HARMAN PHOENIX 200 in New York | A Completely New 35mm Colour Film
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Bravo to Harman for this first attempt, it'll only get better over time and I am happy to be part of the testing. I am shooting my first roll now in my Canon A-1.
I enjoyed your discussion of the challenges of getting the best results from Phoenix.
Well Noah, you asked for it. I have shot the panatomic stuff in both 35mm and 120. As for the new harmon film, I'm guessing it is fine once one's personal film speed is determined.
That werner Hertzog impression was pretty good
Thanks for your thoughts on Phoenix film. I bought two rolls and appreciate any company who is doing something new in the world of analog film. I’m sure it will improve and emerge as a great product. More importantly, mad respect for hitting the LCD Sound System show! Way cool!
So I shot a roll of this last week and just as it indicates on the box....this stuff is RED. I shot some red roses in my garden and my wife in a red T-shirt and the reds are an 11 in the pics...skin tones look very tanned. If you want to get an idea go to your TV and max out the red saturation in the colour balance settings. Obviously film like this won't suit every occasion but I absolutely loved the effect it gives along with a 1970s feel to the pics. It is also more grainy than I expected for a 200 film but I always love grain. I will definitely use this film again.
I hope to use this film for the fact of the orange cast it gives. I saw your negatives side by side with normal negatives and the phoenix negatives looked cooler and better than regular negatives. After a while photolabs wiil get the hang of it after getting the bugs out. I saw you had Lindt chocolate. The next time you come to NY hit the woodbury commons in Central valley, NY. They have a Lindt chocolate outlet. They carry flavors I never saw in any store.
Great Video! I'm saving my 2 rolls for the spring/summer to really make the most of those greens and reds and see how those look.
Also saw Shaka1277's video cross-processing Pheonix in ECN-2 to make slides, really interested to see how people continue to experiment with it.
From all the material I have seen, think the very first shot at 2:36 shows best what the Phoenix film can do. There aren't any harsh lights, so it doesn't have halations, and the grain makes it looks like some kind of a painting. Like pointillism or something? Not sure, don't know anything about painting. I'd love to try this film if I could find it in stock, but so far sold out or not even listed everywhere near me.
Finally got the Phoenix 200 developed and scanned and I like it. It's contrasty, moody and grainy....a combination that I don't usually like. I shot at 160. I got the entire range of results from excellent to embarrassing. Overall, I think this film is wonderful and I've already ordered more.. After seeing my initial results, I know what to try and do differently the next time.
Love the content! Always waiting for a new vid!
Your results are some of the best I've seen from this film! I'm definitely going to follow your lead when I shoot it over on my channel!
I think you got the best results I have seen so far!! Great video. Definitely best when camera scanned.
I just got a roll of this for Christmas. I was not going to use it till you made a video. Sure glad I did, fantastic video as always. From one Canadian to another, keeping killing it !!
Fun times! Love the video and your results. Those self portraits are 🔥 interesting how skin blooms on this film too
Nice!
You have a good advantage in living close to the US and with a car and some friends create some great memories in a good old car trip!
Have a happy new year!
DUUUUUUUDE! Those portraits were FIRE! NICE job!
I like your trip to New York, it was a great video of friends hanging out.
I shot Panatomic-X back in the 70s. I loved it for its fine grain and rich tonality when developed with Microdol-X
Thanks for the review -- and going over the aspect of scanning -- I have seen a number of review videos where they used lab scanning and the results were definitely worse that what you got with your camera scans -- as most lab scanners will be "tuned" to standard color neg film and not handle the Phoenix colors correctly. Cheers -- and Happy New Year, Noah!
I live in Rochester. You should visit for a weekend...much to see and photograph here.
I'm about to shoot my first roll of Phoenix. I've watched all the UA-cam reviews available so far for Phoenix and I have to say, your results were the best/most pleasing to view. You showed the photos without comment and then commented later. I think this is helpful for me. Other reviewers comment while they show their photos. What they said and what they showed sometimes didn't line up at all. Many UA-camrs were overall positive about the film however showed photos that I thought were terrible. Thanks for the review.
These are the best results i've seen with Phoenix, I have a roll loaded but only shot a few frames so far. Thanks for all the info too 🤓👍
lol I was wondering when the giant Harman box would make an appearance, and it finally did at 15:50. I really like how your shots look in bright sunlight! The film seems to do well in brighter situations. I've only shot a roll in low-light indoor settings, and there's sometimes a green cast to the shadows and it's definitely veryyy grainy. But I definitely want to try to see what the colours are like outdoors during the day because yours look great.
Ah, Panatomic X. Old memory! Have shot, processed and printed that in the 1970's. Yep, old guy. But not recently. Thought it was soft at the time but I cherish my old Panatomic X prints. Just bought my first roll of Harmon Phoenix and think I'll use it for street scenes. Judging that it would be less capable of producing what my ideal landscape images would be. Thanks for the informative video!
Thank you for the latest video! I’ve got my roll to shoot now that Christmas is out of the way. I may rate it around 125 iso and see what comes out!
Nice photos, your reds came out nice, mine where lacking on my first roll :( I really like the halation effects, knowing how they appear means my next rolls I'll be able to get cooler shots with it :)
I haven't shot new pictures on Panatomic X but did successfully develop a roll exposed in the 60's in HC110 B with pretty nice results, so the latent image capability is up there with Verichromd Pan, at least.
Characteristics? Hell yeah. I cant wait to get it
I shot my roll and got it developed at Nice Film Club the lab I use and I love the way it looks. I think they punched up the contrast a little from the talk I had with them after. But the colors look amazing and even more bright than some in the photos you shared. I can share if anyone wants
I've got 4 rolls. The way I'm thinking about it is that it could be a good 'winter' colour film shot under overcast skies, which avoids the halation problem, shot at 100 iso, although I'll try it at 200 as well. This means I'll keep the Kodak Gold for summer. Need to get hold of some Adox Color Mission as well.
I bought two rolls of this and they're hanging out in my fridge! Good to know about some tips how to shoot with it!
shout out to shoot film like a boss (brittish film youtuber, he was on the tv in the background).
with the experimental films, you may want to get a colour chart on one of those images for the lab to calibrate the scanner for that film. it may help improve lab scan quality.
as for me, until I can do colour prints in my home darkroom, I'll be steering clear of most of the experimental colour films out there as C-41 was for both negatives and prints.
Oh -- speaking of Panatomic-X film (any film with "atomic" in the name has to be awesome!) -- I got a Watson bulk loader online a few months ago, and when it arrived -- what do you know, there was film in it! In a dark bag it felt about 1/3rd full. The piece sticking into the cartridge area looked like typical B&W film, but no idea what. And no idea if anyone had opened the main compartment in the light. Well, after a suggestion from Mike Raso of the FPP, I put 20 frames into a catridge and shot them with a Canon A2, Canon 50mm AF f1.8, on a tripod, with a long remote (cabled). I printed up pieces of paper with ISO numbers from 400 down to ISO 6, and shot 1 each going down from 400 to 6, then back up to 400 (in case some of the film had been exposed). Sent it off to The Darkroom and waited. So -- from the scans online I saw that ISO 6 was actually really good. And then when I got it back, I saw on the edge of the negatives "Kodak Safety Film 5060" -- looked that up, Pan-X. So now I have the bulk loader in the freezer and can probably load 8 carts for 36exp -- and shoot it at ISO 6. Cool!!!
How do you pass your Films through the X-Ray inspection (security) at the airport?!! Thanks for the video. I just found your channel!
I did this drive from TO to NYC, that was rough 😂😂 ptsd
See, you went to NYC on a sunny day. I went on a gloomy October day where it did nothing but rain literally the entire time I was there. Anyways, looks damn good!
The best part about Harman Phoenix is that it is a brand new color film. Just a few years ago someone told me that it would be literally impossible for anyone other than Kodak or Fujifilm to create a new color film, as the process was so advanced and difficult. According to them, it would require billions of dollars in investments to even have a remote chance to create the most basic color film. Who in their right mind would take on such a challenge? Then, just a few months later, Adox Color Mission was released. The first color film make from scratch for years. And we've got several brand new color films since then. Films where Kodak or Fujifilm was not involved whatsoever.
Yes, Phoenix is not Portra. It's not even ColorPlus. But it is an actual independen color film, proving that color film does NOT depend on the mercy of Kodak. People complain about film prices and fear that film photography is once again on it's deathbed. I beg to differ. The film photography market is healthier than it's been for over a decade.
I've shot some equally expired Panatomic X and by far it's my favorite BNW, and I only had one roll. It's lovely because of the detail and the tonality. It looks like slide film almost, I mean, obviously, it's a negative, but that quality, density, and tonal range that a slide has when you hold it up to light, it's like a negative version. It's hard to describe, but when you see the negatives, you'll know immediately. Mine didn't have much base fog either, so maybe it's a bit more resilient than other films?
I developed mine in XTOL 1:1 BTW, if you're curious.
I just have one question. How was it to shoot with the new kodak super 8 camera or at least a early model, like did you get any good results?
It reminds me a lot of early color film
I'm excited to get my hands on some, and I gotta say those oranges in the remaining leaves on the trees was goooorgeous!
The transparency is also so so appreciated, 100% agree. It's pretty refreshing just having some candid conversation with duch an important company in the film game. Maybe it'll encourage others to be a bit less... shit? That might be a bit uncharitable but yeah looking at you orwo lmao
Also, glad I'm not the only one a little wigged out by the warm december temps 😂
Does a typical colour enlarger have enough yellow filtration to print phoenix negatives onto RA-4 paper?
Kodak Panatomic X is the best black and white film ever made. Very rich blacks and brilliant whites (with a huge variation in grays). It ages gracefully but try the one which expired in the 1988 first (as the one from the 1974 may not have all the excellent characteristics of the fresher film).
Nice
Ahh yes a reminder that I shouldn’t lose hope in film
Random question that's not entirely related to Phoenix... A lot of people say that film has more DR than digital cameras so when scanning with a digital camera, would doing an exposure bracket in the negative bring out more DR once processed?
Scene dynamic range is much higher than that required to scan a negative. Most digital cameras should be up to the task.
It's always good to see a new film stock actually getting made, and not to be a naysayer, but I just struggle to see what niche this film stock fits that isn't already filled by CineStill. I'm not really a fan of such high grain and contrast on a 200 ISO, and no anti-halation on film that isn't ex-motion picture just feels too "hipster-ish" for my tastes. I hope Harman expands their range from here, and adds some new color stock. With Fujifilm axing Superia X-Tra, the world sorely needs more "normal", affordable consumer films, other than just Kodak.
I think the bigger significance is Harman even being able to pursue color manufacturing themselves. Cinestill film is all made by Kodak, so having a new source for color film options is exciting.
@@AnalogResurgence I know, and I agree with you on that. I just find it a bit odd that the first new color film Harman would put out feels like an attempt to capture the same niche audience as CineStill, instead of the broader film-shooting community. Regardless, I'm happy new film is being developed.
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what does "crunchy" mean in this context?
Hmmm…it’s cool that we finally have a proper new film out on the market! I think I’ll pass on this one as it feels a bit too nostalgic for me. Maybe I’ll pick up a roll for some cool portraits, but outside of that, a bit too artsy fartsy for what I typically shoot. That being said, I think people should go out and buy it and play around! It’s by no means a poorly made film. Maybe Harman will cook up something new in the future if this takes off!
The camera scans are definitely better but if I got those results I would be quite disappointed. A film that in good light conditions give you a huge color cast, overblown highlights and, in the same photo, underexposed shadows, seems like a mess to me.
I guess they are experimenting with the stuff and maybe it's fun to help them figure it out?!?
I wish them the best, it's a nice to have a new c-41 film in 2023.
Great video as usual. As for the film, I’m glad new films come out, but it’s not for me. I personally don’t like the colour rendering at all.
I'm sorry you had to drive through my current town of Greece/rochester
It sounds like you think it is trash and from what I see that is what I would say about it. Harmon but it out on the market for about $15 a roll and it’s trash so far.
Not how I feel
Could you do better? It is an experimental film. They want to know how to improve and they need feedback; they have been honest about this. We can't criticise people for doing something totally new and not getting it perfect first time. Ilford/Harman have not done colour for many years; I have IIfocolour negatives from the 1960s but that predates C-41!
Interesting video.
Here's a tip.
90% of all photographs suck. 99.9% of all vertical photographs suck.
Tell yourself and your friends to not take vertical photographs.
Here's the organic way to learn this. Stop and do this when thinking about taking a photo. Stand in one spot and look around you without moving your body, only move your head.
Now tell me this. Did you turn your head side-to-side or did you move you head up-and-down?
Stop, don't respond. Try it again and think about what you did.
Thanks. 😉📸
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@@AnalogResurgence Right to left or left to right? 😃