Time to leave your job? - MPJ's Musings - Fun Fun Function
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Today, I’d like to talk a little bit about switching jobs, when it is time to do it and what criteria to look for when picking the next job.
My advice is to think about if the workplace you're considering will give you autonomy in your work, if you think that your role will make you feel relatedness to a larger whole, and finally define your next job, that you *can’t get*, and ask yourself this job will grow your competence in the direction of that.
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Now, I will go for the second option. I really like to work with new technologies and the company provides me a lot of autonomy in this part.
all the best for the new adventure
I can't believe in our field we struggle with things like ("OMG I have too many job offers pliz halp to choose" or "having fun and motivation : ten things you should know") when I see so many people struggling with "what other crappy job will I take to be able to eat nachos again in the car I am leaving in" or "will this day of work maul me for life".....We are so really privilegied, we should keep sight of that.
sort of NSFW :P
Watching this at work, used inspector to change the title ;)
Oh my god... So this is what NSFW means! After all these years I finaly get it
As someone who is in-between jobs at the moment looking for the next move, this is exactly the video I needed. Thanks for that! 🙏I love your videos. Your fresh take on the industry is really helping me stay motivated in learning computer programming.
Wow, what a useful video, thank you, MPJ! I especially loved the section about the next job. I am currently in a dilemma if I should switch jobs and this video has been very helpful in making the decision.
best advice I've ever heard when it comes to considering a new position, thanks for sharing
I feel like any developer wrestles with this dilemma at one point or the other. What an eloquent explanation to help us think about it in the right way!
MPJ, loved your videos for awhile. They've helped me out a lot. I'm about to go back to school for a Computer Science degree. I can't wait to quit my current job of customer service so I can go back to school, hah! Much love, man.
You don't know what a company or your team is really like until you start. That's a fact. That's why I like starting at one job, then taking a week off, starting the other job, and then seeing which job I like better :) Too many companies lie about what the job is really like. Fight the power! lol
MPJ, you're an incredible source of inspiration! Thanks for sharing your interesting thought :)
Deep thoughts! Very helpful. Thank you!
Hey, MPJ! my husband showed me this video because it talks about self-determination theory, which is my line of research. I work under the mentorship of Prof Richard Ryan and Prof Edward Deci. I enjoyed seeing how you translated the research into this video and that science is being applied and reaching different audiences! Relatedness, however, was defined incorrectly, according to SDT. In SDT, the basic need relatedness refers to feeling like you belong, feeling like others care for you (not really related to purpose). In the context of work, this means to feel like your supervisor and co-workers genuinely care about you and are interested in you and in your life. It is feeling connected with those around you.
+patipoca thanks for the correction!
Fantastic video taking a holistic view on one's career in their life.
I see just awesomeness here, thank you!
watching this on the job
Nice question and nice idea! Ask about what is the next job after the next job. Genius!
What you say is so correct!
You inspire me to make my own youtube series. Hope I can get to your level some day!
This helped a lot. I missed this video somehow before sending a personal message about a dilemma of mine. I feel stupid for that but this helped a lot. Many thanks.
Mattias, your pronunciation is so great. thank you from all foreign subscribers :)
This is another case where self-awareness is key. One has to really known oneself to know what kind of work situation would be most beneficial. And that's not going to be the same for everyone.
Good monday morning!!!!
Oh I'd love to have a job, then I'd have a whole lot of fun speculating about leaving or changing it :-D
Actually, this is what I did, I always wanted to go into the gaming industry not necessarily as a game developer but the industry itself as web developer so I learned a lot (C#, Unity, Gamedesign, C++) in my free time while working as a normal web dev in a web agency. At the moment where the search for a new company begun, my path was clear I want to open up the doors to the job after this one, so i now work as a webdeveloper building electron apps for the gaming industry thanks to my research and expirince. This is my first footstep into this area and I hope it's not the last.
MPJ could you do one episode only about hunting for first job? (how to prepare to interview, what should you master before going for first interview etc.)
Good Monday morning, my name is MPJ and you are watching Jun Jun Junction! 😀
Quote Gunter Dueck: "Mission Statements are what a company sees its weeknesses in and tries to improve it by printing them on coffee cups to always remind their employees in where to improve". So I usually get cups with statements like "we always want to serve our customer the best way.. blah blah". Unfortunatelly, there are no world improving companies like Tesla in my area :(
Thanks for the video, I've just been made redundant about a week or so ago and have been looking for a job, happy to say I've been overwhelmed with offers which I never thought I would have. One method I used when looking for a job is how hard is it going to be, I prefer to throw my self in the deep end and see how it goes, thankfully things have worked out so far. XD
When I look for my next job I'm definitely going to be thinking about the following one after that, such a obvious and good idea.
I have an idea for a musing (if you haven't covered it already, I can't remember) is loyalty.
Thanks I like you say about self determination and intrinsic motivation. It's like a checklist to value or enhance work style I am doing. Also idea about thinking in next job of next job to value current job is interesting, however it sounds as dating a girl thinking if I would proponse to her or I would married her... I know if you do that you are overthinking and overloading the situation... it is better contemplate her and know her and see good things we have now not in future I don't know... you know... perhaps I could apply the same when I find a job?
good Monday morning
You're great! 😂😂
I think marco management, can be just as bad as micro management. It is really hard to feel like you are having an impact when you are working in somewhat of a void. This might be in "relatedness".
It doesn’t hurt to search the company you’ve got the job offer in those reviews websites, like Glassdoor. You might find some useful feedback from former employees that can help you make the decision, or else be prepared for what you’ll be facing working for that company.
Always search the company for Job reviews. It could be a complete stress ugly nightmare you are walking into. Never leave a steady job for another without researching first. Thankfully sites like Glassdoor exist.
Hello, MPJ!
I've been working for 4 months already in a company which I thought would be a great start for my career. And now I found myself moving into JS stack but all the company can give me is working on some Wordpress projects. I think that's because of my age because I'm just 20 and the youngest person in the company is about 27 already. Also I guess I don't have enough knowledge to switch to JS completely but job takes most of my time and there's very little for self education. I would like to know your opinion about my situation and what would you do if you were me. Great episode as always! Thanks.
Back here again in 2020
Nice video, MPJ.
In your opinion, do you think the kind of business companies are (music, travel, e-commerce, etc.) is a factor for changing jobs?
Greetings from Brazil.
keep it real mpj.
I have quit my job again. It has been 8 months since I switched my job. Yep, I've got the salary boost, my development skills are sharpened, and I've built the product completely from scratch. However, I'm still not satisfied and becoming unhappy. I don't look for a new job before I tell my boss I quit this time. I'm planning moving towards another city and leaving the familiarities I've been used to. I don't have a clear plan and wanna spend some time having a vacation. Thx for your advice.
Hey, mpj, what is your opinion on dev contract houses (idk if you have them in your country) they often offer great support (forums, talks, free courses) and stability but you are limited in the jobs that you can choose from. Do you think it is worth it or should you be able to choose the job as freely as possible?
Hey JP, what about when you are a junior, who asked all those questions already and are stuck and can't land the next job? I was in a few roles using the same technology, I would up despising the community surrounding that technology and took intentional steps to shift my career to more back end javascript stuff, but those steps have alienated me during my interview process. I am running on almost 7 months while actively looking. I've got the interview process down, but noone selects me, even if my experience objectively fulfills the job descriptions. What do I do?
The right side of your mustache goes a bit lower than the left. I can't unsee that and it consume all my focus stamina XD
Truth trust and vision. The things i believe the organisation and or management should have
people who don't have job want a job, while people having a job wants to quit... 😂😂
I don't have a job and don't want one. I want to work for myself after school XD
I sort of disagree with the statement that there is a high demand for software engineers and that therefore we are in a lucky position.Yes, we see lots of job offers and if you're not completely incompetent it shouldn't one take long to find a position.BUT if the demand would be as high as it is said to be, we'd see a steep rise in salaries which is simply not the case. At least not in Europe.
Maybe this is because we are all settling for lower paying jobs, not because the demand isn't there. Most startups offer shares/certificates in exchange for a lower salary. Most people take this.
I know plenty "old" industry giants (insurance, finance, med) which pay nowhere near as much as Microsoft or Facebook and only slightly more than a startup. Sometimes even less.The issue probably is, that they're stuck in their old world and see IT only as a cost factor and not as a benefit.
Weird, in Seattle this is not the case(at least with my experience). One can get a 6 figure easily with 5+ experience. With less exp, you'll get less, but it's still good money. I'm currently in school in Canada (cheaper university than the US) but I would like to eventually work in the USA. I think though, software developers should demand more pay, my friend who is an amazing developer still sells himself short. I think, piece of shit, HR people take advantage of the fact that many developers lack social skills, so they offer developers less money to make themselves look good for saving the company money. Bullshit.
It's important to realize that of course salary will depend on where you live. In Silicon Valley you'll get several thousands for a monthly salary, but two thirds of that salary goes to rent yikes!
Helloooooooo fun fun function :)
by the way, does anybody know how to get a job in functional programming? especially when there are no functional jobs in your area and you are bound to your home? I'm doing functional Javascript as much as possible, but since there are so few teammates that understand it's beauty, it is hard to fight for it in your own team (which brings us back to the previous video about values
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hey mpj I have a question for you. Lately I'm finding myself unemployed and struggling a bit to find a job as a software developer. I was working before until February as a fullstack web developer and I have professional experience since 2012 over many languages such as JavaScript (jQuery, angularjs etc), c# and .net. I already have send my CV to various companies without much of success, so if you can I would like to hear from you any recommendations on how companies can peak you up since you say there is a need for developers (why I can't find a job?) 😲 thanks I have watched all of your videos!
Where are you based?
funfunfunction you mean country? I live in Chile south America
Marcelino, I live in Chile and I'm not from here, there's a lot of work here. Have you tried the site Get On Board? I found it's (currently) the best to find a job in out area.
Marcelino Jorge Romero are you on Linkedin? recruiters live on that platform, make sure your experience and skills are clear and up to date.
I'm an Isomorphic Fullstack engineer in Mexico. I could advise you to upgrade your skill sets with current technology and make a big scale project of your own to prove it.
Making a quick assumption and judgement that hopefully it'll help you out (Everything is subjective opinion):
I consider Jquery a "pseudo-skill", as knowing Javascript's concepts is all you need to use Jquery, by simple API & Doc reference.
AngularJS is fading out against Angular.io (Angular 2, 4+), which is a Major framework improvement, but will require you to know Typescript (and how to use it).
From your description, I'm guessing you don't know NodeJS, otherwise it should be your "presentation skill", which will make me wonder what you mean by "Fullstack".
C# is mostly related to embeddables (Subjective of course) and I've yet to see innovative startups use .Net as their core language, as I mostly associate it with Corporations.
I'd have a hard time imagining from your description how'd you make a Fullstack solution with the languages you listed. And since you don't mention novel frameworks as Angular.io, but simple APIs like Jquery... I wouldn't be sure if I'd trust you with a ReactJS, Ionic, React Native, Python or Mobile project. HOWEVER, if you had on your portfolio a Fullstack (from zero to hero) project of your own with one or more of this technologies, I'd assume that your skill listing is a preference, not your CV...
Hope my opinion helps you out!
My biggest problem is actually relatedness. I have not figure this out for myself yet..
For me relatedness is being part of solving business problems. I feel related when i went through a full cycle of going through the spec about a new feature/problem that needs to be solved, discussing spec with bussiness people, implementing the feature, deploying it and then collecting the "well done" feedback from the same people who wanted the feature implemented. The ability to work with business people and help them solve their problems is my #1 criteria of picking a new job.
Always search the company for reviews by other employees. Maybe it's a complete stress nightmare you are walking into from a steady job. Thankfully sites like Glassdoor exist. Always ask questions about the company and work culture during the interview. IF they hesitate then that is a immediate red flag.
1:26 : Provided we ignore the fact that the economy sustaining IT growth (among others) will collapse in the next decades because of ressources depletion.
Could you please do a node js tutorial series..
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? It doesn't really tell me what it is you need, since node.js is just V8 bundled with some IO libs. What is your background and what do you hope to accomplish with such a course?
Hey thanks for replying..You are right.What i meant was a series of tutorial videos which helps to understand express js or different useful frameworks,which helps to use java script as a middleware.I come from a java script background and I am a big fan of the way you present your content.
Specialize or generalize?
great episode mpj but your mustache is Asymmetric and the left side is shorter
his hair as well, maybe it was on purpose :D
Ali Beigi is actually async :v
Hi MPJ,
I'm a big fan of your videos! I heard you talking about work and self determination theory, and found it really interesting. I've been looking myself into it since then.
I don't mean to preach, but I thought I could recommend you a book: www.amazon.com/Spirits-Book-Allan-Kardec/dp/1612038980
Particularly in the law of work chapter, I think there are interesting related pieces of information. I hope you like it.
Inspired by Simon Sinek?
Why do I see the title and the description of this video in Russian language?
+Андрей Воробьёв UA-cam offers crowdsourced translations of titles, descriptions and subtitles. If someone has made one and you use UA-cam in Russian it will use that translation.
Great.
Damn, I wish web developers were so highly attractive on the job market where I live. Well, I mean they are, but only if you have 2+ years of professional experience.
ooooo I had this problem, my advice get them two years by any means!! even if you have to take a little bit of a pay cut as soon as you get those two years start looking for a job which pays a lot higher. Also learn something completely different to what you've been doing for those two years for example. If you've been doing PHP, learn full stack JavaScript if you do this with a portfolio it means you can pick other things up also.
My advice for your 3rd year job, look for these qualities, culture as in the people not the bean bags X'D, the product (I say product as supposed to products because I believe you can learn a lot from just working on one product for a year), guidance and also the freedom the fuck up and fix it yourself.
I hope that helps, If you need an incentive to work hard then you can be earning 30k in after the third year.
Noah Nobody i just left college 4 weeks ago with 3 month internship under my belt and i landed a job the other day, even if they say 2+ years or even 7, apply for them all, the job i got wanted 3+ but there usually "is room" for a new guy and the salary is adjusted accordingly. what you lack in experience you can make up for in new thinking, energy and passion.
People want you to already have experience before you get a job to get experience XD. I'm in school right now, but I've registered a company and all my personal projects are made under that label. By the time I am done school, I would have had 4 years experience. Obviously, telling an interviewer that your experience is from self employment is a bit more difficult but if you practice your interviewing skills, and you have actual projects you can show (bring your laptop into an interview and actually show them) they will be impressed. Even if you don't have years of experience, just create a portfolio and bring it in. You would already stand out as the only one to do this anyway. Remember, you're most likely smarter than the interviewer anyway, you just need the confidence to show them how competent you are.
I just want to eat. That's the reason.
lol, way to out Leo
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Last 2 videos: "Burnout due to value conflict"... "Time to leave your job?"...
Calling the next one: "how to start in a new company/project on the right foot"
The question of how to draw a line between one job and the next seems reasonably simple to me e.g "I'm a developer, I'd like my next job to be senior developer, therefore this job should provide the stepping stones towards seniority". That seems fairly clear-cut to me.
A far harder question, to which I still don't have the answers, is what my next job _ought_ to be if I'm to achieve my potential. It's not a question of what I'd _like_ but rather what a person in my position, with my experience, at my age, with my salary, with my current home-life (etc etc etc) _should_ be aiming for to get the most out of my career arc as a whole. E.g: "I'm currently a developer. Should I to be considering management, or should I doubling-down as a pure developer? Is now time to set up that consultancy?".
talk about quit school man, it makes more sense
I feel an overwhelming urge to say... first.