Installing a new roof...uncovered 2 gables with no lookouts. No wonder fascia was sagging. Is there a way to install lookouts without removing decking?
Hey Tim, it’s really too good to see residential carpenters like yourself wearing Hi viz and using fall protection at most stages. I was always intrigued as too why the Americans had a lack of care when working from heights. Tell me something…why is there such a love affair with Americans wearing denim jeans on warm days in all trades ???
@@Doodooheadguy-fishing, hey mate, yes I agree there’s one thing I’ve noticed over the many years and the fact that I’ve been fortunate to travel to America 6 times since 1988 to various states. The American union carpenters have been leading the way with safety and Hi Viz, but boy is it taking a long time trying to convince the residential trades a long time to understand … safety first. Our unions have been great with passing on that motto and it has let many people go back to their families at the end of the day.
@@ahickey I addressed that in the video. The length is set to the eaves, this way I'm in fall restraint. Statistically people don't fall off the gable end nor uphill.
Tim you seal the ridge w/Zip Tape. Doesn’t that negate the purpose of the vent blocks? Or was it just done to be dried in and the roofers slice the tape when they install the ridge vent?
You know, that in the time it takes to roll and stick down the zip tape you could have put down underlayment. I think in the future people will be using underlayment again over even zip decking. There are several benefits to having that layer on, between the asphalt shingle. 1) Prevents the asphalt shingle from sticking to the zip decking 2) The go to underlayment is now synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking, 3) Nail perforations into the decking allowing condensation that accumulates under the shingles on cooler moist days to accumulate into the decking at the nail, and prematurely deteriorate the decking. Clearly this is my perspective!
Can you provide a reference that supports your claim "synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking"? If not, then there's no merit to that claim. Additionally, "Nail perforations into the decking allowing condensation that accumulates under the shingles on cooler moist days to accumulate into the decking at the nail, and prematurely deteriorate the decking" would apply no matter what is used since the nails are long enough to stick out the underside of any sheathing. Incidentally, "cooler moist days" doesn't make sense, cool air holds less moisture, warm air holds more. Basically what your wrote doesn't make sense in real life.
@@AwesomeFramers So first off, Asphalt is a good conductor of heat transfer. Different materials have different heat transfer traits. So for example steel is very conductive of heat, but a PVC Pipe is resistant to heat transfer / Reflective. Such as the Commercial Roofing material PVC membrane, which is Reflective, But they came up with a better similar membrane... TPO, Which has more Polymers and makes for better Reflectivity. Manufacturers originally developed TPO as a higher-quality alternative to PVC. But PVC membrane still has better protection from oils, or chemicals which is a better membrane for restaurants... So there are Polymers in the Synthetic Underlayment, similar to the TPO membrane. I have seen the difference on customers homes after we use the synthetic underlayment, with the same Wind Turbine Ventilation. And a customer for example was able to raise the air conditioner temp 3 Degrees, and still had the same comfort because the attic was cooler. But in the over 15 years of trying different things, such as radiant barrier, different mixture of ventilations. The best underlayment I found is the GAF Tiger Paw... Which is thick and very expensive compared. But it has some Poly "Fuzzy" stuff, which obviously adds like a insulation, but is also made up with polymers. Do I have a Paper with Scientific Data, No. But I have Real Life Experiences in using different Underlayments, that I can Reproduce the Same Good Results. Hum, I think that in itself, is actually science. Anyway, Just adding a Medium Weight Synthetic Underlayment, works well too. I do Not like the cheap synthetic underlayments, such as the big box stores sells. So using the Synthetic Underlayment, the Rolls are wider and helps speed up the installation too. A medium weight roll will be a bigger diameter. I say that because that is one way to know the thickness, because they don't always give the thickness of the material, but you could also use the actual weight of the Roll. So the whole idea, is to slow down heat transfer into the attic and vent more hot air out of the attic. Which always works. On the Condensation Issue of moist air under the shingles, not just wind blown rain happens at dew point. And your shingles have air underneath, because the shingles are not bonded to the decking, you get air in under the shingles, and when this happens in dense moist air, such like rainy foggy cooler days, there are drops of moisture that are there under the shingles. And when the Nail breaks that skin on the zip decking, those drips of water can find there way into those nail areas. Is it a Major Problem, No not yet anyway. It is a potential that In My Opinion will prove to be a problem at some level, later down the road. But moisture does get underneath your shingles. It does not have to be from shingles blowing off or from some bad install. There are Benefits to putting down Synthetic Underlayment. This is my perspective! After roofing for 23 Years.
@@AwesomeFramers Asphalt is a good conductor of heat, and also then transfers that heat to the decking. So by putting Synthetic Underlayment there, puts a barrier that inhibits heat transfer. Look after roofing for 23 years, I have evidence. Listen, a steel pipe is very conductive to heat. But a PVC Pipe stays a lot cooler, because it is reflective of heat. So in Commercial Roofing, manufacturers started making a PVC membrane for Commercial Roofs. But they started making a Better and more Reflective Membrane... TPO Membrane, which is more reflective of heat transfer. And they made TPO more Reflective by adding Polymers. Synthetic Underlayments, have Polymers as well. Just by adding the Synthetic Underlayment (I use a Medium Weight Synthetic Underlayment), you slow down the heat coming into the attic! For example when I did on this one home the customer was able to Raise the thermostat 3 degrees, because the attic was cooler. As far as moisture under the shingles. That happens because the shingles are not bonded to the decking. Which means you have air under the shingles and when the roof is at or lower than dew point, densely moist air will condensate under the shingles, like when there are foggy, rainy days that are cooler. Do I have a Scientific Data Sheet, NO. But if I can Reproduce, a good outcome every time, then I actually think they call that Science! The Thickest Synthetic Underlayment is GAF Tiger Paw. But it is a lot more expensive compared. But a Medium Synthetic Underlayment will work too. But with this Underlayment Slowing Down Heat going into the attic, Now Increase the Hot Air coming Out of the Attic, and so the Ridge Vent is good, But here in Texas, I do when allowed, add Wind Turbines, or some other type of Static Attic Vent. You Do Excellent Work! I am Not trying to knock on you! Just giving something that might be beneficial. But after 23 Years, and paying attention to this detail, because I used to install Radiant Barrier in Homes, this understanding of how to slow down / reflect heat has been concern and interest and as a result. So this is my perspective! God Bless!
@@jameschupp2230 None of what you wrote above actually applies here or addressed my questions. Inappre you have concerns based on your experiences, but those are facts just questions. Zip has been used if roofs for 15years and you can't find eveid of what you're concerned about. It's not new.
@@AwesomeFramers Synthetic Underlayment is a Better Roof Install. Your Question: Can you provide a reference that supports your claim "synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking"? My Answer: Synthetic Underlayment Does Slow Down Heat Transfer into the Attic. That is why TPO is the Dominate Commercial Roofing Membrane. Because of it's Heat Reflective ability. A Live Test is Evidence. Don't be so stubborn. Evidence is Evidence. Enjoy your life and what you do! I am not asking you to do what I do... Just Offering you an Option. Just Look how things have changed in construction in the last 30 Years! The Learning / Gathering Info, Never Stops! Be at Peace! You Do Great Work!
Those are these truewerk.com/collections/workwear-pants-shorts-bibs/products/t1-werkpant-mens-white-painters-pants I do feel weird wearing them, but in the sun the day before they were quite cool
Had to laugh seeing that rope safety system. I roofed for a few years and the only "safety system" we used were toe boards, rubber hip mats, and 1ft wood boxes cut diagonally with 4 bottle openers nailed to the base to sit on steeper roofs. But then again 40+ years ago and the nanny state was nowhere near what it is today.
I wonder how much more it costs to hirer a builder who cares (like you) vs one who doesn’t? I’m guessing your structures cost far less over the lifespan of the building.
Hold on a second, this system is designed to replace roofing underlayment. We are sealed right off the bat. www.huberwood.com/zip-system/roof-sheathing In high winds your underlayment can blow off, we'd still be sealed.
@@AwesomeFramers Exactly! In the event that the roof and underlayment fail or get blown off you still have some protection. However, best practice is to still overlay ice and water shield at the eaves, rakes, valley and ridge followed up with a complete covering of underlayment and roofing material. The underlayments are cheap and fast to install and should never be skipped. You are using good materials and doing good work so don't cheap out on the easy stuff. Do it correctly. The roof protects hundreds of thousands of dollars beneath it! I truly beg to disagree with your logic. Not a troll here. Over 50 years of real experience being shared. Enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing...
@@danielstover3029 I&W isn't cheap, its pricey. No need for it in our climate zone, but you are certainly correct in other areas. We don't get ice damming nor do we get appreciable snow. Our job is to select the best products, at the best price and install them correctly for our customers without "overdesign" and driving the price up just for the feeling of better. We are data driven and make decisions accordingly. Thanks for the kind words! Its good we can disagree but still treat each other respectfully. If we ever meet, I'll buy you a beer or the drink of your choice.
The Cherry Picker mobile scaffold looks like the real MVP of this work. Ill definitely start using that.
amazing job greetings from the netherlands
Excelente trabajo 📐⚒️👏
Thank you so much Tim for your tips
Awesome video
Huber makes awesome products!
Installing a new roof...uncovered 2 gables with no lookouts. No wonder fascia was sagging.
Is there a way to install lookouts without removing decking?
Hey Tim, it’s really too good to see residential carpenters like yourself wearing Hi viz and using fall protection at most stages. I was always intrigued as too why the Americans had a lack of care when working from heights.
Tell me something…why is there such a love affair with Americans wearing denim jeans on warm days in all trades ???
Union carpenter in California, for many its a requirement.
@@Doodooheadguy-fishing, hey mate, yes I agree there’s one thing I’ve noticed over the many years and the fact that I’ve been fortunate to travel to America 6 times since 1988 to various states. The American union carpenters have been leading the way with safety and Hi Viz, but boy is it taking a long time trying to convince the residential trades a long time to understand … safety first.
Our unions have been great with passing on that motto and it has let many people go back to their families at the end of the day.
@@ahickey I addressed that in the video. The length is set to the eaves, this way I'm in fall restraint. Statistically people don't fall off the gable end nor uphill.
I have no idea why they wear denim at all. There are much better choices.
@@AwesomeFramers for myself, I want the toughest bang for buck leg protection I can het
Will that Zip tape work over CDX plywood seams, the price of Zip panels is getting outrageous compared to OSB and plywood sheathing.
Tim you seal the ridge w/Zip Tape. Doesn’t that negate the purpose of the vent blocks? Or was it just done to be dried in and the roofers slice the tape when they install the ridge vent?
@suspicionofdeceit Thanks I didn’t even pick that up
Can you use that hammer holster with any set of bags?
Is the gun you’re using a Max coil nailer?
thumb's up just for the Zoolander reference
🤣🤣
Lol I just found out the zip roller puts little "Z's" into the tape I assume for zip to check for warranty reasons
@@2010stoof it's a way for us on site to do QA 👍
Hey Tim, what's your Roofing Nailer of choice?
I don't have one, I don't roof 🙂
@@AwesomeFramers Just curious as to what gun you're using.
@@scotttalkowski691 in this video?www.toolbarn.com/products/maxtools-hn90f
You know, that in the time it takes to roll and stick down the zip tape you could have put down underlayment.
I think in the future people will be using underlayment again over even zip decking. There are several benefits to having that layer on, between the asphalt shingle. 1) Prevents the asphalt shingle from sticking to the zip decking 2) The go to underlayment is now synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking, 3) Nail perforations into the decking allowing condensation that accumulates under the shingles on cooler moist days to accumulate into the decking at the nail, and prematurely deteriorate the decking. Clearly this is my perspective!
Can you provide a reference that supports your claim "synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking"? If not, then there's no merit to that claim.
Additionally, "Nail perforations into the decking allowing condensation that accumulates under the shingles on cooler moist days to accumulate into the decking at the nail, and prematurely deteriorate the decking" would apply no matter what is used since the nails are long enough to stick out the underside of any sheathing. Incidentally, "cooler moist days" doesn't make sense, cool air holds less moisture, warm air holds more.
Basically what your wrote doesn't make sense in real life.
@@AwesomeFramers So first off, Asphalt is a good conductor of heat transfer. Different materials have different heat transfer traits. So for example steel is very conductive of heat, but a PVC Pipe is resistant to heat transfer / Reflective. Such as the Commercial Roofing material PVC membrane, which is Reflective, But they came up with a better similar membrane... TPO, Which has more Polymers and makes for better Reflectivity. Manufacturers originally developed TPO as a higher-quality alternative to PVC.
But PVC membrane still has better protection from oils, or chemicals which is a better membrane for restaurants...
So there are Polymers in the Synthetic Underlayment, similar to the TPO membrane.
I have seen the difference on customers homes after we use the synthetic underlayment, with the same Wind Turbine Ventilation. And a customer for example was able to raise the air conditioner temp 3 Degrees, and still had the same comfort because the attic was cooler.
But in the over 15 years of trying different things, such as radiant barrier, different mixture of ventilations. The best underlayment I found is the GAF Tiger Paw... Which is thick and very expensive compared. But it has some Poly "Fuzzy" stuff, which obviously adds like a insulation, but is also made up with polymers.
Do I have a Paper with Scientific Data, No.
But I have Real Life Experiences in using different Underlayments, that I can Reproduce the Same Good Results. Hum, I think that in itself, is actually science.
Anyway, Just adding a Medium Weight Synthetic Underlayment, works well too. I do Not like the cheap synthetic underlayments, such as the big box stores sells.
So using the Synthetic Underlayment, the Rolls are wider and helps speed up the installation too.
A medium weight roll will be a bigger diameter. I say that because that is one way to know the thickness, because they don't always give the thickness of the material, but you could also use the actual weight of the Roll.
So the whole idea, is to slow down heat transfer into the attic and vent more hot air out of the attic.
Which always works.
On the Condensation Issue of moist air under the shingles, not just wind blown rain happens at dew point.
And your shingles have air underneath, because the shingles are not bonded to the decking, you get air in under the shingles, and when this happens in dense moist air, such like rainy foggy cooler days, there are drops of moisture that are there under the shingles.
And when the Nail breaks that skin on the zip decking, those drips of water can find there way into those nail areas. Is it a Major Problem, No not yet anyway. It is a potential that In My Opinion will prove to be a problem at some level, later down the road.
But moisture does get underneath your shingles. It does not have to be from shingles blowing off or from some bad install.
There are Benefits to putting down Synthetic Underlayment.
This is my perspective! After roofing for 23 Years.
@@AwesomeFramers Asphalt is a good conductor of heat, and also then transfers that heat to the decking.
So by putting Synthetic Underlayment there, puts a barrier that inhibits heat transfer.
Look after roofing for 23 years, I have evidence.
Listen, a steel pipe is very conductive to heat.
But a PVC Pipe stays a lot cooler, because it is reflective of heat.
So in Commercial Roofing, manufacturers started making a PVC membrane for Commercial Roofs.
But they started making a Better and more Reflective Membrane... TPO Membrane, which is more reflective of heat transfer.
And they made TPO more Reflective by adding Polymers.
Synthetic Underlayments, have Polymers as well.
Just by adding the Synthetic Underlayment (I use a Medium Weight Synthetic Underlayment), you slow down the heat coming into the attic!
For example when I did on this one home the customer was able to Raise the thermostat 3 degrees, because the attic was cooler.
As far as moisture under the shingles. That happens because the shingles are not bonded to the decking.
Which means you have air under the shingles and when the roof is at or lower than dew point, densely moist air will condensate under the shingles, like when there are foggy, rainy days that are cooler.
Do I have a Scientific Data Sheet, NO.
But if I can Reproduce, a good outcome every time, then I actually think they call that Science!
The Thickest Synthetic Underlayment is GAF Tiger Paw. But it is a lot more expensive compared.
But a Medium Synthetic Underlayment will work too.
But with this Underlayment Slowing Down Heat going into the attic, Now Increase the Hot Air coming Out of the Attic, and so the Ridge Vent is good, But here in Texas, I do when allowed, add Wind Turbines, or some other type of Static Attic Vent.
You Do Excellent Work! I am Not trying to knock on you! Just giving something that might be beneficial.
But after 23 Years, and paying attention to this detail, because I used to install Radiant Barrier in Homes, this understanding of how to slow down / reflect heat has been concern and interest and as a result.
So this is my perspective!
God Bless!
@@jameschupp2230 None of what you wrote above actually applies here or addressed my questions.
Inappre you have concerns based on your experiences, but those are facts just questions. Zip has been used if roofs for 15years and you can't find eveid of what you're concerned about. It's not new.
@@AwesomeFramers Synthetic Underlayment is a Better Roof Install.
Your Question:
Can you provide a reference that supports your claim "synthetic which adds a "thermal break" and helps slow down heat transfer into the decking"?
My Answer:
Synthetic Underlayment Does Slow Down Heat Transfer into the Attic.
That is why TPO is the Dominate Commercial Roofing Membrane. Because of it's Heat Reflective ability.
A Live Test is Evidence. Don't be so stubborn. Evidence is Evidence.
Enjoy your life and what you do!
I am not asking you to do what I do... Just Offering you an Option.
Just Look how things have changed in construction in the last 30 Years!
The Learning / Gathering Info, Never Stops!
Be at Peace! You Do Great Work!
Why aren't the cut edges of zip sheathing painted to seal ?
Did Huber supply the painters pants.😂😂😂
Those are these truewerk.com/collections/workwear-pants-shorts-bibs/products/t1-werkpant-mens-white-painters-pants
I do feel weird wearing them, but in the sun the day before they were quite cool
Exactly we learned not to trip.
Had to laugh seeing that rope safety system. I roofed for a few years and the only "safety system" we used were toe boards, rubber hip mats, and 1ft wood boxes cut diagonally with 4 bottle openers nailed to the base to sit on steeper roofs. But then again 40+ years ago and the nanny state was nowhere near what it is today.
For rope adjustment invest into a petzl gri gri. You'll thank me later, I promise
Roll, Roll, Roll the seams
Do not be a hack.
Framers who don't roll their seams
Will build a house that's Whack!
I wonder how much more it costs to hirer a builder who cares (like you) vs one who doesn’t? I’m guessing your structures cost far less over the lifespan of the building.
Thanks! Most people don't consider life cycle cost analysis, nor installed cost. They just look at the initial sticker price.
Doesn't look . It hot here
Really, use a lot of quality products combined with talented installation and then cheap out on inexpensive roofing underlayment? Ridiculous... 👎👎👎👎👎
Hold on a second, this system is designed to replace roofing underlayment. We are sealed right off the bat. www.huberwood.com/zip-system/roof-sheathing
In high winds your underlayment can blow off, we'd still be sealed.
@@AwesomeFramers Exactly! In the event that the roof and underlayment fail or get blown off you still have some protection. However, best practice is to still overlay ice and water shield at the eaves, rakes, valley and ridge followed up with a complete covering of underlayment and roofing material. The underlayments are cheap and fast to install and should never be skipped. You are using good materials and doing good work so don't cheap out on the easy stuff. Do it correctly. The roof protects hundreds of thousands of dollars beneath it! I truly beg to disagree with your logic. Not a troll here. Over 50 years of real experience being shared. Enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing...
@@danielstover3029 I&W isn't cheap, its pricey. No need for it in our climate zone, but you are certainly correct in other areas. We don't get ice damming nor do we get appreciable snow. Our job is to select the best products, at the best price and install them correctly for our customers without "overdesign" and driving the price up just for the feeling of better. We are data driven and make decisions accordingly.
Thanks for the kind words! Its good we can disagree but still treat each other respectfully. If we ever meet, I'll buy you a beer or the drink of your choice.