_"Surprisingly, it wasn't War Thunder's fault for things getting leaked this time."_ - Well, to my understanding it still was a War Thunder player that dumped the manual, just not on the official forums for once.
To be fair, you'd be hard pressed to find a tank enthusiast that does NOT play war thunder in the past or present. Let's just be thankful the leak isn't JUST for war thunder balancing
@@danishayne1you do know that before your little games there are plenty of people who are into war and war vehicles/equipment. The worst part of about these games is it makes it harder to find rare things or when you just want to research or look something up you get flooded with videogame nonsense instead of facts and history. It's pretty annoying and people have been finding information like this for decades before video games.
@@usurp795 Just in case you don't know. To exclude search results, place a "-" in front of the search term you don't want to include. For example: -dogs or -airplane or -APC.
Pretty sure all the intelligence services, who really wanted to, already had these documents for a while. Leaking it to public will only affect how accurate these tanks represented in games.
That is what I was thinking, and I am pretty sure they learned most of the stuff from captured vehicles in Ukraine anyway, in case the intelligence services didn't get them before
Exactly, the F-35 and F-15 leaks were from a Russian pilot on telegram, if he had access to the documents then everyone else that needs access does too.
With this being a manual for the crew and hundreds of crews as well as thousands of other personnel with access, it's really not that big a secret. I bet they have conscripts print it out or just send it to people digitally.
The fact that these manuals are under "ЕСКД" numbers says, that these are not classified.... Moreover, it's just a manuals, there CAN'T be anything classified Exported tanks comes with these docs
The US government has a number of classifications. The fighter jet leaks are of "controlled unclassified information" which is information that is unclassified but requires safeguarding for whatever reason. These include stuff like engineering manuals but also stuff like Personally Identifying information and HIPAA protected medical records.
@Scriptedviolince in russia, user manuals are not even "for service use only" Exactly this one has no any stamp of use and "expluatation documents" mostly always "open"
Ukraine captured a t90m in early 2023 or late 22 I can’t remember It was fully intact and had ammo in it There’s no way this is secret Plus this tank is just a nicer t72
@@blebeebum7996 Current ones yes, but Russia has restarted production of BVMs in February (as well as FAB 3000s and such other things at the same time).
@@hivecasts Can you provide source for this? I only found that there were announcements in 2023 that they would restart production, but was estimated to take several years before any newly produced T-80 could be completed.
T-80 and T-80B tended to use GTD-1000 engine, around 1100 HP. T-80U uses GTD-1250 engine, around 1250 HP. I wonder if they're replacing the less reliable engines with the newer mode reliable ones?
they expect the manuals to get leaked so of cause they don't include any sensiti- guy who leaked the chellenger 2 manual: I am about to do what's called a pro-gamer move
chally2 manual is about the same, it was just bongs that freak out, they are known to be over reacting, also they don't have much tank to begin without the need to mention their tank are trash.
Я не думаю, что в руководстве по эксплуатации танка, предназначенном для обычного экипажа будет содержаться супер секретная информация в духе "как изготовить Реликт в домашних условиях"
Как механик - водитель танка Т-90М (2020) могу сказать, что никакой автоматической трансмиссии не было на тот момент. Кондиционер так же не работал. Но это была партия первых 20 серийных машин. Но люди с УВЗ, которые помогали нам освоить технику говорили, что изначально планировалось установка новой автоматической кпп с повышенной скоростью заднего хода и за место рычагов управления был штурвал. Еще одна вещь: Не смотря на указанную максимальную скорость в инструкции, в реальности она чуть выше. Танк разгонял до 70км/ч и чувствовалось, что потенциал еще имеется, но был риск потерять управление, т.к на асфальте зацепа гусениц нет.
этот "слив" на русском вообще существует или только красиво написанные штуки на англ.? Я просто рили ничего найти не смог и пока это как-то очень потешно выглядит со стороны) Единственное что таки нашел это вроде как руководство по эксплуатации т80бвм на реддите, но и к тому есть вопросы. Там местами попадаются старые странички от старого руководства от БМки вроде, которые в сети уже давно. Но хз мож так и должно быть, я в подробности не вдавался.
Everyone: WAR THUNDER!!!! War Thunder: WHAT? Everyone: Why did you leak those documents? War Thunder: Just Because military documents get leaked, doesn't mean I did it. Everyone: ... War Thunder: I mean, I did leak military documents, but it wasn't me this time. Everyone: ... The Documents about T-90M? War Thunder: ... Just the F-15 and F-35...
On the RU secret documents, a secrecy stamp is placed in the upper right corner, and below it is a list item of the order, in accordance with which the document is classified. I don't see this in the documents. Therefore, the document does not carry any SECRET and is not classified
As the video covered the automatic transmission, there was a notation that the tank had to be brought to a stop before engaging reverse from forward or shifting from reverse to forward.
CIA agent : "sir, we managed to obtain the enemy's secret!" President: "good job, but where the agent?" CIA agent: " our agents stuck in internet cafe, playing wt😅"
The only real differences would be lengthened hull (could accommodate larger transmission?) and revised upper glacis that eliminated the driver's weak spot and that would come with about 2 extra tons.
@@BlackWolf9988 dunno... The Object 187 was tested with both the UVZ diesel and the turbine AFAIK (dunno which version of the hull though, there were several configurations both with the "classic" sloped front and the "Type-96A-style"/"Object 195-style" short glacis with composite slab) and I imagine the turbine was taken from a T-80U direcly, so the turbine version would have probably the same transmission as T-80 variants... as for the diesel, I am not sure what transmission it had, and if there was any other variant (I would imagine there might have been one with KMDB's 6TDF too, but as far as prototypes go none seem to have that one and Malyshev plant had different priorities around the time 187 was developed as it was responsible for the T-80U, T-80UD and the development of Object 490 and 477)...
I think it makes sense that it's below 50 tons empty in particular because 50 tons has long been the hard limit for Soviet and Russian tanks for logistics reasons, as the per car weight their rail network can consistently support, making a combat weight of over 50 tons perfectly fine as long as it's below that for transport
Something to note about the T-80BVM, according to the manual, the tank can't carry more than 14 of the Svinets projectile (3BM48, 3BM60 and 3BM59) due to carousel configuration. From the manual itself: "Twenty-eight shots, in any ratio by type, are placed in the conveyor of the loading mechanism, while it is prohibited to place 3VBM22, 3VBM23 rounds in adjacent trays. 3VBM22, 3VBM23 rounds should be placed in the MZ conveyor, alternating them with cumulative rounds. The remining nine shots, placed in a non-mechanized stowage, should be equipped only with high-explosive fragmentation and cumulative, of which five shells and seven cartridges are placed in the tank-rack, two shells on the bottom of the tank-rack, two shells and two cartridges - at the motor partitions between the middle fuel tanks." Of course 3VBM22 and 23 is not to be confused with 3BM22 and 3BM23 (3VBM9), which entered service in 1976. Edit: Corrected ammunition terminology. Edit 2: Analysis of ammunition load in captured/destroyed/damaged Russian tanks has shown that most crews are being equipped with 3BM46 "Mango", which entered service in 1986 and is a tungsten penetrator. As opposed to the newer Svinets and Svinets-1 which are depleted uranium, and the Svinets-2 which is a longer Tungsten Alloy penetrator.
There is ALSO to concider: This is what could/expect to have equiped. Dosnt mean it Should or WILL. An example is Ammo. Is the tank is expected to be neutralize or go into a light combat the Ammo carry will be less or diferent. Same with armor and equipment. If using camouflaged, less amor, is heavy armored less extra ammo.
The weight is definitely not increased from 48-52 tons just because of crew ammo and fuel. Let's calculate that for a second. The tank has 1200L of fuel, so let's say 1500kg. Plus another 200kg for 3 crew members then for the ammo it would be 43 rounds at around 15kg per round so let's say around 500kg there. That works out to 2.2 tons. So basically you're missing almost 2 tons of weight. So, very likely the T90M has 2 tons of additional armor, either in the turret or front of the hull.
You're missing a lot of equipment on your list. There are tools for maintenance, camping, repairs, pioneering tools, spare tracks, spare wheels, etc. and also a lot of machine gun ammo. Outside of fuel, there are also a few hundred kilos of lubricant, cooling fluid, hydraulic fluid, etc.
@@cuongle7990 you think a t90m carries 2 tons of oil, hydraulic fluid, tools and parts? Absolutely not. The oil capacity on a t90M is around 40-50kg, coolant and hydraulic fluids are likely similar or less. Therefore the total of fluids adds up to under 150kg. Still 1650-2650kg of weight unaccounted for (because of the +2% next to the weight) I hope you understand how much weight that is, that's the weight of an average sedan to the weight of an SUV and you're claiming that's just the weight of parts? At most it carries a couple of extra road wheels and a few tracks, that's absolutely not 2 tons. Maybe another 100kg of parts if we're being generous and another 50kg of tools again if we're being generous. You're still at MINIMUM 1500kg off the weight. At maximum you're 2500kg off the weight. That's the equivalent of the M1 depleted uranium armor package, the only logical explanation is that it's an armor upgrade, which makes complete sense. Just because Russia didn't openly state they upgraded the armor doesn't mean they didn't, they upgraded every other system in the tank and you think they didn't add a bit more hull despite that being one of the easiest upgrades they could have done (given the hull composite armor is already designed to be replaced and armor is much easier to make than any other component on the T90m)
1 I don't know who thought that it was 48 tons. As pretty much all of the official data stated 50 and 52 tons at full load. 2 Just because gears didn't increase, doesn't mean that the reverse speed didn't increase. It achieves higher reverse speed with higher engine torque in turbo. 3 I don't know who though that Russia was using Sosna U here, as it was common knowledge and the entire purpose of Proryv 3 to switch to domestic thermals... 4 Maximum speed clearly states - not less, in the manual. The maximum speed of T80 is 80km/h etc etc etc all of this stuff is known already. ps T90 46 tons, T90A 48 tons, T90M 50 tons. ( 52 in full gear with APS)
Those wieghts in the manuals likely don't include the weight of additional armour packages as those are constantly being changed in both design and materials used as such it's simpler to issue the crews withup to date manuals specific to each variant as they are fitted especially when multiple designs may be in use simultaneously. With each armour manual detailing the characteristics of the fitted armour and any effect on the vehicles handling characteristics. Any armour detailed in the vehicle manual should be considered the minimum armour configuration and was likely inaccurate as soon as it was printed.
Brother, the e-publishing department of the airforce has had these documents available for you to download since 2020, all you have to do is go on their website, nothing has been leaked!
9:07 that is a 2 Spool radial flow gas turbine engine. It is basically 2 turbochargers built inside of each other, with the discharge of the first compressor feeding into the inlet of the second compressor, with the discharge of the second compressor blasting air into an annular combustion chamber. The thrust from the combustion chamber drives 2 turbines mounted to both a solid shaft, and 1 to a hollow shaft, then the thrust drives the power turbine and transmission. This is a far simpler, more reliable, cheaper, easier to start, longer lasting, more versatile engine than any diesel piston engine. That it a serious tactical advantage. This is similar to what the Abrams runs, and it runs it obviously for all the reasons why the Abrams runs it.
1:38 -- # of gears does not indicate speed. The gear ratios for examples can be changed. A real world example: on a motorcycle one routinely changes their rear sprocket to adjust for conditions, terrain, and riding style. The bike's acceleration and top speeds change, but the number of gears do not.
Nice video! I see some comments, articles and videos about the tests of a new 152 mm gun for the T-14 Armata, and also that the tank is receiving some other upgrades, based in the current conflict. Any information about that?
Seems like the T-90M is a very impressive vehicle, although they really should upgrade the reverse gearing so that the vehicle can drive much faster in reverse. It really shouldn't be that expensive to upgrade the gearboxes on all of the T-90s or at least the units serving on the front lines.
Instructions or not, these manuals are very useful in understanding how a tank crew operates and what weaknesses that tank crew may have because of said instructions. I remember on a podcast a US military officer said he actively goes through his manuals finds weaknesses, and then makes his crew practice those over and over again in simulated scenarios. P.s Love your vids and can't wait for the devs to change the tanks now.
Incredibly surprised that it has taken this long for these manuals to be released. I've still got most of my old Leo 1 manuals, but the idea of making the public never really crossed my mind, because they don't contain anything beyond the bog standard operating procedures. I always assumed that information was freely available. Also, my manuals only carry the old "restricted" classification, which was for protected, but not sensitive information. For example the Army doesn't want civilians knowing the procedure for starting a tank up and getting in moving.
T-90MS is an export variant, the S usually denotes that, so it's not surprising that an export variant can be lighter. But, there is a caveat, there are actually two T-90MS, one is the export variant of T-90M, with a different cannon and an export variant of T-90AM, T-90AM weighs 48 tonns.
Just so we are clear, I was on CQ Runner duty when T-90 technical schematics and information arrived at my company for our Company Commander. So, the US Military has been very aware of T-90 series capabilities for about three decades.
You mean the gear ratio for a given gear. But if you can have only 1 reverse gear you have make it as low as the first forward. T-80 gets away with higher ratios because of the turbine's incredible torque.
@@SteelheadCrusher There is this thing called 51Tons of your mass... and you need to use that reverse gear even when you ended up in some hole that you failed to see because visibility from tank is poor when you are driving with closed hatch...
What would penetration data even mean? Stating equivalent meters of steel @ range/angle doesn't mean much, because no tank uses a simple hardened steel plate as armor and expects it to resist a hit from a tank gun. If normal steel plate is used, it's relatively thin, and protecting the roof or something. The front hull and turret are always protected by something more sophisticated.
Re: tank weights. Various authors conflate metric and standard and short tons, then translate to their preferred system of measure. This confuses the weight issue. For instance: Panther weighed roughly 45 metric tons . . . so USA writers have a tendency to undervalue its weight in shirt tons. Panther's weight in short tons is 49.5. The same thing happens with Tiger 1. Is it 56 metric tons or 61.6 short tons? A lot of folks aren't sure . . . I bet the same thing happens pretty often, especially where authors and primary sources don't specify.
Yeah, tanks from the early 80s had it lmao, the early Abrams variants, the latter Leopard 1s, the T-80B, T-72B the early leopard 2s... Obviously they were not as refined as modern fire control systems, but a ballistic computer and target tracking ability is the like minimum you expect from a fire control system put in a MBT after the 1980s
@@russianbs No LOL not at all You are confusing "lead" with auto-aim, but it's not the same, these are completely different things. The NATO tanks like Arbams or Leopard did NOT have automatic target tracking system, they only had a assisting functionality called "lead" which means the gunner still has to aim the gun manually by hand to get the gun on target, while the Laser-Range Finder helps to calculate all the important data which helps the gunner to hit a moving target more accurately, but at the end the gunner still has to aim the gun manually with his hand on a joystick (similar to a Playstation controller) This is not the same as Automatic Target Tracking used in the T90M, Merkava 4 or K2 (South Korea) which literally aims the gun automatically on target so the gunner does not need to aim the cannon manually with his hand, but instead the tank's own computer system aims the cannon fully automatically on target which increases the accuracy of hitting the target better with faster acquisition time, which gives these tanks a little advantage. But of course, during the Cold War in the 1980s the NATO tanks still had better Fire-control system than the old Soviet T72 which didn't even have the simple "lead" functionality that the NATO tanks had in the 1980s, so the T72 had no assisted aim capability at all, which is why the Soviet tanks had the worst accuracy against moving targets. And now the newest upgrades for Abrams, Leopard 2 and challenger 3 will also get this Automatic Target Tracking capability too, although they received this capability much later... (the Israeli Merkava 4 already had this capability since 2004)
MBTs are at the same point where battleships were in the 1930s. The steel behemoths, such as Yamato, Arizona, and Prince of Wales, became vulnerable to small, maneuverable aircraft.
No it was because the dude in reddit who leaked it (T-90AK) didn't wanna post it in there because he'd get banned and it'd get deleted almost immediately
@@solastorm7im not surprised that people are confused by the t90, because you have western news that say “ hey look a drone destroyed t90m the best tank in the world” , but also say “russia is in such shambles that they only have t60 tanks left”
Nice to see the whole herd is focused on a game and not real life. That way they can confidently serve their leaders by jumping in whatever they give them and charge at the other sheep.
0:52 Are we sure that 51 Ton figure is the loaded weight? To me it seems like that little "+2%" marked next to the 51 is what the loaded weight would be (51 tons + 2% of that), with the base weight being 51 tons.
Just to make the obvious remark: These are very likely not leaks. Both these tanks got captured in intact specimens and odds are the manuals were in some of them. Why would they be? Because the manuals would contain useful things for repairs too so odds are they'd have them along just in case.
(Classified documents get leaked)
The internet: WAR THUNDER NOOO!!!
Warthunder: what?
The internet: Sorry force of habit.
that's EXACTLY what i assumed
I mean there was a leak for the F-35 lightning recently.
Yes exactly like this lmao
The documents were still posted on the war thunder forum lol
Same here
_"Surprisingly, it wasn't War Thunder's fault for things getting leaked this time."_ - Well, to my understanding it still was a War Thunder player that dumped the manual, just not on the official forums for once.
*military stuff gets leaked*
Internet: it all war thunder players?
War thunder: always has been
To be fair, you'd be hard pressed to find a tank enthusiast that does NOT play war thunder in the past or present.
Let's just be thankful the leak isn't JUST for war thunder balancing
@@danishayne1you do know that before your little games there are plenty of people who are into war and war vehicles/equipment. The worst part of about these games is it makes it harder to find rare things or when you just want to research or look something up you get flooded with videogame nonsense instead of facts and history. It's pretty annoying and people have been finding information like this for decades before video games.
Install the game boomer, it's free
@@usurp795 Just in case you don't know. To exclude search results, place a "-" in front of the search term you don't want to include. For example: -dogs or -airplane or -APC.
Of course it was from a forum
CIA: "Who are you?"
War thunder+Online military forums: "I'm you but stronger."
The power of open-source intelligence.
@@Reallyidktbhthe power the need to e peen.
@@Reallyidktbhmore like the power of internet autism and human pettiness
Why would cia leak the information they have 🤡
Especially a shitty tank
Nah, they probably stole a T90M before the war. I mean west Germany got its hand on a brand new T80 before the wall came down.
Of to the war thunder forums we go!
Daboi
You clearly didn’t watch the whole video because there changes would make nō changes to the tanks in the game.
@@ankurar6492certainly appeared first again in War Thunder form Not ist very interessant
It's already on Reddit.
Downloaded it yesterday off prephole
F15, F35, T80bvm and T90m leaks in a single week. War Thunder community never stops grinding.
F15 and the F35 docs was leaked?
They are in the mood!
F35?
@@johnmikezstaca4307Happened like yesterday 😂
What kind of information though how to shift gears? ☠️@@Aw3someGYE
Wake up Babe . New War Thunder update has arrived.
The update .........
Slight update to weight? Hell nah, that's a Russian vehicle
r/wooosh
The tracking system @@shawn7889
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@shawn7889 T-90M mass on War Thunder has been 51.0 t
War Thunder: write that DOWN! write that DOWN!
Also war thunder: makes a premium tank w/ the same armor as a non premium have better protection
@@The_whalesKVT, and ClickBait has better protection?
@@BARelement he means is6
Pretty sure all the intelligence services, who really wanted to, already had these documents for a while. Leaking it to public will only affect how accurate these tanks represented in games.
Yep it's incredibly easy for intel agencies to get this info. What is more hard to get is specific technologies that only the engineers would know.
>It most likely
>They probably
>It might've
>it is probable
>They likely
>It's nearly definite
>I'm sure that
you're a little runt
That is what I was thinking, and I am pretty sure they learned most of the stuff from captured vehicles in Ukraine anyway, in case the intelligence services didn't get them before
Exactly, the F-35 and F-15 leaks were from a Russian pilot on telegram, if he had access to the documents then everyone else that needs access does too.
With this being a manual for the crew and hundreds of crews as well as thousands of other personnel with access, it's really not that big a secret. I bet they have conscripts print it out or just send it to people digitally.
The fact that these manuals are under "ЕСКД" numbers says, that these are not classified....
Moreover, it's just a manuals, there CAN'T be anything classified
Exported tanks comes with these docs
It can still be "export restricted" which is practically the same for civilians anyway.
I'll repeat, it's just manual, which can't contain anything classified. As an engineer i work with technical documentation, including military
The US government has a number of classifications. The fighter jet leaks are of "controlled unclassified information" which is information that is unclassified but requires safeguarding for whatever reason. These include stuff like engineering manuals but also stuff like Personally Identifying information and HIPAA protected medical records.
@Scriptedviolince in russia, user manuals are not even "for service use only"
Exactly this one has no any stamp of use and "expluatation documents" mostly always "open"
Ukraine captured a t90m in early 2023 or late 22 I can’t remember
It was fully intact and had ammo in it
There’s no way this is secret
Plus this tank is just a nicer t72
HELL YEAH!!! AT LEAST THIS TIME IT WASNT US THE ONES WHO LEAKED STUFF!!!
Thug Shaker Central: 'Am I a joke to you?'
it was a war thunder player
@@Elyron2004 no way . . . For real?
Actually the F15 and F35 manuals were also leaked this week.
I bet he plays War Thunder, so we can still attribute this to you. :D
Best guess is that 1250HP engines on BVMs are for new production tanks and 1100HP for old T80B/BVs that are being upgraded to BVM standard.
All t80bvm are upgrades of T80B/BV, so I don't think that this is the reason.
@@blebeebum7996 Current ones yes, but Russia has restarted production of BVMs in February (as well as FAB 3000s and such other things at the same time).
@@blebeebum7996an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade
@@hivecasts Can you provide source for this? I only found that there were announcements in 2023 that they would restart production, but was estimated to take several years before any newly produced T-80 could be completed.
T-80 and T-80B tended to use GTD-1000 engine, around 1100 HP. T-80U uses GTD-1250 engine, around 1250 HP. I wonder if they're replacing the less reliable engines with the newer mode reliable ones?
they expect the manuals to get leaked so of cause they don't include any sensiti-
guy who leaked the chellenger 2 manual: I am about to do what's called a pro-gamer move
Challenger 2 leak didn't contain much all too interesting
chally2 manual is about the same, it was just bongs that freak out, they are known to be over reacting, also they don't have much tank to begin without the need to mention their tank are trash.
Plus Challenger 2 is a 90s tank, being replaced by the Cr3. Not a lot you can do with 30 year old info 😂
Yeah the thing is if you upload these files to your favorite game forums atleast the police will not put you in custody since they are russian tanks.
@@mikeycraig8970 challenger 3 is just a refurbished challenger 2 hull with a new turret.
To the WT forums you go
Я не думаю, что в руководстве по эксплуатации танка, предназначенном для обычного экипажа будет содержаться супер секретная информация в духе "как изготовить Реликт в домашних условиях"
Об этом в видео и говорится
ну именно это чел и сказал под конец видео
no shit
@@Australiaisupsidedown That isn't mentioned nor implied in the video 💀 what a sad life you must have to spend your days being an ah online 😂
Там совсем не есть секретного для изучивания. Танк этот неудача.
Как механик - водитель танка Т-90М (2020) могу сказать, что никакой автоматической трансмиссии не было на тот момент. Кондиционер так же не работал. Но это была партия первых 20 серийных машин. Но люди с УВЗ, которые помогали нам освоить технику говорили, что изначально планировалось установка новой автоматической кпп с повышенной скоростью заднего хода и за место рычагов управления был штурвал.
Еще одна вещь: Не смотря на указанную максимальную скорость в инструкции, в реальности она чуть выше. Танк разгонял до 70км/ч и чувствовалось, что потенциал еще имеется, но был риск потерять управление, т.к на асфальте зацепа гусениц нет.
этот "слив" на русском вообще существует или только красиво написанные штуки на англ.? Я просто рили ничего найти не смог и пока это как-то очень потешно выглядит со стороны)
Единственное что таки нашел это вроде как руководство по эксплуатации т80бвм на реддите, но и к тому есть вопросы. Там местами попадаются старые странички от старого руководства от БМки вроде, которые в сети уже давно. Но хз мож так и должно быть, я в подробности не вдавался.
@@TheMrKotmanul да нет в реальности никакой утечки - увы.. но это с высокой долей вероятности фейк.
it was a war thunder guy who posted it, byt not on a war thunder forum because it would be taken down too quickly
Every tanker plays earthunder
It wasn't a warthunder guy. He just reposted them. It was some Russian forum
please don't be war thunder.
edit: few
Hate to be that guy, but it's 'phew'
Edit: Why are you guys making a chain of this 😭
I hate to be that guy, but it's 'phew'.
I hate to be that guy, but it's 'phew'.
I hate to be that guy, but it's 'phew'.
I love to be that guy, it's phew.
Everyone: WAR THUNDER!!!!
War Thunder: WHAT?
Everyone: Why did you leak those documents?
War Thunder: Just Because military documents get leaked, doesn't mean I did it.
Everyone: ...
War Thunder: I mean, I did leak military documents, but it wasn't me this time.
Everyone: ... The Documents about T-90M?
War Thunder: ... Just the F-15 and F-35...
They didnt get blame this time , but get blamed for the other shit they do😂
@@RasyidNazar I swear, at this point any game company could just leak secret documents and somehow, by proxy, War Thunder get's all the blame
@@JohnAnonym absolutely lmao, my first thought it was war thunder player who leak it😂
On the RU secret documents, a secrecy stamp is placed in the upper right corner, and below it is a list item of the order, in accordance with which the document is classified. I don't see this in the documents. Therefore, the document does not carry any SECRET and is not classified
This is classified as an ЕБСМ document which is non-classified
Seems to be an exploitation manual for the crew
0:52 “51t +2%” - the “+2%” weight is when you switch from the North Korean team to the American team
2% out of 51T is over one ton... 340kg person would not be able to claim to any tank(even American one)...
@@Bialy_1 the guy was joking
As the video covered the automatic transmission, there was a notation that the tank had to be brought to a stop before engaging reverse from forward or shifting from reverse to forward.
Day 7 asking redeffect to talk about the is-7 being restored
What now?
Hold up.. what??
bro wtf are you talking about 💀
What no way??
Bros schizophrenic
CIA agent : "sir, we managed to obtain the enemy's secret!"
President: "good job, but where the agent?"
CIA agent: " our agents stuck in internet cafe, playing wt😅"
Oh, oh... Come on! Nobody is interested in T-90s. Even Chinese guys... They failed to prove their worth in Ukraine.
@@kuroneko9710 They failed to prove their worth in Ukraine. What tank dont? Abrams , Leopard, all the same! :D
@@kuroneko9710 They are deadly, just as the western variants until a drone comes a knocking....
Time to find out if Object 187 was still superior choice long term...
It is the superior choice.
@Mal101M we can still compare the theoretical specs to t90 reality.
The only real differences would be lengthened hull (could accommodate larger transmission?) and revised upper glacis that eliminated the driver's weak spot and that would come with about 2 extra tons.
@@Klovaneer Did it still have the horrible reverse speed?
@@BlackWolf9988 dunno... The Object 187 was tested with both the UVZ diesel and the turbine AFAIK (dunno which version of the hull though, there were several configurations both with the "classic" sloped front and the "Type-96A-style"/"Object 195-style" short glacis with composite slab) and I imagine the turbine was taken from a T-80U direcly, so the turbine version would have probably the same transmission as T-80 variants... as for the diesel, I am not sure what transmission it had, and if there was any other variant (I would imagine there might have been one with KMDB's 6TDF too, but as far as prototypes go none seem to have that one and Malyshev plant had different priorities around the time 187 was developed as it was responsible for the T-80U, T-80UD and the development of Object 490 and 477)...
If it’s not on warthunder forums it’s not an authentic leak
I think it makes sense that it's below 50 tons empty in particular because 50 tons has long been the hard limit for Soviet and Russian tanks for logistics reasons, as the per car weight their rail network can consistently support, making a combat weight of over 50 tons perfectly fine as long as it's below that for transport
NO WAY IT WASENT WAR THUNDER FORUM BOYS 😭😭😭
to my knowledge it was a war thunder player but this time it was leaked somewhere else
@@officer_miller i knew it
As a community we failed leaking it first 😢
Something to note about the T-80BVM, according to the manual, the tank can't carry more than 14 of the Svinets projectile (3BM48, 3BM60 and 3BM59) due to carousel configuration. From the manual itself: "Twenty-eight shots, in any ratio by type, are placed in the conveyor of the loading mechanism, while it is prohibited to place 3VBM22, 3VBM23 rounds in adjacent trays. 3VBM22, 3VBM23 rounds should be placed in the MZ conveyor, alternating them with cumulative rounds. The remining nine shots, placed in a non-mechanized stowage, should be equipped only with high-explosive fragmentation and cumulative, of which five shells and seven cartridges are placed in the tank-rack, two shells on the bottom of the tank-rack, two shells and two cartridges - at the motor partitions between the middle fuel tanks." Of course 3VBM22 and 23 is not to be confused with 3BM22 and 3BM23 (3VBM9), which entered service in 1976.
Edit: Corrected ammunition terminology.
Edit 2: Analysis of ammunition load in captured/destroyed/damaged Russian tanks has shown that most crews are being equipped with 3BM46 "Mango", which entered service in 1986 and is a tungsten penetrator. As opposed to the newer Svinets and Svinets-1 which are depleted uranium, and the Svinets-2 which is a longer Tungsten Alloy penetrator.
It is digit 3, not letter Z (З)
@@spyderDFX I'm aware, this was copied from an AI translation of the manual. I'll go back and edit it.
There is ALSO to concider:
This is what could/expect to have equiped.
Dosnt mean it Should or WILL.
An example is Ammo.
Is the tank is expected to be neutralize or go into a light combat the Ammo carry will be less or diferent.
Same with armor and equipment.
If using camouflaged, less amor, is heavy armored less extra ammo.
The weight is definitely not increased from 48-52 tons just because of crew ammo and fuel. Let's calculate that for a second. The tank has 1200L of fuel, so let's say 1500kg. Plus another 200kg for 3 crew members then for the ammo it would be 43 rounds at around 15kg per round so let's say around 500kg there.
That works out to 2.2 tons. So basically you're missing almost 2 tons of weight.
So, very likely the T90M has 2 tons of additional armor, either in the turret or front of the hull.
That fuel calc is out by 500kg! Diesel is a lot lighter per m3….
You're missing a lot of equipment on your list. There are tools for maintenance, camping, repairs, pioneering tools, spare tracks, spare wheels, etc. and also a lot of machine gun ammo. Outside of fuel, there are also a few hundred kilos of lubricant, cooling fluid, hydraulic fluid, etc.
@@cuongle7990 you think a t90m carries 2 tons of oil, hydraulic fluid, tools and parts? Absolutely not. The oil capacity on a t90M is around 40-50kg, coolant and hydraulic fluids are likely similar or less. Therefore the total of fluids adds up to under 150kg. Still 1650-2650kg of weight unaccounted for (because of the +2% next to the weight)
I hope you understand how much weight that is, that's the weight of an average sedan to the weight of an SUV and you're claiming that's just the weight of parts? At most it carries a couple of extra road wheels and a few tracks, that's absolutely not 2 tons. Maybe another 100kg of parts if we're being generous and another 50kg of tools again if we're being generous.
You're still at MINIMUM 1500kg off the weight. At maximum you're 2500kg off the weight. That's the equivalent of the M1 depleted uranium armor package, the only logical explanation is that it's an armor upgrade, which makes complete sense. Just because Russia didn't openly state they upgraded the armor doesn't mean they didn't, they upgraded every other system in the tank and you think they didn't add a bit more hull despite that being one of the easiest upgrades they could have done (given the hull composite armor is already designed to be replaced and armor is much easier to make than any other component on the T90m)
@@robertpatrick3350 ohh, I just assumed it was more dense than water, okay so the actual weight deficit is probably more like 2000-3000kg
i was legit convinced this was from war thunder again
1 I don't know who thought that it was 48 tons. As pretty much all of the official data stated 50 and 52 tons at full load.
2 Just because gears didn't increase, doesn't mean that the reverse speed didn't increase. It achieves higher reverse speed with higher engine torque in turbo.
3 I don't know who though that Russia was using Sosna U here, as it was common knowledge and the entire purpose of Proryv 3 to switch to domestic thermals...
4 Maximum speed clearly states - not less, in the manual. The maximum speed of T80 is 80km/h
etc etc etc all of this stuff is known already.
ps T90 46 tons, T90A 48 tons, T90M 50 tons. ( 52 in full gear with APS)
Reverse speed would only increase if it was torque limited originally which we know it isnt because it can go much faster in forward gears.
War Thunder has both T-80BVM and T-90M, so it's probably only a matter of time until the manuals find their way to the forums
I also have t-72Б3 manual with a lot of images
@@timsmetana9094 💀
@@timsmetana9094can i see it 🥺
Pretty please? @@timsmetana9094
@@timsmetana9094 affirmative, contacting the FSB
Those wieghts in the manuals likely don't include the weight of additional armour packages as those are constantly being changed in both design and materials used as such it's simpler to issue the crews withup to date manuals specific to each variant as they are fitted especially when multiple designs may be in use simultaneously. With each armour manual detailing the characteristics of the fitted armour and any effect on the vehicles handling characteristics. Any armour detailed in the vehicle manual should be considered the minimum armour configuration and was likely inaccurate as soon as it was printed.
Few days ago it's the F-15EX, now it's the T-90M.
it was F-15SA
Brother, the e-publishing department of the airforce has had these documents available for you to download since 2020, all you have to do is go on their website, nothing has been leaked!
@@dakromisNothing is safe anymore. Someone will leak it.
4:40
No pig was harmed in the making of this video
Good lord let it go
@@christopherchartier3017 Why on Earth would I elect to forgot when a l"ar l"ed then refused to admit to what he did? So he can l"e to me again?
Thank you for your video, interesting as always!!!
T-90M with 3rd gen thermals would be fantastic in WT
“Russian bias is real”
Everybodys gangster untill you realise the Relict modules had their explosive replaced with rubber because Russian corruption :(
@BobbyB1928 thats a propaganda lie from 2022. And you still believe it 🤣
@@BobbyB1928 bro is stuck in 2022 propaganda 💀
@@bastikolaski8111 There are videos of it..
9:07 that is a 2 Spool radial flow gas turbine engine. It is basically 2 turbochargers built inside of each other, with the discharge of the first compressor feeding into the inlet of the second compressor, with the discharge of the second compressor blasting air into an annular combustion chamber. The thrust from the combustion chamber drives 2 turbines mounted to both a solid shaft, and 1 to a hollow shaft, then the thrust drives the power turbine and transmission. This is a far simpler, more reliable, cheaper, easier to start, longer lasting, more versatile engine than any diesel piston engine. That it a serious tactical advantage. This is similar to what the Abrams runs, and it runs it obviously for all the reasons why the Abrams runs it.
The MS is export variant and also older. Expected 50 tones but 52 is still reasonable.
“A fully combat loaded tank weighs more than (one that is empty)”
Wow, who would have guessed that?!
NO DUMB DRAMA
JUST STRAIGHT LEAKED DOCUMENTS
🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
The war thunder community needs to pick up the slack, i cant believe were falling behind someone else
1:38 -- # of gears does not indicate speed. The gear ratios for examples can be changed. A real world example: on a motorcycle one routinely changes their rear sprocket to adjust for conditions, terrain, and riding style. The bike's acceleration and top speeds change, but the number of gears do not.
They can, but they haven’t otherwise that’s an entirely new gearbox
I apologize for blaming War Thunder immediately 🙏🏻
I love how military manuals read also like regular Ikea ones
Nice video! I see some comments, articles and videos about the tests of a new 152 mm gun for the T-14 Armata, and also that the tank is receiving some other upgrades, based in the current conflict. Any information about that?
Why waste time on vaporware?
upgrades? bro that thing is the biggest hot piece of garbage, it hasnt even made it to the front-lines
World: War Thunder how many times do we have to tell you!?
War thunder: it wasnt me, I swear!
Well, it's still a formidable war machine. That, I'll never doubt
Not if you're in a real tank
@@rogerthat4545 okay man
Seems like the T-90M is a very impressive vehicle, although they really should upgrade the reverse gearing so that the vehicle can drive much faster in reverse. It really shouldn't be that expensive to upgrade the gearboxes on all of the T-90s or at least the units serving on the front lines.
i found it, i am not sure abaout the legitimacy of the OP though. This guy apparently also leaked other tank manuals.
Instructions or not, these manuals are very useful in understanding how a tank crew operates and what weaknesses that tank crew may have because of said instructions. I remember on a podcast a US military officer said he actively goes through his manuals finds weaknesses, and then makes his crew practice those over and over again in simulated scenarios. P.s Love your vids and can't wait for the devs to change the tanks now.
New Red Effect video and I'm off work today. Thanks God.
Incredibly surprised that it has taken this long for these manuals to be released.
I've still got most of my old Leo 1 manuals, but the idea of making the public never really crossed my mind, because they don't contain anything beyond the bog standard operating procedures. I always assumed that information was freely available.
Also, my manuals only carry the old "restricted" classification, which was for protected, but not sensitive information.
For example the Army doesn't want civilians knowing the procedure for starting a tank up and getting in moving.
"Documents has been leaked"
My man, the tank itself has been leaked and taken away from battlefield for study!
Those findings aren’t publicly shared
T-90MS is an export variant, the S usually denotes that, so it's not surprising that an export variant can be lighter. But, there is a caveat, there are actually two T-90MS, one is the export variant of T-90M, with a different cannon and an export variant of T-90AM, T-90AM weighs 48 tonns.
If War Thunder players all came together, they could form a powerful military all on their own.
After a few weeks.... War thunder T-90 update.... Includes update T-90 arnament, new upgrade armour, new driving mechanics....
So, will we get a buff or nerf?
T90m with 3gen termal.😂
I think a slight buff
@@irfanhafizhbuntoro3772 slight buff with 3rd gen thermal. War Thunder actually got the 51t weight correct
i dont think gaijin can legally use these
@@vethenoir its a training manual, they probably can.
Just so we are clear, I was on CQ Runner duty when T-90 technical schematics and information arrived at my company for our Company Commander. So, the US Military has been very aware of T-90 series capabilities for about three decades.
*War thunder victory theme*
this is becoming funnier and funnier with every time
Only 1 reverse gear doesn't necessarily mean that it only has 5 kms reverse.
The gearbox settings are the key
You mean the gear ratio for a given gear. But if you can have only 1 reverse gear you have make it as low as the first forward. T-80 gets away with higher ratios because of the turbine's incredible torque.
And there's this thing called a throttle.
@@SteelheadCrusher There is this thing called 51Tons of your mass... and you need to use that reverse gear even when you ended up in some hole that you failed to see because visibility from tank is poor when you are driving with closed hatch...
@@Bialy_1 Yeah but now they can have rear view cameras.
What would penetration data even mean? Stating equivalent meters of steel @ range/angle doesn't mean much, because no tank uses a simple hardened steel plate as armor and expects it to resist a hit from a tank gun. If normal steel plate is used, it's relatively thin, and protecting the roof or something. The front hull and turret are always protected by something more sophisticated.
Can someone leak the Russian black eagle manual so the prototype tank can be added to war thunder
Warthunder wildin
“Write that down,write that down”
-WarThunder devs,Gaijin
Re: tank weights. Various authors conflate metric and standard and short tons, then translate to their preferred system of measure. This confuses the weight issue. For instance: Panther weighed roughly 45 metric tons . . . so USA writers have a tendency to undervalue its weight in shirt tons. Panther's weight in short tons is 49.5. The same thing happens with Tiger 1. Is it 56 metric tons or 61.6 short tons? A lot of folks aren't sure . . . I bet the same thing happens pretty often, especially where authors and primary sources don't specify.
No, that's an exclusively American problem. Europe uses metric. Absolutely no confusion over Panther or Tiger 1 weight over here.
peak Ameriquan moment
Americans and their friggin' freedom units. 🙄
Wait so the bag ERA on the side isn’t supposed to absorb a point blank APFSDS round from an Abrams.
Nope,its supposed to absord the heat , the armour that dealing with apfsds is the main armour
T90 maingun autoaim in Warthunder when?
Devs just sitting on that top BR $180 premium drooling for GE
Almost all modern tanks has that feature...
Yeah, tanks from the early 80s had it lmao, the early Abrams variants, the latter Leopard 1s, the T-80B, T-72B the early leopard 2s... Obviously they were not as refined as modern fire control systems, but a ballistic computer and target tracking ability is the like minimum you expect from a fire control system put in a MBT after the 1980s
@@russianbs No LOL not at all
You are confusing "lead" with auto-aim, but it's not the same, these are completely different things.
The NATO tanks like Arbams or Leopard did NOT have automatic target tracking system, they only had a assisting functionality called "lead" which means the gunner still has to aim the gun manually by hand to get the gun on target, while the Laser-Range Finder helps to calculate all the important data which helps the gunner to hit a moving target more accurately, but at the end the gunner still has to aim the gun manually with his hand on a joystick (similar to a Playstation controller)
This is not the same as Automatic Target Tracking used in the T90M, Merkava 4 or K2 (South Korea) which literally aims the gun automatically on target so the gunner does not need to aim the cannon manually with his hand, but instead the tank's own computer system aims the cannon fully automatically on target which increases the accuracy of hitting the target better with faster acquisition time, which gives these tanks a little advantage.
But of course, during the Cold War in the 1980s the NATO tanks still had better Fire-control system than the old Soviet T72 which didn't even have the simple "lead" functionality that the NATO tanks had in the 1980s, so the T72 had no assisted aim capability at all, which is why the Soviet tanks had the worst accuracy against moving targets.
And now the newest upgrades for Abrams, Leopard 2 and challenger 3 will also get this Automatic Target Tracking capability too, although they received this capability much later...
(the Israeli Merkava 4 already had this capability since 2004)
MBTs are at the same point where battleships were in the 1930s. The steel behemoths, such as Yamato, Arizona, and Prince of Wales, became vulnerable to small, maneuverable aircraft.
It didn't get released on war thunder because of the Russian bias lol
No it was because the dude in reddit who leaked it (T-90AK) didn't wanna post it in there because he'd get banned and it'd get deleted almost immediately
Not only T-90M and T-80BVM tank manuals have been leaked. F-15 and some US missile also have been leaked.
One of best tanks in the world
is there still one left?
@@solastorm7 plenty and more in production.
@@solastorm7im not surprised that people are confused by the t90, because you have western news that say “ hey look a drone destroyed t90m the best tank in the world” , but also say “russia is in such shambles that they only have t60 tanks left”
Is not a subject of this video)))
Yet it was taken out by Bradley’s with no TOWs? Huh
That 6mph top speed in revers is certainly impressive.
Best tank in Ukraine right now
Depends in what areas.
Literally achieving new heights everyday
@@yourlocalboaty in the only one that matters (slinging HE and detecting)
@@user-6d4un3w7htrillions in peoples pockets dont build better equipment buddy😂
1:29 4 km/h. No retreat. Just forward with your comrades 😂
Gaijin shouldn't have been tempting fate by including it inot the game😅
Nice to see the whole herd is focused on a game and not real life. That way they can confidently serve their leaders by jumping in whatever they give them and charge at the other sheep.
These manuals have actually been out there since the late 1990s, btw. Just not really online.
i remember when T-90M, T-80BVM, and T-72B3 manuals were leaked in 1990.
The mythical T-90M, T-80BVM and T-72B3 that existed in the 90s:
Not gonna lie, manual transmission on a tank is bad ass.
Like m4 Sherman
More control over tank too
0:52 Are we sure that 51 Ton figure is the loaded weight? To me it seems like that little "+2%" marked next to the 51 is what the loaded weight would be (51 tons + 2% of that), with the base weight being 51 tons.
US already knows everything about the tank, they own 2-3 at this point, but its still cool for us internet peeps.
Pretty sure they captured T-90A not sure about the M variant.
@@Coelians Ukraine captured 6-7 of them, you can be sure 1 or 2 ended up in the US.
Just to make the obvious remark: These are very likely not leaks. Both these tanks got captured in intact specimens and odds are the manuals were in some of them. Why would they be? Because the manuals would contain useful things for repairs too so odds are they'd have them along just in case.
Very high brow formal English translation, I’m impressed.
Z
Cringe
Not me waiting for a Abram leak "kicks feet around" yupppp dont want that to happen "gives a side eye"
Я почти уверен, что 90% всех перечисленных модулей в большинстве случаев не будут даже установлены на танк или работать)
Ну, ты то эксперт, тебе виднее
Excellent, always wondered about the turret-launch mechanism 😂
And all built without enrichment, diversity and DE&I
And it’s still utter watery shit .
What a weird way to out yourself lol
@@alangordon3283 still better than any western garbage
Do you think anti tank mines and ATGMs care about social issues?
@@seasons1745I know, right? You’d think people would like having diverse perspectives in STEM, it gives you more chances for creative ideas.
I see the title "Was it war thunder again?" Then at 0:18 "I'm both surprised and disappointed."
My bad guys
Funny that there are people expecting a MANUAL to disclose ANYTHING about something. Hell even other appliance companies dont do that
I did my part and posted them on the WT reddit and forum. Unfortunately the mods were active.....
This could be useful in combat but also very useful to make the T-90 tank more realistic in war thunder. Seems like a massive win to me.
Wow, not war thunder this time, i am surprised.
The entire tank have been leaked
War Thunder forum just a couple of days ago leaked F-15 and F-35 stuff.
I have a number of east German Army Handbooks for vehicles and they look much the same. They also dont say much about the Ammo or protection.
Do you by any chance have them digitally and do they have diagrams or exploded views of vehicles / weapons etc?
It's an operator's manual. Including sensitive stuff would mean you couldn't actually give it to the crews.
4:40 - **Laughs in Drunk Scottish Pig language**
“At least, not anymore.” 😏
So! You absolutely love the T90 variants. But think the Challenger two is terrible 🤨
He likes Soviet tanks he said.