There is a clear winner here. No competition. Even the looks which most people complain about is subjective and personally I like the look of the hornet better.
@@DavidSmith-hn5gg The Hornet looks more suitable for older rider, and the MT-07 looks more aggressive & modern looking definitely having more younger buyers. Talking about the Hornet's loads of electronics, they are less usefull for its limited hp of 2 cylinder engine. Features like quickshift and auto blipper are more suitable for fast bikes and having 3 cylinders and more which are able to rev higher in a longer period of time, or 2 cylinder with big capacity like the KTM Superduke R 1290. Those big bike features in the Hornet will make it more boring to use since it's limited in high speed capability. Furthermore, it's less comfortable than the R7. One bike dominate as being fancy but lacking of reliability, the other having the other way around. More comments at the outside
@@nelocinco3836 I suggest you to test ride the hornet. It's packed with tons of torque and electronics are really helpfull to control it. Anyway, honda's quickshifter is a must on the bike, it really gets sporty and it's lot's of fun ;)
Amm... the CB650R is faster and it has a better quality feeling than the MT07. In fact, the MT09 is really the competition to the CB650R. Yes, the MT07 has more torque at low RPM, but when you get up to speed, it lags far behind the CB650R.
66cc its the diference , like mt03 vs z400, 80cc difference . z900 / mt09 .4 cilinder 949cc vs 3 cilnder 890cc , 59 cc . you can do 1 entire motor with only 50 cc . more cc more power on street motor ( not competition vs stock ) . the honda its really superior for a low price and much more tecnology . the mt07 its a 10 year old bike .
The main reason why particularly Honda engines, making a more linear power and higher horsepower at higher RPM but smooth low torque (comparing if Honda have similar capacity with Yamaha) is because the construction behind the engine. Honda usually have a shorter stroke with bigger bore and making its peak torque at higher RPM (therefore have low torque but higher horsepower) compared to other bikes like the MT lines that have smaller bore but longer stroke (therefore producing less horsepower but strong torque) at lower RPM compared to Honda bikes. The construction of this main component that influence how power are delivered to the rear wheel makes the 2 brands like Yamaha and Honda have different purposes and style of riding. Honda makes a smoother smaller torque at low RPM but high horsepower at high RPM, where the purpose of their bikes are to always go faster to compensate the usually heavy weight, better at straight lines & on the road with less traffic, compared to Yamaha MT lines where they have power at low RPM making them very comfortable, nimble and fun for daily urban riding, good at navigating corners, up and down hills very well, however still be able to hit good at straight lines due to their lightweight. This 2 bikes are not that hard to choose if you know what are you going to use your bike for, either for daily ride to work, or weekend ride, etc. They both have pro and cons but what characteristic of the either bikes that win the purpose of your riding needs will be the main tings to consider worth of spending. Buying either of the bikes to keep for generations you don't have to worry about the quality since both or all the big 4 Japanese bikes are known for their great quality and long term reliability, it's the matter of choosing which will last longer in term of the availability of spare parts to keep the originality, or otherwise go for customisation.
I know alot of people will hate me for this but i would still go for the MT07 cause growing up the 07 was the only one that i really liked even though the kawasaki z650 was kinda good it was not for me the 07 was something i like a hotwheel toy that i would still choose over other variations
Cheaper to maintain, long term spare parts availability, long term reliability, comfortable riding position, better / fun to do both daily urban and weekend ride, nimbler / better handling, other than these important points, the MT-07 is more fun to ride if you gonna get naughty sometimes.
😮To me there is no winner. R&D in Japan has reversed from the direction they once were headed. But this is what the kids want... cheap bikes that look cool with alot of electronics. Id go for a used bike from the early 00's when Japan was putting out production bikes that had us in awe. Performance was the focus. Those days are long gone
can someone explain to me the pros of having narrower rear tyre size? im planning to purchase a bike mostly for daily commuting to work,+ sometimes a tour out of city. would thicker tyre be better choice for me?
Thicker tyres have more traction because of the larger contact area. And I believe more stable in a straight line. Thinner tyres are more nimble, making the bike more 'flickable' and less effort to make the bike lean. Realistically for commuting/touring it doesn't matter. The pros and cons are very small
On paper, the MT lines are sucks, but in reality, they're purposedly made better... That's why the reviews are soo good and they conquer the market especially for 700 & 900 cc categories... MT-09 is an unbeatable supernaked, even the Z900 can't beat it in many aspects...
Well, all these things are just stats and numbers. On paper Honda is better. On real world I don't know. The MT 07 has almost 10 years of perfection, but Honda are giving Yamaha a hard time with the Hornett. I read and view a lot of reviews, and all of them say that the Yamaha is still a more fun bike to ride, but Hornett is a very solid bike and the its the best value for the money. Its a hard decision to make. Lets see what Yamaha will do for 2024.
Yeah the Hornet maybe awesome. However there's one small problem. You can't buy the thing in America it's Asian and European only. The only thing that we have that comes close is the CB650R. Which has a smaller displacement motor, has a 4 cylinder setup instead of a twin, and costs slightly more. So yeah, Europe got the better bike , in my opinion.
Took Honda about 10 years to try and catch up. And they made a hideous bike without the awesome down low torque of a MT… Literally everyone trying to copy these. There’s a reason MT-07s are such popular stunt bikes. Now go see if businesses are selling stunt parts for the Honda… (they aren’t)
por numeros cv, precio etz gana la hornet pero los moteros nos movemos por sensaciones si no nadie se compraria una harley, una ducati bi, una royald enfield etz etz
Hopefully you have the chance to try it daily for a week, then ride the MT-07 next for the same period of time with the use of all of their both electronic features, perhaps later you can share some of the feelings of useful experience.
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 if Yamaha made and engine with similar capacity with its competitor, it will again quickly/continuously win the market. People are talking about other bikes being better by having more hp as the main point, but there are a lot more than that, long term & daily reliability, spare parts, satisfaction on fun rides, comfort, design, etc...
Unicam tech engine it's unique and powerfull 👍 and finally i choose Honda CB Hornet 750 😎 And MT-07 it's fuck still conventional telescopic ohh come on dude 🤨
The Hornet is boring on the inverted fork, stiff as fuck but slow on the highway, that configuration is better for a 3 or 4 cylinders faster bikes like the CB/CBR650R, Hornet is just a failure of city ride with uncomfortable suspension, unnecessary throttle by wyre and quickshifter/autoblipper which should be put and more fun on those faster bike like the CB650R. Slow bike with qs/autoblipper is a waste of advantage, a longer wheelbase making it harder to turn / corner and avoid traffic. Having the look of city bike but failed to do its job. Get the CB650 instead. Better looking for town ride and can go fast on the highway
The explanation sounds favouring the Hornet, however the Hornet just put on unnecessary electronics in their bikes like the ride by wire, compare to the MT-07 which put a lot of useful features in its display, compare to Hornet who have multiple choice display which basically doing the same things without providing more special yet useful features like the MT-07. Hornet's longer wheelbase making it harder to corner is nothing better than the MT-07 for a daily ride and to avoid congested traffic. It's more suitable to be use on the highway or less traffic road, which the MT-07 can do anyway. However the boring style of Hornet with 2 cylinder makes it even less fun to ride on the highway. It has a figure which is less attractive on the highway but more handsome on the city road, which however the MT-07 had taken a lot of the points of its use. The softer front suspension of the MT-07 makes it more comfortable for relaxing everyday ride, while the Hornet's "better" inverted forks are stiffer and rather more enjoyable for faster bikes like the CBR650R and the MT-09 on the highways. The MT-07 have wider tyre to compensate its torqy power, which means by using the same tyre profile as the Hornet, it will wear off faster. The futuristic fashion on the MT-07 with its aggressive style suits the wider real wheel and 180 tyre, makes it look more like a superbike.
Listen l had the MT 2019 and l sold it. I ride 35 years raced dirt young The MT has more usable low end grunt and well balanced ride The Hornet hasn't beaten anything By the way l was die hard HONDA rider most of my life. If you want highway high speeds by Hornet If you want supermoto grunt and good comfortable ride buy the MT Trust me once you know the bike the front forks work. I just brought the 2023 model MT. 2 days till.pickup I don't regret nothing. The bigger rear works a treat on the MT THE MT LOOKS BETTER..Feels better and the engine won't be beaten. Only on paper gentleman
It's NOT a Hornet, It's a TWIN CB750.... Hornets have 4 cylinders and the 600s were b-tardized on 2007 and the 900 was discontinued in 2007... this is a CB750 TWIN.
For £6999 with more power, tech, better brakes and suspension. You must be a Yamaha fanboy not to get the Hornet lol
There is a clear winner here. No competition. Even the looks which most people complain about is subjective and personally I like the look of the hornet better.
theres more to it then just power, the mt07s engine is still better low end so it will still dominate for stunting and such
@@emilianocatano2700not according to MCN who said it was more fun in their review, the MT 07 is outdated now and cannot compete with the hornet.
I think the Hornet looks better especially the headlight 🤷🏼♂️
@@DavidSmith-hn5gg The Hornet looks more suitable for older rider, and the MT-07 looks more aggressive & modern looking definitely having more younger buyers.
Talking about the Hornet's loads of electronics, they are less usefull for its limited hp of 2 cylinder engine. Features like quickshift and auto blipper are more suitable for fast bikes and having 3 cylinders and more which are able to rev higher in a longer period of time, or 2 cylinder with big capacity like the KTM Superduke R 1290. Those big bike features in the Hornet will make it more boring to use since it's limited in high speed capability. Furthermore, it's less comfortable than the R7. One bike dominate as being fancy but lacking of reliability, the other having the other way around. More comments at the outside
@@nelocinco3836 I suggest you to test ride the hornet. It's packed with tons of torque and electronics are really helpfull to control it.
Anyway, honda's quickshifter is a must on the bike, it really gets sporty and it's lot's of fun ;)
I don't get why so many people still argue on which is better even tho it is evident you are paying less money for a better motorcycle in the hornet
Can’t buy one anyway they don’t exist. Not on the website not from a dealer. It’s not a real production bike.
I had no doubts, I bought the Hornet and I am very happy with its performance and striking appearance.
@@Vaderfan-jv5md i was looking to find one, only in the uk unfortunately
almost 10 years to honda to make a real rival to mt 07
Amm... the CB650R is faster and it has a better quality feeling than the MT07. In fact, the MT09 is really the competition to the CB650R. Yes, the MT07 has more torque at low RPM, but when you get up to speed, it lags far behind the CB650R.
@NecrosisTerminal Look, you are also explaining the different concept on the two 😂. Hornet is the right on target for the rival model
@@rhapsodyofice8184 yep, you have a point there 🤣
Doesn’t matter. You can’t get one anyway. Can’t order one cant preorder one. So it looks like the MT07 is king because it actually exists
I can buy one at my local honda dealer, in Norway...
Poor America 😂
66cc its the diference , like mt03 vs z400, 80cc difference . z900 / mt09 .4 cilinder 949cc vs 3 cilnder 890cc , 59 cc . you can do 1 entire motor with only 50 cc . more cc more power on street motor ( not competition vs stock ) . the honda its really superior for a low price and much more tecnology . the mt07 its a 10 year old bike .
The main reason why particularly Honda engines, making a more linear power and higher horsepower at higher RPM but smooth low torque (comparing if Honda have similar capacity with Yamaha) is because the construction behind the engine. Honda usually have a shorter stroke with bigger bore and making its peak torque at higher RPM (therefore have low torque but higher horsepower) compared to other bikes like the MT lines that have smaller bore but longer stroke (therefore producing less horsepower but strong torque) at lower RPM compared to Honda bikes.
The construction of this main component that influence how power are delivered to the rear wheel makes the 2 brands like Yamaha and Honda have different purposes and style of riding. Honda makes a smoother smaller torque at low RPM but high horsepower at high RPM, where the purpose of their bikes are to always go faster to compensate the usually heavy weight, better at straight lines & on the road with less traffic, compared to Yamaha MT lines where they have power at low RPM making them very comfortable, nimble and fun for daily urban riding, good at navigating corners, up and down hills very well, however still be able to hit good at straight lines due to their lightweight.
This 2 bikes are not that hard to choose if you know what are you going to use your bike for, either for daily ride to work, or weekend ride, etc. They both have pro and cons but what characteristic of the either bikes that win the purpose of your riding needs will be the main tings to consider worth of spending.
Buying either of the bikes to keep for generations you don't have to worry about the quality since both or all the big 4 Japanese bikes are known for their great quality and long term reliability, it's the matter of choosing which will last longer in term of the availability of spare parts to keep the originality, or otherwise go for customisation.
That's correct purpose
My purpose is short street road track Thailand unforgiving
I pick the MT all day
Yamaha Mt and xsr bikes are so clean that Cp2 engine is legendary
Yeap, even the XSR900 is sexier in blue than the MT-09, which is sexier in grey.
Bullet proof Honda unknown
I know alot of people will hate me for this but i would still go for the MT07 cause growing up the 07 was the only one that i really liked even though the kawasaki z650 was kinda good it was not for me the 07 was something i like a hotwheel toy that i would still choose over other variations
I agree mt07 since this bike didnt have competition. And you can get older mt07 for much better price so would still go with mt07
Cheaper to maintain, long term spare parts availability, long term reliability, comfortable riding position, better / fun to do both daily urban and weekend ride, nimbler / better handling, other than these important points, the MT-07 is more fun to ride if you gonna get naughty sometimes.
Rides better off paper
For me Hornet wins.
😮To me there is no winner. R&D in Japan has reversed from the direction they once were headed. But this is what the kids want... cheap bikes that look cool with alot of electronics. Id go for a used bike from the early 00's when Japan was putting out production bikes that had us in awe. Performance was the focus. Those days are long gone
No they both go hard
Again, fantastic video!
Can u make difference between different types of engine like V4, inline 4 , parallel twin etc pls
Parallel twin same as inline2 cylinder
V4=4 cylinder engine configuration V
Inline4=4 cylinder engine configuration Inline parallel
@@mazzdickaanantama1574 thank you bro but also different types of engines classification
what a very good video. thanks!
in terms of looks MT07 looks mile better
I prefer the look of the hornet.
I personally think the hornet looks better. Both great bikes.
@@DavidSmith-hn5ggdinasour
Rides awesome low end torque off paper much better
can someone explain to me the pros of having narrower rear tyre size? im planning to purchase a bike mostly for daily commuting to work,+ sometimes a tour out of city. would thicker tyre be better choice for me?
Thicker tyres have more traction because of the larger contact area. And I believe more stable in a straight line.
Thinner tyres are more nimble, making the bike more 'flickable' and less effort to make the bike lean.
Realistically for commuting/touring it doesn't matter. The pros and cons are very small
For road usage, filtering trough traffic and such, a thinner tire is better.
500x is the most comfy
Well put together video. 👍
Both very good its no loss buying either. I dont need high speed top end
How can you go past the Hornet. You cant!
🤣
You haven't ridden the MT
On paper, the MT lines are sucks, but in reality, they're purposedly made better... That's why the reviews are soo good and they conquer the market especially for 700 & 900 cc categories... MT-09 is an unbeatable supernaked, even the Z900 can't beat it in many aspects...
Well, all these things are just stats and numbers. On paper Honda is better. On real world I don't know. The MT 07 has almost 10 years of perfection, but Honda are giving Yamaha a hard time with the Hornett. I read and view a lot of reviews, and all of them say that the Yamaha is still a more fun bike to ride, but Hornett is a very solid bike and the its the best value for the money. Its a hard decision to make. Lets see what Yamaha will do for 2024.
e l'accelerazione? e la velocità massima?
Great comparison
Yeah the Hornet maybe awesome.
However there's one small problem. You can't buy the thing in America it's Asian and European only. The only thing that we have that comes close is the CB650R. Which has a smaller displacement motor, has a 4 cylinder setup instead of a twin, and costs slightly more. So yeah, Europe got the better bike , in my opinion.
For me mt07 design look better then honda hornet
More comfortable to
I own a mt-07 .. I will buy Hornet 750. Do I answer the question ?
Tell me whats better for you?
@@myfren90hornet is more up to date than mt07. But due to unwilling circumstances I ended up with a tracer
I saved 2000 got a new MT 2023 no interest in the electronic bullshit.
Termi carbon exhaust ups the power straight off the bat
450sr is the King of speed
Took Honda about 10 years to try and catch up. And they made a hideous bike without the awesome down low torque of a MT…
Literally everyone trying to copy these.
There’s a reason MT-07s are such popular stunt bikes. Now go see if businesses are selling stunt parts for the Honda… (they aren’t)
La mt 07 è una vecchia moto obsoleta e fuori dai tempi odierni. Toglietela dal mercato
por numeros cv, precio etz gana la hornet
pero los moteros nos movemos por sensaciones
si no nadie se compraria una harley, una ducati bi, una royald enfield etz etz
I test the new Hornet and its really cool and fun to ride it!
Hopefully you have the chance to try it daily for a week, then ride the MT-07 next for the same period of time with the use of all of their both electronic features, perhaps later you can share some of the feelings of useful experience.
Not on ruff roads
In my country its cost the same as mt09 what a joke.....
I wish the hornet was available in the US.
Same here
Vulcan S vs Super meteor 650
Less weight just means more plastic less betal, so cheaper.
MT 07 rides better than what it is on paper 😎
By watching some reviews, people have said the Suzuki is better than the honda. But wait until Yamaha reléase the Yamaha MT 08
Yamaha MT-08?
@@nelocinco3836 it is a bad joke, but i think yamaha is going to up scale the CP2 engine close to 800 cc
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 if Yamaha made and engine with similar capacity with its competitor, it will again quickly/continuously win the market. People are talking about other bikes being better by having more hp as the main point, but there are a lot more than that, long term & daily reliability, spare parts, satisfaction on fun rides, comfort, design, etc...
Unicam tech engine it's unique and powerfull 👍 and finally i choose Honda CB Hornet 750 😎
And MT-07 it's fuck still conventional telescopic ohh come on dude 🤨
The Hornet is boring on the inverted fork, stiff as fuck but slow on the highway, that configuration is better for a 3 or 4 cylinders faster bikes like the CB/CBR650R, Hornet is just a failure of city ride with uncomfortable suspension, unnecessary throttle by wyre and quickshifter/autoblipper which should be put and more fun on those faster bike like the CB650R. Slow bike with qs/autoblipper is a waste of advantage, a longer wheelbase making it harder to turn / corner and avoid traffic. Having the look of city bike but failed to do its job. Get the CB650 instead. Better looking for town ride and can go fast on the highway
@@nelocinco3836yes mate not a good all rounder in the real word especially Thailand
The explanation sounds favouring the Hornet, however the Hornet just put on unnecessary electronics in their bikes like the ride by wire, compare to the MT-07 which put a lot of useful features in its display, compare to Hornet who have multiple choice display which basically doing the same things without providing more special yet useful features like the MT-07.
Hornet's longer wheelbase making it harder to corner is nothing better than the MT-07 for a daily ride and to avoid congested traffic. It's more suitable to be use on the highway or less traffic road, which the MT-07 can do anyway. However the boring style of Hornet with 2 cylinder makes it even less fun to ride on the highway. It has a figure which is less attractive on the highway but more handsome on the city road, which however the MT-07 had taken a lot of the points of its use. The softer front suspension of the MT-07 makes it more comfortable for relaxing everyday ride, while the Hornet's "better" inverted forks are stiffer and rather more enjoyable for faster bikes like the CBR650R and the MT-09 on the highways.
The MT-07 have wider tyre to compensate its torqy power, which means by using the same tyre profile as the Hornet, it will wear off faster. The futuristic fashion on the MT-07 with its aggressive style suits the wider real wheel and 180 tyre, makes it look more like a superbike.
Listen l had the MT 2019 and l sold it. I ride 35 years raced dirt young
The MT has more usable low end grunt and well balanced ride
The Hornet hasn't beaten anything
By the way l was die hard HONDA rider most of my life. If you want highway high speeds by Hornet
If you want supermoto grunt and good comfortable ride buy the MT
Trust me once you know the bike the front forks work.
I just brought the 2023 model MT. 2 days till.pickup
I don't regret nothing. The bigger rear works a treat on the MT
THE MT LOOKS BETTER..Feels better and the engine won't be beaten. Only on paper gentleman
Hi im looking to to buy my first motobike, wich is better for beginner honda horner or Mt07 2023?? ( i like more mt07)
No competition. The hornet wins
Hornet assenger seat is unuseable!
The Hornet looks old with a new light. I dont know why
It's NOT a Hornet, It's a TWIN CB750.... Hornets have 4 cylinders and the 600s were b-tardized on 2007 and the 900 was discontinued in 2007... this is a CB750 TWIN.
Get neither of these.
Get the Suzuki instead.
Much better compared to these two.
MT07 aftermarket is OVER 9000!!!
because the stock suspension has been shit ever since 1st gem mt07...
Hornet❤
mt07, everyone owns one which makes it crap, it also looks ugly, just like the hornet. Both are bad.
First
Mt 07 sucks
Lol both are so ugly yamaha should have just stayed with the mt 09 gen 2 look