Ryzen 7000 Deep Dive: Motherboard Selection for Maximum FPS
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2023
- What is the best motherboard for Ryzen 7600, 7700, and 7800x3D? Overspending on your motherboard can lower your GPU budget and indirectly reduce your FPS.
Recommendations from the video:
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 9 (no WiFi)- $109
ASRock B650 LiveMixer (no WiFi) - $149
GIGABYTE B650M AORUS Elite AX - $159
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming - $336
The most important link: Comparison of motherboards written by Hardware Unboxed
www.techspot.com/review/2699-...
Video Clips used in the video:
- AMD B650 Roundup: 35 Motherboards Tested, Complete Buying Guide
• AMD B650 Roundup: 35 M...
- AM5 motherboard round up
• AM5 motherboard round up
- Simply about AMD A620, B650(E) and X670(E) motherboards. What do you pay for?
• Simply about AMD A620,...
- Best Ryzen Motherboard 2023 - Ryzen 7000 & 5000 CPUs (5600X, 7600X, 7800X3D & More)
• Best Ryzen Motherboard...
Other:
X670 vs B650: Which AMD AM5 Chipset Is Right for You?
www.velocitymicro.com/blog/x6... - Ігри
This might be helpful with a full list of motherboards including audio codecs docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit#gid=513674149. But besides 4080 it has something additional. On the bottom of the list you can switch between 670s and 650s.
Thank you.
thanks this helped me a lot! and props to techspot for all the hard work!
I always appreciate when people refer to videos from other channels and perspectives! Just some comments:
At 2:18, I could be wrong, but I think you misunderstood what PC Builder was saying. He was saying that the X670 boards provide useless features, which is in line with what you said afterwards. (The time you had his video paused at was also saying this: "X670 for AM5 $$ pointless features").
At 7:05, there was an 8% increase in the average 1% low FPS from the PCIe gen 3 SSD to the highest gen 4 one, and a 3% improvement from the gen 3 to the lowest gen 4 one. That definitely IS a difference, but it's way less of a difference than the examples with HDDs (obviously). The video you referenced was also testing a game that uses DirectStorage, which isn't available for most games right now. I saw you made another video investigating the impact on SSDs and FPS where you found in some cases posted by other youtubers that lower gen SSDs sometimes had (slightly) better FPS than the higher gen ones, and also speculated whether the random read/write performance of the drives may have more impact on gaming performance. I would think this is the correct path to go with investigating storage speed impact on gaming performance, but this definitely should be looked into more by others! So I don't think the general rule of higher gen = better performance is necessarily true, as you found.
On another note, have you looked at boot times for AM5 boards? I've seen videos / read online that the B650 boards have very slow boot times compared to AM4, but a lot of this was posted a couple of months ago so I'm not sure if there have been any improvements to the BIOS or if that would even impact boot times.
Thank you for the feedback.
Regarding the slow boot time on AM5 - it depends. Some motherboards still have slow boot time if you activate EXPO. My ASUS motherboard had that slow boot time but in my case I could turn off memory training on each boot and the boot time are fast again. However, for some people it's not an option as their PC may become unstable if they don't retrain memory on each boot. That slow boot is an issue if that happens to you. It feels extra bad as you have no signal on your monitor for like 30s and it feels like your PC doesn't post.
I've made a video on how to fix it. It works most of the time but not always.
ua-cam.com/video/c5cFCXzZeLQ/v-deo.html
Does Intel have these boot problems?
WOW I love this video. I like that YOU watched all the videos and then summarized and sifted through all the crap to find a decent one. I've been looking all day at vids and im lost but this helped. Though im suprised not ONE MSI made your review. They are good motherboards
Wow...that was actually a pretty usefull video!
Glad you think so!
Wonderful. I have always liked motherboards with the msot type of connectivity options. For me for the AM5 platforn ( generation ) is the : Asus ProArt X670-E Creator Wifi. The B650 counterpart to this board is probably a very good option as well but I like to have MotherBoards I can grow with into the future. Starting with the X470 generation up to the X670-E that we have now The ProArt series has better audio as well since it's designed to be used in " production " like Audio or Video. Yes the ProArt series isn't the cheapest but it's not the most expensive either. I feel is a very good midle cost option for a large number of users. Please take another look at this motherboard and all of it's features to understand why it's for a better term a ( sleeper ) option.
I tend to like this channel more and more. People are way too biased when it comes to hardware and it takes quick analyses like these to make them think and choose more logically instead of based on feelings or nostalgia.
Every generation u need to check every model for what it offers and what u need. Asrock sometimes great boards and sometimes less good ones. This one seems great.
And btw the nvme 4 fps advantage, I assume that only works for games with direct storage?
Good stuff, keep it up!
Thank you for such kind words. For a small channel like mine, it's almost like a handshake in person. I'm also grateful for the fantastic question. The topic of NVMe drive influencing FPS is so intriguing and under-researched. I'm already working on a video about this very topic. A good content idea is the best gift a UA-camr can get, so thank you for that as well. Spoiler alert: NVMe seems to benefit some more games than the two that support direct storage.
*Shakes hand* Im glad u made a video about this, cause I kept wondering about the answer. I really like your methodology and its very interesting to watch! Already watched so many of your vids! 😁
We need waaay more guys like u pinpointing the important factors when it comes to hardware.
You made it so easy to pick a MOBO! Going for the ASRock B650M-HDV with an external DAC, It's really not worth it to spend more on a motherboard for the better audio, when an external DAC completely fixes this issue and offers a better experience than onboard audio.
hey, if you got the motherboard, how is it? Any issues?
@@jamsyt5731 Thanks for asking! I got this motherboard and I'm using it right now with a Ryzen 7600 with stock cooler.
I haven't had any issues, posted first try, went to the bios and changed the RAM preset to AMD expo, and the two m.2 slots are great, the only downsides are the total of two RAM slots and no RGB connector, however, I have no RGB components and 32 GB of ram is plenty for me.
@@jamsyt5731 Some additional details would be that I got it for 109.99 from Amazon, and I used a software to get all the missing drivers and update the ones that are outdated. Since the price has changed, there may be some good alternatives for the price, mobo is now 30 dollars more expensive.
@@cc12yt Thanks for the insight! I got the gigabyte b650m ds3h. but had to return it because of the coil whine :(. I really don't care about the features, as long as it has decent vrms and no high pitched whining noises its a win for me. But the problem is, I just don't know which to pick, but since you've replied i'm going to go for this one or the ASRock B650M PRO RS.
@@jamsyt5731 The PRO RS is such a good mobo and super affordable, you won't regret buying that and is way better than mine, it's just a bummer that it's not an Amazon and I cannot buy it if I'm outside the US, otherwise I would 100% buy it as an upgrade whenever the 8800X3D releases
Thank you for all the informations.
For me wifi is a must have and after watching your video i looked up the price for the gigabyte b650e aorus elite ax and it is now expensive (215€/234 US Dollar).
Should i still go for the Aorus Elite ax or go for the MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi (220$) with (Audio Chip Realtek® ALC4080) and Wi FI 6e?
Hi. Double check if the other, cheaper motherboards really don’t have WiFi version in your region and how much such modules cost. Paying like $20 extra for m2 wifi module may still be worth it. From the two motherboards you mentioned I would get the MSI one but mostly due to personal preference as these motherboards are very similar.
Have Asus, but not again per harassing amount of emails, upgrading to - Live Mixer so far, was looking at Taichi Lite w/post code, upgraded audio and lower vrm temps, but leaning more to the Live for surplus usb connections and bang for buck pricing. any feedback? Gigabyte still considered
Depends of pricing. Live Mixer is an amazing motherboard at a fantastic price in US.
However, it’s very different in UK where my ASUS B650e-e costs almost the same as Asrock Live Mixer. It’s your decision now but both motherboards are really good in my opinion.
sup, I had one question, we know that ddr5 runs bad with quad channell, so... do you know if there might be any fix to that in the future or should I just buy a mb with only 2 memory slots?
MB with 2 slots tends to work better in general due to how they are connected. They usually can handle higher RAM speeds. More knowledgeable people than me made videos about this. I don’t think new CPUs even support quad channel. It’s dual channel even with 4 RAM sticks now.
i agree with you on the casing... it is really stupid to have a Full or ATX tower casing without any front faceplate for I/O expansion or a DVD-Rom... MATX or IATX may make more sense.
Great video very informative before I decide my mobo upgrade. Though the old chipsets could be just as good as newer chipsets considering spees. Tho It's about the design and how the thermals work under seveare circumstances like overclocking. Yes you don't have to overclock but it is something to take into consideration when buying a well design and quality motherboard.
It happened to my current build I jumped in didn't educate myself and bought a mobo with poor thermal quality. So I took it back and got one of the best motherboards on the market asus tuf gaming x760 for basically the same price.
Side note you wouldnt want a cheap motherboard paired with the top of the line architecture lol We build so upgrading is easier in the future to save $$$
Just like in my case my mobo only supports am4 chipset so im stuck with getting 5800x3d when the 7800x3d is only $50 more but itll cost me more cuz now i have to upgrade my motherboard. So now im in a situation is the 5800x3d worth the upgrade to save $50 or spend around $200 - $300 for a am5 upgrade but i guess thats my situation.
Last last note and my mobo is bad azz
I went with B50E PG riptide WIFI and I'm happy
im old school , grabbign a dedicated sound card for my next build after doing 2 computers with on board , i can say i miss the qulity of sound from a dedicated card , it jsut blows on baord out of the water even with the last 10 eyars of imporvments on on board sound.
b650e asus rog motherboard is what i wanted to but ive heard something about asus having some backlash of some sorts idk what happend, but i primarily want a atx motherboard
They messed up big time as their motherboards could fry CPUs. Now they are very sorry and actually offer good products and value in my opinion.
B650 pro rs vs msi b650 s wifi,on which one will 7800x3d run cooler? Is there much of a difference in vrms on the two?
All AM5 motherboards have sufficient VRM to run the 7800x3D. Only 16 core 7950x can be a challenge for for few boards. CPU temps shouldn't be affected by motherboard.
Asrock B650 pro rs is considered as one of the best value board on the market. Well, it depends what market, what prices and what you like. If you are just gaming then price is the most important difference.
@@HardwareAccent thanks alot!
Personally, I think the AsRock motherboards provide some of the best value for the price these days. However, I bought a bundle deal with a 7900X cpu and 64GB DDR5 6000 CL30 that came with an ASUS B650E-F Gaming Wifi for $550. Its a pretty nice board but more than what most people need. I would have gone with an AsRock board if it wasn't such a good deal.
The deals can be different in different part of the world. Your deal sounds really good.
@@HardwareAccentyeah it was at Microcenter which unfortunately is only in the US.
I got the MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI with amd ryzen 7 7700 cpu, Rx 7700 xt gpu, tforce 32gb 6000mhz cl30 ram, and kingston snv2s200g 2TB what can you say sir about my rig?
Looks like a well thought out build. Something that could be called a sweet spot. :)
How is the boot time for your rig? I'm curious since I'm looking to invest in an AM5 system but I've read the boot times are pretty slow.
My boot time is about the same on AM5 as it was on AM4. The slow boot time can happen sometimes but it's usually easy to fix. However in some rare exceptions you will have slow boot times that can't be fixed without making system unstable.
Here is a solution that works for most people: ua-cam.com/video/c5cFCXzZeLQ/v-deo.html
I love the fact that your consider the broken latch as an accidental upgrade of your mother board😂😂😂😂❤
What if you need two m.2, 3.0 and 4.0?
M.2 drives are backwards compatible so you can use your nvme gen3 in a gen 5.0 slot.
All current b650 motherboards offer at least two 4.0 slots if not more and/or faster.
B650 aorus elite ax ice can do 7400mhz with an fclk of 2133 while bclk is at 101.0-102.0
72000mhz ram cl34-42-42-84 1.4v
Ram is 140$ after tax and can be overclocked pretty high when cooled well.
My sticks stay at 33 degrees lol with tfaw on 22
The only thing about this board is, it limits you to 7400mhz = 3,751mhz on the data clock.
Keep in mind these are single rank Hynix A die.
The motherboard is 250 after tax if you can find it for 230$ like I did
Put the references of all visited links (showed) will help to find this information
You are right. I will do that later today.
Update: I've just added the links to the videos and, most importantly, to the graph comparing specs of all B650 motherboards. Thanks for pointing this out.
Why is it so expensive here in uk in comparison with 🇺🇸?
One reason is already included 20% VAT.
@@HardwareAccent the price difference in some MB is so high, I think I'm going for the Gigabyte X670 Elite . Its 240£ on amazon, I got tired researching but I think that's my best option.
I am stupid 😅 and I bought the Asus X670E Extreme because I just wanted it. Of course it is totally insane but I just liked the features and looks of it.
The dimm.2 modul is also pretty cool.
X670E-F or X670E-E?
Both are premium motherboards.
@@HardwareAccent ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme😅
What about asrock b650m pro rs wifi
If the price is good then it’s a good motherboard.
@@HardwareAccent tnx :)
@@HardwareAccentwhat would be a good price for it?
@@TismoGaming depends of your local market and how it compares to other motherboards. The price is excellent in US for example but nothing special in UK when ASUS sells their products at a big discount.
@@HardwareAccentWhich would be a better choice between asrock b650m pro rs wifi or gigabyte b650 gaming x ax(both similar price) ?
In addition you want to max out your motherboards capabilities i wouldnt put lower memory frequency in a motherboard that supports higher frequency thats just stupid to me.
Side note i consider the motherboard as the heart of your build and youd want a strong heart to build sround it
Max performance is great but bear in mind that means overclocked memory controller. EXPO stands for “EXtended Profiles for Overclocking”. Newest CPUs support up to 5200 and everything above is when overclocking memory controller. 6000MT/s is often considered as the sweet spot. More aggressive overclocking may not give expected performance boost while causing more stability problems and even lead to premature silicone degradation.
@@HardwareAccent Very true. That's what happened to the mobo I purchased 1st I watched a video after I got it and it had poor thermal capacitors.
@@HardwareAccent Wasn't trying to hate or nothing very educational formative video. But it all depends on thermal capisitors aswell
@@HardwareAccent Thanks for responding I love learning from other pc enthusiasts cuz you are right some older architecture is better then new for sure.
Great video but 4080 ACL is trash bro. 1200/1220 much better
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware 1220 is better. Luckily, I have no problems with my 4080. Otherwise I would buy a dedicated sound card. Once again - thanks for the heads up.
@@HardwareAccent just buy an external DAC. It's easier to isolate electrical noise that plagues almost every motherboard. Soundcards are worthless these days.