AMA Episode #8 - VEP Templates vs Locally Loaded Kontakt with Kazimir Boyle
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2020
- In Episode #8 - VEP Templates vs Locally Loaded Kontakt - we dig a little deeper into the technical side of my life as a Composer. What are the pros and cons of using Vienne Ensemble Pro to host all your samples versus having them locally loaded in Kontakt?
Music by Kazimir Boyle - Gold In Your Eyes
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Locally loaded kontakt, the only way to fly!! Thanks for the shoutout Trevor!
Yes it is. That’s how I’ve run for a bit!
For someone new to all this understanding your templates and workflow works be fantastic to see
Noted
This totally changes the game for anyone who doesn't have the money or time/ tech know how to run the out of date 4/5 pc VEP pro rig...Thanks for sharing.
Super helpful stuff Trevor, thank you!
Ah this is what I was looking for! Thank you so much! Really appreciate it
my pleasure, please share it
Glad I have found this and to see a guy of your caliber and level work like that. I am in the process of upgrading my setup to a new machine with a heavy template. And because I have a very special lifestyle scenario, I do live and work fulltime in a campervan and all my equipment runs on solar power, the one PC approach is best for me. I could potentially run another slave as well but it for sure needs more power, creates more heat in the summer and takes up more space. Thanks. 🙋🏻♂️
There's an alternative: a VEP server locally. It's quicker than deactivated tracks in the DAW if you work on lots of queues that share many sample libraries.
So a mix of the 2 methods may be optimal: local VEP for bread & butter libraries & DAW deactivated tracks for the rest.
In addition, OPUS is so sophisticated with purging & loading samples that it may not even be necessary to deactivate tracks in the DAW for compatible libraries.
Super useful content. Thank you so much!
You just answered a bunch of my questions about this setup. Thanks Trevor!
you got it dude, hope you're doing well !
T. Morris by far some of the best technical and musical information on the internet for what we do.
I love love this! Both for its simplicity of setup, and organically evolving the template to include updated sounds and patches. VEP always intimidated me. I'm also surprised this hasn't been done more often.
Thanks, there is no ONE right way, but this way works for me
Thank you so much Trevor for sharing this with us!
You just solved my biggest question these days, when I'm building my new template, and also saved me buying VEP for nothing :)
Keep up these videos man, they're priceless!~
Warm wishes from Israel!
cheers
This "disable" trick is phenomenal really. You stop the nonsense Kontakt browsing, especially if something doesn't appear as a panel. Brilliant!
That's totally awesome! I've never tought about that way. In fact I had already gave up of making a huge orchestral /composition template. I use Reaper 6, and we call it "freeze track" instead of "disable" what's of course the same. I created a shortcut for this, as you did. I'm now making a really huge template, with assigned knobs and sliders. And it takes, literally, 5 seconds to load. You saved my day! Thank you very much!
Go for it!
Kaz is AWESOME! Cool video... yeah glad we are out of server rooms.
Glad to hear Trey is still working with you. Really digging what Tomek is doing with Felt Instruments. Lekko is fantastic and the new Blisko Viola and Cello can add a raw sense of realism.
Trey is a rock star
Good video - Working in Reaper I´ve made the similar solution. When the big template is done, you just freeze the whole thing in one go (all the tracks), and set your quick short cut (like 1) that unfreeze in a second the instruments you need. The whole template opens within 3 seconds. Fast and steady as a rock. Best to you Trevor and many thanks for your generous attitude to newcomers and hobby composers!
heard good things about reaper, Im just a create of habit with cubase
Fantastic Information!! My team and I am so thankful for your BtS videos! Between you, Spitfire, and a few other UA-camrs, you take the guessing game out of many of our headaches.
-Joseph
Cheers !
Hi Tevor, thanks for this great insight about organising templates, and especially, on dealing with template 's evolution over time, I think you found something Genius here!
I was wondering now how all these tracks were routed?. How you would probably send them into buses, and how you would work things out to bounce everything for the mixer / or for maybe mixing yourself ... This is an important part of the process that can take so much time....
Best from Paris.
Awesome! I've been running a disabled tracks template now in Cubase for two years. So glad to get rid of the slave machine and VEPro!
I'm with ya
The thought of a disabled single-instance Kontakt never even occurred to me. Definitely giving this a try!
let me know how it goes
I did the same thing ... went from locally loaded to VEP and back to locally. As you mentioned, you need some CPU power and RAM but, it is so much easier to manage! Great video! Thanks!
Love it !
Great video thank you. I'm about to start a new album and it's time to update the template. The only VEP I've used now is locally on my MacPro. Currently running Logic but also have had Cubase since version 1.0 (Cubase Score) back on Atari. LPX has disabled tracks now as well. The main difference is if you disable it keeps the samples loaded in RAM (I could see them updating that in a future version). My new template will go to 100% local/disabled. I may even flip back over to Cubase for this project.
Excellent info, Trevor, many thanks. I'm building a new PC to catch up with latest tech, and hope to be able to run both DAW and instrument library on one machine once fully fleshed out.
you're very welcome
Actually this kind of videos is really awesome, specially for upcoming composers (like myself) which is trying to make their way around with all the gear and setup, and of course also preparing to work in the enviroment of a composer as an assistent. Maybe even more in depth videos of: Working style, how to videos (prepare for spotting etc.), second studio etc..
These 8 episodes has been pure joy to watch, thank you! :)
For sure, that was what this youtube channel is really going to be about. I just started with an AMA series
Trevor Morris so glad to hear, couldnt be more excited.. thank you for all the effort you put into this.. really appreciate it :)
Hey Trevor, really enjoying the breadth of content you've been putting out. Keep it up! // Chris
Thanks dude
I love these videos! Christian and Pauls youtube channels are, in my opinion, one reason why Spitfire is so succesful. Younger composers like myself are really interested what top level media composers are doing so your contribution is greatly appreciated! I have a love/hate relationship with VEPRO. I have a template where all the samples are loaded to Nuendo but the size of the session folder gets really big really fast because of the backup sessions.
Yeah they're good dudes and good friends of mine. And you're welcome, please share
Hey Trevor, thanks for doing these. In a future video can you talk about mentorship?
Get the new mac pro, you will love it. Thank you, again for another amazing video a lot of knowledge was gained from this video.
Excellent! I’ve been doing the disable track method for a while now in Cubase with my Mac Pro and thunder bay 4 for my SSD samples. Works amazing.. I don’t even notice the load times at this point and yes the reboot time is so fast..Super stoked to see that’s what you’re doing! I wasn’t sure if that was a thing others were getting into.. Cheers!
Cheers back. Using a new mac pro with Cubase? Let me know how it goes
@@TrevorMorrisComposer I wish haha.. I'm using the black dustbin one still with 128 g of RAM... Been looking into the new ones though. Seems a little outta my pay grad at the moment though. Dustbin is still kicking ass. I had conversations with NI and Steinberg about Catalina not long ago. They said its a shit show and to not upgrade for a while....
Nice ! Thanks Trevor ! Kind of eye-opener :)
What about loading Kontakt in Purged Mode ? I wish NI re-implement the "load in purge mode " in Kontakt...
Thanks trevor for this video. One box is definitely the way to go in 2020. Before watching this video i thought everybody in hollywood uses VEP and multiple computers. Watching this video is so reassuring that you can do blockbusters with one good spec computer. Would really love if you could do a video on your studio tour and all the gear in it and how it integrates into your workflow and into your template. thanks again for doing these videos.
Noted, Ill dig into that for you
Nice Trevor, thanks for sharing. I have basically the same, single rig setup as well now, much simpler, I feel better about it. I also have my Kontakt instruments purged. If you do a batch re-save of all the libraries once in a while you can significantly reduce the load time.
I've actually abandoned huge monolithic templates in favor of Pro Tools track presets. If I want a drum kit I just drag that in, if I want a string ensemble I drag that in. Keeps my sessions nice and clean.
I would love to see your reverb and stem routing. It's something I'm always second guessing.
wicked. Yeah Ill dig deeper into the template for you
Just discovered your series today (someone had a link up in vi-control). Thank you for these. Really useful stuff...... You use 512 sample buffer size? Wow...That amount of latency would throw me off playing stuff.
Thanks again
Great info!
Great! more techy deep dives please!
Oh... it goes so much deeper
I am convinced after debating my template building decisions. Disabled tracks are the way forward..I have a spare interface that I could use at home and I could essentially clone my rig. Big fan of MADI over networked audio as well, despite my IT background.
Hi Mr Morris thank you very much for taking the time to do this! Very insightful information about your current setup and template. Do you use the batch resave feature for Kontakt? Speeds up things as well.
good idea
This one was absolutely excellent, and would totally be great to have a deeper look at how you have got your template setup (like Tom JXL did in his Studio Time season 1), I know that is coming, I remember you advertising your "YT masterclass", a while ago.
Also, I am certain you know John Paesano went single machine quite a while ago? He is using standalone HP Blade servers in his studio, if I remember correctly (and if he has not modified his configuration)
Thanks man, please share !
Been researching moving to PC, because I want more power for multi export, but I didn’t want to do the Vepro thing. Very comforting to see a professional with one PC machine! I would be very curious to hear how you go about organizing and exporting multiple stems in Cubase? Thanks love your channel!
PC is the way to go for cheap power for sure. I'll get my youtube channel on its feet with all the tech details you are asking for
Hi Trevor! Thank you for your video!) can i ask you a question ? do you use a "group track" in Cubase, and how much compression/eq do you use on your group tracks?
That is very interesting how more and more people move to one machine system. I personally won't be able to do that with my 12 core 6.1 Mac Pro but maybe in some time with new Mac Pro. Anyway, I love your idea of having a folder for new stuff.
I really want the new mac pro to be the bomb, I hate PCs, but we'll see
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Haha. Yeah I feel the same. I currently use 2 PCs for hosting samples in VEP and I must say every 2-3 weeks one of them gets crazy after windows update and I need spend time to fix it. It's frustrating esepcially when I'm in the middle of composing. But as you said it's cheap and it does the job for most of times.
Thank you Trevor to share your workflow. I think I miss something in your method : I'm using Ableton & there is no enable/disable track option. I did some test project with a lot of kontakt and putting those tracks in freeze mode but the time to upload the project stays the same (tracks freed or not). Did I miss something ? Or it can't work with ableton ? Did somebody else here tried also ?
Hey Trevor, thanks for these videos, they're really informative. I'm new to Cubase, but have the same 2019 MacPro specs as you. How are you finding it's dealing with having that many instrument returns? I've been loading my different libraries into one instance per instrument and then running consolidated returns (1st Vlns Long, 1st Vlns Short, 1st Vlns Pizz, etc.) out of VE, but if the machine can handle having way more returns (disabled when not in use) it might be a good way to go.
Thank you for discussing your thoughts on this! I've been fiddling with a local VEP7/Cubase template for a while but haven't been able to get it to run smoothly and am returning to the setup you mentioned (all my VSTs inside Cubase, deactivated but ready to go with a click). Do all these deactivated VSTs result in lengthy save times for you? Or do they once you activate them?
Thanks Trevor. Locally loaded, just one computer. The way I love it.
Very cool!! It would be nice to see the Burbank Studio :)
Its a smaller version of my home, but at heart almost identical
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Right on :)
VE PRO Rocks on a Slave or Local. It just doubles your power.
Great video! I was working on locally loaded kontakt for long time, then I tried VEP. For obvious reasons it has its own benefits, but lack of flexibility kills workflow, which in my opinion is the most important part, so I switched back from VEP. I really like your approach, where disabling is the key to keep it big, but on the sleep, ready to go with right settings whenever you need any specific sound.
What about more modular way? I tend to use Cubase archives import quickly whole pallete of instruments ready to go, for instance some stuff specific for certain mood like dark dungeon etc, or the whole string section.
I also have question, do you divide mics for separate outputs in kontakt for spitfire stuff? It seems to be good to have more control over microphones for stems, but then simplicity of just one output and using mics controlled by midi instead, is tempting, especially if in one track we want to go from very far ambient sound to very close, automated across the cue.
Anyway, thanks for posting this one Trevor, big fan of your work here!
Both was are valid, there is no one right way for sure.
Hi Trevor, thank you for the great videos.
How does the 1 pc setup fare when writing long suites?
Excellent
Great video Trevor, how do you access your libraries from your mac to the Monster PC?
I just recently migrated to the new mac pro, all in that one box
Hi Trevor, I'm enjoying your videos. I'm curious how you keep what I would imagine would be hundreds of VST Instrument Kontakt windows permanently in the background in Cubase. I put a lot of effort over the past year into building a VEP template that I run on the same machine but of course I don't have the ease of updating the routing that your system has. (my preference is for a clean and minimal set of VI plugins so I work with 12 VE Pro plugins) thx. A
I've actually just begun to integrate VEP, so this is very relevant for me right now! I've been a Logic Pro user since 2009, and this year I decided to make the switch to Windows. Built myself a killer PC, chose Cubase as my new DAW, and I've begun crafting my template using VEP. This template is taking me sooooo long to put together, and all the while I've been thinking "this better be worth it."
So during the days that I'm spending setting up my template, I still have work coming in, so I need to be functional. So I made myself a "lite" template with locally loaded samples within Cubase... and I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time with VEP 😅
I really appreciate your insight here! I'm going to see how using VEP goes for a while, but it's great to know that I don't necessarily have to "conform".
Let me know how it goes, there is no ONE way that works. Post your results
Thank you very much for showing us your workflow! I was thinking.....perhaps instead of having the different kontakt instances deactivated, why not save them in a purged state? Your processor speeds should be able to cache the samples you are playing on the fly, and avoid you having to wait those pesky 4-5 secs =)
Maybe this will shave off waiting times....I definitely avoid them like the plague!
I'd love to know if you are able to test this and if it works for you. I currently run the kontakt instances purged inside Vienna, controlled by Digital Performer as the master brain, and doing this purged instances approach lets me load templates that are way out of my computer's league (a supped up mac mini)....
Anywho, thanks again for sharing! I look forward to more stuff!
I wondered about this as well
Thanks for this, Trevor! Do having that many deactivated tracks in Cubase wear on the CPU at all? They do, right? I'm currently using VEP with Cubase, but you do make a compelling argument and I think I'm going to build a new template to try it out :)
Hey man love your videos! What CPU specs do you have? Going to upgrade my stuff and just want to know from a film composer perspective what is good!
Super interesting stuff Trevor! Do you ever work on a laptop? If so, which one? I am using a 2TB 16” Macbook Pro with 8-core cpu and 64GB. Going for a minimal template in logic and finding it quite comfortable. Just wish wireless headphones could be used to make the setup even simpler.
I'm using a hybrid approach. Blank, generic VEP instances with a separate Kontakt instance for each MIDI channel (16*16=256 per instance). I enable/disable channels in VEP as I go along. I tried to have a fixed template but my latest projects were so diverse it became useless. Of course there are some challenges to my approach, namely track naming and bussing but I'm used to it. At least I have the routing ready so I just load patches and rename & colour the empty tracks. If I don't like the sound I press a button and it makes the track generic again.
sweet
Great video Trevor. Do you find that this new setup has affected your writing style in anyway? Maybe less is more type of approach?
not really, just the short delay to open anything, but you get used to it. WAY less down time
Isn’t that funny that now composers also needs to be like a geek squad . Thanks for sharing !
I'd feel bad calling everyone geeks if I wasn't... you know a huge geek myself :)
@@TrevorMorrisComposer I don't feel bad at all. Being a geek in this time it's a privilege. I am 70% geek myself lol
Hey Trevor! Love this video. VERY curious to hear if you end up with a Mac Pro setup though that rivals your PC for performance and stability. I was VEP, then all local for awhile, then back to VEP....but all on Mac. Cubase on Mac, for me, is just really unstable, and while loading locally technically worked, it made stability and save times too much to deal with. But I'm gonna bite the bullet and just build a local template on my PC and see if stability improves. I have a feeling it will, based on what I read in the Cubase forums (and I imagine instability is not something you'd deal with).
I did a video on that very thing !
How do you manage saving times? I mean, I used to use with my humble pc a template like that but it took forever to save (and it was pretty unstable if I had a full orchestra loaded). Then I switched to VEPro 7 and I use both Cubase and VEPro 7 locally, having the patches disabled in VEPro 7 and also having the instances decoupled. It saves almost instantly, which is pretty fine, but I also miss the flexibility of having all in just Cubase.
My PC is an i7 8800k or something like that, with SSDs for everything and 64 RAM (not a beast, of course).
I liked your video very much!
Saving isn't that bad, with full VEP slaves the "overhead" is there when you save whether your cue is solo piano or action. So now its only saving whats in your sequence. Small difference but works for me
Hi Trevor .. thanks for this .. this has really helped me build my current template and to understand how a constantly evolving template could be manageable. Just one question. If you have ended up "building" new things whilst working on a project and want to add them to your template, I assume you're just removing everything specific to the project (midi, automation, tempo, siganture etc) and then doing a save as template? Or did I miss something?
As a long-time VEP user, a father with less time to be in the studio and a composer with more music to write than before, I must say, Trevor, that I really like what I am seeing here. I think I am very tempted to go this one-machine route. Thanks for the great insight and inspiration. I am definitely looking for ways to optimize time, across all parts of the job.
aren't we all !
@@TrevorMorrisComposer How long does a fully orchestrated Cubase project take to load? I'm currently a Mac Pro + 3 dual xeon guy, but I'd love to go to this. I'm thinking the new Threadripper Pro with (up to) 2TB might be a game changer.
@@nathanpadgett2183 Threadripper is going to kick maximum ass no doubt. My template loads very quickly and saves just fine. I have 8TB internal drive for apps and 374GB of RAM
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Yeah can’t wait to test out the new Threadripper.
My current setup sounds like your older ones. Dual Xeon Dell Tower with 256GB ram for Berlin, Spitfire, and other random Kontakt. Another with 128GB just for Play libraries.
My 3rd PC is a “per project” VEP. So, there I will save a VEPro Metaframe for the project I'm working on and load Output stuff or the 8dio soundesign type stuff that I don’t want in every project, but that I also don’t want bogging down my session.
But, as i type, my 256GB orchestral PC crashed a little while ago, and I’m 50% through loading the template and it’s been 12 minutes…..
@@TrevorMorrisComposer I love the idea of being able to make my rig more mobile personally. Would love to be able to take the kids to an Airbnb for a few weeks while I work during the day.
I have a 5000 track template like that since last summer .Still when i load an instance of Kontakt with its 7-8 midi tracks the inputs are missing.Then QLink and re assign them at once.Anybody else have figured this out ? (great video mate thank you )
Thanks for this, Trevor! Only one thing I don't understand. 44 minutes to load something doesn't sound right to me (nothing purged and not decoupled I guess??). I also love working with only one machine! I'm on Cubase BUT I'm using VEP locally, on the same machine. I keep VEP for the stuff that won't change (orchestral) AND, with a 256 buffer size in Cubase, I'm using different buffer multipliers for each section (piano and perc 0 = 256, WW and Brass 1 = 512 and strings 2 = 768). This way I can spread the load and have the best of two worlds: Cubase for the evolving template, and all the VEP stuff always ready but decoupled (0 lag time when saving!)!
yeah thats a cool way of working too
Do you use any of that outboard back there anymore and what for? Great vids, love it! Thanks!
I do I use it all, but to taste. And If I had other composers working with me, I print hard audio of whatever I did, since they can't recreate anything I do through hardware.
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Beautiful thanks and Love your work!!!
@@sourcefor pound
Seeing the episode, ordering an other 32 gb ram, rewatching the episode 👍
Strong Play !
Another great video, Trevor! As a long-time VEP devotee, I've just recently switched to this kind of a setup in both Cubase and Logic - Logic has a very nice setting that allows you to default to only loading the plugins required for the specific project. One question: it appears that you load only one instrument patch per instance of Kontakt; do you do this mainly to facilitate mixing directly in the template, or have you found an advantage in resource usage now that you've switched to using a single computer? Apologies if you've covered this elsewhere and I missed it. Thank you for your generosity!
I find loading multi kontakts I usually end up just looking for one sounds, so all my Kontaks are singles. If that makes sense
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Yes, I know the feeling. Thank you!
Hey Trevor,
thanks for doing those videos!
I started a template like this but had to abort it when reaching around 600 tracks as every autosave (which i have set to 6 minutes) took over 40 seconds.
That grew bigger and bigger the more tracks i put in (most of them disabled) and was unbearable.
Must have been Cubase 9.5 or 10.
Did they change anything there, on which version did you switch to this approach?
The idea is good, but i lost too much time. My VEPro never crashes and is up in 15 minutes, so that is not a problem. Nonetheless i see benefits in tis method.
Thanks for any insight on this.
Those save times forced me to go back to a moderate VEPro based setup (on one machine, rarely use my slave anymore).
you're welcome. I dig into my template for you soon
Hi Trevor, I currently use a Mac with 2 slave PCs. I would really like to migrate to a disable template in a single computer. Can you share the specs of your computer by chance? Thanks so much for sharing all your knowledge!
Hey Trevor thanks so much for this video struggling with my vep setup currently. Question, im assuming your running an instance of kontakt per patch? Or are you doing multis of some type?
I use only single instances, for me defeats the point of loading a bunch of stuff into RAM when I only want a certain patch
Hey Trevor, great video! Since you're running locally now, what are you using for video? Video slave? And are you still exporting stems into Pro Tools? Thanks and stay safe! Cheers
I still use ProTools for video and organizing my prints
I have my samples all on a thunderbolt 3 SSD and I purge al the samples. The SSD is fast enough that I can enable a track and it plays instantaneously. Load time is quicker too.
Hello Trevor. I’m an aspiring film/tv composer and before watching this video I was thinking of going with a 2 system setup where one has VEP that running the samples but after watching this video there is absolutely no need to spend double the money for another system. Just making a good investment into a good single strong system would be better for me. Thank you for that. The one question I have for you is where do you store your sample library files? In the ssd or a separate hard drive?
internal RAID (big one ;)
Logic Pro has an a setting that loads up your template and the tracks that have nothing on them are loaded up but your plugins are disabled. It only enables the track when you start to use it. I am surprised that Cubase doesn’t have that.
well its kind of a different animal, but in theory I love what you are saying
Hey Trevor love the channel and your music. You may have already answered this but do you use single or multiple instances of Kontakt in your templates?
I do only single instances for the way I work
@@TrevorMorrisComposer thank you!
Great. Been using slaves and servers for years. And yes, it's a bit of a hassle to work with. So now I'm investing in a new workstation that could handle all i need without the servers.. Really looking forward to it. What is your workstation specs?
By the way: nice video with some good information. Also funny seeing the control room/server room at remote control.
Yeah I built that server room
Great video!
I was wondering what do you do when projects get big, lots of parts are playing in the same time
Does it hold up?
Or do you have to freeze and render tracks?
I don't think I ever had to freeze on my PC, and now that I am on the new Mac Pro I had loads of headroom. But if you have a slower computer having to render or freeze a bit isnt the end of the world. But for me, I don't have an issue with that
Trevor Morris
Agree
Thanks for your comment and for sharing this very useful info 🙏🙏
Great video, thanks. Any idea how to do the activate kontakt thing in Logic?
no but I can find out
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Thanks that'd be great! I've tried turning off the channel itself but kontakt's ram usage seems to stay the same.
HI Trevor, thanks for generously sharing all this great experience and information with us. So just to double verify - you're not even using VEPro within the one box and cubase right?
nope no VEP, just locally loaded single Kontakts in Cubase
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Wow...that is a beautiful thing! Thanks again and I can't wait for your new Mac Pro comparison/review when the time is right ;).
Thanks for the deep explaination. But this shows that I'm on the right path using local Kontakt with Offline FX 😂 I'll be honest, imagine having 3 PC's or more patched with a switch and audio over network scares me. Because if you don't have an assistant, you need to keep all the machines running, and Windows does some crazy sh*t sometimes! :D I'd rather keep one machine working and have the ability to quickly clone the drive with all the FX and stuff.
What is this bass hanging behind you on the wall?
Now THIS is what I've been waiting for...LOL This solidified for me about not starting with VEP (even though I have the latest). I am no where near the firepower you have, but good enough for now. Also wondering...as long as we are talking about cloning setups...if you were to hire an assistant composer, would you require the exact same setup as yours (Cubase and PC), or would you not care as long as the results are the same? Curious what you think about using PT as a main DAW, now that it has folders finally, it's much more manageable. I have the latest Cubase Pro, but haven't switched over yet...your thoughts?
For me PT isn't at the highest level for sequencing music, at least for me. Pro Audio for sure 100% its the gold standard. I have support composers working with me, depending on their skill and level of involvement I may require them to clone me. I have a lot of hyper tweaked things in my template that give me "my sound"
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Absolutely. I'm a pro recording/mix engineer...so PT is like second nature to me, and what I am familiar with, but surely lacks a bit compared to Cubase. I just can't wrap my head around the workflow that easily in Cubase...LOL But it's one of those "need to know" DAWs in order to be compatible, hence why I have it. Thanks for the reply...loved your "sound" on Vikings! Awesome production.
@@jaketanner109 Just different tools is all. ProTools is our ONLY universal DAW. The rest is personal taste really
@@TrevorMorrisComposer true. So files still need to be delivered in PT format?
hi trevor, how are you? I would like to know when the instrumental soundtrack of the Reign series will be available on your website and Spotify? I would like Francis and Mary's instrumentals a lot, I love them a lot and calm down a lot due to my anxiety. your work is amazing. You help me so much, even if I don't know. I would be very happy if you answered me. I just want to know if I'm still hoping to wait for the instrumental track to come out ... if you don't, please let me know. or if you can send me the beautiful melody I would be forever grateful. a big hug. I will be your eternal fan.
Thanks Lucas
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Hi again, friend ... I would like you to answer me if the instrumental of the series reign of the characters francis and mary will be available? you have no idea, how this melody calms my anxiety. your work touches me and calms me down every day. this is amazing. for me to listen I have to put it in the series and watch the episode 2x02 repeatedly to hear the instrumental.
Disabled Instrument templates are great but as you load more enabled Instrument tracks, the longer the save times. And with auto save on every 5 minutes (or whatever anyone uses) this really becomes a drag for me at times. Hate the beachball with Mac soI'll be definitely moving back to PC and I think it's gotta be Threadripper. Great video and thanks for sharing your time.
True True, but on smaller to mid sized cues its way faster than it was with all the VEP overhead. This whole thing is an exercise in compromise
Trevor Morris Yeah sure thing man! I’m curious about using expression maps and then using bio directional communication with your touch screen to select the arts. I’m about to embark on trying this out as I’m sick of having so many separate tracks in my template. Does it work well? I’ve got concerns about layering arts, how to have two legatos for divisi (I’m guessing a second instrument track with the second legato on it?). Love the idea of having less tracks and setting up my touch screen to select each art but it’s a sickening amount of time to plough into something if it doesn’t work well at the end! 😂
@@Mrjononotbono lets do a video on that then !
@@Mrjononotbono it works fine for me, not like 100% fine but you know....
Trevor Morris That would be excellent man! Thanks!
I guess I should also throw in this question relating to the art selection. Do the buttons on the touchscreen change as the different arts playback? I’m wondering because if they do change on the touch screen, it would indicate what articulation is currently being played (if you stopped playback) and that’s a good thing. Anyway man, thanks for doing these videos. Gold!
Thanks for this video Trevor - do you ever work with instruments with multiple outputs and have any issues, or do you just run one instrument, one stereo output kind of deal? Cheers!
For me just singles but you could do meaningful groups on a K16 I guess ? Like all your favorite short strings etc
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Thanks a lot man - great of you to help us climbing the ladder. :)
@@NickHintonMusic my pleasure
@@NickHintonMusic you got it, please share
Hot damn, just how much does your PC crash? Cause mine like, hardly ever crashes
Superduper pro tip:
If you come across a cool sound during a project, and you want to integrate it into your template, you can save the track as a preset.
So maybe name it TM200521_Dreamy Piano or something, and next time you update your template, just load in all new presets you saved since the last update.
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Hi Trevor, thanks for sharing this video!! Your set up and how you control your workflow seems awesome!! I have a question if you don't mind? I am seriously thinking of getting VEP because i want to create my own orchestral template with a similar set up to your, in other words, everything disabled until i need it!! The only thing is, is my set up is a small set up. I run everything on a single computer (windows 10) that only has 16 Gb RAM!!!! This is the maximum ram that my machine will hold!!!!!!!! I do not have the resources and cash , or the space in my home studio to run slave machines etc. My question is...............With all the Orchestral libraries i have ( spitfire audio, Kirk Hunter studios, Sonokinetic,, Sonuscore, IKMultimedia, Redroomaudio, VSL, to name few?) could you possible give me any idea of how big a template i could house in VEP on my PC? I am fairly new to orchestral composing and looking to speed up my workflow. Hope all this makes sense? I also hope that i have given you enough info in order to be able to answer my question? Many thank!! Best Regards. #STAY SAFE
Sorry, forgot to add that i run CUBASE PRO 10.5!!!!
making it work !
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Thanks.
Hi Trevor, nice QA! Do you find that you have CPU issues when holding all your instruments in Cubase? I notice with my own setup that I can hold many more instruments when hosting them in VEP. Thanks!
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Editing to add a thought I just had… another benefit of hosting everything in Cubase would be that you can work on the instrument track directly and not have to worry about handling the MIDI and audio tracks separately. That reason alone may be enough to get me off VEP 🤔
Are these all instrument tracks?
what are your saving times when you are in a busy session? how long does it take to save when u hit save?
not long at all since there is very little overhead, unlike network connection where all the overhead is present all the time even if you are writing solo piano, make sense ?
Trevor Morris thanks. What are your thoughts on a hackintosh? I think now they have gotten them to work reliably
Trevor Morris I was just wonder when you get to a point when the arrangement gets very full. Full orchestra and a lot of active tracks if the save times were slow.
What are specs of your computer?
Trevor. Asking for a friend :P. How do you deal with the huuuge file sizes (also with disabled tracks) of each project file in Cubase? It takes a long time to save, and a long time to exit a project. In my rig it's a nightmare to quit a big project. It takes a long time and it hangs very often so I have to force quit.
doesnt take long at all in mind really, I wonder why yours does ?
@@TrevorMorrisComposer Trevor, is your project drive one of those fancy M.2 SATA SSDs? I heard that even with a huge local template save times are a breeze with those things. I have a regular HDD for projects and the huge save times on my local template was the reason for me going with VEPro.
How big is your average Cubase file size for something like this
I’ve been an advocate for this for a while. VE Pro is so much of a pain to use and slows everything down. How many tracks have you been able to run at once and what is the spec on this PC?
a LOT ! although I just migrated to a new Mac pro, basically same setup diff platform
Trevor Morris THANKS! I think I’ll need a big gig before I update my classic cheese grater to a newer, shinier model
@@rossoconnor4 yeah stuff ain't cheap !
Trevor Morris if you don’t like yours can I have it? 😂😂😂
Many thanks for your slant on your template and the move to 'in the box'. Your the man :-)
Its a while (2 to 2.5 years) since I built my Dell 12-server setup (each with VEP6 now VEP7 on Windows Server 2012, 24-threads, 224GB, all running across 10Gbps network, from a 12TB SSD RAID), and for me that's fine. Latency isn't too bad at 256ms . Though I have to say I'm definitely going to take a look at your approach.
Interesting that I didn't see any Cubase MIDI tracks in your template, but all instruments. So, do you record your MIDI data on your instrument tracks and not use MIDI tracks at all?
There's no one way for everyone, just relaying why work the way I do and what got me there. No midi tracks in my template except for my external hardware samplers. All the Kontakts you just record you cc data just like MIDI would only you're controlling the instrument directly
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I love Cubase. It’s my fav and prob the best out there. However, I’m forced to use Logic this because cubase still hasn’t solved some minor (easy), but crucial, facets. I.e as you mentioned here, you have to click on the activate button on/off every time to initiate your track!?! Why can’t they implement it automatically like in Logic? If there isn’t anything played or recorded on the tracks, then they remain un-active. The second you press your cursor on the track, it activates automatically. This is just one of the “illogic” things that prevent me from using the worlds best DAW :-(.
Just a tool, as a chef whatever knives and pans suit you best, use them to make amazing food. Savvy ? ;)
Trevor Morris True and wise. I’m probably venting more than normally these days 🥴
@@AlexanderAndresen aren't we all
But sonically there is no difference? Also how bad is the latency and how is the sync with the video that's hosted on a seperate protools rig?