I agree with the Nexus getting buried being a good idea. At the end of the day, most of that group really wasn’t going to be much more than the group and you could kinda see it in their segments. Whenever Wade Barrett wasn’t directly involved they all looked like stooges.
I think this specific question has a clear answer, but the larger question that this discussion stems from has a nuanced answer 1.) Regardless of what hardcore/online fans say, generally speaking, booking John Cena dominantly was a very smart move for the WWE. Historically speaking, a dominant babyface champion is when WWE thrives and is at its most successful. And John Cena was a superstar who made the company a lot of money. John Cena's critics often make the (false IMO) argument that John Cena tanked the business and point to the company's general decline in pop culture relevancy under his reign. But many of the industry's stars and executives make the (correct IMO) argument that the business was on a natural decline and that Cena actually served to help stop the bleeding; to put it simply, John Cena helped slow down the decline whereas the decline would have been worse if it were anybody else in that slot Creative was dubious at times, but that's above Cena's pay grade. As the top guy, Cena consistently had incredible merch sales, he gave children a hero that they could look up to, and he was instrumental in helping to save WWE's image/reputation in the wake of horrible scandals like the Chris Benoit atrocity. John Cena's squeaky-clean image was a huge asset to the WWE when it was under (arguably justified) intense scrutiny from the media. The impact of having Mr. Make-a-Wish himself as your top guy during these scandals cannot be overstated 2.) All that being said, even Stevie Wonder can see that Cena burying the Nexus was a bad idea. While Cena as the top guy was the right move, you need to plan for the future and elevate other guys to keep the promotion fresh and prepare for future stories/programs. Batman and Spider-Man need their rogues gallery in order for comics to keep going, and likewise Cena needed credible opponents to prevent his run from growing stale. Wade Barrett absolutely could have been a breakout main event star if the Nexus won here. Say what you want about him, but Ryback (Skip Sheffield) would go on to prove that he could be a super over main event act if he were given a proper push. Gabriel and Slater could have been valuable midcard acts (respectfully, I don't think there was much in the others). There was a lot of potential there, but it all went away the minute Super Cena nearly singlehandedly put them down
I would argue that not every faction needs main eventers top to bottom. Wade had the potential to be a big star and the hierarchy of the group in terms of star power and charisma would have made him shine brighter as the big boss with his cronies running wild in the mid card and tag divisions if the booking was fleshed out. You could of potentially had an organic face turn from Gabriel or even Ryback transition into a world title feud with Barrett down the line.
I feel like with the cena vs nexus situation, I agree with you that most parts were just whatever, but they really tried to position wade as a top guy. Maybe have the match come down to cena vs the whole nexus, he eliminates everyone and comes down to him vs wade, and wade wins, even if he cheats to win it still would have helped him.
Nexus was okay, but Wade was the highlight, but don't think him beating Cena would have made him a super star. He got hurt numerous times and never really did much. Also if Nexus had been more successful, would Bray have become Bray? WWE can build it's own stars, but they need the indie guys. The indie guys are great.
The problem with punks collision was eventually no matter what him and the ellite would have to be able to get along. So that needed to be fixed first because that’s what caused the jack Perry stuff, because you had people on team punk and others on team ellite so then you had each party bad mouthing the other. so it was always gonna go wrong if punk and the ellite issue wasn’t fixed. At the end of the day what needed to happen was have punk and ellite sit in a room with people there to make sure nothing crazy happens and just talk this thing out and come up with a way to work together. Because the ellite felt a way about punk because what they heard. So you needed punk to talk to them to let them know the colt stuff was not true. But most importantly Tk needed to be a boss and force both parties to fix this mess for the benefit of his company Sometimes as a boss friendships have to go out the window and you need to do what’s right for your company.
The Eltie just flushed a great storyline and money away due to ego. They started it. Now look at Dynamite. When Punk left, about 200 000 fans left including me. Their ratings have dropped significantly since he left.
The guest host thing could’ve worked if it was two things, not every week and people that actually like/love wrestling. Seth Green looked like he was having a ball. Freddie Prinze Jr. was a writer so he made sense as a guest host. Bob Barker I feel like wasn’t afraid to be a straight man to the wacky world of pro wrestling, but Jeremy Piven? SUMMERFEST. Imagine Adam Sandler the host of Raw? I feel like if we’re in an area with a lot of eligible guests hosts and it’s someone that likes wrestling it could work
Bad Idea because The Nexus weren't able to recover after that, plus John Cena regretted the decision. Bad idea but more so in execution. If they had celebrities that knew more about the business and actually had some control it could have been cooler. Good idea so long as it's not in WWE because they don't care about factions they didn't create. Good idea and if it wasn't for Triple H people wouldn't care about AEW. Bad idea because nobody except Steve ever said anything positive about it. Bad idea when everyone from NJPW is already in AEW but good idea if Tony Khan starts doing it with other promotions like CMLL. Good idea because it would have made sense and Christopher Daniels might have been a bigger star. Both if you watch Adam Blampied's video about how WWE should have done it. Good idea because even without CM Punk Collision is better than Rampage. Good idea because it was unique. Bad idea because nothing significant came out of it. Both because most likely you wouldn't get mentioned in a video if you comment.
Collision could have/can still be great if AEW just did their own _real_ roster split. don't call it a draft, call it a "lottery." you roll the drum around, pull out paper, and you just kayfabe who is going to Collision and who is staying on Dynamite.
Noting happens on Collision. When Punk was on it, it was must see TV. They should split the titles and wretlers. Have actual storylies that matter on it.
I 1000% agree with this very controversial option. Have never been a nexus guy. I though it was so stupid when multiple time world champions edge and jericho were losing on tv to guys like heath slater.
Totally agree about the Nexus. I don't believe the group would have succeeded after SummerSlam even if they won. Barrett was the only one in the group with any charisma or character.
Completely disagree on the Nexus point, even ignoring the fact it really held back the career of a legit main eventer in wade barrett, (which wwe was really lacking at the time) wwe was at its rock bottom creatively in 2010 and Nexus was the one major story people were invested in but the loss at summerslam pretty much tanked the on screen product from that point until punk's pipebomb.
In fairness if they'd paid any attention at all to Cain's ufc career they'd have known how signing him would go. That poor bastard couldn't stay healthy if you boy in the bubble'd his big ass...
While burying the Nexus was bad in the short term of trying to make new stars, like you said, once you break down the individual members, it really wasn't a huge loss. Wade Barrett was given multiple chances, but he was made of glass, so anytime he had any genuine momentum, he kept getting hurt. Eventually, the writing was on the wall, and he is now a good commentator. As cool as it was to see Justin Gabriel do his 450 Splash, he didn't really have anything else to offer and a we're now in an era where people are doing even bigger stunts across the globe, so even if they had stuck with him and placed him in the mid-card, he would have still been outshined by newer talent within a few years. Heath Slater works best as a comedy act, and while you could do an underdog storyline with him, it was never going to go beyond that. Ryback had his moments but decided to embrace his inner Ultimate Warrior and go Nucking Futs. Husky Harris didn't find Bray Wyatt for at least a couple years down in FCW. Curtis Axel wasn't even Curtis Axel yet and he still can't be anything more than Curtis Axel. David Otunga was famous for who he was engaged to at the time and ended up getting some DV heat, which means he still would have been gone. Darren Young had some success as a tag team guy but didn't really find himself til Japan. Michael Tarver... Enough said. I mean the biggest success story is obviously Daniel Bryan but it took him getting fired, rehired, broken away from Nexus and immediately establishing himself as a solo act and that wasn't the original plan, so he kind of lucked into that one.
The Nexus was always going to need to lose eventually, whether its Cena at Summerslam or Taker at Mania and what happens when they lose? Its five guys who wrestle a boring FCW style, Gabriel, and a not nearly finished Barrett. Whenever they took that loss, they were going to collapse because there was nothing there behind the strong booking. This is even taken as given that they wouldn't run out of steam well ahead of the mania plans which is not a given. The longer you draw out them being dominant the more you make everyone else look like a geek because they took a fall to David Otunga or Heath Slater.
The nexus had a great first night but then after that just seemed like a bunch of dorks with shirts with the letter "N" that did a whole lot of nothing. I was glad to see Super Cena crush them at Summerslam. The best member of the Nexus was on team WWE in that match anyways.
Anyone gonna tell Steve what has really gone down with Cain Velasquez since that Brock angle? Don’t get me wrong. I’m on Cain’s side and kinda wish he’d finished that guy off. But there is a much larger reason he hasn’t been in WWE.
If wrestlers can't bounce back from one major loss, I don't give a damn about them. If you cannot recover from a single loss, I have a lot of doubts about your talent.
Thank you for saying this… god the only reason why people put the Nexus in such a pedestal is out of spite against John Cena and that’s it.. Let’s be real.. the Nexus was trash, the nexus as a faction wasn’t s**t aside from Wade Barrett, none of them were remotely credible and they are mid card wrestlers at best.. I thought the nexus was a trash bag faction, the only things that were cool about them were the debut and their theme song… Can’t stand the Nexus then and the overhype today
wade Barrett Career should be way bigger but no Cena burying him and all the nexus and for what so he could keep his spot as the champ. dumd desion on vince part or cena
It's really simple, John Cena was known to bury talent that could potentially take his spot, yes, he tried to change the narrative towards the end of his career but he really couldn't do much because of Roman reigns.
felt honored to make it on a wrestle juice vid =]=]
Chris Jericho playing price is right will always be top tier
Haha! I forgot about that.
I agree with the Nexus getting buried being a good idea. At the end of the day, most of that group really wasn’t going to be much more than the group and you could kinda see it in their segments. Whenever Wade Barrett wasn’t directly involved they all looked like stooges.
I think this specific question has a clear answer, but the larger question that this discussion stems from has a nuanced answer
1.) Regardless of what hardcore/online fans say, generally speaking, booking John Cena dominantly was a very smart move for the WWE. Historically speaking, a dominant babyface champion is when WWE thrives and is at its most successful. And John Cena was a superstar who made the company a lot of money. John Cena's critics often make the (false IMO) argument that John Cena tanked the business and point to the company's general decline in pop culture relevancy under his reign. But many of the industry's stars and executives make the (correct IMO) argument that the business was on a natural decline and that Cena actually served to help stop the bleeding; to put it simply, John Cena helped slow down the decline whereas the decline would have been worse if it were anybody else in that slot
Creative was dubious at times, but that's above Cena's pay grade. As the top guy, Cena consistently had incredible merch sales, he gave children a hero that they could look up to, and he was instrumental in helping to save WWE's image/reputation in the wake of horrible scandals like the Chris Benoit atrocity. John Cena's squeaky-clean image was a huge asset to the WWE when it was under (arguably justified) intense scrutiny from the media. The impact of having Mr. Make-a-Wish himself as your top guy during these scandals cannot be overstated
2.) All that being said, even Stevie Wonder can see that Cena burying the Nexus was a bad idea. While Cena as the top guy was the right move, you need to plan for the future and elevate other guys to keep the promotion fresh and prepare for future stories/programs. Batman and Spider-Man need their rogues gallery in order for comics to keep going, and likewise Cena needed credible opponents to prevent his run from growing stale. Wade Barrett absolutely could have been a breakout main event star if the Nexus won here. Say what you want about him, but Ryback (Skip Sheffield) would go on to prove that he could be a super over main event act if he were given a proper push. Gabriel and Slater could have been valuable midcard acts (respectfully, I don't think there was much in the others). There was a lot of potential there, but it all went away the minute Super Cena nearly singlehandedly put them down
I would argue that not every faction needs main eventers top to bottom. Wade had the potential to be a big star and the hierarchy of the group in terms of star power and charisma would have made him shine brighter as the big boss with his cronies running wild in the mid card and tag divisions if the booking was fleshed out. You could of potentially had an organic face turn from Gabriel or even Ryback transition into a world title feud with Barrett down the line.
Kane being the higher power I didn't know I needed that in my life
It’s 11:30 on the East Coast Bud! My insomnia can’t take this 😂
I feel like with the cena vs nexus situation, I agree with you that most parts were just whatever, but they really tried to position wade as a top guy. Maybe have the match come down to cena vs the whole nexus, he eliminates everyone and comes down to him vs wade, and wade wins, even if he cheats to win it still would have helped him.
So glad this is a new series
We're Animaniacs, we're zany to the max! We couldn't see John Cena, so who cares about The Nexus, WE'RE ANIMANIACS!
Nexus was okay, but Wade was the highlight, but don't think him beating Cena would have made him a super star. He got hurt numerous times and never really did much. Also if Nexus had been more successful, would Bray have become Bray? WWE can build it's own stars, but they need the indie guys. The indie guys are great.
The problem with punks collision was eventually no matter what him and the ellite would have to be able to get along. So that needed to be fixed first because that’s what caused the jack Perry stuff, because you had people on team punk and others on team ellite so then you had each party bad mouthing the other. so it was always gonna go wrong if punk and the ellite issue wasn’t fixed.
At the end of the day what needed to happen was have punk and ellite sit in a room with people there to make sure nothing crazy happens and just talk this thing out and come up with a way to work together. Because the ellite felt a way about punk because what they heard. So you needed punk to talk to them to let them know the colt stuff was not true. But most importantly Tk needed to be a boss and force both parties to fix this mess for the benefit of his company
Sometimes as a boss friendships have to go out the window and you need to do what’s right for your company.
The Eltie just flushed a great storyline and money away due to ego. They started it. Now look at Dynamite. When Punk left, about 200 000 fans left including me. Their ratings have dropped significantly since he left.
Animaniacs!!
backdrop looking great man
WRESTLEJUICE HOT TAKES should be a new playlist with the rate they are coming out, too many to keep up with.❤
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the ideas flow again
The guest host thing could’ve worked if it was two things, not every week and people that actually like/love wrestling.
Seth Green looked like he was having a ball. Freddie Prinze Jr. was a writer so he made sense as a guest host. Bob Barker I feel like wasn’t afraid to be a straight man to the wacky world of pro wrestling, but Jeremy Piven? SUMMERFEST. Imagine Adam Sandler the host of Raw? I feel like if we’re in an area with a lot of eligible guests hosts and it’s someone that likes wrestling it could work
Bad Idea because The Nexus weren't able to recover after that, plus John Cena regretted the decision.
Bad idea but more so in execution. If they had celebrities that knew more about the business and actually had some control it could have been cooler.
Good idea so long as it's not in WWE because they don't care about factions they didn't create.
Good idea and if it wasn't for Triple H people wouldn't care about AEW.
Bad idea because nobody except Steve ever said anything positive about it.
Bad idea when everyone from NJPW is already in AEW but good idea if Tony Khan starts doing it with other promotions like CMLL.
Good idea because it would have made sense and Christopher Daniels might have been a bigger star.
Both if you watch Adam Blampied's video about how WWE should have done it.
Good idea because even without CM Punk Collision is better than Rampage.
Good idea because it was unique.
Bad idea because nothing significant came out of it.
Both because most likely you wouldn't get mentioned in a video if you comment.
The McGruber Raw was good, that was probably the highlight from the guest host era for me.
Collision could have/can still be great if AEW just did their own _real_ roster split. don't call it a draft, call it a "lottery." you roll the drum around, pull out paper, and you just kayfabe who is going to Collision and who is staying on Dynamite.
Noting happens on Collision. When Punk was on it, it was must see TV. They should split the titles and wretlers. Have actual storylies that matter on it.
@@murray1978 that was kinda my point. even w/o Punk, they could have and should have done the roster split.
The American Badass Taker. Good or bad?
hot take but it's definitely my favorite version of Taker
Great
Like pinky in the brain
For the algorithms ❤.
I 1000% agree with this very controversial option. Have never been a nexus guy. I though it was so stupid when multiple time world champions edge and jericho were losing on tv to guys like heath slater.
Nxt is doing forbidden door better with tna
Poor Micheal Tarver. For ever forgotten 😢😂
Totally agree about the Nexus. I don't believe the group would have succeeded after SummerSlam even if they won. Barrett was the only one in the group with any charisma or character.
We are 2 episodes in so far and I’ve got 2 words for you… GOOD IDEA 😊
I'm glad there's others who like the spinner belt; that's the belt of my era of WWE!
Husky Harris, Ryback, Wade Barrett, Nexus roster was stacked
The ending of team Cena vs Nexus was Cena eliminating both Gabriel and Wade Barrett at a 1v2 disadvantage
Celebrity guest host bad, yes. Did it introduce me to my favorite show of all time, yes
Is that show Psych ?
The Brand Split, Good Or Bad
They left a lot of money on the table with the nexus vs cena fued
Completely disagree on the Nexus point, even ignoring the fact it really held back the career of a legit main eventer in wade barrett, (which wwe was really lacking at the time) wwe was at its rock bottom creatively in 2010 and Nexus was the one major story people were invested in but the loss at summerslam pretty much tanked the on screen product from that point until punk's pipebomb.
If NEXUS won The match Slater, Gabriel, Young mat not have had World titles but possible good Reigns with Midcard titles..
John Cena has a UA-cam channel?
Another all women PPV (Evolution), good idea or bad idea
guest host era was the onl thing that ever almost made me tap out as a fan. sent me to NOAH in japan.
In fairness if they'd paid any attention at all to Cain's ufc career they'd have known how signing him would go. That poor bastard couldn't stay healthy if you boy in the bubble'd his big ass...
While burying the Nexus was bad in the short term of trying to make new stars, like you said, once you break down the individual members, it really wasn't a huge loss.
Wade Barrett was given multiple chances, but he was made of glass, so anytime he had any genuine momentum, he kept getting hurt. Eventually, the writing was on the wall, and he is now a good commentator.
As cool as it was to see Justin Gabriel do his 450 Splash, he didn't really have anything else to offer and a we're now in an era where people are doing even bigger stunts across the globe, so even if they had stuck with him and placed him in the mid-card, he would have still been outshined by newer talent within a few years.
Heath Slater works best as a comedy act, and while you could do an underdog storyline with him, it was never going to go beyond that.
Ryback had his moments but decided to embrace his inner Ultimate Warrior and go Nucking Futs.
Husky Harris didn't find Bray Wyatt for at least a couple years down in FCW.
Curtis Axel wasn't even Curtis Axel yet and he still can't be anything more than Curtis Axel.
David Otunga was famous for who he was engaged to at the time and ended up getting some DV heat, which means he still would have been gone.
Darren Young had some success as a tag team guy but didn't really find himself til Japan.
Michael Tarver... Enough said.
I mean the biggest success story is obviously Daniel Bryan but it took him getting fired, rehired, broken away from Nexus and immediately establishing himself as a solo act and that wasn't the original plan, so he kind of lucked into that one.
The Nexus was always going to need to lose eventually, whether its Cena at Summerslam or Taker at Mania and what happens when they lose? Its five guys who wrestle a boring FCW style, Gabriel, and a not nearly finished Barrett. Whenever they took that loss, they were going to collapse because there was nothing there behind the strong booking. This is even taken as given that they wouldn't run out of steam well ahead of the mania plans which is not a given. The longer you draw out them being dominant the more you make everyone else look like a geek because they took a fall to David Otunga or Heath Slater.
I won't hear a negative word about the muppets lol
RoboCop/chucky in wcw
The nexus had a great first night but then after that just seemed like a bunch of dorks with shirts with the letter "N" that did a whole lot of nothing. I was glad to see Super Cena crush them at Summerslam. The best member of the Nexus was on team WWE in that match anyways.
Good idea or bad idea: wwe continuing the “over the edge” ppv after Owen hart’s tragic fall and sudden death?
I think Cain was arrested shortly after his debut
Anyone gonna tell Steve what has really gone down with Cain Velasquez since that Brock angle?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m on Cain’s side and kinda wish he’d finished that guy off. But there is a much larger reason he hasn’t been in WWE.
The legal stuff with Cain happened two years after he was released from WWE. He actually did some more AAA stuff after WWE.
If wrestlers can't bounce back from one major loss, I don't give a damn about them. If you cannot recover from a single loss, I have a lot of doubts about your talent.
Highly disagree with Steve with the Nexus take.
Animaniacs ❤
Thank you for saying this… god the only reason why people put the Nexus in such a pedestal is out of spite against John Cena and that’s it..
Let’s be real.. the Nexus was trash, the nexus as a faction wasn’t s**t aside from Wade Barrett, none of them were remotely credible and they are mid card wrestlers at best..
I thought the nexus was a trash bag faction, the only things that were cool about them were the debut and their theme song…
Can’t stand the Nexus then and the overhype today
Besides may be 2 or 3 hosts. Yes, that era was God awful for Raw.
It was NEVER a good idea.
steve the only person that thinks cena burying the nexus was good
wade Barrett Career should be way bigger but no Cena burying him and all the nexus and for what so he could keep his spot as the champ. dumd desion on vince part or cena
You can disagree with me if you want, but it felt like cenamania was running wild, brother
Team Air Boom was good but that was after the Nexus tho. (For Justin Gabriel)
I thought Air Boom was Kofi and Evan Bourne?
It's really simple, John Cena was known to bury talent that could potentially take his spot, yes, he tried to change the narrative towards the end of his career but he really couldn't do much because of Roman reigns.
Nexus were mostly jobbers, I don't get why people are still whining about them over 10 years later
Is the concept of giving a push to a jobber to make them... not a jobber that confusing?
@@wrequiem1727 whats your favorite David Otunga match?
@@paulcote8960 concept of reading comprehension is a tricky one too