Running AVX512 on zen 4 mobile drops the clockspeeds like a rock. I'd be curious if it presents any benefit at all. At least on intel 11th gen desktop it can mostly maintain over 4ghz, same with zen 4 desktop.
@@XiaOmegaX it supposedly improves performance by 35%. I'm just curious as to if that's true and how that affects power consumption since even without AVX512 these chips could probably still run most if not all RPCS3 games
I still really hope we get an oled Steam Deck in the future. SteamOS may not be able to play everything, but the user experience is incredible compared to Windows on a handheld. These windows handhelds also seem to be very inefficient at low TDP, which is a shame.
As someone who has a steam deck and is either getting the ally or legion go (will know on christmas) I would only consider getting something like this based on its switch like size alone. This would be an amazing travel companion. But The legion go and ally have much better perforance for a significantly lower price. I just cant justify getting something like this unless you already have other handhelds and are just looking for a small travel companion. And even then, none of the devices are pocketable so not really a whole lot of incentive for me personally, you'll still need to carry a bag around.
Legion go and ally don't have "much better performance" at all. Same chips. This even has more ram if you choose the 32gb option... in fact, I'm sure you'll find this outperforms them most of the time.
@@devinrobertson5251 Not only that, most of the time HD looks better at 5.5" rather than 7-8"; our brains do stupid things to "make things look better" and using 5.5" screen caters to that
I love this machine but the performance unknowns is killing me. My favorite handheld was the switch lite but hated the resolution and lcd. I have the deck lcd and ROG Ally but man I love this size. Put it in your pocket and go.
Neat and all but even the cheapest model of this is hundreds of dollars more than the lenovo and ROG Windows handhelds. I know ayoneo is a smaller company but when it was just the steam deck and them, they could get away with being the one handheld windows alternative sold at a premium. Now that they have some big corpo competition that can sell more powerful devices for less, I'm not sure where Ayoneo stand. Well, at least until ROG/Lenovo abandon their handhelds which is entirely likely since I don't think either of there's has sold that well.
@drawfull Not really if you know Ayaneos product line. For example, 2S is the standard product; geek 1S is the cost reduced version of 2S, meaning same performance with lower price; Air 1S is the light weight product line with same APU, but limiting watts; Kun is the premium product line again with same APU but with premium size and cooling to help boot watts and performance
Asus sold pretty well though? Im sure it's met expectations for the Z1 Extreme model. Thry also just had one of their biggest firmware updates recently that was really good. Wouldnt be surprised if they did a soft revision to fix the SD Card reader issue at some point either
There are way more reasons to pay the increase on this one than their other products. The OLED and small form factor is not something many manufacturers offer so there is a market now their other handhelds are definitely too overpriced in comparison to the Ally, Deck and Legion Go.
Most laptops still need thicc power bricks and a mouse and a controller (depending on the game). I used my ally on some flights, in a car, and in a hostel common area recently and it allowed me to leave my laptop at home. Was pretty sweet. If you mostly stay in, you might as well use a PC though.
@@deathtrooper2048 said noone ever. With proper optimization for a closer to the metal OS without the abstraction and clutter from WinBLOWS and its garbage DX API, Linux can provide much smoother and consistent framerates for games. Linux does what Windon't
@@dorian6021They flood the market with new overlapping models constantly. You will not get customer support on these outside of the immediate purchase time period. There are currently 11 different models currently for sale.
@@TwiztzThey continue supporting and upgrading Ayaspace, yeah. But its not getting the same support as even Asus is in regards to firmware Also as the other person said, their customer support is bad. Its so lax it feels like doing business with a random person deciding how he feels like assisting rather than an actual business. Also feel like Ayaneo intentionally makes handhelds that are 80%-90% of what a consumer would want, then they release a model the following year with some of those lacking hardware features, but then removing others. For example, most their devices are not using OLED or come in very specific colorways for each model. If you want an Ayaneo 1S in all white, too bad. Until the Ayaneo 1S+ comes out with White, a better battery, and a brighter OLED screen (speaking hypothetical, but that's essentially what theyve done to this point)
I'm sorry, but I've just got no appeal for a device like this. Want a powerful processor? Buy the Ally. Want OLED? Buy the new Deck. Beyond that, theres the Legion Go, second-hand LCD Deck, even a Switch. No need to overpay for a non-vrr, 60hz, Windows device.
Um, SD OLED is outdated as hell w/ most newer games. Not to mention, 16:10 is ass. Ally doesn't have OLED & also has slower ram. This is the best of both worlds & much smaller to boot.
@@OC.TINYYYIf it makes sense for you thats fine, but I really dont see many paying hundreds of dollars extra for slightly better ram, worse performance, and an OLED screen vs the best handheld LCD screen for these devices currently on thr market. I also wanted an Ayaneo 1s a few months ago, but all the games its capable of playing I can just play on Steam Deck OLED for half the price and better customer support. I wasn't even a big SD supporter, but this new iteration has undercut the market by a large margin now
Yeah, if your on a tight budget and all you care about is gaming, the steam deck or portal are good value for the money if you already own a PS5. But handheld devices from Aya, GPD, OneX and even the ROG Ally are targeting users looking for more premium device. You definitely pay for a better cpu and more/faster ram but you can do so much more with an Aya Neo device and other premium windows handhelds than you can do with a steam deck or PS portal.
I understand why you didn't but just wanna say I would love to see some RPCS3 on these chips considering they include AVX-512. Great video as always
Runs great on the Ally, no issues with the 7-8 games I've played.
Running AVX512 on zen 4 mobile drops the clockspeeds like a rock. I'd be curious if it presents any benefit at all. At least on intel 11th gen desktop it can mostly maintain over 4ghz, same with zen 4 desktop.
@@XiaOmegaX it supposedly improves performance by 35%. I'm just curious as to if that's true and how that affects power consumption since even without AVX512 these chips could probably still run most if not all RPCS3 games
An ally with a 120VRR OLED HDR screen would be nice. If they'd fix the SD card reader overheating issue.
Its already gone with the R8 and R9 revisions.
Considering Asus's push with OLED on monitors and especially on laptop lineups it does feel weird they didn't have an ally model with OLED by now.
I still really hope we get an oled Steam Deck in the future. SteamOS may not be able to play everything, but the user experience is incredible compared to Windows on a handheld.
These windows handhelds also seem to be very inefficient at low TDP, which is a shame.
Have you been living under a rock?
@@David-ki2xthe has lol
@@xBonafidexProdigy That or it's an automated bot comment 🤷
@MyLazySundae Shit it does wtf. Is it from another video?? Lol
Wait this needs an explanation. This has to be a glitch comment from another video leaking in.
Would love to see a follow up comparing this to the ROG ALLY Z1 Extreme w/the new update to it.
With the new ASUS ROG ALLY AMD update alot has changed
I hope we're entering the era of Rich soyface thumbnails
lmao theyre so stupid. bet the boys have fun with those, fully ironically.
Do any of these AyaNeo devices have a 720P OLED and the 7840U?
No. But you can always change the resolution to 720p using applications and such.
What is the name of background music?
How do you guys decide what head to use in the thumbnail?
As someone who has a steam deck and is either getting the ally or legion go (will know on christmas) I would only consider getting something like this based on its switch like size alone. This would be an amazing travel companion. But The legion go and ally have much better perforance for a significantly lower price. I just cant justify getting something like this unless you already have other handhelds and are just looking for a small travel companion. And even then, none of the devices are pocketable so not really a whole lot of incentive for me personally, you'll still need to carry a bag around.
The only benefit this has over the ally and legion is the OLED display which can be enough for a fair amount of people
Legion go and ally don't have "much better performance" at all. Same chips. This even has more ram if you choose the 32gb option... in fact, I'm sure you'll find this outperforms them most of the time.
@@devinrobertson5251 Not only that, most of the time HD looks better at 5.5" rather than 7-8"; our brains do stupid things to "make things look better" and using 5.5" screen caters to that
I love this machine but the performance unknowns is killing me. My favorite handheld was the switch lite but hated the resolution and lcd. I have the deck lcd and ROG Ally but man I love this size. Put it in your pocket and go.
Would of been nice to see some games like Far Cry 6 or Borderlands 3 and Final Fantasy 7
Fantastic
Neat and all but even the cheapest model of this is hundreds of dollars more than the lenovo and ROG Windows handhelds. I know ayoneo is a smaller company but when it was just the steam deck and them, they could get away with being the one handheld windows alternative sold at a premium. Now that they have some big corpo competition that can sell more powerful devices for less, I'm not sure where Ayoneo stand. Well, at least until ROG/Lenovo abandon their handhelds which is entirely likely since I don't think either of there's has sold that well.
It's not only that, anything you buy this week will be obsolete in their product line next week. Ask DF which to buy. They won't answer.
@drawfull Not really if you know Ayaneos product line.
For example, 2S is the standard product; geek 1S is the cost reduced version of 2S, meaning same performance with lower price; Air 1S is the light weight product line with same APU, but limiting watts; Kun is the premium product line again with same APU but with premium size and cooling to help boot watts and performance
Asus sold pretty well though? Im sure it's met expectations for the Z1 Extreme model. Thry also just had one of their biggest firmware updates recently that was really good. Wouldnt be surprised if they did a soft revision to fix the SD Card reader issue at some point either
Stopped the video at "720p with FSR 2 performance mode"
Thats just abysmal
Looks ok most of the time on a phone sized screen
Go grab you PSP, it surely has a better screen...
This channel which I love always shits on ROG Ally.
Ayaneo products are too overpriced, I don't understand why you would buy this over a rog ally with a similar processor
There are way more reasons to pay the increase on this one than their other products. The OLED and small form factor is not something many manufacturers offer so there is a market now their other handhelds are definitely too overpriced in comparison to the Ally, Deck and Legion Go.
DF need to say YAY or NAY to buying an Aya Neo in any form. I expect they are being paid for the love-in.
I think this is better. They show you what they have and you make final decisions.
Or maybe they just like it...? Smh. Not everything is a conspiracy
I don't really get the appeal of windows handheld. It's like playing a glorified laptop.
Most laptops still need thicc power bricks and a mouse and a controller (depending on the game). I used my ally on some flights, in a car, and in a hostel common area recently and it allowed me to leave my laptop at home. Was pretty sweet. If you mostly stay in, you might as well use a PC though.
Cause windows is better than Linux
@@deathtrooper2048 said noone ever. With proper optimization for a closer to the metal OS without the abstraction and clutter from WinBLOWS and its garbage DX API, Linux can provide much smoother and consistent framerates for games. Linux does what Windon't
Thats why i installed chimera OS on My Ayaneo (so it's now more of a mini steam deck)
Laptops are bulky and require a lot more space and a large power brick, there's absolutely no argument about that dude 🤦
Ayaneo is horrible
@@dorian6021They flood the market with new overlapping models constantly. You will not get customer support on these outside of the immediate purchase time period. There are currently 11 different models currently for sale.
@@dorian6021 Because the one you bought last week has a 'better' version this week. Every week.
@@drawfull do they even continue support Ayaneo's software? All these UMPC feels aging so badly compared to Steam Deck
Terrible customer support
@@TwiztzThey continue supporting and upgrading Ayaspace, yeah. But its not getting the same support as even Asus is in regards to firmware
Also as the other person said, their customer support is bad. Its so lax it feels like doing business with a random person deciding how he feels like assisting rather than an actual business.
Also feel like Ayaneo intentionally makes handhelds that are 80%-90% of what a consumer would want, then they release a model the following year with some of those lacking hardware features, but then removing others. For example, most their devices are not using OLED or come in very specific colorways for each model. If you want an Ayaneo 1S in all white, too bad. Until the Ayaneo 1S+ comes out with White, a better battery, and a brighter OLED screen (speaking hypothetical, but that's essentially what theyve done to this point)
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I'm sorry, but I've just got no appeal for a device like this. Want a powerful processor? Buy the Ally. Want OLED? Buy the new Deck. Beyond that, theres the Legion Go, second-hand LCD Deck, even a Switch. No need to overpay for a non-vrr, 60hz, Windows device.
Um, SD OLED is outdated as hell w/ most newer games. Not to mention, 16:10 is ass. Ally doesn't have OLED & also has slower ram.
This is the best of both worlds & much smaller to boot.
@@OC.TINYYYIf it makes sense for you thats fine, but I really dont see many paying hundreds of dollars extra for slightly better ram, worse performance, and an OLED screen vs the best handheld LCD screen for these devices currently on thr market.
I also wanted an Ayaneo 1s a few months ago, but all the games its capable of playing I can just play on Steam Deck OLED for half the price and better customer support. I wasn't even a big SD supporter, but this new iteration has undercut the market by a large margin now
@@OC.TINYYYi really like 16:10. What's wrong with it?
@@rannarharmaste9857Obviously he is just complaining for the sake of it. Why entertain him?
Dear Moslem thank you for sharing your little opinion
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$800 for worse than ps5 performance. No thanks, just give me a steamdeck or a ps5+portal
or buy a 7900xt and slowly buy more parts when they go on sale lmao
Yeah, if your on a tight budget and all you care about is gaming, the steam deck or portal are good value for the money if you already own a PS5. But handheld devices from Aya, GPD, OneX and even the ROG Ally are targeting users looking for more premium device. You definitely pay for a better cpu and more/faster ram but you can do so much more with an Aya Neo device and other premium windows handhelds than you can do with a steam deck or PS portal.