I can't believe a car made it into the stands and it was never mentioned at all on msm. I was watching that whole weekend of racing online and no one ever mentioned it.
Crashes like these are not talked about because it could put the sport as a whole in jeopardy. That's also the reason why Tony Renna's fatal accident during a test session in Indianapolis wasn't talked about much. His car allegedly cleared the catch fencing but we don't know for sure and we're not supposed to know.
@@wendigockel I can't say I know all about it, as I wasn't there and any photos and video have been mostly squelched. But having read an array of things about it including comments from people who did know, the problem was not the car clearing the catch fencing. The car went _through_ the catch fencing, almost completely disintegrating. Reportedly, that included a large portion (maybe the engine/transaxle?) ending up in the wheelchair/handicapped seats at the front of the stands there. That is not even getting into the topic of what happened to Renna, which is just too grim to discuss. If it had happened in public (practice/qual/race) it would have been unbelievably bad, and who knows what the repercussions might have been. -Regarding "knowing". As I understand it, IMS/Tony George went into swift action to get control of any possible photos and video (the latter being from IMS permanent security/track cameras). But along with that, a LOT of people were involved in cleaning up the aftermath. (The way the grandstand is set up there, a lot scattered over a large area going beneath the stands, a lot ending up across a wide area behind the stands.) Not just all kinds of small car bits, but also the remains of Tony Renna. (Sorry, I said it was grim.) With that... people talk. The general consensus apparently being that it was one of the most awful things to ever happen in motorsports. It's easy to understand that anyone involved would want as little known and seen as possible.
Well, IDK if everyone else had a similar experience as yours, but on the weekend when that accident happened, my feeds are all about that one singular incident..
@@JohnEaganMedia if you are refering to the crash on the thumbnail, I was working as an emergency team in there that day. This racetrack in Portimao (portugal) has a long main straight of almost 1km that is also the speedtrap that ends with a declive 200m before turn 1 that is a 70º turn. It also has one of the biggest runoff both with asfalt and gravel of the whole track. The problem here is that he made the main stright on his topspeed, and then he lost his breaks. With all this configurations, very little speed was lost and he hit the gravel at almost full speed, airbourne and pratically didnt hit the tire barrier, going for a direct hit on the fence. No fence in the world can witstand this, so the car went straight through it like butter on a hot day. Nothing was projected tho. Every wreckage was concealed in that area of the sits. Above those sits, theres a flat area that isnt really handicap sits. Its the entering path for those stands with a snackbar, that may serve aswell for handicaps, but i dont think thats the main point. nothing went to that zone
like it too, but i think he can slow down much earlier by scratching the wall. but it's so unnatural to hit the wall on purpose so even the pro driver's brain dosen't work so fast.
@@thecloz23 Walls are not always perfectly smooth and can cause the car to suddenly spin off of it causing a loss of control. I don't think it's worth the risk at that speed versus hitting the tire barriers to slow down.
I was there and saw that car land about 20 feet from me as I was walking. I can tell you that it would have been smarter to hit the first tire barrier full on, that last wall he hit was the hardest impact and there was no other wall behind that one to stop him
I was a volunteer flag marshal for this year's 12 Hour at Bathurst. When Keith Kassulke has his monstrous crash, I was on track communication, and it was immediate that this was a serious crash. One of the marshals nearby, I don't know who, but the said, and I quote, "I thought it was going to crash into the hotel." Keith did survive, the car did not leap the fence, but it certainly the worst non-fatal crash at Bathurst in recent years
modify what? Make a concrete barrier? Remember how the fence bent in silverstone with zhou's crash? and he went upside down breaking, went through the whole gravel and even hit the tire barrier first. And it was on first lap, so he was still getting speed Here the car went straight on his wheels, on a fast lap, didnt lost speed and as soon it hits the gravel, it airbournes, so it goes straight to the fence, almost not touching the tire barrier. What do you want to modify here exacly? You either make a 1km runoff or you make a concrete wall. I dont think you can do much besides that
@@MeatSim5 you say that yet you don’t say what it needs to be changed. You don’t live in a perfect world. Flaws exist and nothing is flawless. This is an extremely dangerous sport exactly because of it. You can only say something is unacceptable when you know that something that works better exists and is in reach. Otherwise you are just another joe that says: yeah the world is bad. You have to fix it. I don’t know how but you need to. Why don’t you complain about a total breaks fail at top speed? After all this isn’t 1950
Looks like it caught the gravel, got put into the air, hit the tyres and put into a spin, so when it hit the fence momentum carried it over (is my guess). Possible the fence just failed though.
@@minnsminnsHe realized he didn’t have brakes so he tried to hit the apex dip to slow down old Smokey. But he hit it to much and flipped off the rock. There’s an interview of him explaining the crash.
@@adrianp3098 They dont always say the truth bro. Im not saying that that wasnt a brake failure. But pay attention to the fact that the guy continued to accelerate throughout a corner that he has driven many times, i pressume, and he clips the inside which could have happened due to lack of visibility i guess. Brake failure seems rly unlikely in this situation, noone tries to stop a car like that. And probably he could have used the handbrake to gradually brake. Seems like driver error... Or a stuck throttle considering he was accelerating when he was upside down. Pay attention pls and dont believe everything u hear
I now understand why liquid cooled brakes on these things is a must-have. Good lord; the Toyota at 3:00 went up like a Roman candle from even just a small spray of brake fluid.
Fun fact - I took the photo in the thumbnail. Was last year at Portimao in the iberian supercup practice or quali. Supporting the WEC. Taken from the supercup paddock.
I'm kinda surprised there isn't some sort of backup system to prevent this. Like having a disc on the back of the wheel hub as well which drivers can engage if they realise the primary brakes have failed?
The braking system is already redundant. Fails like these should be incredibly rare. The second braking system is the engine. Selecting a lower gear will slow you down.
@@Gentleman...Driver We're watching a video of braking failures, so I'm not sure how it would be redundant. Engine breaking is absolutely nowhere near an alternative to brakes.
@@MRFUCKOFF202 But brakes are redundant systems. In normal cars as well as in race cars. And yes, I am aware that we have watched this video. Thing with motorsports is that all sorts of things can happen and to 95% this is an issue of human error - doing some mistakes in assembling the brakes. The mechanics are under constant time pressure and they dont have time to test the brakes before sending those cars out on track. I agree with you that the engine brake isnt as powerfull, but you can still manage to take away some energy before impact.
I would love an episode where it’s not the type of crash that’s important, but that it’s porsche cup cars. From what I can tell they regularly have the weirdest accidents
2:22 was'n't a braking failure. It was a Driving Error. He drove a bit to early into the corner. There was, the beginning of the Mountain. It was actually Pikes Peak
Fr dude. He was talking danish but like bro. Every other word was "uhh". Didnt even know we had any somewhat comp motorsports here lmao. Dude was probably like half asleep though.
The Bathurst crash was not brake failure as brakes tend not to work effectively when the car is flying through the air due to hitting the curb rumble strips. The right corner before is taken at full speed at the end of a long straight but if you take that corner to wide it will make you drift out and make it next to impossible to take the tight left. Drivers quite often make this mistake and go off hence the huge sand traps and I have seen cars catch huge air after hitting that curb.
In that first crash the dude is completely out, you can see his head hanging and swinging after it settles... glad he was already released and recovering
At 2:20, that crash, if your wondering or surprised why he was on two wheels until he fell off the cliff was because he actually tried to get back on all 4 wheels by turning towards the cliff to flip the car to the left back on all 4. It’s like drifting, you have to turn right to go left or left to go right.
Why are they running those kind of cars? Is it like baby stroller racing or lawnmower racing where the vehicle platform is intentionally disadvantaged to be nothing like a race car?
I can't believe a car made it into the stands and it was never mentioned at all on msm. I was watching that whole weekend of racing online and no one ever mentioned it.
Crashes like these are not talked about because it could put the sport as a whole in jeopardy. That's also the reason why Tony Renna's fatal accident during a test session in Indianapolis wasn't talked about much. His car allegedly cleared the catch fencing but we don't know for sure and we're not supposed to know.
I thought for sure the thumbnail was an optical illusion, but I guess not.
@@wendigockel I can't say I know all about it, as I wasn't there and any photos and video have been mostly squelched. But having read an array of things about it including comments from people who did know, the problem was not the car clearing the catch fencing. The car went _through_ the catch fencing, almost completely disintegrating. Reportedly, that included a large portion (maybe the engine/transaxle?) ending up in the wheelchair/handicapped seats at the front of the stands there. That is not even getting into the topic of what happened to Renna, which is just too grim to discuss. If it had happened in public (practice/qual/race) it would have been unbelievably bad, and who knows what the repercussions might have been.
-Regarding "knowing". As I understand it, IMS/Tony George went into swift action to get control of any possible photos and video (the latter being from IMS permanent security/track cameras). But along with that, a LOT of people were involved in cleaning up the aftermath. (The way the grandstand is set up there, a lot scattered over a large area going beneath the stands, a lot ending up across a wide area behind the stands.) Not just all kinds of small car bits, but also the remains of Tony Renna. (Sorry, I said it was grim.) With that... people talk. The general consensus apparently being that it was one of the most awful things to ever happen in motorsports. It's easy to understand that anyone involved would want as little known and seen as possible.
Well, IDK if everyone else had a similar experience as yours, but on the weekend when that accident happened, my feeds are all about that one singular incident..
@@JohnEaganMedia if you are refering to the crash on the thumbnail, I was working as an emergency team in there that day.
This racetrack in Portimao (portugal) has a long main straight of almost 1km that is also the speedtrap that ends with a declive 200m before turn 1 that is a 70º turn. It also has one of the biggest runoff both with asfalt and gravel of the whole track.
The problem here is that he made the main stright on his topspeed, and then he lost his breaks. With all this configurations, very little speed was lost and he hit the gravel at almost full speed, airbourne and pratically didnt hit the tire barrier, going for a direct hit on the fence. No fence in the world can witstand this, so the car went straight through it like butter on a hot day.
Nothing was projected tho. Every wreckage was concealed in that area of the sits. Above those sits, theres a flat area that isnt really handicap sits. Its the entering path for those stands with a snackbar, that may serve aswell for handicaps, but i dont think thats the main point. nothing went to that zone
The last place i'd want a brake failure is on Pikes Peak
Honestly I hope that the driver recovered with no serious injuries.
@@NeoGeo822 Yes he's fine, I've seen a video of him after the crash explaining what happened
@@julien0fx link to video please if you can find it. So glad he made it.
I don't think the Pikes Peak crash was a brake failure he clipped the wall and got thrown out of the Apex
No Isle of Man tt
The guy at 1:23 using each barrier to take speed of in an absolutely scary moment well done!
like it too, but i think he can slow down much earlier by scratching the wall. but it's so unnatural to hit the wall on purpose so even the pro driver's brain dosen't work so fast.
@@jonathanparle8429 He could down shifited even more
and he was cool and calm.
@@thecloz23 Walls are not always perfectly smooth and can cause the car to suddenly spin off of it causing a loss of control. I don't think it's worth the risk at that speed versus hitting the tire barriers to slow down.
I was there and saw that car land about 20 feet from me as I was walking. I can tell you that it would have been smarter to hit the first tire barrier full on, that last wall he hit was the hardest impact and there was no other wall behind that one to stop him
I was a volunteer flag marshal for this year's 12 Hour at Bathurst.
When Keith Kassulke has his monstrous crash, I was on track communication, and it was immediate that this was a serious crash.
One of the marshals nearby, I don't know who, but the said, and I quote, "I thought it was going to crash into the hotel."
Keith did survive, the car did not leap the fence, but it certainly the worst non-fatal crash at Bathurst in recent years
Idk Mostert's crash was pretty frickin bad
0:53 That is inexcusable. Imagine the stands had been packed. That circuit must urgently modified to avoid this happening again.
modify what? Make a concrete barrier? Remember how the fence bent in silverstone with zhou's crash? and he went upside down breaking, went through the whole gravel and even hit the tire barrier first. And it was on first lap, so he was still getting speed
Here the car went straight on his wheels, on a fast lap, didnt lost speed and as soon it hits the gravel, it airbournes, so it goes straight to the fence, almost not touching the tire barrier.
What do you want to modify here exacly? You either make a 1km runoff or you make a concrete wall. I dont think you can do much besides that
@@ApexScorpio modify everything that's needs to be modified to stop that from ever happening again? this isn't the 1950s
@@MeatSim5 you say that yet you don’t say what it needs to be changed. You don’t live in a perfect world. Flaws exist and nothing is flawless. This is an extremely dangerous sport exactly because of it.
You can only say something is unacceptable when you know that something that works better exists and is in reach. Otherwise you are just another joe that says: yeah the world is bad. You have to fix it. I don’t know how but you need to.
Why don’t you complain about a total breaks fail at top speed? After all this isn’t 1950
modify the fences make them taller and stronger and make the barriers thicker its not rocket science @@ApexScorpio
@@therandomchannel-_- tell me one fence that would sustain such impact
Simon Pagenaud’s flip at mid ohio belongs on this list
Brake failure at Pike’s Peak feels like it would haunt your every move for the rest of your life. Absolutely terrifying
0:54 The sport dodged a fking bullet…
How did the car at 0:46 end up in the grandstand? It shouldn’t have been able to clear the catch fencing
Looks like it caught the gravel, got put into the air, hit the tyres and put into a spin, so when it hit the fence momentum carried it over (is my guess). Possible the fence just failed though.
Glad no one was there 😬
thing is that that track (Portimao), was a F1 track the year before the accident of that Porsche... It would've easily killed a dozen ppl on race day.
@@saent5368 You can literally see a few frames of the broken fence before they show the car. If somebody was sitting there they'd be dead.....
welcome to portugal mate
5:26 never thought id see a Prototype roll coal
2:20 was because he cut the left hander and clipped the embankment. Not brake failure as far I as heard. Pikes Peak 2023
It was brake failure. says it in the video that they posted of the crash
@@LSchronic89 It was an obvious excuse - brake failures don't cause you to turn too sharply which is what he did.
@@minnsminns yes its does. if only one side brakes you turn to that way.
@@minnsminnsHe realized he didn’t have brakes so he tried to hit the apex dip to slow down old Smokey. But he hit it to much and flipped off the rock. There’s an interview of him explaining the crash.
@@adrianp3098 They dont always say the truth bro. Im not saying that that wasnt a brake failure. But pay attention to the fact that the guy continued to accelerate throughout a corner that he has driven many times, i pressume, and he clips the inside which could have happened due to lack of visibility i guess. Brake failure seems rly unlikely in this situation, noone tries to stop a car like that. And probably he could have used the handbrake to gradually brake. Seems like driver error... Or a stuck throttle considering he was accelerating when he was upside down. Pay attention pls and dont believe everything u hear
Dude Pikes Peak would be the worst place to lose brakes 🤯
JFC you do not want a break failure on a pikes peak run. that must have been terrifying.
Holy s*** the second clip !! 😱 You don't want to see this happen... Thank god no one was sitting there !
Is that the same Chad McCumbee that used to race in Arca in the 2000s?
Yes it is
@@KellieLeigh48 Thanks! That's cool.
0:46 that's is the race track in Portimão, was during the porche cup just before the 6hrs of Portimão for WEC in 2023, i was there.
I can't imagine how scary this would be when the brakes go... you're basically just looking for the softest thing to hit.
0:52 sir, you can't park there
2:27 so scary 😧
0:53 “don’t mind if I watch with you”-Porsche
I now understand why liquid cooled brakes on these things is a must-have. Good lord; the Toyota at 3:00 went up like a Roman candle from even just a small spray of brake fluid.
sweet wrecks thanks for sharing
seeing that clip at 0:45 goes to show you that auto racing is still not safe for the fans, or the world, it will always be dangerous.
Fun fact - I took the photo in the thumbnail. Was last year at Portimao in the iberian supercup practice or quali. Supporting the WEC. Taken from the supercup paddock.
The second one remind us the 1955 Le mans
Holy hell!!! And I thought you made a fake thumbnail. I’m glad I clicked the video. I didn’t go with my gut.
0:52 me and my dad be like "Hey you cant park there"
I'm kinda surprised there isn't some sort of backup system to prevent this. Like having a disc on the back of the wheel hub as well which drivers can engage if they realise the primary brakes have failed?
If I had to guess there simply isn't enough time to react to do something like that.
@@ninetailedfox579121 Of course there is haha, these are racing drivers not elderly drunks
The braking system is already redundant. Fails like these should be incredibly rare. The second braking system is the engine. Selecting a lower gear will slow you down.
@@Gentleman...Driver We're watching a video of braking failures, so I'm not sure how it would be redundant. Engine breaking is absolutely nowhere near an alternative to brakes.
@@MRFUCKOFF202 But brakes are redundant systems. In normal cars as well as in race cars. And yes, I am aware that we have watched this video. Thing with motorsports is that all sorts of things can happen and to 95% this is an issue of human error - doing some mistakes in assembling the brakes.
The mechanics are under constant time pressure and they dont have time to test the brakes before sending those cars out on track.
I agree with you that the engine brake isnt as powerfull, but you can still manage to take away some energy before impact.
I thought the Road America one was the scariest. Then it was followed by the Pikes Peak one. Yikes!
I think the Porsche just want to sit and watch his brother race
Man leave that Porsche driver alone he wanted to watch the race instead of being in it 😂
A lot of these crashes are either brake failure or brakes locking up
Got the same problem 2011 at Nürburgring GP. All bones of the right side was broken. Hope all Drivers are ok
0:49 Those people are lucky that there is no other people on that side nobody got hurt or injured for this
3:36은 진짜.. 브레이크 안밟히는거 알아 채놓고 옆으로 빠질 수 있는 시간이 충분 했음에도 앞차를
Damn. The one at road America had to know that was going to hurt.
I would love an episode where it’s not the type of crash that’s important, but that it’s porsche cup cars. From what I can tell they regularly have the weirdest accidents
in the first clip in the JCW he went unconscious
2:22 was'n't a braking failure. It was a Driving Error. He drove a bit to early into the corner. There was, the beginning of the Mountain. It was actually Pikes Peak
Yep, at pikes peak, where he lost the brakes my man. He tried to slow down but couldn’t
5:53 looks more like locked wheels cause no abs? dunno didnt look to me as brake failure
5:48 Commentator is not making this language sound comfortable at all. "Eh- ii-" and I think they were words 😅
Fr dude. He was talking danish but like bro. Every other word was "uhh". Didnt even know we had any somewhat comp motorsports here lmao. Dude was probably like half asleep though.
You forgot the Xfinity crasch at road america
there were several at one of the ovals this year as well
1:50 props to this guy for having the slowest reactions in recorded history
Naw fr, I was actually right on the other-side of the accident like 20 feet away from it, only if I could have gotten a video
The Bathurst crash was not brake failure as brakes tend not to work effectively when the car is flying through the air due to hitting the curb rumble strips. The right corner before is taken at full speed at the end of a long straight but if you take that corner to wide it will make you drift out and make it next to impossible to take the tight left. Drivers quite often make this mistake and go off hence the huge sand traps and I have seen cars catch huge air after hitting that curb.
be a hero
the pikes peak crash O_O jesus...
I find it unconscionable that there are complete brake failures in this day and age. Come on engineers get it together. 😡
0:15 I was there to see that he was passed out when he hit the tires
Brake failures are among the most terrifying thing you can experience as a racing driver, and one of those things you know are coming
2:25 was straight out of Forza Horizon 4 and 5
3:10 good job to the guy for getting out of that car in like 5 seconds!!
And this is why the two chicanes were added to Mulsanne
2:40 he is good?
Yeah. He survived.
you can see how he turn of the engine with his hand.
yeah hill climbs are possibly the worst races to have a brake failure on because you will go straight off the edge of the mountain...
1:22 - if I were the driver, this is the moment my bum would be twitching like a rabbit’s nose. 🫣
In that first crash the dude is completely out, you can see his head hanging and swinging after it settles... glad he was already released and recovering
It's just crazy that people can't even put their phones down when there's an accident near them.
Just the casual engine shut off after driving off of a GD mountain.
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thumbnail be like: "sir you can't park there"
That 2nd clip should never ever happen. People would certainly have died had they been sat there.
Luckly the seats where empty....
What is it with Abu Dhabi and cars catching on fire ? 3:10
You're missing Chandler Smith's brake rotor failure at Road America in July.
At 2:20, that crash, if your wondering or surprised why he was on two wheels until he fell off the cliff was because he actually tried to get back on all 4 wheels by turning towards the cliff to flip the car to the left back on all 4. It’s like drifting, you have to turn right to go left or left to go right.
4:55 yo estuve en ese. fue en el tcr que fue en el pinar .. se quedo sin frenos un barsilero
Why are they running those kind of cars? Is it like baby stroller racing or lawnmower racing where the vehicle platform is intentionally disadvantaged to be nothing like a race car?
7:09 what is the name of this track?
Race cars have had to have dual circuit brakes for well over 50 years. Clearly some of these had no brakes,, so WHY? or driver panicked.
Wonder if Portimao still has it's F1 grade after the porker ended up in the stands.
2:17 was a runaway diesel
It’s gotta be a bad/weird feeling when you approach the turn and press the pedal… and nothing happens.
They're not all break-failures. 2:23 (Pikes Peaks seems like) sounds like a stuck throttle to me.
Final destinations be like:
The driver in the first clip was knocked out
I honestly think Chuckles Garage driver did that on purpose... like what..!? 2:19
4:55 Crow
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Looks like an average Forza lobby
6:46 The tunnel to Canada is about a block or so behind that wreck, so he was no where close to going to another country. Nice try, bub.
Creshing is verri dongerrus. Dont cresh!
Was that Road America (approx. 1:00 - 2:00)?
2:28 pretty sure that is driver error.
Pagenaud mid-Ohio?
2:23 in definitely not a break failure ... more of a talent failure in my opinion
1 millons of views???
Sorry, what is that good for?
What. is. the. use?
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2:23 lol wtf why does he turn in so early
the average RSX Driver
Hahaha that's funny
4:48 seagull?
Second comment
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@2:22 wasnt brake failure your man swerved into the mountain 🤦♂️🤷♂️
No. It was brake failure. He turned into the mountain to help slow him down. Go watch the crash footage
you shoudnt speak like this if you know nothing about racing
Go watch the footage. The guy even explains what happened.
Goddamn brake failure on Pikes Peak. . .can you even imagine that feeling?
dun no what year it was but
in F1 a wheel came off
and killed some people in crowd
think it was Villeneuve
4:55 Crow