Your video essays are lucid, my young master. You are on to something here. Thank you, I have derived a lot from your videos. Respect from Bhutan 🇧🇹👏🏻🙌🙏
Magnificent video with an awesome introduction (I love your username, by the way). It’s a great insight that “the death of God” lead to a world of “nontime,” which is a world where each moment of time doesn’t connect with the next. As you note according to Han, time is now “point time,” which is to say it is “like data” and self-referential, failing to connect with anything more. We thus suffer a crisis of meaning, but I really like Han’s point that, counter to Baudrillard, it is not primarily a result of accelerationism, but that “the speeding up of everything” is simply an effect of “the loss of givens” Nietzsche lamented. There is also mass boredom, as you note, which suggests that we are aimless (we can’t really “accelerate” if we have nowhere to go, only run). I am a big fan of Philip Rieff, whose Triumph of the Therapeutic was very influential on me, and he along with Peter Berger and James Hunter all describe ways that we have lost “givens” today (due to “the death of a paradigm,” as Mr. Bard thinks of Nietzsche’s famous declaration). I really think Han’s analysis holds closer to their thinking then Baudrillard or most of the explanations we hear today, and I appreciate that greatly. I also really like how you got into the topic of leisure, which is absolute huge: Johannes A. Niederhauser is excellent on that, and he and I recently had a discussion on “Economics of Boredom,” which dove into that topic. The fate of leisure is tied to the fate of beauty, as you noted, and the fate of beauty is the fate of us. Great, great work! I’m looking forward to exploring more of your work!
@@telosbound Thank you for your kind response, and you’ve really inspired me to get a better grasp on his thinking. The thinkers I mentioned are all sociologists, and the loss of “belonging” is a topic I’m extremely interested in. Han clearly has important things to say on the subject, as you’ve brought to my attention. For that, I’m grateful and look forward to learning more.
He’s saying something so sad so beautifully. Im glad he isn’t famous because anyone who preaches unity tends to get disappeared. I’ve had this extremely strong thought to go build a farm. It permeates my everyday. The country life is calling me. It’s crazy cuz I’ve considered myself a city boy my whole life so this transformation is not my own.
This is Han's most radical idea. The sabbath is equivalent to contemplation. Also, the Feast of Booths is a formal rite of contemplation. Thanks for the vid, bro.
“The narrative rhythm of time.”This is an amazing concept. That said, it begs me to consider what is the story and how long have we been telling it. The presentation of this as if it was the natural state of human time seems incorrect. We are 200k year old species, surely we haven’t been telling the same story up until the death of the Christian god in Western Europe. So like every piece of literature, time has removed it from our collect consciousness and we come up with new stories right?
Thomas Merton/Fr Louis The Comtemplation of Beauty gives wings to the soul. Plato What is the relationship between the absence of Comtemplation and the presence of evil? asked Gabriel Marcel New Seeds of Comtemplation Dialogues with Silence. The Inner Experience The Assent to Truth The Birds of Appetite The Way of Chuang Tzu No Man is an Island The Seven Storey Mountain
Byung-Chun Han is an amazing philosopher. If only he snapped out of his devolution to the Christian cosmology and looked at what happened BEFORE--his philosophy would have been complete. It was the Church that killed God, not the enlightenment or modernity. It didn't just kill God---for centuries on end, the clergy persecuted people and entire nations for having a religion other than Christianity, or even a slightly different form of it. No, it wasn't Judeo-Christian God that created the notion of the flow of Time --how could an educated man even speak like that? Time has an endless *meaningful* narrative, the telos/knowledge in the non-monotheistic cosmology, especially for the non-Abrahamic traditions. Perhaps, Han should look into it? especially, when contemplating the rituals. He should read Terence Turner. And so should you. Then you will learn the true meaning of a ritual: the creations and recreation of the very structure of the social fabric, not just a way to "beautifully move/handle" religious objects around as priests do (from his other book).
Christianity is why we have a concept of human equality and natural rights, basically all those pagans believed that “the gods” were on their side and everyone else was practically worthless and they were justified in rape, pillaging, and enslaving their foes. I’m not saying Christians have always been perfect but the reason we even have standards to criticize unjust actions done by the Church is because of the standards the Church set for itself in the first place.
Very powerful and relevant topic. A bit late to this, but what other civilizations have you looked at for inspiration in these trying times? I look to the mystery schools in Ancient Egypt, the Earth magick of the Native Americans. There are many more that's why I ask.
Then one has to ask why God founded a Church that would kill Him. Narrative-wise wouldn't it make sense that modernity and the enlightenment as products, therefore children of the Church and of God and their children would try to kill God and the Church like what Zeus did to Chronos? Why would the Church solely be blamed for the persecution of others who are not with Her; where is the lament for those in the Church who are persecuted for not being with the beasts that roam in the wilderness? If Time would be meaningful, then there must be a reason for it to be as such. Just because Time has cyclic patterns within it does not mean Time itself is cyclic.
Friend, I understand, and would say this is a valid criticism. I frequently utilize the UA-cam feature in which one can slightly adjust the playback speed up or down to take notes accordingly. Regardless, with patience, I think this is a good primer for the work of an author that can sometimes be difficult for someone like me who is not super well read when it comes psychoanalytic/post-structuralist thought, and I feel that a lot of Trey’s more recent stuff is much better organized and more easily digestible. One can hope he’ll revisit The Scent of Time again in the near future. Hope you’re well!
I hope he will get recognise by the international audience. He relates so much on today's society
Han's work is so relevant today and I'm glad to have discovered him. I wish he was more well-known across the globe.
This is one of the best channels i've discovered this year. Just great stuff. Very stimulating.
Cheers, God Bless & stay frosty out there!
Great video! I read Han's "Psychopolitics" on my channel. Wasn't aware of this book. Thanks!
Your video essays are lucid, my young master. You are on to something here. Thank you, I have derived a lot from your videos. Respect from Bhutan 🇧🇹👏🏻🙌🙏
So so so glad to get a thorough explanation of this one. New enjoyer of your channel here.
This is exactly what Toriyama was trying to convey in Dragon Ball with kid Goku.
RIP to a man ahead of his time. Akira Toriyama.
I was not aware of Byung-Chul Han. Cool video, thank you. Reminds me of Mark Fisher
Magnificent video with an awesome introduction (I love your username, by the way). It’s a great insight that “the death of God” lead to a world of “nontime,” which is a world where each moment of time doesn’t connect with the next. As you note according to Han, time is now “point time,” which is to say it is “like data” and self-referential, failing to connect with anything more. We thus suffer a crisis of meaning, but I really like Han’s point that, counter to Baudrillard, it is not primarily a result of accelerationism, but that “the speeding up of everything” is simply an effect of “the loss of givens” Nietzsche lamented. There is also mass boredom, as you note, which suggests that we are aimless (we can’t really “accelerate” if we have nowhere to go, only run).
I am a big fan of Philip Rieff, whose Triumph of the Therapeutic was very influential on me, and he along with Peter Berger and James Hunter all describe ways that we have lost “givens” today (due to “the death of a paradigm,” as Mr. Bard thinks of Nietzsche’s famous declaration). I really think Han’s analysis holds closer to their thinking then Baudrillard or most of the explanations we hear today, and I appreciate that greatly. I also really like how you got into the topic of leisure, which is absolute huge: Johannes A. Niederhauser is excellent on that, and he and I recently had a discussion on “Economics of Boredom,” which dove into that topic. The fate of leisure is tied to the fate of beauty, as you noted, and the fate of beauty is the fate of us.
Great, great work! I’m looking forward to exploring more of your work!
@@telosbound Thank you for your kind response, and you’ve really inspired me to get a better grasp on his thinking. The thinkers I mentioned are all sociologists, and the loss of “belonging” is a topic I’m extremely interested in. Han clearly has important things to say on the subject, as you’ve brought to my attention. For that, I’m grateful and look forward to learning more.
Splendid video!
He’s saying something so sad so beautifully.
Im glad he isn’t famous because anyone who preaches unity tends to get disappeared.
I’ve had this extremely strong thought to go build a farm. It permeates my everyday. The country life is calling me. It’s crazy cuz I’ve considered myself a city boy my whole life so this transformation is not my own.
This is Han's most radical idea. The sabbath is equivalent to contemplation. Also, the Feast of Booths is a formal rite of contemplation. Thanks for the vid, bro.
Amazing topic
Hey not to he weird but I love you for sharing this. Excessively important information.
Thank you so much 🙏❤️
Art is one of the solution , in particular Andrei tarkovsky movies !
👍Good video
Thanks!
Hi! Would you say the scent of time is similar to that of a chestnut candle because ughhhh those are my favourite!!!!
I'm going to have to watch this a few times to understand what's going on lol
“The narrative rhythm of time.”This is an amazing concept. That said, it begs me to consider what is the story and how long have we been telling it. The presentation of this as if it was the natural state of human time seems incorrect.
We are 200k year old species, surely we haven’t been telling the same story up until the death of the Christian god in Western Europe. So like every piece of literature, time has removed it from our collect consciousness and we come up with new stories right?
Thomas Merton/Fr Louis
The Comtemplation of Beauty gives wings to the soul. Plato
What is the relationship between the absence of Comtemplation and the presence of evil? asked Gabriel Marcel
New Seeds of Comtemplation
Dialogues with Silence.
The Inner Experience
The Assent to Truth
The Birds of Appetite
The Way of Chuang Tzu
No Man is an Island
The Seven Storey Mountain
Active life in a contemplative lingering 🤔
Zen
Bergsonnian time is what time actually is , the spatial representation of time is useless
Byung-Chun Han is an amazing philosopher. If only he snapped out of his devolution to the Christian cosmology and looked at what happened BEFORE--his philosophy would have been complete. It was the Church that killed God, not the enlightenment or modernity. It didn't just kill God---for centuries on end, the clergy persecuted people and entire nations for having a religion other than Christianity, or even a slightly different form of it. No, it wasn't Judeo-Christian God that created the notion of the flow of Time --how could an educated man even speak like that? Time has an endless *meaningful* narrative, the telos/knowledge in the non-monotheistic cosmology, especially for the non-Abrahamic traditions. Perhaps, Han should look into it? especially, when contemplating the rituals. He should read Terence Turner. And so should you. Then you will learn the true meaning of a ritual: the creations and recreation of the very structure of the social fabric, not just a way to "beautifully move/handle" religious objects around as priests do (from his other book).
Christianity is why we have a concept of human equality and natural rights, basically all those pagans believed that “the gods” were on their side and everyone else was practically worthless and they were justified in rape, pillaging, and enslaving their foes. I’m not saying Christians have always been perfect but the reason we even have standards to criticize unjust actions done by the Church is because of the standards the Church set for itself in the first place.
Very powerful and relevant topic. A bit late to this, but what other civilizations have you looked at for inspiration in these trying times? I look to the mystery schools in Ancient Egypt, the Earth magick of the Native Americans. There are many more that's why I ask.
@@nickycocaine Read David Graeber, in particular, his last book, The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity
Then one has to ask why God founded a Church that would kill Him. Narrative-wise wouldn't it make sense that modernity and the enlightenment as products, therefore children of the Church and of God and their children would try to kill God and the Church like what Zeus did to Chronos?
Why would the Church solely be blamed for the persecution of others who are not with Her; where is the lament for those in the Church who are persecuted for not being with the beasts that roam in the wilderness?
If Time would be meaningful, then there must be a reason for it to be as such. Just because Time has cyclic patterns within it does not mean Time itself is cyclic.
Why should I listen to a person who has a short attention span?
@@telosbound Because those with short attention spans likely lack knowledge and wisdom.
@@telosbound Academics need long attention spans for scholarship
I wish the narrator could just slow it down. The presentation seems so rushed that it gets a little annoying to follow
Friend, I understand, and would say this is a valid criticism. I frequently utilize the UA-cam feature in which one can slightly adjust the playback speed up or down to take notes accordingly. Regardless, with patience, I think this is a good primer for the work of an author that can sometimes be difficult for someone like me who is not super well read when it comes psychoanalytic/post-structuralist thought, and I feel that a lot of Trey’s more recent stuff is much better organized and more easily digestible. One can hope he’ll revisit The Scent of Time again in the near future. Hope you’re well!