Valley Girl English is a Mind Virus
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2023
- Let’s talk about how to learn English so you don’t end up speaking like a Kardashian.
As an English teacher, I often get asked whether it’s ok to speak valley girl English. In this video, we'll take a closer look at what makes up this way of speaking English, and discuss whether or not it's a good choice for English learners. Regardless, valley girl English is an undeniable trend that has spread around the world. We’ll explore “upspeak” and “vocal fry” with examples from OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and TikTokers like angelomarasigan. We’ll also learn about the excessive use of the word “like” and whether or not it should be avoided when you are learning English.
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Love the video! But missed oppurtunity to say. "If you like, like this video,"
Vocal fry sounds to me as " I don't really care enough to articulate"
My friend and I overheard this vocal fry in Michigan and couldn't stop laughing. My friend is an English Teacher and very articulate in her speech which I enjoy.
Thanks for the video. You reminded me of a video of Joey B Toons.
The "F" word fit in conversation like "Like" does
Thank you for this! This video helped me analyze and perform a valley girl accent successfully!
Ok, kind of the opposite of what I’m trying to accomplish here🤷🏻♂️
@@CloudEnglish😂😂😂
Thanks, that's so interesting ☺️
I'm with you 🤝❤Vocal fry...yuck, "like" is getting way over, uptalk sounds a bit moronic💨. But what is the most annoying to me is when some UA-cam teachers add "Ok? Ok?" to every phrase they say. Thank you very much Luke for not doing that💖💖💖.
“Ok” doesn’t really bother me.
This video is a treasure .
Also your passive aggressive comedy is so enjoyable 😂
It's the only thing I can do
YAAAASSSSS. I'm so with you! I want to be a member of the elite and dwindling group of people who speak with clarity and eloquence.
It is tough though! I must admit I'm far from perfect. I don't think I use it too liberally, but pretty sure I'm dropping likes on the daily ;)
Since our dreaded/beloved smart phones listen to everything we say anyway, I'd love an app that counts your "like" bombs and lets you know, percentage wise, how you're scoring at the end of each day.
I’ve been know to drip like bombs at times as well.
Guys speaking "valley" is so feminine and flamboyant.
Vocal fry! I’d never heard of it before but I knew there was something about Sam Altman’s interviews that I found totally annoying put I couldn’t put my finger on it, and that’s what it is, vocal fry. Thanks for highlighting what it actually was.
i didnt know what these were called and was annoyed everytime i saw an american speak like that (im an indian), thank you for clarifying what this is and also incorporating a sense of value for articulation, much respect
I wasn't gonna like, subscribe to your channellll? but like, I saw this videoooo? and I like, literally liked it so muchhhh? that I had to like, like it and subscribe to your channelllll.
Sorry for the cringe comment, couldn't help it!
omg soooo gratefulllllllll yahhhhh
Agree with your analysis and comments at the end. Here in central Indiana, "Right?" is tacked on to the end of many sentences... It's like, Valley Girl English is a Mind Virus, right?
He's a man of VALUE and everyone else is like totally a like VALLEY girl? You like, see what I like did there?
My voice does vocal fry naturally when I'm speaking English and I can't help it
I get a bit of vocal fry at the ends of sentences.
Same here
I picked up English conversation growing up in the valley, and it took some time to realize that Iwas doing valley speak. I eventually manage to get it under control by working on aligning my spoken English with my written English, which was much more articulate and people could actually understand what I’m trying to say without being distracted by the verbal valley distractions. It still comes out from time to time, but mostly during gossip sessions either the girls, it’s just more fun and natural to me. Although, I will admit, it really does sound like we’re airheads when you are not in the actual conversation.
I think about this often… Like you, I also highly value communication and articulation.
Valley Speak - especially upspeak - contains a degree of pretension. It sounds as if the speaker is ‘talking down’ to the listener. This makes sense given that it began as an upper-class American accent
Good work
Max
Im the next level of this mind virus - I abuse like even during writing - good that writing is free of vocal fry or uptalk cuz im sure i would do it if possible :(
So interesting thank you 🙏 for this info. Personally I hate This way to speak too. But I was si curious to know whyyyy? I’m English learner 🎉
as a european student going to a school focused on english it is hard to listen to so many people adopt this valley girl way of speaking without realizing it, some people do it more some people do it less, there are some really bad cases but the worst thing is that I see the word "like" being overused by almost everyone, even me, so my goal for the next school year is to focus on getting rid of that habit.
I had a merch idea: a collar or bracelet that delivers a low-level static shock every time specific words are used.
@@CloudEnglish could be an interesting engineering and psychology project
Well I'm part of this club Luke lmao. I just don't enjoy how this sounds, I don't mind if people prefer this instead but I get so annoyed by how overboard these people go with "like" "y'know" "literally".
You club membership hat is on the way.
@@CloudEnglish Yay! Btw Luke I was laughing with the way you were mimicking the accent, don't be a part of the Kardashians fandom pls.
@@stefane2153 I stan kim
I do not have this regional accent or what you want to call it. Although, I still have a problem with overusing filler words. I am talking about ummm, like, and so. To sound more confident and articulate I am going to make this a long time goal to almost omit those words from my vocabulary. I appreciate the video! Speaking of the video, the accent I cannot bear to hear. I will just kindly say that.
I hate the question up turn at the end. But tbh I do have that crackly voice and I say like too much…idk where it came from but I never really noticed till I watched this. 😂
I learned something new about my voice by watching this video, as a gay man I use vocal fry and up speak but don't use the word like as often
Bufuing increases your vocal fries.
The comedy movie Idiocracy is now a tragic documentary. The next generation is regressing back to being single celled organisms.
"Valley Girl" by Frank Zappa is such a great example of Val-speak for those who want to hear a tongue in cheek and humorous take on it.
"Like" can be used as a small pause to gather your thoughts on the fly in a conversation.
Vocal fry (at least the way it sounds now, far more extensive, much more drawn out, much sleepier, deeper) is a somewhat newer thing. The other stuff has been there since the early 80s but I think (modern) fry started becoming popular maybe around 2000? A little after that? It’s not really a part of original val speak the way say Paris Hilton/Kim Kardashian do it. But like, literally used as emphasis, upspeak, etc. was already pretty much universal across US highschools by early to mid-80s, like super totally widespread nationwide. TBH, some of it was even more widespread back then than even today.
Good man. Well said. "Like" is a verb or a comparative - full stop/period. Vocal fry is unattractive (I feel, like ya know... )
It has to be tied to peoples sense of security. Everyone who speaks like this seems insecure, example Katie Hobbs scared to debate kari Lake
lol…. This is how all southern Californian natives talk. Southern California has Hollywood. Hollywood has reality tv and movies, hence the entire world now thinks the way natives have spoken their entire life is something they can change. Most Californians, especially SoCal cannot fix the way they speak, similar of someone from North Carolina or Texas. Should it be taught, no. It’s a cultural thing and us natives do not even know we speak this way until we go to another state or location and someone points this out to us. I think it’s strange that other states would teach this accent, as I would not want to be taught to speak another accent unless it was for a job. It is a very difficult accent to break, as someone who speaks valley, I have tried to fix it. I cannot lol so I stay true to who I am and where I come from. Others can take it or leave it. But the Kardashians literally are from the valley and speak like everyone born and raised in most of SoCal.
As a native, this is not how we all speak.
"Like" and subscribe. Like, literally, "Like"
Like yo bro dude like - It was heavy in the 1990s.
English teaching influencer in Asian are promoting this way of speaking as "sounding more natural and like native speaker"
Interesting. What do you think about that?
@@CloudEnglish I first called this accent "Disney/sitcom accent" without knowing its origin. After looking into different videos (including yours), now I understand that it is a local accent which grows more and more popular.
While the belief that valley girl accent "sounds more native" is not factually correct, it is so convincing in my country (& most asian countries)
Obviously the origin of this accent is not taught in English class for asian student.
Secondly, we are exposed to English language mostly via foreign media (for example, disney channel, sitcom, block buster movies, etc.). In my country, English teachers (who are mostly females) advices student to watch movies such as How I met your mother, FRIENDS, etc. to improve listening & learn how to speak naturally.
Thirdly, this valley girl accent sounds VERY DIFFERENT to ears of Asian people (almost as if the speaker becomes a completely different person from his/her Asian origin). That's why it is the cool thing among Asian community. Asian parent praises their kids for sounding as foreign as possible. People like this accent even more that correct pronunciation. Some even express dislike to their local Asian accent in speaking English (saying that its sounds dumb, unlike native speakers, etc.). The issue is similar to the trend of asian students making a foreign name when studying abroad.
There is a big debate on my country;s social media about vocal fry/valley girl accent at the moment (which makes me want to learn more about it). The current situation is that proponents for vocal fry outweight the opponents by miles.
@@plainseed This is a fantastic analysis. I thought I was the only human left on the planet thinking seriously about this trend. Great to know there are at least two of us.
In fact, I do not oppose this way of speaking. Who am I to tell people how to speak? I'm just some dude on UA-cam.
However, I think it's important to make people aware that 'native' is a very broad category, and there are many ways to 'sound native'. The reason I call it a mind virus is that it seems to be adopted globally without resistance. And the reason it is adopted globally without resistance is that it is very easy to adopt. It is a low-effort way to communicate.
In my view, the right way to think about it is to simply ask yourself: "What kind of impression do I want to make when I speak?" We ask ourselves this kind of question when we get dressed, or buy a car; why wouldn't we do the same for the way we speak?
It's at least worth considering a secondary mode of articulate speech for those times when "valley girl" could create the impression that you just can't be bothered.
I don't like that way of speaking. I consider that isn't how a coherent person should speak.
I am Dutch and listen to a lot of American stuff, podcasts fe. Just now I discovered there's a name for that way of speaking that I hate: vocal fry. I have stopped listening to podcasts in which the main characters speak like that, because it makes me sick. I also hate the constant interjection of the word like.
People speak like that all the time in Denmark. Idk why it makes non-Danes and non-vocal fry users so angry. It’s really not that deep
@mychannel-rt2gn it doesn't make me angry. Vocal fry is almost impossible to listen to because it makes me very uncomfortable. My stomach starts aching because of it. That's why I don't wanna listen to it.
Yeah the more I think about it, the sort of vocal fry discussed in this video and a few other similar videos by others, really isn't Valley Girl. No Valley Girl ever sounded like the kids in those clips near the start. That said all the other stuff about like and literally and so on is true val speak. Just the deep extended grinding fry all over the place is something different. So it is true to an extent that everyone is Valley Girl now because of all of the likes and the like (!) and upspeak but the Kardashian fry (maybe better called Hilton fry since hers seems more extreme and getting closer to those kids or what you sometimes hear around today) is an entirely different aspect that has taken over and is not really quite like val speak even if some of them did sometimes use a bit of fry.
I might call this video Kardashian/Hilton Speak or Millennial Mangled Valley Speak or SoCal 2.0 Speak. The super extended, hyper long, deep fry thing some do now and that you show in the first two clips in this video are like sooo totally not at all what the Valley Girls sounded like or like what you'd hear if you went to high school in the 80s, anywhere. The real Valley Girls just did not sound like that, much less the average person in other parts of the nation in the 80s (where the accent part of it tended to often be much weaker). I did not hear that in high school or at the mall in the 80s. This sort of extreme fry speaking came like almost two decades after val speak.
I believe the super strong, really deep, sleepy, really drawnout, every word, extreme vocal fry that was popularized by Paris Hilton around the very end of the 90s/super early 00s?? She is a mix of non-Valley rich LA and rich Upper East Side NYC upbringing. I think Kim Kardashian picked it up from her and then was the one who really, really, really spread it?? But K.K. is not and never was an OG Valley Girl. She is the wrong generation and lived in the wrong location.
The true Valley Girls were early GenX of SFV/richer parts of Encino and val speak was spread across the nation by early to late mid-GenX. I don't recall hearing people talking like Paris Hilton in high school in the 80s in CA, NJ, MA or anywhere. Some of those with the full on full Valley Girl accent in the 80s did have some fry at times, but I believe it was usually much shorter and less drawn out (many times just a fraction of a second), often only used at the very last word of a phrase, used less often in general, often maintained the same pitch, sometimes even going higher and squeaky, quick and energetic, rather than the long, slow, sleepy deep fry of Hilton (and sometimes Kardashian) and that you hear today. At least to my ears, it seemed so different in the extent and the ways in which it was carried out compared to what I often hear today, that I feel it would be more accurate to consider it to be something entirely different.
In most of the country, I don't think much of the super full on Valley accent really spread around universally beyond the barest trace as sort of a generic 80s accent and those who did retain it more strongly still generally had it in more muted form outside of that region. Super widespread in full was the spread of much of the slang along with a few patterns of speech like some extended vowels and upspeak and occasionally usage of heavier bits of the accent by some at times. That said, sometimes for certain phrases it wasn't that rare to hear full on Valley Girl accent like for "totally bitchin'", sometimes you could hear that getting almost Moon Zappa in Valley Girl level strongly Val accented and sometimes you could hear some SoCal surfer dude accent to a degree at select times from some people all over.
Valley Girl was a GenX creation (although some of the terms date back farther to prior gens).
The extreme, sleepy, constant, deep vocal fry is more of a late Xennial/early Millennial creation. That along with bro and some other slang didn't spread out until almost two decades after Valley Girl did.
(Side note, I see some Gen Z and Millennials hold up Clueless in their videos as a prime example of Valley Girl but that came out over a decade later and featured a lot of new sayings like "as if" that were not around at all when the Valley Girls did their thing.)
All the oh my god, dude, like, totally, soooo totally, awesome, literally used purposefully as an extreme emphasizer, stoked, wicked, gnarly, rad, bitchin' (although these last two seem to be used less today in many areas), gnarly, you know, dragged out vowels at times, upspeak, are all 80s slang/ways of speaking, mostly to all derived from Valley Girl/SoCal surfer/skater (some of terms like tubular, grody and especially gag me with a spoon didn't really get widespread usage across most parts of the country though even back then much less today), some of that stuff was even far more prevalent back then than even today (at least among middle school/HS/college crowd, it hadn't hit 40+ or even 35+ then); today it may be more widespread across age ranges though as GenX is now late 40s to near 60 and it has had more time to slowly seep across generations). Back in HS (and to this day LOL!) my mom used to always say it sounded so funny to her how like my whole generation always sounded like they were asking questions or unsure of what we were saying but it was just something we picked up and didn't even think about consciously. I honestly had zero clue I was even doing it until she first mentioned it!
But a lot of today really all started in the 80s, the modern tech age, modern blockbusters (OK late 70s), music videos, a lot of the slang and ways of talking (even if with some terms faded and some new slang a new elements like deep fry), etc. (although hair and styles are more like non-style hippie 70s/60s or evne pioneer times than the 80s).
I hope there’s something where the kardashians aren’t into
I don't like 'Val'. Definitely a trend. I use it when I purposely want to make my speech sound mindless.
Yas 👏
Me too, actually
I think a lot of you have warped and nasty reasons for hating vocal fry. It’s not harmful to the vocal cords, in contradiction to the misinformation people love spreading, and it doesn’t make someone unintelligent.
It’s perfectly normal and sometimes even necessary to use vocal fry when speaking Danish and the Danes haven’t experienced a mass loss of our voices because of this, and I don’t think Danes sound unintelligent.
Tagging Kim Kardashian shows that you have ulterior and outright hateful motives for disliking vocal fry and making this video as a whole.
Valley girls and the way they speak aren’t hurting anyone find something else to be mad about, this isn’t the 80’s anymore.
HATE that way of speaking.
The croaky voice thing is annoying and seems popular with gay men.
These things are annoying .!!
It is so annoying.
They speak like there is something in their mouth.
Annoying
I hate it.
I'm not an English native speaker, but LIKE you, I think it is pretty annoying. I can't stand, for instance, listening to Kim Kardashian speaking. She sounds so presumptuous. It is not likable at all.
This is disturbing!