeah the SD partition should auto expand, if not you can just do it with resize2fs then growpart.
Yeah I've got some Sipeed LicheeRV Nano's in stock too. Awesome little boards. The SG2002 is what's used in the Duo 256M though, not this - the Duo S uses the SG2000. Slightly different with more RAM, less TPU.
It should be easy to make your own POE board, using one of those POE modules. Given the form factor, that seems to be the way to go anyway if you want to use the IO ports for other things, otherwise their hat makes it hard to access the pins.
Yeah the POE board gives you the MIPI DSI output, audio jack, etc, which would be nice. They are a tad complex though - need the Radxa design to be opened up so I can copy and paste haha.
I actually really like this form factor for SBCs. I would love to see something more aimed at consumer use though. Perhaps a bit of a more traditional SoC, PoE, 2x USB, and a way to get a display out of it would be nice. I know I'm just making a wishlist here, but if I had to really wish for the moon, imagine a rearranged Pi 02W with a Pico strapped to it in this shape.
Yeah I think if they go a bit further than a devboard it'll be more consumer-oriented. This is almost what they did with the Milk-V Mars, but the Meles is meant to be what it hitting that point!
Blue led is shell script located in mnt-system-blink-dot-sh. Weird board, it's more like development platform meant to be used via cross-compiler, no distro, just kernel, good old SysV init and few utilities, often lightweight (busybox, dropbear ssh). I rewrote this blink-sh to assembly, cause why not, but I guess GPIO pins are more useful from RTOS core.
Ah bloody hell I thought I replied to this, but apparently not.
Yeah I leave blink.sh there, as I think the blue LED is a good heartbeat indicator.
Fair point though 😊
@@PlatimaTinkers Typical UA-cam. I'm sure I've seen your reply to my reply that was deleted. Make sure to add space after dot, if it looks like url, post is deleted/hidden in few seconds. It's great feature cause you cannot post file names, urls and I assume even something that looks like a code or piece of script gets banned. Among other reasons.
@@pavelperina7629 Hahah yeah what a pain. You'd expect that a comment by the bloody video creator would at least be allowed!
Blue led is shell script located in /mnt/system/blink dot sh. Weird board, it's more like development platform meant to be used via cross-compiler, no distro, just kernel, good old SysV init and few utilities, often lightweight (busybox, dropbear ssh). I rewrote this blink dot sh to assembly, cause why not, but I guess GPIO pins are more useful from RTOS core.
Yeah I leave it on as it's a good indicator to show when it's got power (on), booting (flickers from memory), and then OS (blink.sh).
You could be very right about it being a cross compiler. I think more than anything it's showing off the 5x core capabilities of the SOC, and doing a pretty good job.
Just needs a few more tweaks IMHO, but still very handy!
Hell yea milk that Milk content. I bought 10 but theyre shipping from China.
Hah nice! Enjoy mate
These are dead ringers for the NanoPi Neo boards. Somebody's been copying their neighbors homework on how to design things small.
Damn, right you are! So Radxa Rock Pi S, NanoPi Neo, and Milk-V Duo S are just SOC swaps? 😅 We'll probably see an RP2040 variant next!
😊😊e Been watching the very interesting videos, there is a possibility that you upload a video showing the configuration of this board in more detail by mounting the image
Hah cheers mate. What do you mean exactly though?
@@PlatimaTinkerslinux
@@jarsgames3631 Yes but your query, and even that additional bit of information, does not make sense to me sorry.
Maybe try re-phrasing your question or request?
I'm only here for that intro.
🤣
That's switchable cores sounds like kind of a flip. I think the chip was designed to use all cores, but it requires kind of bus arbitration that's not available in free software. So Milk-Vs are built as switchable as they don't have solution for that.
Yeah it's.... Odd. But as far as the Sophgo documentation goes, it appears to be designed that way. Maybe one day both? I doubt it though.
@@PlatimaTinkers there are other dual mcu risk/arm boards that can at least run simultaneously and communicate via serial.
Huge waste of silicon.
@@Zeloverevolution Oh really? Awesome, I'll have to go hunting!
@@MichaFita People seem to like it 🤷♂
pregunta una ves instalda la imagen en esta placa hay forma de accesder a los archivos del sistema por ftp???
Yes of course, use the SDK to build an image that includes something like vsftpd. Documentation here: milkv.io/docs/duo/getting-started/buildroot-sdk
@@PlatimaTinkersI followed everything it says and the same thing doesn't happen to me. FTP doesn't work for me on those images, it doesn't allow me to use ftp.
@@jarsgames3631 Did you build your own image, customise the busybox configuration to include ftpd, and then flash your SD card / eMMC / etc with that newly generated image?
Damn this would be sick if I could get hold of one.
Yeah they're out again I think. Arace might have one or two left. Prob another 4-8 weeks at their pace before I've got more.
Honestly though, Duo 256M. So far I nearly prefer it, and pretty much same SOC but 1TOPs TPU and only 256MB RAM.
@@PlatimaTinkers I'm gonna pick up a couple next week, thanks :)
@@Zeloverevolution Awesome to hear! I'm all out of Duo S's now, but I have Duo 64 and Duo 256 in stock still, and on special for this month. Else you can have a hunt online, I think Arace have some variants of Duo S left.
Not sure if you're in Australia, but free shipping on domestic orders over $100, else shipping to foreign countries can be a BIT expensive sometimes. Freight pricing in Australia sucks 😂
Salada form factor
Bingo!
Hoping these and the non-S ones go a lot further than the Ox64s currently do. Bouffalo just don't seem too interested in supporting sadly.
Hey hey fancy seeing you here! Yeah it's a shame about the dev speed of the BL808 SDK and related, but so far this one keeps moving forward. Time will tell!
@@PlatimaTinkers I do exist! Just been busy with so many other things. Will be keeping an eye on the MilkV series for sure
@@lookitsahorner Great stuff, hope all is otherwise going well!
I think the 1.09 version supports Arduino..I cold be wrong
Maybe but github.com/milkv-duo/duo-buildroot-sdk/releases says as at 1.1.1 - one week ago - Duo S still does not support Arduino.
We're all hoping and waiting!
Unfortunately no support coming from Armbian or DietPi
Give it time 😊
oi mait thats a cracka form facta blimey
The best thing about this comment is that directly under it, Google has put a "Translate to English" button 🤣
Can milk-v duo s run ubuntu?
Read the documentation or Google it. I'm not your personal information servant and this information is readily available.
I have not been able to boot from SD at all 🙃
Odd! What image? And what is on UART when you try?
@@PlatimaTinkers I haven't checked UART yet, I haven't got any working cables, I've been trying to just use the RNDIS, but just does not seem to show up at all in device manager.
I'm using an SD card on a non emmc board.
I've tried the latest official image, the image before that one, a community debian and community fedora.
I've tried both Rufus and balena.
I'll just have to get a new TTL serial cable to see what's going on I guess
@@kingyachan Is your USB cable data+power? I have derped before and used a power-only USB cable without realising!
@@PlatimaTinkers yeah I thought that at first and tried a couple cables but I might grab a fresh new cable that I definitely know does both
@@PlatimaTinkers but, even then the docs say the light should be flashing and it does not