I've just ordered a tc max , orange/ black ... its truly a beautiful bike , very pleasing to the eye .... for cities and towns I guess this is where it will sit perfectly ... commute orientated with panache...
It's pretty helpful having those speed presets to limit your speed, helpful for beginners and those worried about breaking speed limits. It's probably more efficient to do this too for more range.
Watched another video of a guy doing a 0 to 60 mph test for his TC Max at the fastest setting. Took a painful 30s but then not surprising as that is as fast as this bike can possibly go. More interesting is the 0 to 40 mph time. TC Max took 7s. In comparison to other videos, a 100cc bike took 11s, a Yamaha TW 200cc took 8s, and a Vespa GTS 300cc took 5s. So it does respectable for its size, but the acceleration doesn't seem all that exciting. However, your impression suggests that the acceleration was quite enjoyable. I'm more interested in acceleration over top speed, so would like your own thoughts of how it matches up against the many other bikes that you have tested.
I live in France and I really wanted to buy it, but many owners in France have so many issues with Soco TC & TC Max (electric, batteries, after sales...) that I have changed my mind !
True... I bought mine in December, and i literally used it for 2 weeks about 80 km, the famous error 94 appeared, i was told that is related to the battery power conector, long story short the motorcycle is still in the dealers workshop I hope they deliver it to me this weekend so it can be the end of this bad experience, unlucky for me the distributor says that I am the only one who has had issues with the motorcycle since they arrived in my country ... al least the warranty will stay valid for a year...
Yeah. Battery cooling is apparently non existent. There are stories of melted battery trays and the inability to charge the battery as it gets so hot, it can't be charged. One youtuber said he needed to change brake rotors along with pads. Range was only 30 miles. It's not going to last 5 years as some have said.
The main reason for this bike is the ability to remove the battery for charging, and to do that it means it needs to be under 25kg by law, this is 21kg, so thats why the range is what it is, The thing with E-bikes is you buy one to fit your purpose, not just by the style you like and they all do the same distance etc, People need to change their mindsets on how to approach E-bikes, they are alot more costumed to what your after than ICE bikes
@@wolfe1970 A lot more limited is what you want to say. One is certain. You won't have back pain on an electric bike because the battery dies on you in less than two hours! So there are some positives, right!?
sounds good but i'd be worried about getting shafted by the service costs as i bet they say you need specialist kit and tell you its a safety hazard to touch the electrics , also is there not some kind of an energy recover system to extend the battery charge intervals like the bmw i3 where it charges itself a bit when you back off the throttle
We are now seeing Honda, Yamaha and Piaggio get in on the 50cc equivalent electric moped scene, so not long for 125cc counterparts, next 2-3 years I reckon. There are some promising concepts and rumours.
Urworstnightmares but the shitty thing is you cant get it licensed in cities like shanghai n beijing，it is ruled out as a electro bicycle because of the size
Great review I am big bike fan but never heard of this manufacturer. I went to look at the American Zero and thought the bike was no were worth the 20,000 quid they are asking for it I just couldn't see it but having watched this I am impressed by the bike and price is this a British company or Chinese company?
It's a little more complex than that - it's a china-based company, created by guys who left japanese Honda to work on their own project, with investor from Australia :D
There's no difference between modes 1, 2, 3 other than the top speed, the power delivery is the same through all modes, also, the difference modes are meant as limiters, mode 1 you can max out at 30mph, exactly what its meant to do, so not sure why your saying its not meant for that
For the price. They should have gone with two battery 100mile range. Speed around 68mph is ok but 75 would be better, I know it's possible. Right now all three bikes in their lineup are just city runabouts. And who pays more than 3grand for a town bike?
They are good bikes for learners and i have seriously been tempted however and it is a huge however, UK sellers are utterly taking the piss with the price as you can quite literally buy this exact same bike delivered to the UK from china for £1500 then factoring in registration costs lets say a max total cost of £1900 factoring in other costs like registration / import VAT etc, yet sellers are selling them for £4200 after apparently applying the Grant deduction, so yeah these bikes look good until you relies sellers are quite literally taking the piss and ripping you off, ok a seller needs to make profit fine but quadrupling the price? which brings me to the grant deduction that is supposed to make them cheaper and as an incentive but UK sellers artificially increase the base cost of the bike by the grant deduction amount so they can personally bank that money.
Hopefully going to get to test one next month. Wondering if there is the facility to add a topbox as that seems to me to be an important requirement for a commuter bike? I certainly need one. They are advertised as having a top speed of 95kph but none of the reviews I have seen get it to go much over 80.
On the version we tested top speed wasn't as advertised, but not sure if newer production models have had any increases. Unsure of top boxes tbh, best speaking to a Super Soco dealer. Hope you get on well with your test.
Great review ! How is the performance of this bike holding up in the long term ? I hear NIU bikes go on without a problem for years just the usual maintenance. Maybe i should buy a NIU first and wait until soco have proven themselves some more.
They are amazing! These are produced by Sublime Designs for the English Electric Motor Co I believe. So doubt these ones will be available but Sublime designs might have similar available or able to produce unique ones.
i can understand peoples range anxiety however just think about how many miles you actually ride in a day commuting 60 mies is a lot, even 40 miles is a lot, yes this bike isnt a tourer or a sunday blast ride and the fact u can take the battery out of the bike and charge it at work from a plug for next to no cost ...food for thought i think.
Yes we agree, a lot of people looking at the range on electric bikes comparable to a 125 and think it isn't good enough, but how many 125s are doing more than 60-mile trips in a day.
Seriously tho, who wants to ride at moped speeds! 🤨 Real world it's going to spend most if not all of the time in mode 3 which 40 miles with a 8 hour charge is possibley the deal breaker, only as an urban commute
Most of these small capacity bikes (capable of around 45mph or less) are just for busy urban areas really, where they are not needed to go fast. The new TC Max apparently can reach just under 60mph, so it is getting better!
Let us know what you think of the Super Soco TC Max in the comments section! The future is electric!⚡
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I've just ordered a tc max , orange/ black ... its truly a beautiful bike , very pleasing to the eye .... for cities and towns I guess this is where it will sit perfectly ... commute orientated with panache...
We have been waiting for this to come the USA forever!!!
SOOOOO close to what I need. Have to have 110kph max to commuter into town on the highway. Range is fine for a simple commute into town and back.
@@aleksa0015 It's the top speed I need to go to town on the semi trailer infested narrow highway. Range is fine
@@aleksa0015 not on this bike. The CPx has two batteries.
It's pretty helpful having those speed presets to limit your speed, helpful for beginners and those worried about breaking speed limits. It's probably more efficient to do this too for more range.
Definitely!
Just ordered! 😎Can´t wait for it 😬
Awesome - hope the review has helped out! When does it arrive?
Super introduction to the electric world! Nice looking bike, this.
Watched another video of a guy doing a 0 to 60 mph test for his TC Max at the fastest setting. Took a painful 30s but then not surprising as that is as fast as this bike can possibly go. More interesting is the 0 to 40 mph time. TC Max took 7s. In comparison to other videos, a 100cc bike took 11s, a Yamaha TW 200cc took 8s, and a Vespa GTS 300cc took 5s. So it does respectable for its size, but the acceleration doesn't seem all that exciting. However, your impression suggests that the acceleration was quite enjoyable. I'm more interested in acceleration over top speed, so would like your own thoughts of how it matches up against the many other bikes that you have tested.
CBT booked!
That's awesome Melvin! Good luck with it buddy, you'll be on the road in no time!
I live in France and I really wanted to buy it, but many owners in France have so many issues with Soco TC & TC Max (electric, batteries, after sales...) that I have changed my mind !
True...
I bought mine in December, and i literally used it for 2 weeks about 80 km, the famous error 94 appeared, i was told that is related to the battery power conector, long story short the motorcycle is still in the dealers workshop I hope they deliver it to me this weekend so it can be the end of this bad experience, unlucky for me the distributor says that I am the only one who has had issues with the motorcycle since they arrived in my country ... al least the warranty will stay valid for a year...
I buy a tc have it for two months and have any problem and in my country the store where I buy give me 4 years o warranty
Yeah. Battery cooling is apparently non existent. There are stories of melted battery trays and the inability to charge the battery as it gets so hot, it can't be charged. One youtuber said he needed to change brake rotors along with pads. Range was only 30 miles. It's not going to last 5 years as some have said.
Good comprehensive review, it’s a pity about the range though.
Thank you! It is, although you can just about get away with it on a 125cc equivalent, and why I see it as a great town/city bike.
The main reason for this bike is the ability to remove the battery for charging, and to do that it means it needs to be under 25kg by law, this is 21kg, so thats why the range is what it is,
The thing with E-bikes is you buy one to fit your purpose, not just by the style you like and they all do the same distance etc,
People need to change their mindsets on how to approach E-bikes, they are alot more costumed to what your after than ICE bikes
@@wolfe1970 A lot more limited is what you want to say. One is certain. You won't have back pain on an electric bike because the battery dies on you in less than two hours! So there are some positives, right!?
sounds good but i'd be worried about getting shafted by the service costs as i bet they say you need specialist kit and tell you its a safety hazard to touch the electrics , also is there not some kind of an energy recover system to extend the battery charge intervals like the bmw i3 where it charges itself a bit when you back off the throttle
Regeneration brake?
If not you could probably increase range with regen with probably 5-10 miles!
Is the steering wheel on the left or right side?
Can you carry a passenger on that? Or what others call a pillon?
I'd like to know when the big four from Japan are going to get involved. This would bring the price down considerably.
We are now seeing Honda, Yamaha and Piaggio get in on the 50cc equivalent electric moped scene, so not long for 125cc counterparts, next 2-3 years I reckon. There are some promising concepts and rumours.
soco is a company based in shanghai China，and here it cost 18888RMB，which is about 2500eur
yea and they even have stores you can visit and try the bikes
Urworstnightmares but the shitty thing is you cant get it licensed in cities like shanghai n beijing，it is ruled out as a electro bicycle because of the size
Great review I am big bike fan but never heard of this manufacturer. I went to look at the American Zero and thought the bike was no were worth the 20,000 quid they are asking for it I just couldn't see it but having watched this I am impressed by the bike and price is this a British company or Chinese company?
It's a little more complex than that - it's a china-based company, created by guys who left japanese Honda to work on their own project, with investor from Australia :D
Should be 11kw & min 115km/h
We have YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V36AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V48AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V57.6AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC- 60V60AH Lithium battery for SOCO.
There's no difference between modes 1, 2, 3 other than the top speed, the power delivery is the same through all modes, also, the difference modes are meant as limiters, mode 1 you can max out at 30mph, exactly what its meant to do, so not sure why your saying its not meant for that
For the price. They should have gone with two battery 100mile range. Speed around 68mph is ok but 75 would be better, I know it's possible. Right now all three bikes in their lineup are just city runabouts. And who pays more than 3grand for a town bike?
They are good bikes for learners and i have seriously been tempted however and it is a huge however, UK sellers are utterly taking the piss with the price as you can quite literally buy this exact same bike delivered to the UK from china for £1500 then factoring in registration costs lets say a max total cost of £1900 factoring in other costs like registration / import VAT etc, yet sellers are selling them for £4200 after apparently applying the Grant deduction, so yeah these bikes look good until you relies sellers are quite literally taking the piss and ripping you off, ok a seller needs to make profit fine but quadrupling the price? which brings me to the grant deduction that is supposed to make them cheaper and as an incentive but UK sellers artificially increase the base cost of the bike by the grant deduction amount so they can personally bank that money.
Hopefully going to get to test one next month. Wondering if there is the facility to add a topbox as that seems to me to be an important requirement for a commuter bike? I certainly need one. They are advertised as having a top speed of 95kph but none of the reviews I have seen get it to go much over 80.
On the version we tested top speed wasn't as advertised, but not sure if newer production models have had any increases.
Unsure of top boxes tbh, best speaking to a Super Soco dealer. Hope you get on well with your test.
Found Shad make a luggage rack for them.
@@petergrove5132 Nice spot! Least the option is there for a little bit of storage!
Yes you need to buy the mounting kit then you can use most top boxes.
It depends in mode that the bike are if its restricted or undistricted I drive one and made 100km/h
Great review ! How is the performance of this bike holding up in the long term ? I hear NIU bikes go on without a problem for years just the usual maintenance. Maybe i should buy a NIU first and wait until soco have proven themselves some more.
Can I buy this in the US? sorry I am first time bike owner and I would love to have this bike but I have no clue if I can.
Superb Electric bike is the super spco
Nice bike let down by it's top speed and range.
Hello, can we buy your stickers on bike ??
They are amazing! These are produced by Sublime Designs for the English Electric Motor Co I believe. So doubt these ones will be available but Sublime designs might have similar available or able to produce unique ones.
i can understand peoples range anxiety however just think about how many miles you actually ride in a day commuting 60 mies is a lot, even 40 miles is a lot, yes this bike isnt a tourer or a sunday blast ride and the fact u can take the battery out of the bike and charge it at work from a plug for next to no cost ...food for thought i think.
Yes we agree, a lot of people looking at the range on electric bikes comparable to a 125 and think it isn't good enough, but how many 125s are doing more than 60-mile trips in a day.
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Future nice 👌
Seriously tho, who wants to ride at moped speeds! 🤨 Real world it's going to spend most if not all of the time in mode 3 which 40 miles with a 8 hour charge is possibley the deal breaker, only as an urban commute
Most of these small capacity bikes (capable of around 45mph or less) are just for busy urban areas really, where they are not needed to go fast.
The new TC Max apparently can reach just under 60mph, so it is getting better!
5 years and it will in the bin
The panel should be digital, with all information as posssible, specially waze, internet...
Great review, but clipped English is a bit hard to understand. Sorry.