The bleeding on the sheet thing is so wicked and evil by itself we can end the moral analysis right there. How do they not die of shame trying to defend this stuff? 🤮
This practice still exists in parts of India and in Egypt. It has been made illegal in parts of India but it hasnt changed the practice. Though stonings don't usually happen social ostracism does.
Justin, your calm and forthright demeanour is as compelling as your unequalled knowledge of Christian scriptures and history. It is always a pleasure to listen to your feed. Keep up the great work, it's hugely appreciated.
@Deconstruction_Zone interesting how Christians say the Bible is the CLEAR proof of God but anytime you want to read the book they either say "well there's different meanings" or just don't want to talk about it at all. Very interesting.
Goddam. My new favorite channel. Justin, you are amazing. It's incredible watching and listening to these people twist themselves into knots attempting to justify their book of falsehoods and lies. Please, don't ever stop.
This guy is so frustrated by his continuous failures, being blocked at every pivot and deflection, yet never stops to realize his beliefs are a bunch of bullshit (it’s so simple).
@@bodricthered we obviously agree -- but it is a really annoying truth that the human brain is commonly fooled by a stream of assertions based on their number alone.
Great observation! He doesn’t even seem to care that much of the physical evidence that he has turned out to be debunked. You think that if you truly believe that this was justification for your faith that having it verified to be inaccurate, would cause you to be genuinely disappointed. It’s almost a deep down. He knows it’s not really reliable.
I subscribed after listening to the 2 hr 55 min MythVision podcast you were speaking on, and my friend... you do NOT disappoint! Great work. Impressive debating skills.
I haven’t noticed it make a diffeeence.We can always hope that something stuck. Kinda like the red hats tho, they appear to be impervious to truth and or reality. I’m so glad to be old. Won’t have to see the COMPLETE fall of society.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Thank you for the content. Glad you are spreading truth and also glad to see that the other atheist content creators on YT are taking notice (saw you co-hosting the Line with Godless Engineer).
im a conservative and i have no cons.. cant stand trumpsters cant stand libtards cant stand theists.. the rest of the people i can stand.. a realist indeed
Brice: [Presents a piece of evidence for the Positive Column!] Aren't you going to at least give it to me as a Plus 1? Justin: [Presents a piece of evidence for the Negative Column] Brice: That's fine. Me: Well, aren't you going to count that as a Plus 1 for the Negative Column?
Exactly! And in Part 2, Brice complains that evidence doesn't matter for a skeptic, which is ironic, because a particular skeptic (this channel) keeps using actual evidence to rebut his arguments. Please, make it stop. No, don't actually; this is very entertaining (maybe not for the apologist, though).
@@byroniac Oh, I know. It's almost like Bruce was sitting at home, watching TV and eating potato chips and thought to himself, "Hmm...I feel like getting roasted today. What can I do to make that happen?" 🤔😂
When shown a specific contradiction he says he looks at the whole. When he talks about a specific passage he doesn't want the larger context. Oh but we're just practicing extreme so-called "pure" skepticism!
Yep. It's the 'best' pic 'n' mix book of all time. Context is important (except for when it isn't), words don't mean what they say, you have to consider the whole (except for when a passage will do). Ultimate multiple choice!
Justin, your channel is one of my new favorites by far. Your demeanor is pleasant, and your knowledge is astounding. I'm jealous of how studied you are. Keep up the good work. I genuinely sympathize with those who can not be honest with themselves due to their dogmas.
Five out of Five Star rating. I’m about half way through listening to this. Justin’s question that resonates with me most is (paraphrasing) “how much of the info in the bible has to be shown to be untrue before you believe the entire thing is BS?”
I love how calm you are. It's clearly a combination of your natural demeanor, coupled with your profound and astounding knowledge of these ancient texts, histories, and cultures. It is refreshing to hear such a rationsl and knowledgeable discussion! Thank you, thank you, thank you. 🫶
There is a REASON that ministers, especially like those who trained Brice, NEVER read from certain books of the Bible. THEY KNOW that it would show the truth.
@@ψευδάνερExactly. I always say that if you do a proper historical analysis and apply a good epistemology while studying the historical data for Christianity, you would not be a Christian.
So, he says that specific things are historically accurate, and when specific historic inaccuracies are pointed out he says that it's just what historians say and isn't reliable. This is fascinating.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Brice went from snarky, confident good ol' boy to a whiny five year old 😭. This seems to be happening alot lately on your lives. Also, yapping about "pure skepticism" is a pathetic and condescending way of trying to invalidate your arguments.
The thing I find beyond comprehension is the willingness to say things like “does that mean…we don’t know?”, and then go on to base their entire worldview on that same source! 🤪 What kind of person does that?
@anthonysmitho8800 Yep. He arrogantly started out with his aren't-I-smart-gotcha-question, that no atheist can explain about the undeniably pure motives of the bible authors... only to watch his claim immediately torn to shreds.
I know a lot who have read it but never contemplated anything it says. Most of them who do turn to some type of study guide that just glosses over any problems with it and reinforces the feel good stuff.
Is there ever anyone worth talking to that hears a retort from Justin and says, "I dont know, I'll have to think about that." Seems to me there would be a lot less stuttering and oral stumbling if they would.
He came into the call with a simmering arrogance and confidence found he was out of his depth almost immediately and couldn't recover fair play he stuck with his delusion longer than I thought he might, but it was a perfect takedown by Justin "the atheist messiah" who unlike jesus fulfils prophecy by consistently cooking theists using their own book against them 👏👏
I don't think Brice is a coward or dishonest. I grew up Southern Baptist and never had my faith challenged. I lived in a bubble where I could say something about Jesus fulfilling prophecy and EVERYONE around me just believed. Brice is most likely encountering the first true test of his faith. Nobody has every presented logical counter arguments to his belief in messianic prophesy. He's just not equipped to deal with it....
@@thedude0000 It makes sense, I see your point. I was a christian too for quite some time and I teached and preached too, but my process was different. But yes, I can say I started my deconstruction when I started being honest to myself, maybe brice is not being dishonest consciously. I can imagine him thinking "my brothers will see me defending Jesus, I need to defend 'us' from those atheists attacks at all costs".
Same here. He behaves like a Mr know it all, with his condescending " sure". People like that always get smoked, when the rubber meets the road. He needs to stick to his bible studies, with people that have never read the Bible, so he can be the smartest person in the room 😂
Ohh, his smile at the end before his camera cuts out really makes me think he's bullshitting. After an hour of his "you're being to skeptical" "and how are we supposed to even know what these very clear words even mean" bullshit
This guys cope is WILD. Every time he’s put on the spot for proving a prophecy he only sighs and deflects to “pure skepticism” or “in the mind of an atheist”. I especially like the stammering and stuttering.
@@Deconstruction_Zone it slightly sad for the nice honest ones but the zealots are fun to see twist. Especially those that tell atheist that their imaginary Gods will smote them for our denial.
He made some good points on the Exodus... It would sound like a solid argument unless you knew that the story was written over 600 years after the events was said to have happened and no other civilization around Egypt wrote about any of the Exodus story in real time. The story had word for word conversions that the author wouldnt have known. This is just another mythological story in the bible.
23:54 lol Did he take a screenshot of himself LOSING the argument that he called in to start? 😅😂🤣 Also, the way he uses the made-up term "pure skeptic" to convince you that religion makes sense is like calling a black guy the n-word and then expecting him to join the KKK.
The first question Justin asked was for the most compelling evidence. The caller dodged and never came back. A discussion about details in Bronze Age texts can never be evidence for any deity.
Wonderful. Someone who agrees with my view that the OT was written during the Exile to give the Jews an origin - story with their God masterminding everything.
52:12 He says repeatedly that the Book of Mormon is not historical. How does he know? "Well, [the Book of Mormon] is wrong because why? Because a historian bases his view of how history went?" Like all apologists, he only cares about history when convenient.
Something I thought was profound was your explanation of the Babylonians starting at 33:50. If you use that argument with anybody ever they would have a difficult time trying to prove their god.🎉🎉 it blew me away how it was explained. I think this would put most people on their heels with their explanations.❤❤🎉
The caller sounds like a typical Dallas frat bro that probably graduated from Texas A&M or Baylor with a degree in “entrepreneurship” and ended up working in an investment firm because the interviewers wanted a Jimmy Fallon look-alike in their office. Thanks for embarrassing him on UA-cam DZ!
Once again the apologist demonstrates that when you start with the conclusion (the Bible is true) and work backwards, you can mentally force the square pegs of your belief into the round hole of reality. It’s the anti-scientific method, or the bizzaro-world scientific method. When you employ this method, the Bible can never be demonstrated to be wrong about anything aka inerrant.
If anything it's a cumulative case against his religion. And that's only if you don't correctly think that any of those problems completely demolish a supposedly inerrant book.
The caller’s first question could have been addressed by the fact that the Christian Bible was built off the framework set out by the Torah and Septuagint. Which was the same thing that he used to call Islam false. So that methodology fails at face value. But motive? What motive could the early church fathers have at consolidating power and authority as ordained by their interpretation of “god” in the light of following a “prophet” that failed to demonstrate his coming apocalypse and that didn’t fulfill any of the prophecies that his original religion had held? What motive could a group have in doing that? Yeah, consolidating power and exerting authority. The church fathers would have benefitted from it.
Also he keeps wanting to talking about motive. Dude there’s a ton of motive to be at the head of a church. Being martyred doesn’t make the faith true otherwise every bomber is truthful. Jim Jordan would be true. It’s such a weak argument. And “pure skepticism” is a bs way to dismiss criticism.
7:44 It's not prophecy when it's written in the same book. It's not even interesting. It's just expected. Like, we're not surprised when Harry Potter meets Voldemort at the end of the movie. The whole movie leads up to their meeting.
Exactly. And if 100 years from now, someone writes Harry Potter fan fiction, and has their protagonist saying “It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live” and then writes "so that it might be fulfilled," they haven't actually written a prophecy. They're just making a derivative work.
This is peak Christian crying. The hurt tone of his voice every time a dumb talking point is exposed is priceless. All based on his feelies, he wants this to be true.
It's really difficult to take guys like this seriously. Because they are self aware enough and just barely honest enough to go bit by bit, passage by passage and admit each one is on shaky ground... But then they always pull it back to the big picture and say "well it's not just that, it's the whole thing and the sheer number of things that have come true". Right after you've debunked every single point they've brought up. It makes me think this is just a hobby for them, and no amount of evidence will change their mind. I'm sure in reality, they have faith-based, embarrassingly bad reasons for believing, and this is just a face they put on for the public to propagandize. I really really do not like religious apologists, I think they are all dishonest on some level.. but it's guys like this that really have me scratching my head hours after listening just wondering how they could be this obviously wrong yet still find a way to believe.
Omg thank you justin this was so entertaining and educational. I love hearing everyone perceptions of the same historic events its crazy to imagine . I wish i could read ancient languages as well as u it takes years to build knowledge i really appreciate u sharing things it took you so much time to find. 😇. I like to research older religions n looking into learning ancient sandskrit or chinese. Call me a geek but thnx for filling in some timeline confusions i had too. Always loved bruce lees teachings did a look into toism and the history . How Hinduism became budism all the wars its fasinating although an athiest i still love to read about this stuff. Would be amazing to see you discuss what other stuff you learnt on your journey. I bet its so much more fun knowing context and language tho. Totally here for the great content 😇 Praise doug!! For sending Justin 😁.
Atheists making religious people think, in the not too long ago we would be jailed or killed for it, that is how these ridiculous book has gone unquestioned for so long. I appreciate a younger different look, keep it up.
Praise Doug for his mercy and kindness. Although he created a world with volcanoes and spontaneous cancer, at least he doesn't damn people to eternal torture, or command genocides, or condone the keeping of slaves.
@ I wish I could take credit for the name play, but I copied it from someone else, as I laughed the first time I saw it, too. It’s perfect, isn’t it? 🤣
Justin you forgot to mention that when Moses escaped egypt with the Jews, they escaped into Egypt... The Canaan was part of Egypt so, Moses escaped from Egypt into Egypt?
The struggling was asphyxiating. Interesting discussion as usual, can't wait for part two. Your memory and knowledge on the subject is unbelievable. Have you ever written a book or are you planning to?
I think you misunderstood. Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE, after the 2nd temple was desecrated by Antiocus IV. This is detailed in 1 Maccabees 1-2, 2 Maccabees 4-6, Daniel 8, and Josephus. Also, any decent study bible will explain it.
Hello Justin. My de-conversion occurred 5 years ago after I started listening to mythvision, and reading the scholarship of Drs Miller, MacDonald, Carrier, Bowen, to name a few. I’ve watched your videos and I know you take the Godless stand now. As a fellow engineer I’m trying to solve the problem of what’s the meaning and purpose of love, hate, music, beauty, ugliness, pleasure, suffering, etc. What really perplexes me is when I see children joyfully playing together, their innocence, and their love of life… i just can’t wrap my head around how this came about evolutionary without a purpose. If you have a plausible answer please shed some light. Thank you for your passion.
The kids without joy will not thrive in life. That will trickle down in partner choice and eventually favor a level of optimism you recognize as joyful play.
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The bleeding on the sheet thing is so wicked and evil by itself we can end the moral analysis right there. How do they not die of shame trying to defend this stuff? 🤮
I wouldn't have as a Christian. I was honest enough to walk away
This practice still exists in parts of India and in Egypt. It has been made illegal in parts of India but it hasnt changed the practice. Though stonings don't usually happen social ostracism does.
Honestly, this is brilliant. So calm. Laying out the facts. Slaying.
Justin, your calm and forthright demeanour is as compelling as your unequalled knowledge of Christian scriptures and history. It is always a pleasure to listen to your feed. Keep up the great work, it's hugely appreciated.
Than you friend 🫶
@Deconstruction_Zone interesting how Christians say the Bible is the CLEAR proof of God but anytime you want to read the book they either say "well there's different meanings" or just don't want to talk about it at all. Very interesting.
A man!
Goddam. My new favorite channel. Justin, you are amazing. It's incredible watching and listening to these people twist themselves into knots attempting to justify their book of falsehoods and lies. Please, don't ever stop.
This guy is so frustrated by his continuous failures, being blocked at every pivot and deflection, yet never stops to realize his beliefs are a bunch of bullshit (it’s so simple).
Didn't you realize that the plural of bullshit is fact?
I thought it was steaming pile...
@@bodricthered we obviously agree -- but it is a really annoying truth that the human brain is commonly fooled by a stream of assertions based on their number alone.
Great observation! He doesn’t even seem to care that much of the physical evidence that he has turned out to be debunked. You think that if you truly believe that this was justification for your faith that having it verified to be inaccurate, would cause you to be genuinely disappointed. It’s almost a deep down. He knows it’s not really reliable.
I subscribed after listening to the 2 hr 55 min MythVision podcast you were speaking on, and my friend... you do NOT disappoint! Great work. Impressive debating skills.
Thank you friend!!
Brilliant work again Justin. It never gets old seeing a theist being exposed to the flimsy underpinnings of their beliefs.
🫶🫶 thanks for watching
I haven’t noticed it make a diffeeence.We can always hope that something stuck. Kinda like the red hats tho, they appear to be impervious to truth and or reality. I’m so glad to be old. Won’t have to see the COMPLETE fall of society.
@@patticriss2238It does happen, but almost never during a debate when their guard is up.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Thank you for the content. Glad you are spreading truth and also glad to see that the other atheist content creators on YT are taking notice (saw you co-hosting the Line with Godless Engineer).
@@patticriss2238
Remember there are other Christians watching too, and the seed of reason is planted in their heads as well.
Shows caller a lie in the bible. Caller says that’s fine. Shows caller failed prophecy. Caller says that’s fine. Shows caller historical inaccuracy. Caller says that’s fine. Hey caller … no it’s not fine.
@@Whereisyourevidence 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought I was the only one who noticed that. How can it be fine if the book keeps failing at every turn
People don’t seem to know how to be conservative without a con.
im a conservative and i have no cons.. cant stand trumpsters cant stand libtards cant stand theists..
the rest of the people i can stand.. a realist indeed
💯% agreed. It's not spelt with a CON by accident!
I love how its "pure" skeptisism only when applied to their own beliefs.
Brice: [Presents a piece of evidence for the Positive Column!] Aren't you going to at least give it to me as a Plus 1?
Justin: [Presents a piece of evidence for the Negative Column]
Brice: That's fine.
Me: Well, aren't you going to count that as a Plus 1 for the Negative Column?
Exactly! And in Part 2, Brice complains that evidence doesn't matter for a skeptic, which is ironic, because a particular skeptic (this channel) keeps using actual evidence to rebut his arguments. Please, make it stop. No, don't actually; this is very entertaining (maybe not for the apologist, though).
@@byroniac Oh, I know. It's almost like Bruce was sitting at home, watching TV and eating potato chips and thought to himself, "Hmm...I feel like getting roasted today. What can I do to make that happen?" 🤔😂
@@LarryJones-v1f 😂
When shown a specific contradiction he says he looks at the whole. When he talks about a specific passage he doesn't want the larger context.
Oh but we're just practicing extreme so-called "pure" skepticism!
Yep. It's the 'best' pic 'n' mix book of all time. Context is important (except for when it isn't), words don't mean what they say, you have to consider the whole (except for when a passage will do).
Ultimate multiple choice!
Justin, your channel is one of my new favorites by far. Your demeanor is pleasant, and your knowledge is astounding. I'm jealous of how studied you are. Keep up the good work.
I genuinely sympathize with those who can not be honest with themselves due to their dogmas.
Thank you friend!
Five out of Five Star rating. I’m about half way through listening to this. Justin’s question that resonates with me most is (paraphrasing) “how much of the info in the bible has to be shown to be untrue before you believe the entire thing is BS?”
I remember watching this live. The “yeah that’s fine” guy 😂
0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0=100 according to this guy 😂
only counting favorable evidence
I love how calm you are. It's clearly a combination of your natural demeanor, coupled with your profound and astounding knowledge of these ancient texts, histories, and cultures. It is refreshing to hear such a rationsl and knowledgeable discussion!
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
🫶
Thank you friend 🫶
There is a REASON that ministers, especially like those who trained Brice, NEVER read from certain books of the Bible. THEY KNOW that it would show the truth.
The caller has a profound lack of knowledge of his own religion.
doesnt every christian? thats the whole reason they stay in the religion
@@ψευδάνερExactly. I always say that if you do a proper historical analysis and apply a good epistemology while studying the historical data for Christianity, you would not be a Christian.
@@rodneymcintyre8544 It's like old what's his name says, "Christians are like mushrooms, they're kept in the dark and fed s***"
Just like my super indoctrinated family, can’t admit something is wrong with God’s word, even sensing something is wrong while debating about it😂
So, he says that specific things are historically accurate, and when specific historic inaccuracies are pointed out he says that it's just what historians say and isn't reliable.
This is fascinating.
I wanna thank you Justin for your superior work💜 Every time i listen you absolutely blow my mind💯
As a Texas resident, i can tell you he is a typical, “God fearing” arrogant Christbro. They have contempt for anyone not like them.
Brice is way too used to living in an echo chamber where people don't push back on his bad talking points.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Brice went from snarky, confident good ol' boy to a whiny five year old 😭. This seems to be happening alot lately on your lives. Also, yapping about "pure skepticism" is a pathetic and condescending way of trying to invalidate your arguments.
The thing I find beyond comprehension is the willingness to say things like “does that mean…we don’t know?”, and then go on to base their entire worldview on that same source! 🤪 What kind of person does that?
Oh my if he says “that’s fine” and then moves the goalposts one more time I’m gonna scream!
Oh dear ?
God isn't exactly sending his best to prove his existence ?
Brice has done nothing but make his God look dumb !
@@jeffc2630 bless his heart
Its not hard.
But, I assume, some are good people 😂
It’s crazy how much faith people put into a book they never read.
Agreed. It's more and more apparent that the 'faith' is in what the book says, without ever turning a single page!
@anthonysmitho8800
Yep. He arrogantly started out with his aren't-I-smart-gotcha-question, that no atheist can explain about the undeniably pure motives of the bible authors... only to watch his claim immediately torn to shreds.
When I ask Christians if they've ever read the Bible, cover to cover.... they scurry away. Every time
When I ask Christians if they've ever read the Bible, cover to cover.... they scurry away. Every time
I know a lot who have read it but never contemplated anything it says. Most of them who do turn to some type of study guide that just glosses over any problems with it and reinforces the feel good stuff.
He entered the call by having this arrogant, confident, laugh.
Once he was getting disproved, his expressions changed.
Yes it typically goes that way with Justin. Smileys turn into frownys very quickly
Is there ever anyone worth talking to that hears a retort from Justin and says, "I dont know, I'll have to think about that."
Seems to me there would be a lot less stuttering and oral stumbling if they would.
Coming into my Oklahoma
Town, there is a huge, brick and mortar entryway that announces, “You are now entering the buckle of the Bible Belt. Ughhhhh
This guy is extremely annoying. Every time you give him a hard question or show he’s wrong he whines and grunts like a child.
Texas the Bible Belt buckle?……..please, maybe decades ago, but Oklahoma has held that dishonorable label for a hot minute now
1:05:47 Spider-Man lives in New York, New York is a real place therefore Spidey exists. 😂
All praise Doug!
🪨🪨
@ Doug is my younger brothers name and he would love a rock god with his name sake.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Doug is clearly the stone 🪨 the builders rejected and is truly the rock 🪨 of faith!
He came into the call with a simmering arrogance and confidence found he was out of his depth almost immediately and couldn't recover fair play he stuck with his delusion longer than I thought he might, but it was a perfect takedown by Justin "the atheist messiah" who unlike jesus fulfils prophecy by consistently cooking theists using their own book against them 👏👏
Why on every response to their claims he NEEDS to pivot instantly to another subject... they are so coward and dishonest...
I don't think Brice is a coward or dishonest. I grew up Southern Baptist and never had my faith challenged. I lived in a bubble where I could say something about Jesus fulfilling prophecy and EVERYONE around me just believed.
Brice is most likely encountering the first true test of his faith. Nobody has every presented logical counter arguments to his belief in messianic prophesy. He's just not equipped to deal with it....
@@thedude0000 It makes sense, I see your point. I was a christian too for quite some time and I teached and preached too, but my process was different. But yes, I can say I started my deconstruction when I started being honest to myself, maybe brice is not being dishonest consciously.
I can imagine him thinking "my brothers will see me defending Jesus, I need to defend 'us' from those atheists attacks at all costs".
I genuinely dislike this caller.
He’s probably one of my neighbors. 🤮
Yeah he’s so frustrating to listen to.
Same here. He behaves like a Mr know it all, with his condescending " sure". People like that always get smoked, when the rubber meets the road. He needs to stick to his bible studies, with people that have never read the Bible, so he can be the smartest person in the room 😂
A perfect example of the dangers of religion to the mind.
His ignorance only matched his confidence
"Run to the Hills" comes from Iron Maiden!
Yeah but Justin; how do you know that when the cow jumps over the moon, they won't have a sacrifice in heaven?😂😂😂
He doesn’t know how to listen or be open to being wrong, that’s the frustrating part
Ohh, his smile at the end before his camera cuts out really makes me think he's bullshitting. After an hour of his "you're being to skeptical" "and how are we supposed to even know what these very clear words even mean" bullshit
This guys cope is WILD. Every time he’s put on the spot for proving a prophecy he only sighs and deflects to “pure skepticism” or “in the mind of an atheist”. I especially like the stammering and stuttering.
Yeah, how dare we not accept everything in his slavery manual!
The passive-aggressive jabs from this Christian are obnoxious.
How many times is Brice gonna say "yeah that's fine but...I mean..." How thick is a brick! Hahaha he ran.
Can’t wait for the Babble Buckle pt 2 😁😁 👍
I love the heartbeat sound-clip.
Do you know what critical thinking means?
Yes. Reading the bible then criticizing anybody who thinks about it too deeply.
Incredible that for thousands of years people have believed these stories with so little evidence.
Some of these theist are so caught up in their beliefs it can be hard to watch them twist and turn in high hopes they aren’t wrong.
They don’t even know that Judaism and Catholic Church is not monotheism but a pantheon of God’s just like Egyptians, Greek and Roman religions.
It's wild to watch them turn into pretzels rather than just admit the text is problematic
@@Deconstruction_Zone it slightly sad for the nice honest ones but the zealots are fun to see twist. Especially those that tell atheist that their imaginary Gods will smote them for our denial.
Really struggling with this isn't he. Does not want to admit the Babylonian myths are false thus destroying his own historicity argument.
He made some good points on the Exodus... It would sound like a solid argument unless you knew that the story was written over 600 years after the events was said to have happened and no other civilization around Egypt wrote about any of the Exodus story in real time.
The story had word for word conversions that the author wouldnt have known. This is just another mythological story in the bible.
The problem was that none of his evidence actually correlated to the Exodus.
Drinking game: Every time he says "Right, but ..." take a drink.
You trying to unalive us? 😂
If you wanna visit the ER, do it with "That's fine" instead.
23:54 lol Did he take a screenshot of himself LOSING the argument that he called in to start? 😅😂🤣
Also, the way he uses the made-up term "pure skeptic" to convince you that religion makes sense is like calling a black guy the n-word and then expecting him to join the KKK.
Jesus and Emmanuel did the fusion dance. Jemmanuelesus.
Almost as formidable as janemba
The first question Justin asked was for the most compelling evidence. The caller dodged and never came back. A discussion about details in Bronze Age texts can never be evidence for any deity.
Wonderful. Someone who agrees with my view that the OT was written during the Exile to give the Jews an origin - story with their God masterminding everything.
@@ayethein7681 this is the critical scholarly consensus.
Free Palestine free free Palestine
Bingo now you know who runs the world.
The bible is meant to be read literally until it is not.
Control. The motive was control.
New York city is real, that makes spiderman is real.
@@nicksapp6543 well you're just doing the Spider-Man fallacy.
Wonder Jew is going to return one day and save all of us who think a certain way because reasons trust me
😂😂😂😂
52:12 He says repeatedly that the Book of Mormon is not historical. How does he know?
"Well, [the Book of Mormon] is wrong because why? Because a historian bases his view of how history went?"
Like all apologists, he only cares about history when convenient.
I hope many cristian sees this specific video with some critical thinking and open mind.
Wow! That dude is so confused about everything.
Something I thought was profound was your explanation of the Babylonians starting at 33:50. If you use that argument with anybody ever they would have a difficult time trying to prove their god.🎉🎉 it blew me away how it was explained. I think this would put most people on their heels with their explanations.❤❤🎉
I keep seeing Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber responding with “so you’re telling me there’s a chance”.
The caller sounds like a typical Dallas frat bro that probably graduated from Texas A&M or Baylor with a degree in “entrepreneurship” and ended up working in an investment firm because the interviewers wanted a Jimmy Fallon look-alike in their office.
Thanks for embarrassing him on UA-cam DZ!
Justin, you are my spirit animal.
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Guy has one prophecy he keeps coming back to even though justin keep debunking it 😂😂😂
What an absolute WORM of a caller.
"That's great...", "That's fine" == "Whatever, you're still wrong"
Once again the apologist demonstrates that when you start with the conclusion (the Bible is true) and work backwards, you can mentally force the square pegs of your belief into the round hole of reality. It’s the anti-scientific method, or the bizzaro-world scientific method. When you employ this method, the Bible can never be demonstrated to be wrong about anything aka inerrant.
He keeps bitching that it's a cumulative case, ignoring the fact that every single point that he presents is debunked immediately by Justin.
If anything it's a cumulative case against his religion. And that's only if you don't correctly think that any of those problems completely demolish a supposedly inerrant book.
The caller’s first question could have been addressed by the fact that the Christian Bible was built off the framework set out by the Torah and Septuagint. Which was the same thing that he used to call Islam false. So that methodology fails at face value.
But motive? What motive could the early church fathers have at consolidating power and authority as ordained by their interpretation of “god” in the light of following a “prophet” that failed to demonstrate his coming apocalypse and that didn’t fulfill any of the prophecies that his original religion had held? What motive could a group have in doing that? Yeah, consolidating power and exerting authority. The church fathers would have benefitted from it.
Also he keeps wanting to talking about motive. Dude there’s a ton of motive to be at the head of a church.
Being martyred doesn’t make the faith true otherwise every bomber is truthful. Jim Jordan would be true. It’s such a weak argument.
And “pure skepticism” is a bs way to dismiss criticism.
7:44 It's not prophecy when it's written in the same book.
It's not even interesting. It's just expected.
Like, we're not surprised when Harry Potter meets Voldemort at the end of the movie. The whole movie leads up to their meeting.
Exactly. And if 100 years from now, someone writes Harry Potter fan fiction, and has their protagonist saying “It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live” and then writes "so that it might be fulfilled," they haven't actually written a prophecy. They're just making a derivative work.
This is peak Christian crying. The hurt tone of his voice every time a dumb talking point is exposed is priceless.
All based on his feelies, he wants this to be true.
It's really difficult to take guys like this seriously. Because they are self aware enough and just barely honest enough to go bit by bit, passage by passage and admit each one is on shaky ground... But then they always pull it back to the big picture and say "well it's not just that, it's the whole thing and the sheer number of things that have come true". Right after you've debunked every single point they've brought up. It makes me think this is just a hobby for them, and no amount of evidence will change their mind. I'm sure in reality, they have faith-based, embarrassingly bad reasons for believing, and this is just a face they put on for the public to propagandize. I really really do not like religious apologists, I think they are all dishonest on some level.. but it's guys like this that really have me scratching my head hours after listening just wondering how they could be this obviously wrong yet still find a way to believe.
The man continously claims prophecy; you demonstrate over and over no prophecy was fulfilled, then he pretends like it didn't matter.
16:09 I haven't gone into the apostles deaths, meaning he hasn't gone into them at all.
Thank God for Doug.
The cumulative case is negative, presenting a hundred fallacious arguments make it MORE believable that the premise is BS.
If I were Brice I'd be so embarrassed by this.
Omg thank you justin this was so entertaining and educational. I love hearing everyone perceptions of the same historic events its crazy to imagine . I wish i could read ancient languages as well as u it takes years to build knowledge i really appreciate u sharing things it took you so much time to find. 😇. I like to research older religions n looking into learning ancient sandskrit or chinese. Call me a geek but thnx for filling in some timeline confusions i had too.
Always loved bruce lees teachings did a look into toism and the history . How Hinduism became budism all the wars its fasinating although an athiest i still love to read about this stuff. Would be amazing to see you discuss what other stuff you learnt on your journey. I bet its so much more fun knowing context and language tho. Totally here for the great content 😇 Praise doug!! For sending Justin 😁.
Atheists making religious people think, in the not too long ago we would be jailed or killed for it, that is how these ridiculous book has gone unquestioned for so long.
I appreciate a younger different look, keep it up.
The Christain guy is super nice. And completely cooked.
Obvious special pleading is obvious.
Brice. Lying from the getgo.
he's plugging words like "problem" and holding accountability off with phrases like "we'd have to dive into the specific stories"
Praise Doug for his mercy and kindness. Although he created a world with volcanoes and spontaneous cancer, at least he doesn't damn people to eternal torture, or command genocides, or condone the keeping of slaves.
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If he let's me eat shellfish I'm in.
Where's pt.2? Don't tease me like this 😂😂😉
Biblical apologists would make excellent Defence Lawyers!! They would simply deny any evidence supporting the charge and completely misinterpret it!
"I look at the Bible as a whole."
"It's okay to look at each piece."
SMH
Where in Egyptian history is Mose’s mentioned let alone 2.2 million hebrews as slaves living or leaving Egypt?
Pure skepticism? Whatever , dude.
That sounds a lot like what Insipid Sophistry would say, doesn’t it? “Atheists are more skeptical of the Bible than other ancient texts!” 🤦♂️
@@CharlesPayethaha How sad that I know exactly who you’re referring to with, Insipid Sophistry. Your nomenclature skill is truly inspired!
@ I wish I could take credit for the name play, but I copied it from someone else, as I laughed the first time I saw it, too. It’s perfect, isn’t it? 🤣
"we can look at the same piece of evidence and come to completely different conclusions"
this feels like the definition of insufficient evidence
“That’s fine”. What does that even mean?
I came here from hearing you on Mythvision I really like your content and have been binge listening to it.
Justin you forgot to mention that when Moses escaped egypt with the Jews, they escaped into Egypt... The Canaan was part of Egypt so, Moses escaped from Egypt into Egypt?
The struggling was asphyxiating. Interesting discussion as usual, can't wait for part two.
Your memory and knowledge on the subject is unbelievable. Have you ever written a book or are you planning to?
Jaheesius Christ, Brice. Try to keep up!
the last few minutes are epic 😅
Doug is a true rockstar god!🤘
37:40 does anyone have any books on this? I’ve never heard that Daniel was written after the 2nd temple destruction.
I think you misunderstood. Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE, after the 2nd temple was desecrated by Antiocus IV. This is detailed in 1 Maccabees 1-2, 2 Maccabees 4-6, Daniel 8, and Josephus. Also, any decent study bible will explain it.
@@Deconstruction_Zonethank you.
Hello Justin. My de-conversion occurred 5 years ago after I started listening to mythvision, and reading the scholarship of Drs Miller, MacDonald, Carrier, Bowen, to name a few. I’ve watched your videos and I know you take the Godless stand now.
As a fellow engineer I’m trying to solve the problem of what’s the meaning and purpose of love, hate, music, beauty, ugliness, pleasure, suffering, etc. What really perplexes me is when I see children joyfully playing together, their innocence, and their love of life… i just can’t wrap my head around how this came about evolutionary without a purpose. If you have a plausible answer please shed some light. Thank you for your passion.
The kids without joy will not thrive in life. That will trickle down in partner choice and eventually favor a level of optimism you recognize as joyful play.
32:55 "you don't say you got one point right and then say oh it must all be right..."