I had believed, rather naively as it turns out, that, being a 'tourist trail', there would be the occasional signpost pointing people in the right direction. But nothing. Another reason these videos have been such an eye-opener.
@@n1ense The girls' parents took this very trail (with a guide, obviously) just to see for themselves what their daughters had faced. That must have been a horrible day for them doing that. It also struck me how there was barely a hint of any wildlife at any point in any of these 4 videos. Perhaps they're nocturnal in the Panamanian jungle.
definitly! You can't compare this paths not all to european paths, they are are super safe and signs everywhere. That path here doesn't look at all where 2 foreign tourist girls should talk a walk! They walking for 2 or 3 hours in the middle of the jungle and no civilisation is near it. For sure you can get lost!
Спасибо большое за ваши видео! Очень было любопытно пройти этот путь с вами! Я представляла себе эту тропу совершенно по-другому. Все думают, что это широкая живописная тропа, в конце которой есть большая смотровая площадка. А на самом деле это тропа больше похожа на узкую траншею. Идти сложно, повсюду камни. Со всех сторон тебя окружают то скалы, то растительность. Очень неприятно находиться там. Если кого-нибудь там встретишь с недобрыми намерениями, то точно далеко не убежишь. В одиночку конечно там ходить нельзя, особенно девушкам в шортах и майках. И вообще что там делать?.. Там нет ничего интересного. Кажется очень странным, что девушки, проделав такой путь, решили пойти дальше от Мирадора. И шли ещё в течение целого часа до первого ручья. Что они хотели там увидеть? Тем более нужно было ещё возвращаться назад, а на это нужно было минимум три часа. Связи не было. Очень странное решение. Честно говоря, эта тропа вообще не стоит того, чтобы туда идти. Я сама любитель пеших прогулок и походов, но туда бы точно не пошла. Если за девушками кто-то следил, то они несомненно попались в ловушку. Сама эта тропа уже и есть ловушка. Вы сами что чувствовали, когда шли там в одиночестве? Наверняка не очень вам было комфортно..
(I used DeepL for the translation) Мне лично нравится этот путь. Я нахожу его очень красивым. Конечно, с учетом того, что произошло в 2014 году, это не просто еще одна тропа. Мой первый раз на этой тропе был довольно трогательным в 2019 году. На другой стороне горы я оставался весьма осторожным и настороженным. Теперь я хорошо знаю эту тропу и уверенно иду по ней, но в этом месте всегда будет особая аура.
Согласна с Вами. Много смотрела об этих девушках и вот сейчас,глядя это видео,не понимаю где и как там можно заблудиться,если не сходить с этой тропы? Если ч правильно понимаю,то дойдя до вершины горы,девушки не вернулись назад а пошли спускаться на другую сторону этой горы? Есть их фотографии возле какого-то водопада,но здесь на пути не видно никаких водопадов,кроме этой узкой каменистой тропы. Странно ,конечно,все это. Допустим,даже если одна подвернула ногу на этой тропе,то что мешало остаться на месте,а второй девушке быстренько спуститься вниз за помощью.Версий много разных,правду никто ,наверное,так и не узнает.Жаль наивных девушек,выросших ,по всей видимости,в тепличных условиях и не представляющих себе ,какую опасность могут таить джунгли в далекой ,чужой стране. Еще раз. Глядя этот ролик,ну никаких же нет трещин,ущелий,пропастей,куда можно свалиться .Ну ,как же так? Поневоле приходит на ум ,что без третьих лиц это не обошлось. Или действительно ушли с тропы куда-то не туда или стали жертвами "добрых" людей.
Gracias por mostrar el recorrido del sendero del pianista, a quien se le ocurriría pasearse por estos lugares inóspito sin haber investigado sobre la zona y que irresponsables las personas que estuvieron cerca de ellas por no advertir sobre el peligro inminente en el bosque
Вот досматриваю 4 часть уже 2023 год и для меня это супер экстремальная тропа ,а какая она была в 2014 кто его знает .Я думала там просторная тропа и на смотровую площадку можно быстро поднятся .Могу поверить что девушки дошли ,а когда спускались было уже темно и они попрасту заблудились .Там такие камни можно не только ногу сломать !
I keep thinking to myself that the girls may have left Boquete at around 12:00-1:00pm. To hike up to El Mirador, then to hike two or three hours down into this other side was like inviting disaster. There is just no way that they would have gone so far and expected to get back before night arrived. It is chilling to see how long and topographically challenging this jungle trail is in reality.
Голышом в такое путешествие в густой непроходимый лес со змеями и всякой другой живностью. Это безумие. Ещё такое длительное путешествие, не понятное : тропа или туда, или сюда. Каменистый путь. Ладно в сухую погоду и днём. А если дождь, да ещё ночью. Ну кто сказал, что нельзя заблудиться. Вся тропа непонятная и опасная. Каменистая, порой узкая между скал. Никого на всем пути, никого. А девочки могли повстречать недоброжелателя или злая стихия встала на их пути
Спасибо автору! Подъем сложный, много камней хотя и не мокрых. В уссурийской тайте также невероятно опасно. Даже вдоль дороги! Тигры, медведи, змеи, осы. Жаль девушек.
Romain C, how do you estimate the probability from 0 to 100 that the girls went further along the trail, thinking that they were going back along the trail? I mean, when they finally got to the observation deck, they lost concentration from emotion and exhaustion. After taking a photo, they decided to return, but they got confused and continued along the path. Thank you for the work done! Almost the only person who methodically obtains facts, and does not make ridiculous guesses for the sake of attracting attention.
Thank you ! "I mean, when they finally got to the observation deck, they lost concentration from emotion and exhaustion. After taking a photo, they decided to return, but they got confused and continued along the path." I would say 0. If it was a day with a lot of mist, it would have been a good explanation but here it's not the case.
Después de ver muchos videos observo que el camino es lindo (como aventura) y seguro, he visto muchos youtubers grabar y a ninguno se le cruzo siquiera una araña, lo que les sucedió no está relacionado con la naturaleza ni el camino si no con gente que planeo hacerles algo, eran demasiado bonitas e iban solas, en mi teoría esta implicado el guia.
Mette i brividi solo a vedere il sentiero figuriamoci queste povere ragazze a pensare che paura e sofferenza che anno avuto !!!! Dovevano cercare subito la notte stessa a cercare le ragazze non aspettare il tempo è prezzioso e dentro a una foresta così c'è da' aspettarsi di tutto!!! Ricerche fatte a male modo a parere mio !!! 🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤
What I see, is that "El Pianista" is not really a "trail", but a set of waterways, hence the shape (steps) and the name, because that's the bed of a temporarily dry waterway. If I was in a "trail" like that in a national park in Costa Rica, I would now that I am already lost (out of the tourist trails). Lo que veo es que "El Pianista" realmente no es un trillo, sino un conjunto de bajantes de agua, y de ahí el nombre y la forma de las "gradas". Si yo llegara a caminar por una vía así en un parque nacional de Costa Rica, sabría que estoy técnicamente perdido, fuera del trillo oficial.
Se siente algo raro,como dicen en mí país(mala vibra) yo no iría a ese lugar.Creo que si las chicas fueron no fueron solas.Eso es una trampa.Saludos desde Argentina.
It may be we'll never get an answer to this mystery but I'd love to know what a top-of-the-range behavioural psychologist made of it as I think the mindset of the 2 girls is perhaps the key to this. A possible take - they made it as far as Mirador but it was a LOT tougher than they expected. Relieved to get there, numerous happy photos are taken. There's then a 30 minute gap between those and the final 2 photos being taken. Those don't appear too cheery. It's possible that, during that gap, these 2 girls realised that getting down was going to be as tough, if not tougher, than the climb they've just undertaken. Kris had twisted an ankle and was wanting to rest a while before starting back. Hence Lisanne wandering off and being photographed from a distance by Kris. By now, both are both nervous about the trail back and both regretting coming in the first place. It may be that they argue, each blaming the other. But they're putting off the hike back though knowing perfectly well that they'll have to undertake it. So, eventually, off they go. And it all goes wrong. I had believed in foul play as the answer but these 4 videos showing just how dangerous this trail is have made me re-think. As for the backpack evidence and the state of the remains, I dunno. Jungle ecosystems have laws of their own and strange things can, and do, happen. I'm certain, though, that they didn't go any further than the end of this particular trail. Going further into the jungle makes no sense at all.
Going further into the jungle makes no sense at all, I agree with. After taking an already difficult trail and the girls not being experienced hikers I think (especially not in this environment), it wouldn't make sense to go further. They would also have been tired to some degree by then I would think. Also, it would take them so much longer into the trip and they were expected to be back for dinner at the place they were staying. Some people say the few remains that were found were bleached and did not look like natural decay for being out in the nature that long. I don't believe that. In central/south America there are cartels chopping bodies up with machetes and such but I don't believe they would go through the effort of using bleach and what not. Though it's always possible I guess, especially if there was a murderer not used to doing this and wanted to erase any evidence and go through the effort. What does strike me as odd is how their items and even remains were so displaced. Especially since there is no logical explanation to me why they would have gone so far/deep. For me it would seem only possible when it is being carried by a river/stream. But I did not see any big river or stream in these videos throughout the path (except maybe in the beginning close to the village). Another way would be by a large animal dragging their body but that seems unlikely in such terrain and I'm not even sure if there are large & dangerous animals in that area? Or if it was a murderer, he displaced all the parts. But why go through such effort? I doesn't seem easy to carry around a body or lots of items in such an environment just to get rid of them. But what doesn't make sense to me is that their backpack was found, perfectly intact and dry, with some of their clothing neatly folded. How do you explain that? Unless that information was incorrect. I've watched quite a few videos and many things suggest it was an accident but then other things suggest there was foul play (such as the dry backpack). I'm more inclined to believe it was an accident but some things just don't seem to support that. It is such a mystery what happened!
@@jazpes.u5875 To me that's what it sounded like or what people seem to be implying but I could be wrong of course. If it's not natural decay as they say but bleached, what does that mean exactly then?
for 40 days children were lost here in Brazil in the Amazon, a dense and closed forest but they were children who survived, I can't believe that adults with experience on trails would make mistakes that would lead to death, I would say that the probability of them dying in the forest was 10 %, the evidence that it was a crime points to 90%, there are no coincidences, it is clear that there is a third person, but you cannot control two young women alone, so there was more than one killer.
@@blabla20202not a thing happened at night. They climbed up in the day 1pm roughly was the summit. What night? They could have turned back at any time and had time to return. Those girls were slain and no one wants to talk. Simple as that. Those people know what happened and refuse to speak. The only 2 who probably could have said anything was conveniently slain as well not too long after.
That's very different. I read about that. Those stranded children were children of natives and had been taught many survival skills by their family which is a strong reason they survived. If they had been city children who only knew their way around a phone or tablet, who knows if they would have survived in the same circumstance.
Coucou Romain. Je te suis sur le blog de Camille et je te félicite pour la qualité de ton travail et ton investissement. Il est très intéressant de voir à quoi ressemble ce sentier dont on a tant parlé.
Excelente trabajo queria conocer el recorrido de kris y lisanne realmente fue una trampa mortal para esos dos angelitos .la verdad se tiene que saber ..
@@ih8brusselssprouts Actually I'm not sure this was the exact trail as it starts I believe at the Café Princesa Janca Restaurant in Boquete, Panama. The trail the two girls went on was not too far away though and went to the top of Volcán Barú, also in Boquete, Panama. It doesn't sound too safe in that area anyway unless you are in a group or with known familiar locals.
Sempre vejo qualquer video ou documentario referente a este caso intrigante, fico pensando no que pode ter acontecido, queria muito fazer essa trilha, claro que acompanhada de varias pessoas e de um guia
osea que las chicas..(.por lo q tengo entendido ) llegaron hacia el lugar el mirador , que es esa cima..pero despues siguieron? de ahi en adelante son las fotos donde kris se la ve sola ? con las dos botellas de agua? no tiene sentido..que hagan todo ese viaje pero que en lugar de volver , decidan seguir, sabiendo q no tenian mucha comida, ni agua..no tiene sentido
Fueron ingenuas y confiadas, pero por todos los videos que ví, entiendo también que ellas querían conocer el sendero pianista, y luego regresar.Fueron vestidas y practicamente sin provisiones, para pasar unas horas y registrar fotos de los paisajes.Chicas inteligentes pero sin conocimiento del lugar, entonces cómo ingresarían solas al bosque, sabiendo que llegada la tardecita noche, iban a correr peligro? Me queda claro que fueron obligadas y el horror de lo que susedió....no tiene nombre!!
У памятника есть сотовая связь? В каком месте пропадает связь? Если она есть то скорее всего девушки пошли дальше. Много изменилось за это время новые сотовые вышки и так далее,но все же интересно
The two girls didn't have an accident, they didn't get lost either! It was cold blood murder! I don't want to know who's in on it! In any case, the fact is that they were killed, the only question is why!!! The climb is very difficult and dangerous, the girls should never have done it alone! Correct video, thanks for uploading! 👍 (sorry for my bad english, i speak this Language not so good)! 🙈 R.I.P. Kris and Lisanne 🙏🕯🕊
They were absolutely slain. But if you try to ring up Osman or the other guy (since they were the last ones with them), you would be out of luck because they were slain as well. And the jungle folks lips are sealed.
Cada vez que miro los videos, tengo la sensación, que las chicas no decidieron lo hicieron por ellas.Eran formadas e inteligentes, como irían así vestidas con remeras y shorts, a escalar estos senderos pudiéndose lastimar con espinas piedras o caerse ? sin provisiones sin alimentos, sabiendo que pronto caería la tardecita noche.Parecían ingenuas y confiadas, pero no eran tontas.Todo parece indicar que fueron arrebatadas y/o extorsionadas, sus celulares y camara de fotos, fueron manipulados, porque es muy raro lo que se puede ver.Y aún sabiendo que no hay señal para comunicarse, es todo un montaje de este o estos asesinos...
Da miedo ir ahy Muchos Caníbales humanos y salvajes Animales Carnívoros esas muchachas que Dios las tenga en la gloria y el descanso Solo Dios sabe que les pasó que dios las lleve descansar las albertencias son importantes más cuando no conoces lugares peligrosos le faltó más orientación pero Nadien está por. NADIEN solo las maldades el peligro 🇻🇪
Se que no me lo preguntas a mi pero te respondo: No. El lugar donde transitan inmigrantes es el tapón/selva del Darien, frontera de Panama con Colombia, sitio bastante peligroso, por grupos armados irregulares, carteles de narcotrafico ... Ademas es una selva muy densa y aqui si hay felinos como jaguares; creo que por esto algunas personas confunden un tanto la flora y fauna del Darien con la de Boquete que esta mas fronteriza con Costa Rica.
No, no tiene sentido un emigrante recorrer Panamá de Oriente a Occidente, lo haría de sur a norte con dirección a costa rica.estos senderos por lo que veo sobre el terreno en los vídeos son senderos que fácilmente pueden tener más de 100 años, primero utilizados sólo por indios ; y luego por colonos y un que otro traqueto.
Hi Romain, thanks for sharing all the videos of your trip so far. I'm guessing this is your second time hiking this trail, so you are quite familiar with the route? Did you redo this trail a third time or is this it? Also did you record the iPhone and Samsung phone connections to get an idea of how they perform in your backpack while you went on this trail? Any reason why Matt didn't go with you guys? His work on the case is amazing as well as yours and Chris's. Good job. And I look forward to seeing more of your experiences from this trip. Cheers!
Thank you very much! Actually, on that video, it was my third time. 2 in 2019: the first one being a failure because I ended up going the wrong way by taking the wrong direction at the split before the first river crossing (you can see it on El Pianista Part 2) : the second one, I went further than the Mirador. In 2021, I think I went like 7 times in total (including the 2 expeditions, but also several day trip to do some additional explorations). For the phone, it's only work until you are a bit into the forest area. Then it works again when you arrive at the Mirador. Matt couldn't come because he didn't have the occasion to come because of his job. Chris had the occasion to take some holidays, so he had the opportunity to come. And me, being a student, I had the summer to go.
@@Romain_C Wow! So you've hiked the trail 7 times! You're probably qualified to take over from Feliciano as the new guide of the Mountain! 🙂 Thanks for the rest of the information. I look forward to seeing more of your experiences and learning from this last trip. Thanks Romain!
Did you feel it would be possible to get lost coming down? You mention you hiked the wrong way on the way up, some I'm wondering if there are any moments coming down where the path splits or it's unclear which way to go.
@@georgeholloway3981 I'm wondering this as well. It looks like on the way up there are a few occasions where you can take the wrong path but coming down, not so much I think? I think this because when a path splits up (on the way up), it splits in V shape so when you're coming down that would mean you're going in a backwards direction which no one would take unless deliberately.
Salut Romain ! Je sais que ce n’est pas vraiment le lieu pour discuter des circonstances de la disparition de kris et lysanne mais j’ai une théorie qui me trotte dans la tête depuis un certain temps, concernant la photo du crâne de Kris prise de nuit......en essayant de me mettre à leur place, je me suis demandé si une (rare car dangereuse...) recherche de nuit par hélicoptère avait été effectuée dans le creneau horaire de la prise de la photo....car moi, dans leur situation, en m’imaginant à leur place, j’aurais flashé la chevelure rousse de Kris, pour faire comme une balise orangée plus facilement décelable de l’hélicoptère....parfois la solution la plus simple est la bonne, non ??.....
Salut ! Honnêtement, je ne pense pas du tout. Kris s'est peut-être juste tenue devant la caméra par hasard. Pour les hélicoptères, on m'a confirmé que ceux-ci n'étaient pas utilisés de nuit.
Thanks ! In the area after the Mirador, I spent 5 days (with a french military man and a friend from US) + 3 days to go to Chiriqui Grande (it's another province on the caribbean side) with 3 guides.
porque nadie hace un video largo mas allá del mirador, solo una persona se adentro mas allá de donde esta la cruz de las chicas, llego a la quebrada pero camino un poco mas y no se adentro mas. todos los videos son muy repetitivos del mismo ascenso hasta el mirador y las chicas tuvieron los problemas mas allá de la quebrada que fue donde se tomaron la ultima foto visible. alguien debería grabar mas allá de la quebrada. creo todos queremos entender que fue lo que les sucedió a Kris y Lisanne pobrecitas ellas un día de caminata bonito se convirtió en pesadilla.
He filmado hasta el primer puente de los monos.... Todavía no he publicado todo, pero ya hay vídeos hasta las barreras. Solo tienes que hacer clic en el canal de youtube....
Yo me aseguro q si yo hubiera estado para el tiempo q se desapareció al mismo día fueran encontrada , no habría ninguna duda , eso era bueno tener unas bocinas grande y perro y si no habría perro en el momento , con q la bocina se escuchara duro ,!fuera suficiente porque si ella la escuchaba iban a ir hacia el sonido , esa niña están muerta porque Panama le falló las fiscal hizo un libro y no creo q ella sea la persona para adecuada para eso
Dude this trail is creepy and you can get lost easily. You go off the trail to pee and you can fall or take some wrong turn. I don't know why their parents said it was an easy trail. Maybe because they wanted to justify the poor decision of their daughters
I agree with you! Despite what some people say, it looks like it's very easy to get lost, and those "quebradas" look like real traps to me. You could easily get ambushed😳😢
I don't see 2 heathy fit women just falling off like the elderly when they lose their balance. Agreed to the quebradas. They didn't fall anywhere. Those girls were slain. And that jungle knows about it and are in fear of running their mouths so they stay quiet like a church mouse while the parents suffer in pain and turmoil.
I had believed, rather naively as it turns out, that, being a 'tourist trail', there would be the occasional signpost pointing people in the right direction. But nothing. Another reason these videos have been such an eye-opener.
Yeah, there were multiple splits where it was impossible to know the right way. They could have easily get lost, especially on the way back.
@@n1ense The girls' parents took this very trail (with a guide, obviously) just to see for themselves what their daughters had faced. That must have been a horrible day for them doing that. It also struck me how there was barely a hint of any wildlife at any point in any of these 4 videos. Perhaps they're nocturnal in the Panamanian jungle.
Эта тропа не входит в официальный маршрут для туристов... Если б это было , то девушки остались в живых...
definitly! You can't compare this paths not all to european paths, they are are super safe and signs everywhere. That path here doesn't look at all where 2 foreign tourist girls should talk a walk! They walking for 2 or 3 hours in the middle of the jungle and no civilisation is near it. For sure you can get lost!
Спасибо большое за ваши видео! Очень было любопытно пройти этот путь с вами! Я представляла себе эту тропу совершенно по-другому. Все думают, что это широкая живописная тропа, в конце которой есть большая смотровая площадка. А на самом деле это тропа больше похожа на узкую траншею. Идти сложно, повсюду камни. Со всех сторон тебя окружают то скалы, то растительность. Очень неприятно находиться там. Если кого-нибудь там встретишь с недобрыми намерениями, то точно далеко не убежишь. В одиночку конечно там ходить нельзя, особенно девушкам в шортах и майках. И вообще что там делать?.. Там нет ничего интересного. Кажется очень странным, что девушки, проделав такой путь, решили пойти дальше от Мирадора. И шли ещё в течение целого часа до первого ручья. Что они хотели там увидеть? Тем более нужно было ещё возвращаться назад, а на это нужно было минимум три часа. Связи не было. Очень странное решение. Честно говоря, эта тропа вообще не стоит того, чтобы туда идти. Я сама любитель пеших прогулок и походов, но туда бы точно не пошла.
Если за девушками кто-то следил, то они несомненно попались в ловушку. Сама эта тропа уже и есть ловушка.
Вы сами что чувствовали, когда шли там в одиночестве? Наверняка не очень вам было комфортно..
(I used DeepL for the translation) Мне лично нравится этот путь. Я нахожу его очень красивым. Конечно, с учетом того, что произошло в 2014 году, это не просто еще одна тропа. Мой первый раз на этой тропе был довольно трогательным в 2019 году. На другой стороне горы я оставался весьма осторожным и настороженным. Теперь я хорошо знаю эту тропу и уверенно иду по ней, но в этом месте всегда будет особая аура.
Согласна с Вами. Много смотрела об этих девушках и вот сейчас,глядя это видео,не понимаю где и как там можно заблудиться,если не сходить с этой тропы? Если ч правильно понимаю,то дойдя до вершины горы,девушки не вернулись назад а пошли спускаться на другую сторону этой горы? Есть их фотографии возле какого-то водопада,но здесь на пути не видно никаких водопадов,кроме этой узкой каменистой тропы. Странно ,конечно,все это. Допустим,даже если одна подвернула ногу на этой тропе,то что мешало остаться на месте,а второй девушке быстренько спуститься вниз за помощью.Версий много разных,правду никто ,наверное,так и не узнает.Жаль наивных девушек,выросших ,по всей видимости,в тепличных условиях и не представляющих себе ,какую опасность могут таить джунгли в далекой ,чужой стране. Еще раз. Глядя этот ролик,ну никаких же нет трещин,ущелий,пропастей,куда можно свалиться .Ну ,как же так? Поневоле приходит на ум ,что без третьих лиц это не обошлось. Или действительно ушли с тропы куда-то не туда или стали жертвами "добрых" людей.
He says his not walking alone his with at least 2 other people I agree with what you said!!!!
@@alisek4441 ,да,согласна.
@@user-ec6rc2iz1j 2.🤔
Gracias por mostrar el recorrido del sendero del pianista, a quien se le ocurriría pasearse por estos lugares inóspito sin haber investigado sobre la zona y que irresponsables las personas que estuvieron cerca de ellas por no advertir sobre el peligro inminente en el bosque
Вот досматриваю 4 часть уже 2023 год и для меня это супер экстремальная тропа ,а какая она была в 2014 кто его знает .Я думала там просторная тропа и на смотровую площадку можно быстро поднятся .Могу поверить что девушки дошли ,а когда спускались было уже темно и они попрасту заблудились .Там такие камни можно не только ногу сломать !
I keep thinking to myself that the girls may have left Boquete at around 12:00-1:00pm. To hike up to El Mirador, then to hike two or three hours down into this other side was like inviting disaster. There is just no way that they would have gone so far and expected to get back before night arrived. It is chilling to see how long and topographically challenging this jungle trail is in reality.
Голышом в такое путешествие в густой непроходимый лес со змеями и всякой другой живностью. Это безумие. Ещё такое длительное путешествие, не понятное : тропа или туда, или сюда. Каменистый путь. Ладно в сухую погоду и днём. А если дождь, да ещё ночью. Ну кто сказал, что нельзя заблудиться. Вся тропа непонятная и опасная. Каменистая, порой узкая между скал. Никого на всем пути, никого. А девочки могли повстречать недоброжелателя или злая стихия встала на их пути
Там ещё обезьяны прыгают по джунглям и змеи ползуют
Боже, какая страшная, жуткая тропа ! Как фильм ужасов.
May they rest in peace ✝️
Спасибо автору!
Подъем сложный, много камней хотя и не мокрых.
В уссурийской тайте также невероятно опасно. Даже вдоль дороги! Тигры, медведи, змеи, осы. Жаль девушек.
35:35 rest in peace...
Romain C, how do you estimate the probability from 0 to 100 that the girls went further along the trail, thinking that they were going back along the trail? I mean, when they finally got to the observation deck, they lost concentration from emotion and exhaustion. After taking a photo, they decided to return, but they got confused and continued along the path.
Thank you for the work done! Almost the only person who methodically obtains facts, and does not make ridiculous guesses for the sake of attracting attention.
Thank you !
"I mean, when they finally got to the observation deck, they lost concentration from emotion and exhaustion. After taking a photo, they decided to return, but they got confused and continued along the path."
I would say 0. If it was a day with a lot of mist, it would have been a good explanation but here it's not the case.
Después de ver muchos videos observo que el camino es lindo (como aventura) y seguro, he visto muchos youtubers grabar y a ninguno se le cruzo siquiera una araña, lo que les sucedió no está relacionado con la naturaleza ni el camino si no con gente que planeo hacerles algo, eran demasiado bonitas e iban solas, en mi teoría esta implicado el guia.
Mette i brividi solo a vedere il sentiero figuriamoci queste povere ragazze a pensare che paura e sofferenza che anno avuto !!!! Dovevano cercare subito la notte stessa a cercare le ragazze non aspettare il tempo è prezzioso e dentro a una foresta così c'è da' aspettarsi di tutto!!! Ricerche fatte a male modo a parere mio !!! 🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤
What I see, is that "El Pianista" is not really a "trail", but a set of waterways, hence the shape (steps) and the name, because that's the bed of a temporarily dry waterway. If I was in a "trail" like that in a national park in Costa Rica, I would now that I am already lost (out of the tourist trails).
Lo que veo es que "El Pianista" realmente no es un trillo, sino un conjunto de bajantes de agua, y de ahí el nombre y la forma de las "gradas". Si yo llegara a caminar por una vía así en un parque nacional de Costa Rica, sabría que estoy técnicamente perdido, fuera del trillo oficial.
Great videos, thank you for sharing!
Se siente algo raro,como dicen en mí país(mala vibra) yo no iría a ese lugar.Creo que si las chicas fueron no fueron solas.Eso es una trampa.Saludos desde Argentina.
😢да... Их завели, там живёт племя в горах...
Je suis panaméen et je suis né précisément dans cette province là mais j'oserais d'y aller tout seul.. 😨
Are there a tribe live in the mountain?
It may be we'll never get an answer to this mystery but I'd love to know what a top-of-the-range behavioural psychologist made of it as I think the mindset of the 2 girls is perhaps the key to this. A possible take - they made it as far as Mirador but it was a LOT tougher than they expected. Relieved to get there, numerous happy photos are taken. There's then a 30 minute gap between those and the final 2 photos being taken. Those don't appear too cheery. It's possible that, during that gap, these 2 girls realised that getting down was going to be as tough, if not tougher, than the climb they've just undertaken. Kris had twisted an ankle and was wanting to rest a while before starting back. Hence Lisanne wandering off and being photographed from a distance by Kris. By now, both are both nervous about the trail back and both regretting coming in the first place. It may be that they argue, each blaming the other. But they're putting off the hike back though knowing perfectly well that they'll have to undertake it. So, eventually, off they go. And it all goes wrong. I had believed in foul play as the answer but these 4 videos showing just how dangerous this trail is have made me re-think. As for the backpack evidence and the state of the remains, I dunno. Jungle ecosystems have laws of their own and strange things can, and do, happen. I'm certain, though, that they didn't go any further than the end of this particular trail. Going further into the jungle makes no sense at all.
Going further into the jungle makes no sense at all, I agree with. After taking an already difficult trail and the girls not being experienced hikers I think (especially not in this environment), it wouldn't make sense to go further. They would also have been tired to some degree by then I would think. Also, it would take them so much longer into the trip and they were expected to be back for dinner at the place they were staying.
Some people say the few remains that were found were bleached and did not look like natural decay for being out in the nature that long. I don't believe that. In central/south America there are cartels chopping bodies up with machetes and such but I don't believe they would go through the effort of using bleach and what not. Though it's always possible I guess, especially if there was a murderer not used to doing this and wanted to erase any evidence and go through the effort.
What does strike me as odd is how their items and even remains were so displaced. Especially since there is no logical explanation to me why they would have gone so far/deep.
For me it would seem only possible when it is being carried by a river/stream. But I did not see any big river or stream in these videos throughout the path (except maybe in the beginning close to the village).
Another way would be by a large animal dragging their body but that seems unlikely in such terrain and I'm not even sure if there are large & dangerous animals in that area?
Or if it was a murderer, he displaced all the parts. But why go through such effort? I doesn't seem easy to carry around a body or lots of items in such an environment just to get rid of them.
But what doesn't make sense to me is that their backpack was found, perfectly intact and dry, with some of their clothing neatly folded. How do you explain that?
Unless that information was incorrect.
I've watched quite a few videos and many things suggest it was an accident but then other things suggest there was foul play (such as the dry backpack).
I'm more inclined to believe it was an accident but some things just don't seem to support that.
It is such a mystery what happened!
It was 100% most definitely foul play. Abduction, Abuse, Murder, and dismemberment.
@@VK-qe7if that’s just your opinion though, not facts
@@ericaeva4408 It's a fact. And anyone with half a brain can see that it was no accident, and that it was foul play.
@@jazpes.u5875 To me that's what it sounded like or what people seem to be implying but I could be wrong of course.
If it's not natural decay as they say but bleached, what does that mean exactly then?
for 40 days children were lost here in Brazil in the Amazon, a dense and closed forest but they were children who survived, I can't believe that adults with experience on trails would make mistakes that would lead to death, I would say that the probability of them dying in the forest was 10 %, the evidence that it was a crime points to 90%, there are no coincidences, it is clear that there is a third person, but you cannot control two young women alone, so there was more than one killer.
then imagine you are on that path in the middle of the night and try to find your way back and not get lost. good luck! I say there is zero chance!
@@blabla20202not a thing happened at night. They climbed up in the day 1pm roughly was the summit. What night? They could have turned back at any time and had time to return. Those girls were slain and no one wants to talk. Simple as that. Those people know what happened and refuse to speak. The only 2 who probably could have said anything was conveniently slain as well not too long after.
That's very different. I read about that. Those stranded children were children of natives and had been taught many survival skills by their family which is a strong reason they survived. If they had been city children who only knew their way around a phone or tablet, who knows if they would have survived in the same circumstance.
Coucou Romain. Je te suis sur le blog de Camille et je te félicite pour la qualité de ton travail et ton investissement. Il est très intéressant de voir à quoi ressemble ce sentier dont on a tant parlé.
Merci beaucoup ! Je vais aussi publier des vidéos montrant le sentier au-delà du sommet.
@@Romain_C 35:35min..the cross for kriss and lisanne?
Yes, that's the cross.
@@Romain_C
Да! Я тоже посмотрю🤗
Excelente trabajo queria conocer el recorrido de kris y lisanne realmente fue una trampa mortal para esos dos angelitos .la verdad se tiene que saber ..
Roman thank You so much for this video
wow really scary path in my opionion easy game for murders to encounter victims in such a quite place where nobody see anything...
Oh come now. It’s not like there are murderers and rapists hiding amongst the trees. It is the middle of a jungle.
@@ih8brusselssprouts , two girls were abducted and most likely murdered on this trail a few years ago. They found their bodies a few months later.
@@DaGooDBaDnUgLy Who and when please.
@@ih8brusselssprouts
Actually I'm not sure this was the exact trail as it starts I believe at the Café Princesa Janca Restaurant in Boquete, Panama.
The trail the two girls went on was not too far away though and went to the top of Volcán Barú, also in Boquete, Panama. It doesn't sound too safe in that area anyway unless you are in a group or with known familiar locals.
@@ih8brusselssprouts
It looks like Romain C is deleting my comments.
Maybe he doesn't like the truth.
Qu’elles reposent en paix....
La verdad ese bosque se ve peligroso ay no los caminos parecen cuevas sin salida
Seems like it could be a reasonable assumption that one could get twisted around on the trails
Is this the same path Lisanne & Kris took? This looks extremely dangerous! Especially with the drop offs in part 3. Thanks for sharing.
I would say, this is the path they want us believe Kris and Lisanne took it.
@@WienGolf their photos show that they took this path
Says someone who probably never went hiking ever. This is an easy-medium level hiking.
@@CristinaNakamura Kris and Lisanne weren't expert hikers.
Someone photoshopped so it would look like the girls went that way
Thanks for that video. It seems especially strange to me that "both" would have died in an accident.
Sempre vejo qualquer video ou documentario referente a este caso intrigante, fico pensando no que pode ter acontecido, queria muito fazer essa trilha, claro que acompanhada de varias pessoas e de um guia
osea que las chicas..(.por lo q tengo entendido ) llegaron hacia el lugar el mirador , que es esa cima..pero despues siguieron? de ahi en adelante son las fotos donde kris se la ve sola ? con las dos botellas de agua? no tiene sentido..que hagan todo ese viaje pero que en lugar de volver , decidan seguir, sabiendo q no tenian mucha comida, ni agua..no tiene sentido
I feel like this is where the night photos were taken, do any one else agree?
I thought that at minute 9:40
Ese lugar está solitario. Como se les ocurrió ir para allá un país que no conocían sin guía ni nada. Es aterrador.
Fueron ingenuas y confiadas, pero por todos los videos que ví, entiendo también que ellas querían conocer el sendero pianista, y luego regresar.Fueron vestidas y practicamente sin provisiones, para pasar unas horas y registrar fotos de los paisajes.Chicas inteligentes pero sin conocimiento del lugar, entonces cómo ingresarían solas al bosque, sabiendo que llegada la tardecita noche, iban a correr peligro? Me queda claro que fueron obligadas y el horror de lo que susedió....no tiene nombre!!
@Romain C, where did the girls supposedly go once they reached the Mirador? Is the path they took in the ending of your video?
that 4 second bird chirping loop....
imagine having to listen to it for 11 days...
@@Ack359 😳😳
У памятника есть сотовая связь? В каком месте пропадает связь? Если она есть то скорее всего девушки пошли дальше. Много изменилось за это время новые сотовые вышки и так далее,но все же интересно
thank you for posting
Не могу понять где Крис и Лиссан делали здесь фото?
Por todas esas partes hay gente porque hay vacas
А ведь там свежие цветы.
Значит кто-то туда приходит... 🤔
Это искусственные. В России также на могилы носят искусственные пластиковые цветы
Gansales 😢
Здесь клещи есть ???
🤣 Змеи точно есть)
@@user-qc5cs9jc2k даже не сомневаюсь.
The two girls didn't have an accident, they didn't get lost either! It was cold blood murder! I don't want to know who's in on it! In any case, the fact is that they were killed, the only question is why!!! The climb is very difficult and dangerous, the girls should never have done it alone! Correct video, thanks for uploading! 👍 (sorry for my bad english, i speak this Language not so good)! 🙈 R.I.P. Kris and Lisanne 🙏🕯🕊
Do u think they can be eaten by canibals?
They were absolutely slain. But if you try to ring up Osman or the other guy (since they were the last ones with them), you would be out of luck because they were slain as well. And the jungle folks lips are sealed.
Cada vez que miro los videos, tengo la sensación, que las chicas no decidieron lo hicieron por ellas.Eran formadas e inteligentes, como irían así vestidas con remeras y shorts, a escalar estos senderos pudiéndose lastimar con espinas piedras o caerse ? sin provisiones sin alimentos, sabiendo que pronto caería la tardecita noche.Parecían ingenuas y confiadas, pero no eran tontas.Todo parece indicar que fueron arrebatadas y/o extorsionadas, sus celulares y camara de fotos, fueron manipulados, porque es muy raro lo que se puede ver.Y aún sabiendo que no hay señal para comunicarse, es todo un montaje de este o estos asesinos...
Da miedo ir ahy Muchos Caníbales humanos y salvajes Animales Carnívoros esas muchachas que Dios las tenga en la gloria y el descanso Solo Dios sabe que les pasó que dios las lleve descansar las albertencias son importantes más cuando no conoces lugares peligrosos le faltó más orientación pero Nadien está por. NADIEN solo las maldades el peligro 🇻🇪
nice place, but no security for foreigners, due to what happened to young Lisanne and Kris.
Te puedo hacer una pregunta por este mamino pasan inmigrantes? O pasan por otro destino? Please
Se que no me lo preguntas a mi pero te respondo: No. El lugar donde transitan inmigrantes es el tapón/selva del Darien, frontera de Panama con Colombia, sitio bastante peligroso, por grupos armados irregulares, carteles de narcotrafico ... Ademas es una selva muy densa y aqui si hay felinos como jaguares; creo que por esto algunas personas confunden un tanto la flora y fauna del Darien con la de Boquete que esta mas fronteriza con Costa Rica.
@@carlosbrizuela6521 Gracias.. Me refería si cuando cruzas para costa rica pasan por boquete
No, no tiene sentido un emigrante recorrer Panamá de Oriente a Occidente, lo haría de sur a norte con dirección a costa rica.estos senderos por lo que veo sobre el terreno en los vídeos son senderos que fácilmente pueden tener más de 100 años, primero utilizados sólo por indios ; y luego por colonos y un que otro traqueto.
Hi Romain, thanks for sharing all the videos of your trip so far. I'm guessing this is your second time hiking this trail, so you are quite familiar with the route? Did you redo this trail a third time or is this it? Also did you record the iPhone and Samsung phone connections to get an idea of how they perform in your backpack while you went on this trail?
Any reason why Matt didn't go with you guys? His work on the case is amazing as well as yours and Chris's.
Good job. And I look forward to seeing more of your experiences from this trip. Cheers!
Thank you very much! Actually, on that video, it was my third time. 2 in 2019: the first one being a failure because I ended up going the wrong way by taking the wrong direction at the split before the first river crossing (you can see it on El Pianista Part 2) : the second one, I went further than the Mirador. In 2021, I think I went like 7 times in total (including the 2 expeditions, but also several day trip to do some additional explorations).
For the phone, it's only work until you are a bit into the forest area. Then it works again when you arrive at the Mirador.
Matt couldn't come because he didn't have the occasion to come because of his job. Chris had the occasion to take some holidays, so he had the opportunity to come. And me, being a student, I had the summer to go.
@@Romain_C Wow! So you've hiked the trail 7 times! You're probably qualified to take over from Feliciano as the new guide of the Mountain! 🙂 Thanks for the rest of the information. I look forward to seeing more of your experiences and learning from this last trip. Thanks Romain!
Did you feel it would be possible to get lost coming down? You mention you hiked the wrong way on the way up, some I'm wondering if there are any moments coming down where the path splits or it's unclear which way to go.
@@georgeholloway3981 Good Question.
@@georgeholloway3981 I'm wondering this as well.
It looks like on the way up there are a few occasions where you can take the wrong path but coming down, not so much I think?
I think this because when a path splits up (on the way up), it splits in V shape so when you're coming down that would mean you're going in a backwards direction which no one would take unless deliberately.
Where is river 508?
Salut Romain ! Je sais que ce n’est pas vraiment le lieu pour discuter des circonstances de la disparition de kris et lysanne mais j’ai une théorie qui me trotte dans la tête depuis un certain temps, concernant la photo du crâne de Kris prise de nuit......en essayant de me mettre à leur place, je me suis demandé si une (rare car dangereuse...) recherche de nuit par hélicoptère avait été effectuée dans le creneau horaire de la prise de la photo....car moi, dans leur situation, en m’imaginant à leur place, j’aurais flashé la chevelure rousse de Kris, pour faire comme une balise orangée plus facilement décelable de l’hélicoptère....parfois la solution la plus simple est la bonne, non ??.....
Salut ! Honnêtement, je ne pense pas du tout. Kris s'est peut-être juste tenue devant la caméra par hasard. Pour les hélicoptères, on m'a confirmé que ceux-ci n'étaient pas utilisés de nuit.
Les cheveux semblent anormalement propres... de plus sur les photos on voir qu il pleut énormément et les cheveux sont secs ?
this is not a jungle.you have many open places here .you have paths,the chose is on you how you gonna reacted in this circumstances .this is a forest.
No me canso de pensar como estas chicas tomaron esa edición de ir solas a un lugar tan solitario pobres chicas
Ese canto de esta ave del video es triste verdad?
Did you go further on once at the top?
Yes, even further than Alto Romero.
@@Romain_C how long were you out there for in total? Did you take a guide with you? I have such admiration.
Thanks ! In the area after the Mirador, I spent 5 days (with a french military man and a friend from US) + 3 days to go to Chiriqui Grande (it's another province on the caribbean side) with 3 guides.
@@Romain_C and is it possible to get lost easily? Thanks for your video's!
porque nadie hace un video largo mas allá del mirador, solo una persona se adentro mas allá de donde esta la cruz de las chicas, llego a la quebrada pero camino un poco mas y no se adentro mas. todos los videos son muy repetitivos del mismo ascenso hasta el mirador y las chicas tuvieron los problemas mas allá de la quebrada que fue donde se tomaron la ultima foto visible. alguien debería grabar mas allá de la quebrada. creo todos queremos entender que fue lo que les sucedió a Kris y Lisanne pobrecitas ellas un día de caminata bonito se convirtió en pesadilla.
porque no vas tu y lo haces, si tanto quieres saber
He filmado hasta el primer puente de los monos.... Todavía no he publicado todo, pero ya hay vídeos hasta las barreras. Solo tienes que hacer clic en el canal de youtube....
Porque es muy peligroso
@@edgarjuniordelacruz3984 cállate nosotros queremos mirar lo que tiene adilante
Мне этот путь не показался прекрасной прогулкой. Тернист и опасен
In the mountains there lived canibal tribe.. Little black people, mix African and Latin.
On each pic of girls I saw a lot of skulls. Girls were eaten
@@alisek4441 I saw them on their pictures
So this is the path after the first path when they recommend turning around
No, this is the first path to the 'summit' before you should turn back.
@@goonerash okay what video will I find the path that is not recommended
@@larvin6910 ua-cam.com/video/UHy92eZ6Xqc/v-deo.html
Yo me aseguro q si yo hubiera estado para el tiempo q se desapareció al mismo día fueran encontrada , no habría ninguna duda , eso era bueno tener unas bocinas grande y perro y si no habría perro en el momento , con q la bocina se escuchara duro ,!fuera suficiente porque si ella la escuchaba iban a ir hacia el sonido , esa niña están muerta porque Panama le falló las fiscal hizo un libro y no creo q ella sea la persona para adecuada para eso
Ну и маршрут... Точно костей не соберешь...
Dude this trail is creepy and you can get lost easily. You go off the trail to pee and you can fall or take some wrong turn. I don't know why their parents said it was an easy trail. Maybe because they wanted to justify the poor decision of their daughters
I agree with you! Despite what some people say, it looks like it's very easy to get lost, and those "quebradas" look like real traps to me. You could easily get ambushed😳😢
I don't see 2 heathy fit women just falling off like the elderly when they lose their balance. Agreed to the quebradas. They didn't fall anywhere. Those girls were slain. And that jungle knows about it and are in fear of running their mouths so they stay quiet like a church mouse while the parents suffer in pain and turmoil.