The UK Government is proposing bans on types of machete and large knife. You have until 6 June 2023 to respond to the consultation: www.matt-easton.co.uk/UK-machete-law In the link above, you can see my response (also read in this video). I strongly urge you to send your views to them as soon as possible.
How many times does government action have to do more harm than good before you stop and think, hmm perhaps the harm is the intended effect?’ Purposefully making the streets less safe as an excuse to grab for power is a tactic as old as government.
Matt that response really needs to go to each constituency MP, especially of the governing party, hand delivered to them at a surgery by a constituent. This is necessary for maximum effect.
yep. A quick action so they can say to the public, 'look we are doing something about it,' so they can reel off what they have achieved when elections come round.
Have they already tried banning "knife crime"? What happens when tire iron crime increases? Hammers? Torque wrenches? Axe handles? Cricket bats? Croquet mallets? A bag filled with rocks? The danger isn't, and never will be, the object - it's the attacker.
They "banned" guncrime by making most firearms illegal and the few left available almost impossible to legally own. coincidentally guncrime is at a 20+ year high and rising.
@@skysurferuk Some headbanger Tory! LMAO They WANT conflict. It allows them to sneakily pass ever more Draconian laws to take away our ability to curtail their power. The other lot are no better with an ex DPP at the helm.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.” -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
You act like this isn't the point of these laws. When everybody doing normal everyday things is a criminal, anybody can be arrested at any time and sent away to prison. Then all the government needs is maliciously-motivated selective enforcement of the law and they have a "mechanism" to make any "problem" citizen disappear. Oh look that common gardening tool 80% of the country owns becomes a weapon that a felony to possess... Were you aware you are now supposed to go through your shed and throw out half your things? The USA has been doing this for over 100 years. Its why EVERY US citizen commits at least 4-10 federal felonies a day just minding their own business thinking they are following the law. They have an infinity of "letter of the law" regulations that don't require mens rhea to trigger felony imprisonment that are often contradictory, thus even attempting to comply with one inherently violates another. Thus the ONLY way to avoid prison in the US while being anything but blindly irrelevant and obedient, is to be rich and connected to the pollical elite so that prosecution is "waved" because you are "too important to jail", which is exactly what they want: tyrannical, exclusive rule of the insider network. Rights and freedoms are a lie. In a Western nation they just put you in a cage with transparent bars, as opposed to an Eastern nation where they like to make the bars thick and out of very heavy iron to remind their people.
A friend's mother gave him a bag containing mangos and avocados along with a little paring knife well wrapped up in tissue paper. The police stopped and searched my friend . Finding the knife my friend and his elderly mother found themselves in court over this trivia. My friend's mother died while waiting to go to court. The good judge threw the knife aside asking the police "whats this " . Case dismissed. Breaks my heart to think my friend's mother spent he last days worrying about this court case. 😢
I had an aunt, a little old Italian lady, that got caught in the airport with hard Romano cheese, pepperoni, some crackers and a small kitchen knife. It got ugly for a while.
that is a sad story sorry to hear of a victim to moral panic... i guess that's the untold other side of this when we tolerate people who basicly i think use it so they can get on the radio/tv/write some article and try to stoke up moral panic making a job for themself
I worked for Medway Council for approximately 14 years cutting grass, tending shrub beds, flower beds and hedges, the most common weapons that I have found hidden during that 14 years has been cheap kitchen knives, screwdrivers and chisels, inexpensive throw away weapons.
You are right. I hope UK government makes notice and bans all metal working, plastic and trees too. Damn, someone might use a rope to commit a crime. Ban farming as well. We can not have people throwing apples at each other. I wonder when will they ban arms and legs.
I have a machete and live in a van, often on windswept moor tops. Now the data would say otherwise but if I'm watching The Shining or something under a new moon, I find cradling my machete quite comforting. ...If a hand comes round my van's back doors,I'm keeping it!
Proposal two is the real danger. The ability to come into your home on a completely unrelated matter, then seize any item that they see, which they think might have the potential to be used in a crime, presumably at some unspecified time in the future. That's some serious overreach right there.
If they arrived in a vehicle then they need to be reported because they "could have been, or might be about to" drive dangerously. This is rapidly heading to thought crimes.
@@CrusaderSports250 a protestor was done in London recently when she admitted to thinking about doing something that was illegal. She hadn't done a thing but was still arrested. This has happened a few times recently and to an ex-police officer, retired who used to know the law.
As a youngster living in an area where older youths were reputed to be violent and carried knives, I was taught how to seriously wound an attacker with rolled up newspapers, shopping bags, pens, pencils, fallen branches and, if attacked in a shop, a variety of goods at hand including tins of produce. Fifty years later, I have only ever had to use any of this twice to defend myself from attacks. Does this mean that next to be banned will be newspapers and tins of beans?
It's about optics. Media says "We must do something about knife crime!". So politicians jump on their bandwagons and get tough on crime. Has to be worth a few votes, right? One of my former MPs did this. Much publicity about his tough stance on knife crime and banning offensive weapons, yet he had a kukri prominently displayed in his office. A gift from the large Nepalese community he represented. Sometimes.
@@brolohalflemming7042 not importing violent criminals would be a nice place to start. to have listened to people 10-15 years ago who warned them would have been much better. instead of blaming their own decisions they find a scapegoat in inanimate objects. a mindset so dumb it can only be liberal
and yet countries that have strict gun and knife laws have far lower murder and assault rates with such weapons. It's almost like there is a correlation between a weapon's legality and how often it is used to commit crimes.
@@dgmt1 But do they? Here in the U.S., the places with the strictest weapons regulations have the largest share of violent crime, at least according to the FBI's annual violent crime reports.
@@dgmt1 Tell the victims of murder by 'such weapons ' that they're less dead than being bludgeoned by a club or a stone . A weak woman or an old person can defend themselves with a gun against a tough young man wielding a melee weapon .
@@Lyulfr Sorry you have got cause and effect mixed up....These places were already hot spots of violent crime and the strict laws are a reaction to try to limit this behavior. A simple test of your logic would be to remove all weapons regulations in those places and see what happened to the violent crime statistics wanna guess if they go up or down?
@@victorwaddell6530 really? but in reality no. unless they are walking around with the gun ready to fire an old or weak person is unlikely to be able to access the gun, aim and fire before the young tough man closes the distance....and now the criminal has a gun. Oh and BTW there is no point telling a murder victim anything ...they can't hear you...they're dead.
As a chef, the kitchen knife argument is the one that always gets me regarding this kind of thing. And I completely agree with your statements in this video. I have some quite substantial chef knives at home and work that are about 9 inches/23cm long, and about 3 inches/7cm at the widest part. It's kept extremely sharp and is by design and is very effective at cutting through flesh and even bone, as is their intended purpose. Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that this absolutely does make a very effective weapon. To change the design in some way to make it safer would render it useless for the intended task. To ban it entirely would be ridiculous and make the task of say, chopping an onion for example... tricky to say the least. No matter what more "intimidating" looking blades they ban, such as a machete, a kitchen knife has and always will be the easiest to acquire "weapon" for a criminal seeking to utilise it as such. I get it, a large machete looks aggressive. It's intimidating and that's why they are used by criminals, but practically, a kitchen knife is more effective at actually inflicting fatal wounds. Banning these other types of blade absolutely does encourage criminals to use a more effective "weapon", the kitchen knife. Not because they care if what they have is banned or not, of course they don't, but because it's far easier and convenient to acquire or justify owning something that isn't banned. No police officer would question why you own multiple large kitchen knives in a drawer in a kitchen. Why would they, without some other reason or evidence to suspect you? I don't claim I know how to solve a complex issue such as knife crime, but it is clear the solution isn't to ban more tools and display pieces that genuine workers and hobbyists use responsibly. This just makes everyone BUT the criminals lives harder. The ones these rulings are intended to stop. The criminals will just use a large knife you can buy in a supermarket instead. Should we ban kitchen knives? Of course not, then we have to ban every other tool or piece of equipment that has the potential to be used to harm another person. Then no one can do their job or perform basic household tasks. As ever, it's not the fault of the tool itself, It never is. It's the individual who makes a decision to use it irresponsibly or harm others with it. Same story with an array of power and hand tools for all kinds of manual work. A tire iron, crowbar, hammer, saw, even a car. We can't very well ban any of these things for obvious reasons. It's the intention with which these things are misused and the reasons why people make the decision to do so that needs attention.
This is ridiculous, I'm a horticulturalist and my job requires the usage of machete and bill hooks to lay hedges. Wth.... I need absolutely zero convincing.
Yeah I teach a little bushcraft and there's plenty of woodland in Bristol, so I often carry a bow saw openly, with axes and other tools in a rucksack. I also collect kukris, so the large bent knives bill was annoying enough, without making any other bushcraft tools illegal.
@@nicoleking772 I want you to imagine a theif pulling out a Machete on you on the street, you would give him all you have, still funny is it ??? when the Judge say's and for carrying a large Machete weapon I add 5 years to your sentence then yes it would stop them!!
Apparently they did this a few years ago in Norway. Didn't know I had something illegal until someone pointed it out recently. Why make it illegal? Gangs use them. You know, the same gangs who also use illegal automatic rifles that you can't even legally obtain in Norway.
@NameHere2243 what an ignorant comment. No matter what you ban criminals are going to break the law. You should not limit law abiding peoples activities because of a few bad people.
Completely agree - there was a gangland stabbing in Bristol a couple of weeks ago; the perpetrators just went into a Tesco and bought a couple of kitchen knives. If criminals want to go and cause harm to someone, they'll find a way, and this stuff just punishes everyone else.
@@makerealitygreatagain8809 They were indeed of European descent, though they've been brainwashed by the Jewish / Christian propaganda just like the rest of this country.
Sadly, it's clearer now more than ever that the objective of new legislation isn't to seek solutions, as proposals very rarely align with or simply fly in the face of common sense. Instead new proposals are jockeyed in order to gradually expand government authority and actionable power.
It's just a PR move, they don't know what to do to solve the problem (which to be fair is incredibly complex), but they need to do something to get the pressure off. So they pass these silly laws (the same thing happens in the US constantly).
@@devildante9 PR is part of the problem. If you save a child from a wild animal you'll get about 5 minutes on the news. Turn a Homeless person's life around by giving them a job and a place to live? You MIGHT get a full news segment. But if you go on a violent rampage that results in multiple deaths, high levels of property damage, and is only resolved by police using lethal force? They will talk about you for WEEKS!!! Picture on screen for everyone to see, your life story, interviews with your family and neighbors. The whole shabang. THAT is why crime is so hard to control. Because it's monetized by the F-ing news broadcasters and the criminals are instant celebrities.
Ancient law prohibits government from such illegal actions. The criminals are in the halls of government and the people need to take back their ceded powers post haste.
Gardeners and wood workers/carpenters. A circular saw blade/chop saw blade/table saw blade/radial arm saw blade are all long serrated edges with more than one hole in them.
Importing millions of foreign, fighting-age men then banning the last few things that people might use to actually defend themselves 🤔 Hmm...how curiously coincidental 🤔
They already are ! They have Battons, Tazers, Hand guns, Automatic rifles, Handcuffs, and frequently break the laws MEANT to protect the PUBLIC. One only needs to look at recent history of rapes , murders, shootings etc purpertrated by the former mentioned criminal gang. Will I have my V.A.T. refunded or compensation for any seized legally purchased articals that infringe these restrictions.?
As a Brit living in Germany I find what is happening in the UK is mad. My partner and I are involved in LARP and often travel by train and bus to medieval festivals. The amount of people, including us, adorned with swords, knives, axes, daggers, bow and arrows on public transport and walking to the event is huge, and there is absolutely no issue with it at all. This seems impossible to do in the UK.
bow and arrows is a hobby, people have to travel to get to events and training and not all have a car so public transport it is. it was law in England that we had to practice long bow don't know if still is but what i can find out - The English Archery Law of the 13th century ensured that English men would be come experts with the bow and arrow. In 1252 the 'Assize of Arms' ensured that all Englishmen were ordered, by law, that every man between the age of 15 to 60 years old should equip themselves with a bow and arrows. old-fashioned rules that still technically remain but not forced on citizens
Larp weapons look real but they are not real weapons as they are made up of a rod core surrounded by foam and covered in laytex. Made for hitting each other with no serious harm caused.
To be fair, I attended a public fete in Northumberland dressed in my harness and carrying a, sharp rondel, a pollaxe and a longsword. The police were great and took selfies (I also had a net sack full of very realistic severed heads which dripped fake blood). The laws in Britain (used) to be excellent because they were entirely contextual. So wearing this, at a festival celebrating both our bloody town's history and Halloween, was entirely acceptable. Whereas if I went to a pub, at night time with a rondel.. then I would be in real trouble.
@@AJGeeTV Ok, that confused me because we call the real weapons "battle re-inactment" and larp is the fantasy system. I had a friend who used the metal swords and armour. Came in handy for a friend's wedding as it looked very cool.
When i bought a cutlery set i had to show ID to prove im over 18. The shop assistant said children couldn't buy cutlery due to the blade length, but he could sell them chainsaws as each individual cutting edge being under 3 inches. This is a very weird country
Lawyers and Politicians (lawyers that transitioned fully to the dark side) are the problem. They are the sole-source for passing a law, but are also susceptible to corruption without review.
Exactly. A "law-abiding citizen" is just someone that does as they're told. And with the rampant corruption in our governments, the laws are somewhat suspect. I'd rather cohabitate with moral people than law-abiding ones.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero
If you have the intent, anything can be used as a weapon. You cannot conceal carry a machete. I can't help but feel that this is part of a nefarious plan to disarm everybody to prevent anyone who may wish to dissent to planned future tyranny.
@@nicoleking772 Yep. The solution is obvious. We've got Christians ruining our country, just like they ruined the Great Empire of Rome. Back in Rome, it was fine under Nero and Hadrian when the Chrissies were kept under check, and then Constantine came along and ruined it. It's the exact same now, Biden and Boris have completely ignored the Christian Question.
This is just like the protesting ban. Incredibly broad ranging with police discretion as to where to apply it, meaning anyone can be arrested without recourse at any time, and if the higher risk people happen to correspond to any particular race or political outlook, so be it.
exactly, that’s the real reason for criminalizing anything, if there was any better reason at all to shoot and lock people up just for possessing an object or existing at a location that strategy might have worked once ever by now at actually stopping people from disobeying anyway
Yeah that's exactly how they want it, to punish anyone at any time for anything while criminalizing the right to self defense so you're forced to rely upon the goverment. It's about control, it's not about your safety.
Firearms legislation was introduced after WWI as a direct result of the Bolshevik Revolution, large numbers of discontented veterans newly returned from the war and the government's fear of civil disobedience. This government is arguably the most corrupt and despised government we've had and banning random objects isn't going to make them more popular.
As a Frenchman living in France, therefore submitted to very harsh laws as regards weapons of all kinds, I am pretty puzzled - and a bit proud - to realise I am in fact owning and wielding a weapon of mass destruction every time I walk around the country house with my Africa-made machete in hand, with a view to explaining any surrounding bramble who is boss.
And yet there was a French website selling "training pistols" who would deliver them to the uk in pieces to avoid customs. These were assembled into real 38 calibre pistols.
@@conradswadling8495 - indeed, though I doubt I could buy a semiautomatic 22lr copy of a US M1 carbine like the one I received for my 13th birthday in the 70s.
I'm ex army and now live in Kent after leaving South London some 15yrs ago. I have for the past 10 years been into bushcraft, this has led to me owning not 1 or 2 knifes but quite a few for the purposes of bushcraft including a machete, hatchett and axes. The law is fine as it is but needs to be enforced more severely, not expanding the current legislation. Under the new law my folding saw would be illegal, yet my screwdriver set is more dangerous.
In Sweden, we could legally carry a Claymore in the forest if we wanted. An axe or a machete on the outside of a backpack is a common sight and accepted by all but the militant left. But we do have bears, wolves and wild pigs😂
The law makes criminals out of normal people. Got a leatherman get a criminal record. Bushcraft knife get a criminal record. However a scumbag using a knife gets such a ridiculously lenient sentence .
Policies regarding self-defence/weapons in general need a major reform. When criminals can go out with the expectation that a potential victim will have nothing to defend themselves with they are far more likely to attack someone. The current laws only affect people who wish to carry tools for self defence at all times; criminals only carry weapons on the rare occasions when they go out with the intention of attacking someone, them getting searched with a weapon on them is close to zero. From what I've been told, Poland is a pretty good example of how to do it right. as another comment pointed out, "laws like this just makes criminals out of people who aren't criminals."
Britain has fetishised pacifism. The current law makes you a criminal for taking any measures at all to defend yourself. You HAVE to be a pacifist or else you will be treated WORSE than the aggressor, you will be branded as "taking the law into your own hands" while the predator who hunted you "made bad life choices". When a criminal attacks an ordinary person it's a petty crime. When an ordinary person refuses to be a victim it is a crime against the state. The state would rather deal with victims on a slab in a morgue or a hospital bed than have to make a moral distinction they are incapable of as collectively they have no moral compass.
@@Treblaine I can't emphasize how much I agree with your comment, the country is ran by effete slobs.i myself was (several years ago) attacked by a gang of drunken Neds who where armed with kitchen knives and Stanley knives (that type of weapon) being a retired Royal Marine 42commando I defended myself as best as I could,I was not only arrested and charged but found myself in court facing a bunch of unemployed benefit scrounging wastrels as me being the defendant, unbelievable! although I was found not guilty of the ludicrous charges it still beggars belief
@@jakubczubinski3536 In Poland,you can own a any black powder weapon as long as you're an adult, is that right? And, from what I've been told, as long as you belong to a gun club of some sort and have no criminal record, you can pay for a license and can carry almost any sort of small arm. And yet there is almost no gun crime in Poland, and fewer guns per 100 inhabitants than in the UK (3.3 per 100 people in the UK, and 2.5 in Poland).
@@killbot2006 Drugs are illegal??? Are you sure, strange the local police have not arrested the dealers who park opposite the community centre each night. It was in the local paper so assumed that was free avdertising for the dealers beause its legal. No? OK silly me...
"Due to the increased amount of bludgeonings, we have decided to ban literally anything hard. Everything above the consistency of a marshmallow will now be banned."
There were discussions at one point about kitchen knives being blunt tipped for domestic violence reasons so they can't be used as stabbing implements.
One day, they will and by the looks of it some people will dutifully obey and starve to death in their homes trying to butcher a chicken with a (soon to be banned) rock
@@homeoftheinepttulpagamer Exactly. The terminally-stupid concept of blunting YOUR OWN kitchen knives so that your husband can't stab you with it. (I actually saw a moron woman demonstrating cooking with her knife which had the point ground off). He would simply go out to the shed and grind a new point on it - how about you exercising better judgement as to who you marry? These laws are irrelevant to the problem. Obtain any piece of steel, grind it to shape, glue or screw two pieces of wood to the end as a handle and you have a machete. Machetes are the easiest thing to make and you can never, ever, ban the ability to make a machete. I repeat for the ignorant politicians; YOU CANNOT BAN THE MAKING OF A KNIFE. All that is needed is the immediate deportation of all immigrants who have been found guilty of knife crime and heavy prison sentences for USING a knife (not carrying, that is just a recipe for jailing innocent people caught out by the police).
I used a scythe and a machete to do yard work, paying for my college texts. Politicians tend to seek "solutions" that are dramatic, and "look" like the politicians are "doing their job." The laws are generally ineffective at addressing what they are purported to address. Worse, if we wish to have a "rule of law," then it is critical that the citizenry retain a general respect for the law. Senseless, ineffective laws are a detriment to citizen respect for both the law, and lawmakers.
Totally correct. Having a country where nobody respects the law is probably the most dangerous scenario possible but this is the direction they are heading when they create illogical laws.
Something important relating to the intimidation is that smaller knives, screwdrivers and such are way easier to conceal and is is far easier for people and police to notice and respond to situation far easier when the object is easier to detect thanks to the size of it.
Excellent point. Concealed knives and flick knives were banned specifically because they could be more easily hidden (even though they are on average less dangerous than a kitchen knife). The logical failure is clear here, when they want to now ban an object which is harder to conceal, used far less in crime, and actually less dangerous than a kitchen knife.
Seems like I messed up the grammar pretty badly. I speak Finnish as my first language and English is such a pain when trying to describe something with the very strict word order and amount of words having to be used.
I'm in the USA, and my state has been enacting ever more strange bans on rifles, basically retroactively reclassifying pretty much any modern utility rifle as an illegal "assault rifle". The fact that almost all gun crime is performed with the pistols they already overregulated to the point of being an effective ban seems lost on them. It's "we have to DO SOMETHING" and "think of the children". It's just passing a law because they can, pointless legislation that only negatively effects law abiding hobbyists, collectors, and sporters. When it doesn't do anything to reduce crime, they'll blame it on the law not being national. Even though saying that is admitting that the local law is useless and they always knew it would be. Bizarre.
@@RockModeNickyears ago my state banned Saturday Night Specials, small cheap pistols The governor told me personally that they had no interest in banning other pistols or rifles and shotguns Few years later they banned large expensive “assault pistols”
I’m a bushcrafter/ survivalist…. I’ve enjoyed the outdoors and used the appropriate tools accordingly .. to include.. knives, axes, machetes, hatchets.. etc… they are all tools! … in my 35+ years of doing so I’ve never once used or intended to use any of these tools as weapons!….. I’m an English man who has always abided the law! Why are we being punished and persecuted by our police that we “consent too being policed by” by our so called democracy, when the truth is plainly clear for all to see that the real problem is with a black cultural problem not a knife problem! But everyone is afraid of saying the truth because of the fear of being called racist!! …. The knife is an inert object! The problem is with the person who holds it!….. if we accept the narrative of “knife crime”….then by the same logic we must ban all trucks and vans after the London Bridge attack?? ….. it makes no sense to persecute the innocent law abiding citizen when the real criminals are left above the law by their colour or religion that is different to our native, natural behaviours! .. 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
@@grahamthompson5581 well it would seem that in the uk it's far more reasonable to hack someone up with a machete, stab them with a filet knife, or throw acid in their face. Your right, it's not the crime that matters but the weapon they choose to use. Never-ending that you can never ban enough items to get rid of stabbing or chemistry.
@@grahamthompson5581 though I would like to point out that a prominent blm figure in the uk caught a bullet at a party aimed at abolishing police, which is ironic given the ban on private firearm ownership, the relatively low population of the uk, and the fact that the uk is an island. Even one firearm death should be impossible if you live on an tyrannical island with less total population than the east coast us.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 We had a proper mass shooting in the UK, killing five people, in 2021. There was another (three deaths) in 2012. I didn't bother to check when the last mass shooting in the US was, but I'd be happy to bet it was this week, and the one before that was also this week, and probably the one before that too.
@@andrewditton7226 Life will get worse when we're living on a blasted cinder. But that's now inevitable, so you may be right that we should just accelerate our progress towards annihilation.
Their intention is never to solve anything otherwise what would they campaign on in the future? It's all just an act, like when they said we should send asylum seekers to Ascension island or whatever it was. It was utter nonsense that they never actually ever planned on doing, they just said it to placate some of their voters with the knowledge that it could never actually happen. Let's not forget the Tories promise to reduce immigration every election these days, only to consistently do the exact opposite.
@@jjgourde Government agencies have to enforce it if its on the statute book. The Home Secretary however just gets to fire and forget. The legislation serves no purpose whatsoever when it comes to knife crime, and it doesn't actually deliver much in the way of "control", it just generates inconvenience and cost to all concerned. Its primary purpose is simply to generate favourable headlines by appearing to "get tough" because the situation is an embarrassment. They have no idea how to fix it, and they need to be seen to be doing something... anything. That's all there is to it. Nobody is government is focusing on "control", they are focusing on the wheels not falling off on their watch and their career prospects.
78% of victims were male, 32% were aged between 17 to 24, and 55% were BAME. Ethnic disparities were also evidenced when looking at knife possession. In 2017, 53% of possession of knife suspects were Black, and 37% of all suspects were Black men under the age of 25.
Careful if you start with the stats some wokie will determine that they are deeply racist (or that you are for quoting them) and the likes of Ernesto Elliot are just misunderstood.
Look at some UK police weapons search confiscation pictures. They include all kinds of stuff like cutlery they found on the road and at least once someone's bicycle tire.
@@laurean5998 Plastics are made from fossil fuels, and they want to ban those too, so no plastic utensils for you either. You will be eating with your hands or carved wooden forks and spoons. 😂
@@FoxtrotFleet the utter lack of self awareness they have posting those and acting all big and proud when literally every comment is calling them a bunch of worthless wankers is astounding. Within my lifetime the police have gone from being generally pretty well respected to a complete laughing stock at best and actively despised at worst.
I think it was more than one hole in the blade, so many saws (example panel saw) would be OK. The hole in the handle is not the blade and if there is a single hole near the tip of the blade to hang it, that is just one hole. A hacksaw blade however has a hole at each end to allow it to fit the hacksaw frame, so would be banned. I am not supporting the proposeal, just pointing out how hard it is to define a specific class of objects without including many items not intended
Yup. Also circular saw blades. My table saw, chop saw, and both of my 7 1/4" circular saws are all technically serrated edges and they have a center hole to mount the blade, plus the vast majority of blades how a days have some sort of skeletization or some sort of cuts/holes in the blade. All of my saw blades would be illegal under this law, except my hand saws.
People who've never worked a day in their life struggle to understand the country they've lived in their whole life because they've lived such incredibly pampered lives. Same mindset as "why do we need farms, we get food from shops".
@@Treblaine I saw one person on TV saying that they should ban knives because you buy bread ready sliced in shops. Does this person live off TV dinners?
I knew the owner of the military museum in Guernsey, when laws were introduced to make changes and disable and rearrange the armoury it cost him £-thousands and rendered them unfit for auction. Politicians always posturing yet causing chaos overlooked.
People can't be trusted I think America's a perfect example of that, but poorly worded legislation like this needs to be addressed, too many problems are caused by good intentions
@@valandil7454 People can't be trusted, and government is made up of people. Lets give government more and more authority and then we will all live in a utopia. History is full of authoritarian utopias, that's for sure. I challenge anyone to name one authoritarian government that good for the people living there.
Our politicians can't be trusted. We have a fascist government that is purposely increasing crime and poverty to make voters desperate for more government solutions. In America, gun owners that aren't gang members or drug dealers are the most law abiding people.
@@AllenCrawford3 ...we do know it, our gun violence is out of fucking control. The US has 7x the gun deaths of the EU, and about 4x the number of guns. The EU has about 40% more people.
I have a Machete for Gardening reasons. It is always the same, they never tackle the root causes, we used to take knives to school in 1986, no one ever got stabbed. My advice to the government is tackle the causes, find out what has changed since the 1980s.
@@Jb-tl1yi Since 1997, the passing of the Firearms Amendment Act and the Knives Act 1997 by Jack Straw, followed by subsequent legislations such as the Offensive Weapons Act 2019, and everything in between, have played a significant role in shaping the current situation. These legislative measures, coupled with the challenges posed by open borders, have undoubtedly contributed to the issues at hand. As Richard rightly pointed out, this was not a prevalent problem back in the 1980s. It's worth noting that Margaret Thatcher's tenure had concluded at the start of the 1990s, so it would be fallacious to make sweeping generalisations about an entire generation or their descendants based on personal biases. It is essential to separate individual circumstances and characteristics rather than relying on broad assumptions or personal prejudices.
@@johnmknox Those acts you are quoting are just ammendments to existing legislation enacted in the 1950's and 1960's which is the period I grew up in. As for not a problem during the 1980's he is wrong, that is when it did start becoming a noticable problem, hence why all the various ammendments were made. I saw first hand the general changes in people attitudes and behaviours during her tenure which has continued to this day.
Christians and Jews, that's what changed. They've become ever more militant with their corruption of our youth. We need a strong leader like Hadrian to save our country and solve the Christian Question, not that we'll get one :/
It’s interesting that now in August 2024 it’s really difficult to find bushcraft knifes for sale in the U.K. now? So the legislation has already taken effect and the law doesn’t apply until September 2024.
All bans do is make life harder for law abiding citizens . In some countries they torture people with chainsaws , these tools have only one very important use would the UK ban these too ? Absolute barmy !
yes the UK would ban them; they would say, "what use does a normal person have for a chainsaw? Besides, cutting down trees is bad for climate change anyway!" (unless we do it to put up grotesque 5G masts) F the UK.
I guess after pointy sticks they proceed to ban bananas, raspberries and pineapples. And if dropping a 16 ton weight and releasing the tiger won't work, they will wire themselves to 200 tons of gelignite.
Don't give them ideas. There have previously been proposals to ban kitchen knives. Many people don't need them and can buy readymeals instead. You can however do some serious damage with a spork. But some sticks have already been banned. I wanted to make a walking stick that would also serve to meet government recommended social distancing rules. So a 2m walking stick that aguably could be described as a quarter staff. They're practical, and common sense would suggest they only become offensive if I hit someone with it. But that could also be defensive, and thus legal. But under this proposal, it would seem illegal for me to possess the means of production. So a saw would be illegal, as would a draw knife. I suppose if I were intent on crime, I could always 3D print a synthetic one.
Its the usual case of creating laws but preventing effective or efficient enforcement of them. Making something illegal whilst simultaneously creating policies that prevent the police from acting (such as searching etc). The general population by large will comply with the rules and laws but those already involved in criminal activities will continue to do so, worse still with the lack of enforcement they will become much more active in carrying and using dangerous weapons. The easiest targets, such as the hobbiest or person unaware of changes will likely fall afoul of the enforcement instead.
@@homeoftheinepttulpagamer They're not preventing searching though. Braverman has given the police powers similar to the odious 'Sus laws' of the 1980s allowing them to stop and search without even a suspicion of the target to be carrying a weapon. The Public Order Bill currently going through the house after rejection because Braverman tried to add secondary addedums that had been rejected by judicial scrutiny looks to give them even MORE powers. - to enter homes etc without knowledge or evidence. This is with an 11% success rate in stop and search leading to arrest... (see government's own figures).
This has been the argument in the U.S.A. with firearms. The firearms that are used in the most crimes, and in the most cases of murder are not what they are going after, they are going after the big scary looking ones that make up less than 1% of all murder. Politicians seem to know that they cannot tackle the underlying reasons for violence, and that many of their policies increase the likely hood of crime, so they do a big show to make it look like they actually care. If someone was to be walking in public with a machete, axe, or sword, the police would immediately be able to identify that person as a potential threat, whereas a small kitchen knife hidden in a pocket raises no alarm. We know which item a person would choose as the more effective weapon for murder or a burglary. It is not about stopping crime; it is about making it look like the government is doing something about it.
It astounds me that Americans argue so much over gun crime and both parties spend 0 time talking about stopping gang violence. There are shootouts in Chicago every day and if you call the police they don't do shit about it. Some parts of the US are basically lawless the police are so incompetent. They spend trillions on their military yet they somehow have nobody to fight against gangs of armed criminals walking around left wing cities where guns are already banned.
I worked in the Caribbean for a decade, and there was always plenty of coconuts around and a big ol machete with a hole in the blade hanging off a nail;- because coconuts don't have ringpulls! They were ubiquitous / omni-present. Criminals didn't carry them - their size made them too obvious...
UK and Canada: you can't carry even a pepper spray Poland and CZ: you can carry a firearm CA murder rate per 100000: 2.0 UK murder rate per 100000: 1.0 PL/CZ murder rate per 100000: 0.7
@@artful1967 all the ones that strip people of the ability to use tools yes. Why on earth would you allow a group of bureaucrats and politicians to make laws deciding who can and who cannot use certain tools? You were born a man and you just decide to flush half your autonomy because the government tells you that knives are scary. Yeah good for you.
@@patpowers9210 do you comprehend how utterly moronic your comment is? He's obviously railing against prohibiting tools and items based on crime statistics, but feel free to bend your knee harder for the powers that be. You look really cool throwing people hints about how they should give up everyday items as well as any means to self defense and their life long hobbies because the government is too cheap and lazy to do actual police work.
@@artful1967 You might have to, seeing that 3d printing in getting better each year. You will have settle for education instead of prohibition sooner or later.
Fighting symptoms with actionism instead of analyzing the causes and actually working out solutions... politicians and bureaucrats are the same everywhere. Greetings from germany.
Actionism is a fantastic term I have never heard before. I will probably start to use it going forward. Unfortunately, pointing out problems is much easier than coming up with solutions, and there are elections to win. Much easier to pander and fearmonger.
Here in Norway they banned machetes and knifes that has a blade length over 25cm. After huge protests they had to change the law. Now it say you can buy and own them if you have them for a good reason like gardening.... So dont give up fighting for your rights 👍
The huge problem I see here is that politicians are experts in law, and not experts in crime, weaponry, or technology. It is the same problem here in the USA. I would think that it would be wise for the honorable ladies and gentlemen of the legislatures in both our nations to listen to those of the citizenry who are expert and trained in those areas in which they are ignorant, it being an axiom that I believe both our nations hold that the people are the ultimate source of the government's power. May providence smile on both our countries as we put forward the truth as a foundation for all government action. Thanks Matt for putting your voice forward as an expert in your field. Good luck.
What do you mean by ‘tinfoil hat’ please? Where exactly is all this knife crime too, fortunately we don’t see any, ahem, except we do hear about it on R4.
With everyone from around the world flooding the UK , many of whom don't share our values - it's no surprise violent crime and Tapes shoot up All they're doing is making law abiding citizens more vunerable. Criminals don't care about the law.
UK Gov: "We need to fight knife crime!" UK People: "Does that mean more police funding? Does it mean actively punishing anti-social behaviour, arresting yob children instead of just ignoring them, and tougher sentencing for criminals?" UK Gov: "No. It means adding a list of objects to a ban list... those ideas of yours are just silly. We can't arrest kids or be stricter on crime."
Have previous bans ever made a differences to knife crime statistics? If not then why continue with a failing policy? As you mentioned we need to look at underlying causes.
No, a police force which doesn't understand the different between law and order and corruption makes people easier targets. I could harm someone with a piece of paper if I put my mind on it. And, anyway, there is gun ownership and there is 'gun ownership'.
I am a early medieval reenactor and avid bushcrafter so things like reenactment swords and machetes are part and parcel of my hobbies and banning them would seriously hurt me doing the things I love
I concur, as a leather worker lots of tools I use are indirectly affected by these ill thought out ideas. Rather than complying with stupid UK specific rulings Etsy have stopped selling anything with a blade. This has cut my access to certain bladed tools I use, some of which cannot be found in the UK. It’s infuriating
yeah many bushcrafters opt for a big wacker blade, and then a smaller second blade for detailed work. UK is so over, just move to a better country, let this whole shithouse go up in flames...
Your frustration was felt in Norway too. They tried in 2020/21 to ban 'large knives' with just the sort of implications you described. Fencing, antiques dealers and reenactment clubs all drafted similar responses to the effect that the whole proposed draft had to be redacted with a hefty amount of exceptions of usage for 'honorable' usage such as culture, sport, hobby, work. Meaning the whole machette ban was essentially useless - anyone who wants one can just says he needs it for gardening or culture. But I dont think the exceptions would have been in the legislation there had not several clubs reacted; I think you'll end up with the same situation in the UK.
The slippery slope fallacy is that just because you tread a slippery slope that you will always slip and fall down it. The slippery slope fact is that you are extremely like to slip and fall, so doing it is inherently very dangerous. If you run with scissors, you won't always trip and fall and stab yourself in the throat. There is a fair chance that you may fall and a fair chance that if you do fall, it will be on the scissors, and a fair chance the scissors will go through your neck. #Logic
@@iratezombiemann Thomas Jefferson thought it was too late for America shortly before he died. If that's the case. the UK probably isn't going to fare much better.
For this reason I´m glad that I live in Czech Republic where we can carry whatever knife we want to. Policemen can´t punish us for only carrying knives (or gun with the gun license).
Thank you Matt for bringing this to our attention. Your response is very well thought out and logical, therefore I fear it will be totally ignored by the politicians behind this proposed legislation. They only want to be seen to be doing something and banning common tools is much easier than tackling the social issues behind knife crime.
This is great. You see this a lot in the US as well regarding both knives and guns. The main issues are twofold: 1. The bans end up banning regular items. 2. Most of what is banned are items which cause almost no crime, while the items that are used most for crimes are or banned and are essentially un-ban-able. Politicians seem to just ban things on a whim, in a way that only really harms the average citizen.
Ah yes. Instead of having law enforcement actually enforce the laws against violence that already exist (like how they do against mean words) and having judges sentence violent offenders properly, let's just add more laws for crim's to ignore at the detriment to the public.
The best way to get the police to come quickly appears to be say someone has a camera. Call them and say someone's got a knife and they maybe out next Thursday, unless they get an emergency call about a drone being flown legally.
How would you go about doing that? And there are ways in which people can hurt others surrepticiously and which the police are evidently too stupid to comprehend. We don't live in a utopia. And building a world of policies only leads to a brick-wall, not a 'free' world.
Did banning work last time? No? Then someone should be held accountable for the ridiculous choice to try the same ineffectual thing again. #responsibility
@@hyperboreanforeskin Funny because every time there's a stabbing where I live it's been by a white person. It's almost like race has f.a to do with it.
@@paulfrost8952 Knife crime has not particularly increased by pre-existing demographics. The increases are mostly from new demographics and thus predominantly along certain racial lines. To suggest this, especially given the groups in question, is interpreted as racist by a significant amount of the mainstream narrative in both recent jurisprudence and mainstream media.
The proposed legislation doesn't need rewording, it needs to be scrapped completely along with the disastrous and utterly failed legislation it seeks to amend. I will respond to the consultation but I fear the legisltators are almost completely impervious to reason.
The UK Government is proposing bans on types of machete and large knife. You have until 6 June 2023 to respond to the consultation: www.matt-easton.co.uk/UK-machete-law
In the link above, you can see my response (also read in this video). I strongly urge you to send your views to them as soon as possible.
It’s a nightmare in your country. The government has run amok there….
@@LegionTacticoolCutlery It's ok Trump is going to jail!
How many times does government action have to do more harm than good before you stop and think, hmm perhaps the harm is the intended effect?’ Purposefully making the streets less safe as an excuse to grab for power is a tactic as old as government.
Matt that response really needs to go to each constituency MP, especially of the governing party, hand delivered to them at a surgery by a constituent. This is necessary for maximum effect.
You should just move to a nation that gives its citizens the legal right to own weapons. Like here in America.
Addressing problems is hard, banning things is easy.
Call that a knife?
Spot on.
yep. A quick action so they can say to the public, 'look we are doing something about it,' so they can reel off what they have achieved when elections come round.
They should ban the people responsible from entering the country
Well said!
Have they already tried banning "knife crime"? What happens when tire iron crime increases? Hammers? Torque wrenches? Axe handles? Cricket bats? Croquet mallets? A bag filled with rocks?
The danger isn't, and never will be, the object - it's the attacker.
Tell your M.P.
@@skysurferuk I don't have a machine pistol, I have a handgun.
They "banned" guncrime by making most firearms illegal and the few left available almost impossible to legally own. coincidentally guncrime is at a 20+ year high and rising.
@@skysurferuk Some headbanger Tory! LMAO They WANT conflict. It allows them to sneakily pass ever more Draconian laws to take away our ability to curtail their power. The other lot are no better with an ex DPP at the helm.
@@Gothmetalhead13 Funny how that works. Once upon a time I lived in Chicago, leaving was one of the best moves I ever made.
Laws like this just makes criminals out of people who aren't criminals.
They need to produce more British criminals to make crime statistics less racist.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Yes!
You act like this isn't the point of these laws. When everybody doing normal everyday things is a criminal, anybody can be arrested at any time and sent away to prison. Then all the government needs is maliciously-motivated selective enforcement of the law and they have a "mechanism" to make any "problem" citizen disappear. Oh look that common gardening tool 80% of the country owns becomes a weapon that a felony to possess... Were you aware you are now supposed to go through your shed and throw out half your things?
The USA has been doing this for over 100 years. Its why EVERY US citizen commits at least 4-10 federal felonies a day just minding their own business thinking they are following the law. They have an infinity of "letter of the law" regulations that don't require mens rhea to trigger felony imprisonment that are often contradictory, thus even attempting to comply with one inherently violates another. Thus the ONLY way to avoid prison in the US while being anything but blindly irrelevant and obedient, is to be rich and connected to the pollical elite so that prosecution is "waved" because you are "too important to jail", which is exactly what they want: tyrannical, exclusive rule of the insider network.
Rights and freedoms are a lie. In a Western nation they just put you in a cage with transparent bars, as opposed to an Eastern nation where they like to make the bars thick and out of very heavy iron to remind their people.
Idiot lawmakers like this...make the real criminals laugh hysterically!
A friend's mother gave him a bag containing mangos and avocados along with a little paring knife well wrapped up in tissue paper. The police stopped and searched my friend . Finding the knife my friend and his elderly mother found themselves in court over this trivia. My friend's mother died while waiting to go to court. The good judge threw the knife aside asking the police "whats this " . Case dismissed. Breaks my heart to think my friend's mother spent he last days worrying about this court case. 😢
When will people realise that politicians don’t care about ‘the people’?
That's a shame
I had an aunt, a little old Italian lady, that got caught in the airport with hard Romano cheese, pepperoni, some crackers and a small kitchen knife. It got ugly for a while.
that is a sad story sorry to hear of a victim to moral panic... i guess that's the untold other side of this when we tolerate people who basicly i think use it so they can get on the radio/tv/write some article and try to stoke up moral panic making a job for themself
This idea that banning things means criminals will comply continues to amaze me.
Something is only illegal IF you get caught 😕
It suggests more attention and funding will be given to it
Fwoooosh!
Its a facade, the real purpose is to put restrictions on the civilians.
exactly, its the criminal not the tools used!
I worked for Medway Council for approximately 14 years cutting grass, tending shrub beds, flower beds and hedges, the most common weapons that I have found hidden during that 14 years has been cheap kitchen knives, screwdrivers and chisels, inexpensive throw away weapons.
Yes. Quite true. I've seen one attack of a man using a machete and that was over 20 years ago. Attacks using machetes are so rare.
@@barongerhardt so is a large stick with Stanley blades attached to it.
You are right. I hope UK government makes notice and bans all metal working, plastic and trees too. Damn, someone might use a rope to commit a crime. Ban farming as well. We can not have people throwing apples at each other. I wonder when will they ban arms and legs.
@@nanorider426 Not in the north east . I know of 5 attacks but that is not a good enough reason to ban them as the criminals will still keep them
I have a machete and live in a van, often on windswept moor tops. Now the data would say otherwise but if I'm watching The Shining or something under a new moon, I find cradling my machete quite comforting. ...If a hand comes round my van's back doors,I'm keeping it!
Proposal two is the real danger. The ability to come into your home on a completely unrelated matter, then seize any item that they see, which they think might have the potential to be used in a crime, presumably at some unspecified time in the future. That's some serious overreach right there.
this part
If they arrived in a vehicle then they need to be reported because they "could have been, or might be about to" drive dangerously. This is rapidly heading to thought crimes.
I think that's classed as burglary !
@@CrusaderSports250 a protestor was done in London recently when she admitted to thinking about doing something that was illegal. She hadn't done a thing but was still arrested. This has happened a few times recently and to an ex-police officer, retired who used to know the law.
Not only that one of the questions in their survey indicates that you may not even have the right to go to court to get your property back
As a youngster living in an area where older youths were reputed to be violent and carried knives, I was taught how to seriously wound an attacker with rolled up newspapers, shopping bags, pens, pencils, fallen branches and, if attacked in a shop, a variety of goods at hand including tins of produce. Fifty years later, I have only ever had to use any of this twice to defend myself from attacks. Does this mean that next to be banned will be newspapers and tins of beans?
We need to ban the assault beans. Too dangerous I say.
ridiculous comment.
Imagine the UK government producing an effective well thought out policy that would have a positive effect.
A man can dream
I tried, it didnt work
They had one.
The rounded up criminals and shipped them off to Australia
@@nicoleking772 that was awhile ago, when we had brave people as politicians.
They could start with the immigration policy. That is responsible for most of the knife crime.
keep voting conservative though, they'll sort it out eventually!
It's not about tools, it never has been. It's about control.
It's about optics. Media says "We must do something about knife crime!". So politicians jump on their bandwagons and get tough on crime. Has to be worth a few votes, right? One of my former MPs did this. Much publicity about his tough stance on knife crime and banning offensive weapons, yet he had a kukri prominently displayed in his office. A gift from the large Nepalese community he represented. Sometimes.
@@brolohalflemming7042 not importing violent criminals would be a nice place to start. to have listened to people 10-15 years ago who warned them would have been much better. instead of blaming their own decisions they find a scapegoat in inanimate objects. a mindset so dumb it can only be liberal
Stabbing someone is illegal. Doesn't seem to bother the criminals.
and yet countries that have strict gun and knife laws have far lower murder and assault rates with such weapons. It's almost like there is a correlation between a weapon's legality and how often it is used to commit crimes.
@@dgmt1 But do they? Here in the U.S., the places with the strictest weapons regulations have the largest share of violent crime, at least according to the FBI's annual violent crime reports.
@@dgmt1 Tell the victims of murder by 'such weapons ' that they're less dead than being bludgeoned by a club or a stone . A weak woman or an old person can defend themselves with a gun against a tough young man wielding a melee weapon .
@@Lyulfr Sorry you have got cause and effect mixed up....These places were already hot spots of violent crime and the strict laws are a reaction to try to limit this behavior. A simple test of your logic would be to remove all weapons regulations in those places and see what happened to the violent crime statistics wanna guess if they go up or down?
@@victorwaddell6530 really? but in reality no. unless they are walking around with the gun ready to fire an old or weak person is unlikely to be able to access the gun, aim and fire before the young tough man closes the distance....and now the criminal has a gun. Oh and BTW there is no point telling a murder victim anything ...they can't hear you...they're dead.
As a chef, the kitchen knife argument is the one that always gets me regarding this kind of thing. And I completely agree with your statements in this video.
I have some quite substantial chef knives at home and work that are about 9 inches/23cm long, and about 3 inches/7cm at the widest part. It's kept extremely sharp and is by design and is very effective at cutting through flesh and even bone, as is their intended purpose.
Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that this absolutely does make a very effective weapon. To change the design in some way to make it safer would render it useless for the intended task. To ban it entirely would be ridiculous and make the task of say, chopping an onion for example... tricky to say the least.
No matter what more "intimidating" looking blades they ban, such as a machete, a kitchen knife has and always will be the easiest to acquire "weapon" for a criminal seeking to utilise it as such.
I get it, a large machete looks aggressive. It's intimidating and that's why they are used by criminals, but practically, a kitchen knife is more effective at actually inflicting fatal wounds. Banning these other types of blade absolutely does encourage criminals to use a more effective "weapon", the kitchen knife.
Not because they care if what they have is banned or not, of course they don't, but because it's far easier and convenient to acquire or justify owning something that isn't banned. No police officer would question why you own multiple large kitchen knives in a drawer in a kitchen. Why would they, without some other reason or evidence to suspect you?
I don't claim I know how to solve a complex issue such as knife crime, but it is clear the solution isn't to ban more tools and display pieces that genuine workers and hobbyists use responsibly. This just makes everyone BUT the criminals lives harder. The ones these rulings are intended to stop. The criminals will just use a large knife you can buy in a supermarket instead.
Should we ban kitchen knives? Of course not, then we have to ban every other tool or piece of equipment that has the potential to be used to harm another person. Then no one can do their job or perform basic household tasks.
As ever, it's not the fault of the tool itself, It never is. It's the individual who makes a decision to use it irresponsibly or harm others with it.
Same story with an array of power and hand tools for all kinds of manual work. A tire iron, crowbar, hammer, saw, even a car. We can't very well ban any of these things for obvious reasons.
It's the intention with which these things are misused and the reasons why people make the decision to do so that needs attention.
This is ridiculous, I'm a horticulturalist and my job requires the usage of machete and bill hooks to lay hedges.
Wth.... I need absolutely zero convincing.
Better not use ones with serrated edges or more than one hole in it, criminal scum.
I'm in the same boat. I own a wood, I manage the wood. Looking at the deifnition, this legislation could even cover bow saws - it's ludicrous.
I was disappointed to see the consultation doesn't appear to have been directly sent to my heritage craft or rural societies either.
Yeah I teach a little bushcraft and there's plenty of woodland in Bristol, so I often carry a bow saw openly, with axes and other tools in a rucksack.
I also collect kukris, so the large bent knives bill was annoying enough, without making any other bushcraft tools illegal.
What about buying a replacement bow saw blade?
I hope the government have informed the criminals that machetes and large knives are banned, otherwise we might have a problem.
Yeah the criminals are shaking in their boots and they must comply with the law or else lol
Criminals are turning in their machetes and large knives, as we speak
ITs to push the public to accept stop and search from the state drones.
Look dickhead. If you can make it more difficult to actually obtain these items it might make it less likely that those weapons are used.
@@nicoleking772 I want you to imagine a theif pulling out a Machete on you on the street, you would give him all you have, still funny is it ??? when the Judge say's and for carrying a large Machete weapon I add 5 years to your sentence then yes it would stop them!!
Apparently they did this a few years ago in Norway. Didn't know I had something illegal until someone pointed it out recently. Why make it illegal? Gangs use them. You know, the same gangs who also use illegal automatic rifles that you can't even legally obtain in Norway.
they don't want to actually solve the problem and close the country to third world shitheads
Just because criminals have something doesn't mean you should legalise them
At least the Norwegian law has exceptions and defences built into it.
@@NameHere2243 - Gr8 b8 m8
@NameHere2243 what an ignorant comment. No matter what you ban criminals are going to break the law. You should not limit law abiding peoples activities because of a few bad people.
ban more stuff - arrests and confiscations go up - money rolls in - graphs go up - police and government pat each other on back job well done!
Sounds like a 1984 nightmare
Completely agree - there was a gangland stabbing in Bristol a couple of weeks ago; the perpetrators just went into a Tesco and bought a couple of kitchen knives. If criminals want to go and cause harm to someone, they'll find a way, and this stuff just punishes everyone else.
Tell your M.P.
Were they British? Aka of European descent? Don't worry, I already know the answer
@@makerealitygreatagain8809 They were indeed of European descent, though they've been brainwashed by the Jewish / Christian propaganda just like the rest of this country.
So your answer is to do absolutely f%ck all?
@@makerealitygreatagain8809 Moving to Spain
Sadly, it's clearer now more than ever that the objective of new legislation isn't to seek solutions, as proposals very rarely align with or simply fly in the face of common sense.
Instead new proposals are jockeyed in order to gradually expand government authority and actionable power.
It's just a PR move, they don't know what to do to solve the problem (which to be fair is incredibly complex), but they need to do something to get the pressure off. So they pass these silly laws (the same thing happens in the US constantly).
@@devildante9 PR is part of the problem. If you save a child from a wild animal you'll get about 5 minutes on the news. Turn a Homeless person's life around by giving them a job and a place to live? You MIGHT get a full news segment.
But if you go on a violent rampage that results in multiple deaths, high levels of property damage, and is only resolved by police using lethal force? They will talk about you for WEEKS!!! Picture on screen for everyone to see, your life story, interviews with your family and neighbors. The whole shabang.
THAT is why crime is so hard to control. Because it's monetized by the F-ing news broadcasters and the criminals are instant celebrities.
@@devildante9 The problem isn't particularly complex to solve, but any attempt to solve it would be racist.
Ancient law prohibits government from such illegal actions. The criminals are in the halls of government and the people need to take back their ceded powers post haste.
@@trevorh6438 Ancient laws mean nothing if the people in power choose to ignore them, law itself is only law when enforced.
"We want to stop knife crime."
"Also, screw gardeners in particular."
lol
Gardeners and wood workers/carpenters.
A circular saw blade/chop saw blade/table saw blade/radial arm saw blade are all long serrated edges with more than one hole in them.
Don't forget the chefs too, they are known to use large knives too.
i love how the british knife debate sounds just like the us gun debate
Only the criminals will be authorized to have weapons.
Well no, they won't be authorised to have them, will they. But they *won't care* that they aren't allowed to have them.
If screw drivers are outlawed then only criminals will have screw drivers
Importing millions of foreign, fighting-age men then banning the last few things that people might use to actually defend themselves 🤔 Hmm...how curiously coincidental 🤔
They already are ! They have Battons, Tazers, Hand guns, Automatic rifles, Handcuffs, and frequently break the laws MEANT to protect the PUBLIC.
One only needs to look at recent history of rapes , murders, shootings etc purpertrated by the former mentioned criminal gang.
Will I have my V.A.T. refunded or compensation for any seized legally purchased articals that infringe these restrictions.?
Or the government
If you ban all weapons but keep the unsafe people, you change nothing about the safety of the streets.
As a Brit living in Germany I find what is happening in the UK is mad. My partner and I are involved in LARP and often travel by train and bus to medieval festivals. The amount of people, including us, adorned with swords, knives, axes, daggers, bow and arrows on public transport and walking to the event is huge, and there is absolutely no issue with it at all. This seems impossible to do in the UK.
bow and arrows is a hobby, people have to travel to get to events and training and not all have a car so public transport it is. it was law in England that we had to practice long bow don't know if still is but what i can find out - The English Archery Law of the 13th century ensured that English men would be come experts with the bow and arrow. In 1252 the 'Assize of Arms' ensured that all Englishmen were ordered, by law, that every man between the age of 15 to 60 years old should equip themselves with a bow and arrows. old-fashioned rules that still technically remain but not forced on citizens
Larp weapons look real but they are not real weapons as they are made up of a rod core surrounded by foam and covered in laytex. Made for hitting each other with no serious harm caused.
To be fair, I attended a public fete in Northumberland dressed in my harness and carrying a, sharp rondel, a pollaxe and a longsword. The police were great and took selfies (I also had a net sack full of very realistic severed heads which dripped fake blood). The laws in Britain (used) to be excellent because they were entirely contextual. So wearing this, at a festival celebrating both our bloody town's history and Halloween, was entirely acceptable. Whereas if I went to a pub, at night time with a rondel.. then I would be in real trouble.
@@venataciamoon2789 Not in Germany. The swords and axes are blunt, but they are made from metal.
@@AJGeeTV Ok, that confused me because we call the real weapons "battle re-inactment" and larp is the fantasy system. I had a friend who used the metal swords and armour. Came in handy for a friend's wedding as it looked very cool.
When i bought a cutlery set i had to show ID to prove im over 18. The shop assistant said children couldn't buy cutlery due to the blade length, but he could sell them chainsaws as each individual cutting edge being under 3 inches. This is a very weird country
"Popular and legal activities." All things are legal until they are criminalized or banned. It is the inclination to legislate that is the problem.
Lawyers and Politicians (lawyers that transitioned fully to the dark side) are the problem. They are the sole-source for passing a law, but are also susceptible to corruption without review.
Exactly. A "law-abiding citizen" is just someone that does as they're told. And with the rampant corruption in our governments, the laws are somewhat suspect. I'd rather cohabitate with moral people than law-abiding ones.
We need to ban the government.
All these bannings, but the streets continually get less safe... Strange.
Allahu Ackbar!
A great example is the sunny state of California. Northern California is now almost a wasteland.
It's almost as if criminals don't follow laws, imagine that.
It's weird how disarming all but the criminals in society and then failing to properly punish the latter somehow results in increasing violence...
Its almost like the root cause of the problems hasn't been understood, or it is understood but not acknowledged.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero
Oy vey!
this quote should be on every bus stop banner. And stay there until nwo is stopped and traitors and their masters punished
You live in a fantasy world, son. You are exactly the sort of person we need protecting from, you are a nutjob.
Who are the traitors in this case?
If you have the intent, anything can be used as a weapon.
You cannot conceal carry a machete.
I can't help but feel that this is part of a nefarious plan to disarm everybody to prevent anyone who may wish to dissent to planned future tyranny.
These days it seems that politicians are “ electing “themselves .
This is the gun argument in knives. I support you. Don't go after an object go after the people that are criminals.
We've been saying this in the US for decades in concern to the 2nd Amendment, yet Liberal Socialists turn a blind eye.
@@nicoleking772 Yep. The solution is obvious. We've got Christians ruining our country, just like they ruined the Great Empire of Rome. Back in Rome, it was fine under Nero and Hadrian when the Chrissies were kept under check, and then Constantine came along and ruined it. It's the exact same now, Biden and Boris have completely ignored the Christian Question.
This is just like the protesting ban. Incredibly broad ranging with police discretion as to where to apply it, meaning anyone can be arrested without recourse at any time, and if the higher risk people happen to correspond to any particular race or political outlook, so be it.
exactly, this country is rapdily descending into authoritarianism at a horrifying rate
exactly, that’s the real reason for criminalizing anything, if there was any better reason at all to shoot and lock people up just for possessing an object or existing at a location that strategy might have worked once ever by now at actually stopping people from disobeying anyway
Yeah that's exactly how they want it, to punish anyone at any time for anything while criminalizing the right to self defense so you're forced to rely upon the goverment. It's about control, it's not about your safety.
Firearms legislation was introduced after WWI as a direct result of the Bolshevik Revolution, large numbers of discontented veterans newly returned from the war and the government's fear of civil disobedience. This government is arguably the most corrupt and despised government we've had and banning random objects isn't going to make them more popular.
The term is "anarcho-tyranny."
As a Frenchman living in France, therefore submitted to very harsh laws as regards weapons of all kinds, I am pretty puzzled - and a bit proud - to realise I am in fact owning and wielding a weapon of mass destruction every time I walk around the country house with my Africa-made machete in hand, with a view to explaining any surrounding bramble who is boss.
Le Boss, I think it's more of a sneaky attempt to ban guillotines, just in case...
the laws in france allow a lot more than in britain, mec
And yet there was a French website selling "training pistols" who would deliver them to the uk in pieces to avoid customs. These were assembled into real 38 calibre pistols.
@@conradswadling8495 - indeed, though I doubt I could buy a semiautomatic 22lr copy of a US M1 carbine like the one I received for my 13th birthday in the 70s.
I'm ex army and now live in Kent after leaving South London some 15yrs ago. I have for the past 10 years been into bushcraft, this has led to me owning not 1 or 2 knifes but quite a few for the purposes of bushcraft including a machete, hatchett and axes.
The law is fine as it is but needs to be enforced more severely, not expanding the current legislation.
Under the new law my folding saw would be illegal, yet my screwdriver set is more dangerous.
In Sweden, we could legally carry a Claymore in the forest if we wanted. An axe or a machete on the outside of a backpack is a common sight and accepted by all but the militant left. But we do have bears, wolves and wild pigs😂
The law makes criminals out of normal people. Got a leatherman get a criminal record. Bushcraft knife get a criminal record. However a scumbag using a knife gets such a ridiculously lenient sentence .
Policies regarding self-defence/weapons in general need a major reform. When criminals can go out with the expectation that a potential victim will have nothing to defend themselves with they are far more likely to attack someone. The current laws only affect people who wish to carry tools for self defence at all times; criminals only carry weapons on the rare occasions when they go out with the intention of attacking someone, them getting searched with a weapon on them is close to zero. From what I've been told, Poland is a pretty good example of how to do it right.
as another comment pointed out, "laws like this just makes criminals out of people who aren't criminals."
Britain has fetishised pacifism.
The current law makes you a criminal for taking any measures at all to defend yourself. You HAVE to be a pacifist or else you will be treated WORSE than the aggressor, you will be branded as "taking the law into your own hands" while the predator who hunted you "made bad life choices".
When a criminal attacks an ordinary person it's a petty crime. When an ordinary person refuses to be a victim it is a crime against the state.
The state would rather deal with victims on a slab in a morgue or a hospital bed than have to make a moral distinction they are incapable of as collectively they have no moral compass.
@@Treblaine I can't emphasize how much I agree with your comment, the country is ran by effete slobs.i myself was (several years ago) attacked by a gang of drunken Neds who where armed with kitchen knives and Stanley knives (that type of weapon) being a retired Royal Marine 42commando I defended myself as best as I could,I was not only arrested and charged but found myself in court facing a bunch of unemployed benefit scrounging wastrels as me being the defendant, unbelievable! although I was found not guilty of the ludicrous charges it still beggars belief
Many people in Poland carry black powder revolvers as EDC. Legally😇
@@jakubczubinski3536 In Poland,you can own a any black powder weapon as long as you're an adult, is that right?
And, from what I've been told, as long as you belong to a gun club of some sort and have no criminal record, you can pay for a license and can carry almost any sort of small arm.
And yet there is almost no gun crime in Poland, and fewer guns per 100 inhabitants than in the UK (3.3 per 100 people in the UK, and 2.5 in Poland).
@@UmbrellaGent How many non-Polish immigrants are in Poland right now?
I'm sure the criminals who already carry knives around will follow this law this time!
Just like they did when drugs were made illegal...
@@killbot2006 Drugs are illegal??? Are you sure, strange the local police have not arrested the dealers who park opposite the community centre each night. It was in the local paper so assumed that was free avdertising for the dealers beause its legal. No? OK silly me...
Just like criminals in the US do with regards to f!re@rms
"Due to the increased amount of bludgeonings, we have decided to ban literally anything hard. Everything above the consistency of a marshmallow will now be banned."
You joke, but that day is coming!
Banning anything hard!..oh well, I shouldn't fret as I'm getting on now and it's more akin to trying to 'shoot pool with a bit of rope' 😱🤣🤣
@@malthus101 banning anything hard...and the day is coming that coming is coming to an end (that made my 🧠 hurt a little 🤣🤣🍆🚫
UK Govt: "So what I hear you saying, is we should ban kitchen knives."
There were discussions at one point about kitchen knives being blunt tipped for domestic violence reasons so they can't be used as stabbing implements.
One day, they will and by the looks of it some people will dutifully obey and starve to death in their homes trying to butcher a chicken with a (soon to be banned) rock
Part of the plan to reduce everyone to M&S ready-meals
@@alexanderhowarth6876 😅 chickens there won't be any to stone in the future. 😂
@@homeoftheinepttulpagamer
Exactly. The terminally-stupid concept of blunting YOUR OWN kitchen knives so that your husband can't stab you with it. (I actually saw a moron woman demonstrating cooking with her knife which had the point ground off). He would simply go out to the shed and grind a new point on it - how about you exercising better judgement as to who you marry?
These laws are irrelevant to the problem. Obtain any piece of steel, grind it to shape, glue or screw two pieces of wood to the end as a handle and you have a machete. Machetes are the easiest thing to make and you can never, ever, ban the ability to make a machete. I repeat for the ignorant politicians; YOU CANNOT BAN THE MAKING OF A KNIFE. All that is needed is the immediate deportation of all immigrants who have been found guilty of knife crime and heavy prison sentences for USING a knife (not carrying, that is just a recipe for jailing innocent people caught out by the police).
I used a scythe and a machete to do yard work, paying for my college texts. Politicians tend to seek "solutions" that are dramatic, and "look" like the politicians are "doing their job." The laws are generally ineffective at addressing what they are purported to address. Worse, if we wish to have a "rule of law," then it is critical that the citizenry retain a general respect for the law. Senseless, ineffective laws are a detriment to citizen respect for both the law, and lawmakers.
Totally correct. Having a country where nobody respects the law is probably the most dangerous scenario possible but this is the direction they are heading when they create illogical laws.
Theedorrian - what I can't use my Scythe ? What next ?
Tweezers ?
Something important relating to the intimidation is that smaller knives, screwdrivers and such are way easier to conceal and is is far easier for people and police to notice and respond to situation far easier when the object is easier to detect thanks to the size of it.
Excellent point. Concealed knives and flick knives were banned specifically because they could be more easily hidden (even though they are on average less dangerous than a kitchen knife). The logical failure is clear here, when they want to now ban an object which is harder to conceal, used far less in crime, and actually less dangerous than a kitchen knife.
This!
Seems like I messed up the grammar pretty badly. I speak Finnish as my first language and English is such a pain when trying to describe something with the very strict word order and amount of words having to be used.
I'm in the USA, and my state has been enacting ever more strange bans on rifles, basically retroactively reclassifying pretty much any modern utility rifle as an illegal "assault rifle". The fact that almost all gun crime is performed with the pistols they already overregulated to the point of being an effective ban seems lost on them. It's "we have to DO SOMETHING" and "think of the children".
It's just passing a law because they can, pointless legislation that only negatively effects law abiding hobbyists, collectors, and sporters.
When it doesn't do anything to reduce crime, they'll blame it on the law not being national. Even though saying that is admitting that the local law is useless and they always knew it would be. Bizarre.
@@RockModeNickyears ago my state banned Saturday Night Specials, small cheap pistols
The governor told me personally that they had no interest in banning other pistols or rifles and shotguns
Few years later they banned large expensive “assault pistols”
I’m a bushcrafter/ survivalist…. I’ve enjoyed the outdoors and used the appropriate tools accordingly .. to include.. knives, axes, machetes, hatchets.. etc… they are all tools! … in my 35+ years of doing so I’ve never once used or intended to use any of these tools as weapons!….. I’m an English man who has always abided the law! Why are we being punished and persecuted by our police that we “consent too being policed by” by our so called democracy, when the truth is plainly clear for all to see that the real problem is with a black cultural problem not a knife problem! But everyone is afraid of saying the truth because of the fear of being called racist!! …. The knife is an inert object! The problem is with the person who holds it!….. if we accept the narrative of “knife crime”….then by the same logic we must ban all trucks and vans after the London Bridge attack?? ….. it makes no sense to persecute the innocent law abiding citizen when the real criminals are left above the law by their colour or religion that is different to our native, natural behaviours! .. 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
Oh God someone's breaking the law with a knife better make another law for them to break cuz I'm sure they'll follow it
@@OutOfNamesToChoose ha yes time to break out the good old draino to throw on someone
We'll put them on double secret probation!
The UK handgun ban worked well.
It removed legally held pistols from every sportsperson in the country. The criminals remained unaffected.
Given our rate of gun crime, either the criminals are very lazy or there's only one of them.
@@grahamthompson5581 or the police are incompetent
@@grahamthompson5581 well it would seem that in the uk it's far more reasonable to hack someone up with a machete, stab them with a filet knife, or throw acid in their face. Your right, it's not the crime that matters but the weapon they choose to use. Never-ending that you can never ban enough items to get rid of stabbing or chemistry.
@@grahamthompson5581 though I would like to point out that a prominent blm figure in the uk caught a bullet at a party aimed at abolishing police, which is ironic given the ban on private firearm ownership, the relatively low population of the uk, and the fact that the uk is an island. Even one firearm death should be impossible if you live on an tyrannical island with less total population than the east coast us.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 We had a proper mass shooting in the UK, killing five people, in 2021. There was another (three deaths) in 2012. I didn't bother to check when the last mass shooting in the US was, but I'd be happy to bet it was this week, and the one before that was also this week, and probably the one before that too.
Shouldn't they be focusing on the cost of living and power bills instead??
Power bills will get worse with net zero.
@@andrewditton7226 Life will get worse when we're living on a blasted cinder. But that's now inevitable, so you may be right that we should just accelerate our progress towards annihilation.
but that costs money and the regular people don’t get to be given any of that
Their intention is never to solve anything otherwise what would they campaign on in the future?
It's all just an act, like when they said we should send asylum seekers to Ascension island or whatever it was. It was utter nonsense that they never actually ever planned on doing, they just said it to placate some of their voters with the knowledge that it could never actually happen.
Let's not forget the Tories promise to reduce immigration every election these days, only to consistently do the exact opposite.
nah just ban protesting
Criminals will definitely think twice about which knives are legal or illegal before stabbing someone to death
Someone probably already said this but, "It's not about safety, it's about CONTROL!"
The US is dangerous AF.
Except it isn't. Its about hoping to appear to be tough on a problem you actually have no idea how to address.
@Osric I would agree if they didn't enforce it. But if you saw the video about getting curved swords imported, they do enforce the useless laws.
@@jjgourde Government agencies have to enforce it if its on the statute book. The Home Secretary however just gets to fire and forget. The legislation serves no purpose whatsoever when it comes to knife crime, and it doesn't actually deliver much in the way of "control", it just generates inconvenience and cost to all concerned. Its primary purpose is simply to generate favourable headlines by appearing to "get tough" because the situation is an embarrassment. They have no idea how to fix it, and they need to be seen to be doing something... anything. That's all there is to it. Nobody is government is focusing on "control", they are focusing on the wheels not falling off on their watch and their career prospects.
But think of how safe you'll be when all those law abiding criminals give up their knives!
78% of victims were male, 32% were aged between 17 to 24, and 55% were BAME. Ethnic disparities were also evidenced when looking at knife possession. In 2017, 53% of possession of knife suspects were Black, and 37% of all suspects were Black men under the age of 25.
Yes these are gang wars between imported ethnic enclaves. 1.5 million per year, btw. This train has no brakes.
Careful if you start with the stats some wokie will determine that they are deeply racist (or that you are for quoting them) and the likes of Ernesto Elliot are just misunderstood.
Thanks for the excellent info and your efforts in combating government stupidity. Much appreciated.
Once all knives are banned, what will they do against fork stabbings?
Bring back the plastic forks😂
Exactly hehehehhehehe
Look at some UK police weapons search confiscation pictures. They include all kinds of stuff like cutlery they found on the road and at least once someone's bicycle tire.
@@laurean5998 Plastics are made from fossil fuels, and they want to ban those too, so no plastic utensils for you either. You will be eating with your hands or carved wooden forks and spoons. 😂
@@FoxtrotFleet the utter lack of self awareness they have posting those and acting all big and proud when literally every comment is calling them a bunch of worthless wankers is astounding. Within my lifetime the police have gone from being generally pretty well respected to a complete laughing stock at best and actively despised at worst.
So the Tories want to ban a long bladed instrument with a serrated edge, with a hole. They have just described a saw.
I think it was more than one hole in the blade, so many saws (example panel saw) would be OK. The hole in the handle is not the blade and if there is a single hole near the tip of the blade to hang it, that is just one hole. A hacksaw blade however has a hole at each end to allow it to fit the hacksaw frame, so would be banned. I am not supporting the proposeal, just pointing out how hard it is to define a specific class of objects without including many items not intended
Yup. Also circular saw blades. My table saw, chop saw, and both of my 7 1/4" circular saws are all technically serrated edges and they have a center hole to mount the blade, plus the vast majority of blades how a days have some sort of skeletization or some sort of cuts/holes in the blade. All of my saw blades would be illegal under this law, except my hand saws.
@@seanperson2032 Oh yeah the way Arnie used one of them in that movie Commando.
People who've never worked a day in their life struggle to understand the country they've lived in their whole life because they've lived such incredibly pampered lives.
Same mindset as "why do we need farms, we get food from shops".
@@Treblaine I saw one person on TV saying that they should ban knives because you buy bread ready sliced in shops. Does this person live off TV dinners?
As an American, this whole thing feels really familiar on a conceptual level but I can't quite put my finger on it...
I knew the owner of the military museum in Guernsey, when laws were introduced to make changes and disable and rearrange the armoury it cost him £-thousands and rendered them unfit for auction. Politicians always posturing yet causing chaos overlooked.
Imagine actually expecting the government to respect the property rights of their citizens.
People can't be trusted I think America's a perfect example of that, but poorly worded legislation like this needs to be addressed, too many problems are caused by good intentions
@valandil7454 we can't be trusted? Why?
@@valandil7454 People can't be trusted, and government is made up of people. Lets give government more and more authority and then we will all live in a utopia. History is full of authoritarian utopias, that's for sure. I challenge anyone to name one authoritarian government that good for the people living there.
Our politicians can't be trusted. We have a fascist government that is purposely increasing crime and poverty to make voters desperate for more government solutions.
In America, gun owners that aren't gang members or drug dealers are the most law abiding people.
@@AllenCrawford3 ...we do know it, our gun violence is out of fucking control. The US has 7x the gun deaths of the EU, and about 4x the number of guns. The EU has about 40% more people.
I filled in the gov form thing in and answered the questions. This is just absurd. The stupidity of government never ceases to depress me.
I have a Machete for Gardening reasons. It is always the same, they never tackle the root causes, we used to take knives to school in 1986, no one ever got stabbed. My advice to the government is tackle the causes, find out what has changed since the 1980s.
The Thatcher generation and decendents, that's what has happened since the 1980's
@@Jb-tl1yi Since 1997, the passing of the Firearms Amendment Act and the Knives Act 1997 by Jack Straw, followed by subsequent legislations such as the Offensive Weapons Act 2019, and everything in between, have played a significant role in shaping the current situation. These legislative measures, coupled with the challenges posed by open borders, have undoubtedly contributed to the issues at hand. As Richard rightly pointed out, this was not a prevalent problem back in the 1980s. It's worth noting that Margaret Thatcher's tenure had concluded at the start of the 1990s, so it would be fallacious to make sweeping generalisations about an entire generation or their descendants based on personal biases. It is essential to separate individual circumstances and characteristics rather than relying on broad assumptions or personal prejudices.
@@johnmknox Those acts you are quoting are just ammendments to existing legislation enacted in the 1950's and 1960's which is the period I grew up in. As for not a problem during the 1980's he is wrong, that is when it did start becoming a noticable problem, hence why all the various ammendments were made. I saw first hand the general changes in people attitudes and behaviours during her tenure which has continued to this day.
Christians and Jews, that's what changed. They've become ever more militant with their corruption of our youth. We need a strong leader like Hadrian to save our country and solve the Christian Question, not that we'll get one :/
It’s interesting that now in August 2024 it’s really difficult to find bushcraft knifes for sale in the U.K. now? So the legislation has already taken effect and the law doesn’t apply until September 2024.
All bans do is make life harder for law abiding citizens . In some countries they torture people with chainsaws , these tools have only one very important use would the UK ban these too ? Absolute barmy !
Knowing UK Gov they would.
yes the UK would ban them; they would say, "what use does a normal person have for a chainsaw? Besides, cutting down trees is bad for climate change anyway!" (unless we do it to put up grotesque 5G masts) F the UK.
When this ban also fails to solve the underlying social problem I assume they'll move on to banning pointy sticks. When that fails, they'll ban trees.
I guess after pointy sticks they proceed to ban bananas, raspberries and pineapples. And if dropping a 16 ton weight and releasing the tiger won't work, they will wire themselves to 200 tons of gelignite.
Who knew you cannot make laws to stop lawbreakers.
And bananas.
@@didelphidae5228You can absolutely do so, it just takes enforcement that will get you labelled as a racist.
Don't give them ideas. There have previously been proposals to ban kitchen knives. Many people don't need them and can buy readymeals instead. You can however do some serious damage with a spork. But some sticks have already been banned. I wanted to make a walking stick that would also serve to meet government recommended social distancing rules. So a 2m walking stick that aguably could be described as a quarter staff. They're practical, and common sense would suggest they only become offensive if I hit someone with it. But that could also be defensive, and thus legal. But under this proposal, it would seem illegal for me to possess the means of production. So a saw would be illegal, as would a draw knife. I suppose if I were intent on crime, I could always 3D print a synthetic one.
*This is classic 'political virtue signalling ' 'being seen to be doing something' despite enough laws already existing....*
Its the usual case of creating laws but preventing effective or efficient enforcement of them. Making something illegal whilst simultaneously creating policies that prevent the police from acting (such as searching etc). The general population by large will comply with the rules and laws but those already involved in criminal activities will continue to do so, worse still with the lack of enforcement they will become much more active in carrying and using dangerous weapons. The easiest targets, such as the hobbiest or person unaware of changes will likely fall afoul of the enforcement instead.
The government know what they are doing is causing a nuisance, and hardship. It's what they do and it's what they want.
@@homeoftheinepttulpagamer They're not preventing searching though. Braverman has given the police powers similar to the odious 'Sus laws' of the 1980s allowing them to stop and search without even a suspicion of the target to be carrying a weapon. The Public Order Bill currently going through the house after rejection because Braverman tried to add secondary addedums that had been rejected by judicial scrutiny looks to give them even MORE powers. - to enter homes etc without knowledge or evidence. This is with an 11% success rate in stop and search leading to arrest... (see government's own figures).
that's the tory party for you. All propaganda, no substance. Keep voting for them though because Corbyn makes his own jam.
No, they mean it. And that is what is concerning.
Better idea:
The government just fxxks off telling us what we can or should be allowed to own..
People have allowed it.
This has been the argument in the U.S.A. with firearms. The firearms that are used in the most crimes, and in the most cases of murder are not what they are going after, they are going after the big scary looking ones that make up less than 1% of all murder. Politicians seem to know that they cannot tackle the underlying reasons for violence, and that many of their policies increase the likely hood of crime, so they do a big show to make it look like they actually care. If someone was to be walking in public with a machete, axe, or sword, the police would immediately be able to identify that person as a potential threat, whereas a small kitchen knife hidden in a pocket raises no alarm. We know which item a person would choose as the more effective weapon for murder or a burglary. It is not about stopping crime; it is about making it look like the government is doing something about it.
It astounds me that Americans argue so much over gun crime and both parties spend 0 time talking about stopping gang violence. There are shootouts in Chicago every day and if you call the police they don't do shit about it. Some parts of the US are basically lawless the police are so incompetent.
They spend trillions on their military yet they somehow have nobody to fight against gangs of armed criminals walking around left wing cities where guns are already banned.
Totally agree! Banning guns in the UK created their knife crime problem. Ban knives and what is next? Forks?
Firearms are not the same as a kitchen knife
I worked in the Caribbean for a decade, and there was always plenty of coconuts around and a big ol machete with a hole in the blade hanging off a nail;- because coconuts don't have ringpulls!
They were ubiquitous / omni-present. Criminals didn't carry them - their size made them too obvious...
I think they need to ban the criminals and decriminalise all inanimate objects including guns
Can you explain the problem with holes in a blade please?
UK and Canada: you can't carry even a pepper spray
Poland and CZ: you can carry a firearm
CA murder rate per 100000: 2.0
UK murder rate per 100000: 1.0
PL/CZ murder rate per 100000: 0.7
We're dealing with a similar issue with Firearms in the US. The problem is that the government NEVER stops taking.
yeah, when was the last time the so-called "free world" got any new freedoms?
I'm going to state the obvious: criminals don't follow the law.
yes, but imagine their shock when they stab someone and not only they are charged for the assault/murder, but also for the forbidden knife. THE HORROR
Therefore, there should be no laws: what's the point? Hint: your argument is a tautology.
@@artful1967 all the ones that strip people of the ability to use tools yes. Why on earth would you allow a group of bureaucrats and politicians to make laws deciding who can and who cannot use certain tools? You were born a man and you just decide to flush half your autonomy because the government tells you that knives are scary. Yeah good for you.
@@patpowers9210 do you comprehend how utterly moronic your comment is? He's obviously railing against prohibiting tools and items based on crime statistics, but feel free to bend your knee harder for the powers that be. You look really cool throwing people hints about how they should give up everyday items as well as any means to self defense and their life long hobbies because the government is too cheap and lazy to do actual police work.
@@artful1967 You might have to, seeing that 3d printing in getting better each year. You will have settle for education instead of prohibition sooner or later.
What is the proposed length of the blade on the machetes they're trying to ban? Does anybody know, please?
Fighting symptoms with actionism instead of analyzing the causes and actually working out solutions... politicians and bureaucrats are the same everywhere. Greetings from germany.
Actionism is a fantastic term I have never heard before. I will probably start to use it going forward. Unfortunately, pointing out problems is much easier than coming up with solutions, and there are elections to win. Much easier to pander and fearmonger.
A hand saw... Serrated, one hole for the handle and typically a hole and the end for hanging.
Here in Norway they banned machetes and knifes that has a blade length over 25cm. After huge protests they had to change the law. Now it say you can buy and own them if you have them for a good reason like gardening.... So dont give up fighting for your rights 👍
A free man should never have to give reason for anything he owns.
@@freman007 This.
@@freman007 Very true. I agree 100%
Britain doesn't do protests, meek and mild mannered Mr and Mrs prefers to sit in and watch telly. 😢
The huge problem I see here is that politicians are experts in law, and not experts in crime, weaponry, or technology. It is the same problem here in the USA. I would think that it would be wise for the honorable ladies and gentlemen of the legislatures in both our nations to listen to those of the citizenry who are expert and trained in those areas in which they are ignorant, it being an axiom that I believe both our nations hold that the people are the ultimate source of the government's power.
May providence smile on both our countries as we put forward the truth as a foundation for all government action.
Thanks Matt for putting your voice forward as an expert in your field. Good luck.
They will never stop. Knife control isn’t about knives, its about control.
Yep, though they have eyes, they cannot see.
Knife control in the UK is about trying to stop massive knife crime. Whether it’s a good decision or not, get your tinfoil hat off for a sec.
What do you mean by ‘tinfoil hat’ please? Where exactly is all this knife crime too, fortunately we don’t see any, ahem, except we do hear about it on R4.
@@dreamcrusher112 well then they perhaps should have listened to the numerous individuals who in CAPS told them this is going to be the result
With everyone from around the world flooding the UK , many of whom don't share our values - it's no surprise violent crime and Tapes shoot up
All they're doing is making law abiding citizens more vunerable. Criminals don't care about the law.
A clear and well written response. Here’s hoping that your UK audience takes action to protect edged tools.
Strangely, laws don't seem to respected by criminals.
Hence them being criminals...
UK Gov: "We need to fight knife crime!"
UK People: "Does that mean more police funding? Does it mean actively punishing anti-social behaviour, arresting yob children instead of just ignoring them, and tougher sentencing for criminals?"
UK Gov: "No. It means adding a list of objects to a ban list... those ideas of yours are just silly. We can't arrest kids or be stricter on crime."
Have previous bans ever made a differences to knife crime statistics? If not then why continue with a failing policy? As you mentioned we need to look at underlying causes.
Taking weapons away from the public just makes people easier targets for criminals.
No.
Like the police
No, a police force which doesn't understand the different between law and order and corruption makes people easier targets. I could harm someone with a piece of paper if I put my mind on it.
And, anyway, there is gun ownership and there is 'gun ownership'.
I am a early medieval reenactor and avid bushcrafter so things like reenactment swords and machetes are part and parcel of my hobbies and banning them would seriously hurt me doing the things I love
But you dont count only the slime balls we receive enrichment from can get away with it
I concur, as a leather worker lots of tools I use are indirectly affected by these ill thought out ideas. Rather than complying with stupid UK specific rulings Etsy have stopped selling anything with a blade. This has cut my access to certain bladed tools I use, some of which cannot be found in the UK. It’s infuriating
yeah many bushcrafters opt for a big wacker blade, and then a smaller second blade for detailed work. UK is so over, just move to a better country, let this whole shithouse go up in flames...
Your frustration was felt in Norway too. They tried in 2020/21 to ban 'large knives' with just the sort of implications you described. Fencing, antiques dealers and reenactment clubs all drafted similar responses to the effect that the whole proposed draft had to be redacted with a hefty amount of exceptions of usage for 'honorable' usage such as culture, sport, hobby, work. Meaning the whole machette ban was essentially useless - anyone who wants one can just says he needs it for gardening or culture. But I dont think the exceptions would have been in the legislation there had not several clubs reacted; I think you'll end up with the same situation in the UK.
Good job, well done.
Trying to stop violence by banning certain weapons is like trying to cure obesity by outlawing ice cream.
Lol they have already done a sugar tax in the uk ffs
If you ban enough items, anyone can be persecuted at any time by authorities wielding the power of the law
And once again: The slippery slope is real and weapon legislation is the best example for it.
Yep every free western nation that has disarmed it's population is slowly inching their way towards banning speech.
Well, Great Briton has always been an oligarchy with little concern for individual rights unless one is wealthy, a politician, nobility, or royalty.
@@procinctu1 Unfortunately almost all societies seem to end up as oligarchies or dictatorships, its almost impossible to avoid.
@@procinctu1 It's "Great Britain". A "Briton" is a person from Britain.
The slippery slope fallacy is that just because you tread a slippery slope that you will always slip and fall down it.
The slippery slope fact is that you are extremely like to slip and fall, so doing it is inherently very dangerous.
If you run with scissors, you won't always trip and fall and stab yourself in the throat. There is a fair chance that you may fall and a fair chance that if you do fall, it will be on the scissors, and a fair chance the scissors will go through your neck.
#Logic
The government knows this won't do anything, so the question is why does the public think it will?
It’s all about control. Pure and simple.
BINGO! Now You Got It
This sort of thing is never about public safety. It's about control
Don't just stand there, do something
@@stephend50 It's already too late.
@@stephend50 What are they going to do? They don't have any guns.
@@stupidanon5941 It's insane to think that it might actually be too late for the birthplace of Locke, but here we are.
@@iratezombiemann Thomas Jefferson thought it was too late for America shortly before he died. If that's the case. the UK probably isn't going to fare much better.
Survey completed, thanks for pointing this out Matt!
For this reason I´m glad that I live in Czech Republic where we can carry whatever knife we want to. Policemen can´t punish us for only carrying knives (or gun with the gun license).
based
@@itznoxy7193 unfathomably so
Thank you Matt for bringing this to our attention. Your response is very well thought out and logical, therefore I fear it will be totally ignored by the politicians behind this proposed legislation. They only want to be seen to be doing something and banning common tools is much easier than tackling the social issues behind knife crime.
This is great. You see this a lot in the US as well regarding both knives and guns. The main issues are twofold:
1. The bans end up banning regular items.
2. Most of what is banned are items which cause almost no crime, while the items that are used most for crimes are or banned and are essentially un-ban-able.
Politicians seem to just ban things on a whim, in a way that only really harms the average citizen.
Their main concern is "dooooo something" and their knowledge of the subject is typically non-existent.
Their prestige seems to rise according to the number of bullshit laws they can enact in their career
Ah yes. Instead of having law enforcement actually enforce the laws against violence that already exist (like how they do against mean words) and having judges sentence violent offenders properly, let's just add more laws for crim's to ignore at the detriment to the public.
The best way to get the police to come quickly appears to be say someone has a camera. Call them and say someone's got a knife and they maybe out next Thursday, unless they get an emergency call about a drone being flown legally.
Whenever you're told, "No one wants to ban that", that onle meand they'll come for later.
If I were a politician in the UK I would propose a law that bans hurting people. It´s ridiculous that nobody thinks about this simple solution.
There is , its called Common Law. .... commit NO Murder,,Loss , Harm , Injury or Fraud to another
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I'm writing to my MP asking for a screwdriver amnesty with bins provided where tradesmen can hand them in anonymously.
@@JG-fv9bv Just what I was going to say... So WHY do we need all this rubbish 'acts' & 'statutes', which are actually maritime law
How would you go about doing that? And there are ways in which people can hurt others surrepticiously and which the police are evidently too stupid to comprehend. We don't live in a utopia. And building a world of policies only leads to a brick-wall, not a 'free' world.
We also had a London Bridge attack using a van or truck if I remember correctly so are we going to ban all trucks??
Did banning work last time? No? Then someone should be held accountable for the ridiculous choice to try the same ineffectual thing again. #responsibility
Much sympathy and wishing you good luck fighting this nonsense. I'm from across the pond.
Punish the crime, not the ownership. Increase the sentences for attacking someone with a knife, and make sure there's a realistic conviction rate.
That'd be racist.
@@hyperboreanforeskin Funny because every time there's a stabbing where I live it's been by a white person. It's almost like race has f.a to do with it.
You cannot destroy cultural traditions of inpats!
@@hyperboreanforeskin how would that be racist?
@@paulfrost8952 Knife crime has not particularly increased by pre-existing demographics. The increases are mostly from new demographics and thus predominantly along certain racial lines. To suggest this, especially given the groups in question, is interpreted as racist by a significant amount of the mainstream narrative in both recent jurisprudence and mainstream media.
politicians will never learn, and the general public will always nod their heads thinking it will solve all crime
The proposed legislation doesn't need rewording, it needs to be scrapped completely along with the disastrous and utterly failed legislation it seeks to amend. I will respond to the consultation but I fear the legisltators are almost completely impervious to reason.
Any government that doesn’t trust their own citizens to own weapons for their own defense isn’t a government worth the trust of the citizenry.